Syndicated columnist Mackenzie falsely claimed Obama was educated in a "madrassa school"
SUMMARY: In a column posted on Townhall.com, Ross Mackenzie wrote that Sen. Barack Obama "must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his madrassa school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa." In fact, the claim that Obama was educated in a "madrassa" has been thoroughly debunked by numerous news organizations.
In a January 10 column posted on the conservative website Townhall.com, nationally syndicated columnist Ross Mackenzie wrote that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) "must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his madrassa school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa." In fact, the false claim that Obama was educated in a "madrassa" -- which the conservative website InsightMag.com first reported in January 2007 -- has been thoroughly debunked by numerous news organizations.
For example, CNN reported on January 23, 2007: "Allegations that Sen. Barack Obama was educated in a radical Muslim school known as a 'madrassa' are not accurate," citing a report by CNN correspondent John Vause, who visited the school in question. Vause stated in his January 22, 2007, report that he's "been to madrassas in Pakistan, and this school is nothing like that." The Associated Press reported on January 24, 2007, that "[i]nterviews by The Associated Press at the elementary school in Jakarta found that it's a public and secular institution that has been open to students of all faiths since before the White House hopeful attended in the late 1960s." And ABC News reported on January 25, 2007, that the school was a "normal government public school without even a hint of the extremist elements reported by various conservative news outlets."
Additionally, contrary to Mackenzie's claim that Obama has been "offering" his "madrassa school years" as evidence of his "experience in foreign policy," Obama has not said that he was educated in a "madrassa school" -- again, the assertion that he was is false -- and he has affirmatively denied it when asked. A statement released by Obama's Senate office on January 23, 2007, stated: "[T]he Indonesian school Obama attended in Jakarta is a public school that is not and never has been a Madrassa."
Mackenzie is a former editorial page editor at the Richmond Times-Dispatch in Virginia, now retired. His column is nationally syndicated by Tribune Media Services and appears on Sundays in the Times-Dispatch.
From Mackenzie's January 10 column:
Obama must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his madrassa school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa. The very-nice Sen. Obama also needs to grow beyond enlisting recruits such as the very-nice Oprah Winfrey, who says nonsensical things on his behalf, such as: "You can't be fooled by this experience question because you know it's not the amount of time you spend with your child, it's the quality of that time."
Obama must grow beyond statements such as this, too:
"What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income -- to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to -- a dumb war."
Obama and Clinton might productively style themselves after John McCain -- a certifiable grown-up. He believes global warming is less important right now, and less susceptible to human remedy, than global terror -- and boasts abundant experience in terrorism and national security: "I know how to handle the issues. I've been there."

















And I'm go*d*dam*ned tired of this lie coming back again and again. Can't someone just sue these lying jerks already?
These sleezeball 'reporters' are getting so desperate to make their 'kingpins' happy that they will keep bringing up thoroughly debunked crap like this and act like its some new revelation.....
Guess Bush was right when he said that you must keep repeating the propaganda in order for it to sink in, least the truth get in the way!
If she simply is using the word "madrassa" to mean school, why did she put the word school after it? Does that make sense to do?
If she had simply said he went to a madrassa and not a madrassa school, I might be able to see your point.
Your explanation makes exactly no sense. You are honestly trying to claim that Townhall.com and its editors are being duplicative and saying, with your interpretation added,
"Obama must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his school school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa."
So, which is it, SW: 1) The editors and writers at townhall.com are so idiotic that they find this to be a good sentence grammatically or 2) An attempt by people who like to parse words, speak in code and smear, using the word "madrassa" as an adjective?
Which is it? Your explanation of saying that if he didn't go to madrassa he didn't go to school falls apart rather quickly, doesn't it?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/madrassah
ma·dras·sah also ma·dra·sa (m-dräs) or me·dre·se (-drs)
n. Islam
A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah
Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, madrasa pl. madāris) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion). It has been loaned into various other languages. It is variously transliterated as madrasah, madarasaa, medresa, madrassa, etc. In common English usage the word "madrasah" has been taken to refer to an Islamic religious school.[1]
Now since the INSANE Weinerdog was speaking ENGLISH not Arabic. I would say the common english usage is the one that is relevant to YES it is misinformation. He could have said school in Islamic Indonesia. He chose to say madrassa BECAUSE of the connatation it has in English or he would have said a school in Indonesia. So basically YOU are wrong.
merrien-webster states: ": a Muslim school, college, or university that is often part of a mosque "
To use the word 'radical' would purely be inflection by whoever says it that way. Similar to if he went to a Christian school and then assume he is being taught 'radical' Christianity, don't you think?
If you buy the explanation that the author used the word simply to mean school, why does he have a sentence that conatins the phrase "school school" do you think its an adjective or a noun in the article?
Wiki because it came up next when I googled.
Well, Obama went to the school about 40 years ago, right? Do we really know what was taught? I mean, can we say with 'absolute certainty' what was being taught 40 years ago in that school?
The school administrators who were interviewed certainly didn't think it was a radical school 40 years ago. You're right, we can't be sure what was taught there when Obama was in school. But if you think that his education 40 years ago in a school like this is an issue, do you believe that McCain and the Republicans who were educated in segregated schools could have been taught racism? After all, there were no minorities in their schools and we don't know what was taught in them do we?
IF THERE IS NO IMPLICATION, WHY USE THE ARABIC WORD? WHY DON'T THEY USE 'ESCUELA' , 'SCHULE', OR JUST PLAIN 'SCHOOL'?
YOU ARE IGNORANT.
You want to play that game......
Lets presume for a moment that what you say is correct and Mackenzie didn't mean he was schooled in 'Muslim thinking' at a madrassa but simply at a madrassa (that, as you say, simply means 'school' in Arabic).....
Ok then, with that said..... Since in Arabic the word for God is Allah, Allah must simply mean only God, just in another language and not some other form of or a lesser God, as Christians like to claim! Which has been part of the problem between Muslims and Christians for over 2000 years.
This is the problem here, you may be correct or I may be correct but regardless, when a 'reporter' reports a story the way he did, it comes off as: Barack Obama was schooled in a madrassa that taught him the ways of Islam and not simply that he went to an Arabic school!
The average Joe watching likely won't be able to put 2+2 together, mainly because, it wasn't spoken the way you are attempting to defend it.....
You may have pointed that out in here but this guys job WAS to point out that difference on TV, that, we should all be able to agree on, was something he should have done!
Unless of course his intention was to spew debunked propaganda intentionally as fact and your attempt to defend is weak indeed!
Don't ya agree?
In the English-speaking Western world, the word Madrasah has come increasingly to signify radical Quranic schools connected to Islamist movements, although this — as is made clear above — is far from the meaning of the word. The word madrasah literally means "school" and does not imply a political or even religious affiliation. To say islamic school in arabic the term madrasa islamia is used. For religious school, the term madrasa deeneya is used. A private school is called madrasa ghasa.
Nevertheless, the Yale Center for the Study of Globalization investigated bias in United States newspaper coverage of Pakistan since the September 11, 2001 attacks, and found the term to carry a loaded political meaning:
"When articles mentioned 'madrassas,' readers were led to infer that all schools so-named are anti-American, anti-Western, pro-terrorist centers having less to do with teaching basic literacy and more to do with political indoctrination."
Additionally, the term has also been used this way by various American public figures, including Newt Gingrich, Donald Rumsfeld, and Colin Powell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madrasah
"In the English-speaking Western world, the word "Madrasah" has come increasingly to signify radical Quranic schools connected to Islamist movements, although this — as is made clear above — is far from the only meaning of the word. The word madrasah literally means "school" and does not imply a political or even religious affiliation."
So, by true definition of the word, there is no lying going on here. Obama did, in FACT, go to a madrassa.
"must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his madrassa school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa."
They really meant;
"must grow beyond offering the sum of his experience in foreign policy as his school school years in Indonesia and a visit or two to his grandmother in Africa." ?
Would they report he attended an "ecole" if he was educated in a french speaking country? I'm guessing not. The sole reason for using "madrassa" is to scare the bed wetters.
He got one - partially - by hazarding that the President of Taiwan was "Lee" (the correct answer would be Lee Teng-hui).
HOW'S THAT FOR FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE!
What do YOU know about educated people, Solonswine?
Obama offering his childhood experiences as examples of his foreign policy experience? Um, can't remember that happening.
Recruiting Oprah into his campaign a dumb move? Yeah, why would anyone want one of the most seriously influential celebrities on their side?
Calling Iraq a dumb war being a bad thing to say? The evidence is pretty much in on that one, now we just need to figure out how to fix this tragic and stupid mistake.
How nice and refreshing to have a columnist that wants to talk about hard issues. Oh wait, that didn't happen either.
Using your fuzzy logic, it can be said that I got my education in a shul, the Yiddish term for school – even though I went to parochial school. Anyone who heard this would then assume I had a Jewish education.
This is EXACTLY what Mackenzie, and now YOU, are trying to do. You should BOTH be ashamed of yourselves!
After all, there is no conontation beyond madrassa meaning school for the fearful masses who flock to townhall.com is there? (sarcasm)
ma·dra·sah also ma·dra·sa or ma·dras·sah (mə-drä'sə) Pronunciation Key
n. Islam A building or group of buildings used for teaching Islamic theology and religious law, typically including a mosque.
From the morons at Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) -
ma·dra·sah [muh-dras-uh] Pronunciation Key
–noun Islam. a school or college, esp. a school attached to a mosque where young men study theology.
Sorry, Obama didn't go to a religious muslim school.
fact /fækt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[fakt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth:
What's important is how Americans understand the word.
Consequently I stand by two dictionaries as sources.
And that's the fakts.
I'll break this down in two parts...
1st From Wikipedia for "Madrasah"
Ulugh Beg Madrasa, Samarkand, ca. 1912Madrasah (Arabic: مدرسة, madrasa pl. madāris) is the Arabic word for any type of school, secular or religious (of any religion). It has been loaned into various other languages. It is variously transliterated as madrasah, madarasaa, medresa, madrassa, etc. In common English usage the word "madrasah" has been taken to refer to an Islamic religious school.[1]
2ndFrom Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary... shul
Main Entry: shul
Pronunciation: \ˈshu̇l\
Function: noun
Etymology: Yiddish, school, synagogue, from Middle High German schuol school
Date: 1771
: synagogue
So again using Mackenzie's and your logic relating to word origins or meanings in other languages, it could very well be said that I (or even Obama) went to a shul - the exact same logic that your using to say that Obama went to a madrassa.
However we don't speak Yiddish or Arabic in the United States - so both examples are just plain WRONG. I didn't go to a synagogue and Obama didn't go to a madrassa - PERIOD.
Am I missing something or do you just not like the fact that term "madrassa school" is being used - (The term you find to be redundant nouns)?. That's a quote from Mackenzie, not me. If you'd open your super-intelligent brain here, maybe you'd realize that in the term "madrassa school" the word "madrassa" is being used as an adjective to further describe the type of school (that it WASN'T).
I'm listening....
There are no political or religious implications attached to the literal translation of the word. It simply translates to "school".
Those who fail to understand this very simple concept are the ones who object to it's use. Those who DO understand it are not affected.
He used the term “madrassa school”, just as MMFA quotes in the story title – and he did this specifically to imply that Obama went to an “Islamic religious school” as is the meaning for the common English usage for the word "madrasah". This is a lie – he gets busted by MMFA – and you lose your argument based on the big picture. You can fire back anything you want, but the facts are the facts – and I won’t waste any more of my time trying to get you to see the light.