NY Times falsely suggested that Hagel and Clinton took different votes on Iraq war resolution
SUMMARY: In an article on Sen. Hillary Clinton's vote on the 2002 resolution authorizing the use of force against Iraq, The New York Times' Eric Lipton suggested that Sen. Chuck Hagel and Clinton took different positions on the resolution. But Hagel, like Clinton, voted for the resolution -- a fact Lipton did not report.
In a January 14 New York Times article, reporter Eric Lipton suggested that Sens. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) and Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) took different positions on the 2002 resolution that authorized the use of force against Iraq. But, like Clinton, Hagel voted for the resolution (H.J. Res. 114), a fact nowhere to be found in Lipton's article.
Lipton reported that Sen. Clinton and former President Bill Clinton "appear[ed] to misconstrue the facts" in pointing to Hagel's assertion that his support for the resolution was, in Hillary Clinton's words, "not a vote for war" but rather "a vote to use the threat of force against Saddam Hussein, who never did anything without being made to do so." As purported evidence for the claim that the Clintons misconstrued the facts, the Times article suggested that the Clintons' assertion that Hagel "helped to draft the resolution" was contradicted by the fact that the version of the bill that Hagel helped write -- which "authorized only to secure the destruction of Iraq's unconventional weapons, not to enforce 'all relevant' United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq" -- was not the version that ultimately passed and that Hillary Clinton voted for. Instead, a "slightly less restrictive" authorization bill passed, according to the Times. Yet at no point in the article did the Times note that, like Clinton, Hagel voted for the final version of the resolution, or that he praised the sponsors of the Senate version of the bill (which is "substantially similar" to the House version that passed) for reaching "a far more responsible and accountable document than" the version of the bill the White House was pushing.
The New York Times reported:
In October 2002, Mr. Hagel had in fact been working with Senators Joseph R. Biden Jr., Democrat of Delaware, and Richard G. Lugar, Republican of Indiana, on drafting a resolution that would have authorized the war.
But while those negotiations were under way, to the disappointment of some Congressional Democrats, the Bush administration circumvented their effort and reached a separate agreement with Representative Richard A. Gephardt, Democrat of Missouri, then the House minority leader.
That agreement resulted in a bill, sponsored in the Senate by Senator Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut, now an independent, which was slightly less restrictive than the proposal that Mr. Hagel had been helping to develop.
In the original proposal Mr. Hagel had backed, force was authorized only to secure the destruction of Iraq's unconventional weapons, not to enforce "all relevant" United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, which was the language in the version that ultimately passed.
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In an interview published in GQ magazine in January 2007, Mr. Hagel said that he helped shape the course of the debate -- even if it was not his resolution that ultimately passed. He said he helped convince the White House to narrow its request for authorization to go to war just to Iraq. Initially, the administration wanted Congress to approve a broad measure that would not have necessarily specified Iraq as the only target, potentially allowing action elsewhere in the Middle East.
Yet, in an October 9, 2002, floor speech, Hagel praised the compromise bill sponsored in the Senate by Lieberman -- S.J.Res. 46 -- that was referenced by the Times.
From Hagel's October 9 floor speech:
The United Nations, with American leadership, must act decisively to end Saddam Hussein's decade-long violations of U.N. Security Council resolutions.
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S.J. Res. 46, sponsored by Senators LIEBERMAN, WARNER, MCCAIN, and BAYH, is a far more responsible and accountable document than the one we started with 3 weeks ago. I congratulate my colleagues, especially Senators LUGAR, BIDEN, and DASCHLE, and the four sponsors of this resolution, for their efforts and leadership in getting it to this point.
S.J. Res. 46 narrows the authorization for the use of force to all relevant U.N. resolutions regarding Iraq, and to defending our national interests against the threats posed by Iraq. It includes support for U.S. diplomatic efforts at the U.N.; a requirement that, before taking action, the President formally determines that diplomatic or other peaceful means will not be adequate in meeting our objectives; reference to the war powers resolution requirements; and periodic reports to Congress that include those actions described in the section of the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 regarding assistance and support for Iraq upon replacement of Saddam Hussein. This resolution recognizes Congress as a coequal partner in dealing with the threat from Saddam Hussein's Iraq.
















And the resolution Hagel proposed was altered by Bush to include the resolution "to enforce "all relevant" United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq, which was the language in the version that ultimately passed."
I need a drink...
I suppose it's too much to wish for when I hope that we've learned our lesson when it comes to declaring war.
Congress needs to vote on clear declarations, not this 'authorization' garbage that's contingent on a war-mongering president's interest, or lack thereof, in diplomacy and physical evidence.
So here we are, mired in a middle-east bloodbath and everyone's pointing fingers. Have we learned our lesson?
(MMFA, thanks for giving us back the text tools!)
What good is all this revisiting and revisionism doing us anyway? Yes I did, no I didn't, I meant this, I meant that........enough.
Let's figure out the smartest and least damaging course to proceed to begin to extract ourselves from this war, and we need to be hearing that from all the candidates - not what they did five years ago, regardless of what that was.
How they voted and what they may or may not have learned in the meantime most definitely matters.
If you could stick to your own opinions and leave the rest of us to ours, maybe that would work for you.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/15/huckabee-amend-the-constitution-to-gods-standards/#comments
You call it word parsing when you get caught in another lie, I love it.
On a side note, it is fun to watch though...
He misstated my position twice > 1)"what they may or may not have learned in the meantime" - I never said that at all......and then 2) > "You dismissed the revisiting of what they did five years ago as irrelevant" - I never said that either and have already explained it.
If what they did five years ago is relevant, then why shouldn't we be hearing about it?
I have explained the difference, you just don't like it, too bad.
In any event, there's no basis to call that a "lie". That's a perfectly defensible comment.
How they voted five years ago is as relevant as any other vote of theirs, but it is far more critical to move beyond it, as battling it now does not move us forward, or accomplish anything beyond scoring political points. To say I said it was irrelevant was a gross misrepresentation because it's like saying I could care less how they voted, and that is ridiculous. Everybody cares, but there is a time to get past it and concentrate on the "now", not then.
If this isn't satisfying to you, or Clams, then so be it.
I just don't see how if something "matters" why you should be making efforts to move past it. But if you want to create an impression of yourself where you think that makes sense, go for it.
I think ya'll are just talking over each other. It's a product of the duality of American politics today, and if you want to bring Vietnam into this, that war and the hippie backlash and the conservative backlash of the hippie backlash are the reasons we can't effectively communicate anymore. Two different realities, as far as I'm concerned.
I've been staring at baseball stats all day, you'll have to forgive me.
I could say the same thing about Pres. Clinton's impeachment proceedings, of course it's still relevant as a part of our history, like it or not, but we should definitely move past it.
And it seems to me that we still can't get past the Vietnam War, however much post-boomers like myself try.
If your point is that what's going on currently is simply more important than the voting history, that's a different story. If that's the case, then both are relevant in the current context, and we should hear about both. It would just be that we shouldn't hear about the past instead of the current situation. Is that it?
Do you sit at here just waiting for him everyday? Seems like it.
Perhaps needlepoint would keep his little hands busy......Clams, do you want me send you a starter kit, my treat?
Asking me and Tommy to stop these accusations is like asking MMFA and Bill O'Reilly to stop accusing each other of lying. They both make the accusation, so they must both be at fault, right?
Please Mr. Brock sir fix the tech problems you are having with this site.
I thought they were planning on making improvements, instead they went backwards!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....
I believe 2007 was the first year that he used the veto, am I correct?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/07/19/stemcells.veto/
Do you realize that my post was about frustration with the technical problems with this site till Snoop decided to make a little joke about Republican candidates. Now Snoop is one of my best cyber buds here so I joked back about the Democratic majority congress. It was meant to be a joke between me & Snoop. Not start an off topic discussion...
But since we're already here.
The Democrats complained they couldn't get anything done when they were the minority. Now they complain they still can't anything done as the majority. Sadly when either party has the majority the other party acts in a contrary manner. The Dems have done it too. Politics 101.
And I'm not disagreeing with you, I was just pointing out that unless you have a clear majority, nothing ever gets done in Washington.
Didn't mean to offend your sensibilities.
Okay.. it is picky.
Carry on.
I don't know what to think about Hagel, who is representing my home state (Nebraska) His first election on voting machines from a company he owned, was a "surprise."
But he was one of the few Republicans to criticise Bush's handling of the Iraq occupation.