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January 17, 2008 1:24 pm ET
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On the January 16 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh asserted that "Media Matters for America, the Clinton front group, sent out a piece claiming that I used the word 'spade' in my monologue on Monday, knowing full well that [Sen.] Hillary [Rodham Clinton (D-NY)], of course, had talked about [Sen. Barack] Obama [D-IL] hadn't done the spadework necessary on foreign policy. It was delicious." In fact, Media Matters did not merely "claim[]" that Limbaugh had used the word "spade" during a discussion of Obama, but documented Limbaugh's use of the word with transcript, audio, and a link to the transcript posted on Limbaugh's website.

Furthermore, in adding that Media Matters "kn[ew] full well that Clinton, of course, had talked about Obama hadn't done the spadework necessary on foreign policy," Limbaugh suggested that Media Matters had obscured the fact that Clinton had used the term "spadework." In fact, Media Matters noted her use of the term in the first sentence of the item, which read: "On the January 7 edition of The Rush Limbaugh Show, host Rush Limbaugh said that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) suggestion that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) 'has not done the kind of spadework' that Clinton has done was 'not coincidental,' given, he said, that 'this is the bunch that suppresses black people in the Democrat [sic] Party.' "

In the same item, Media Matters also documented the difference between the term "spadework," which Clinton used and is commonly used among political figures and the media to describe efforts by individuals of all races to lay groundwork for various initiatives or campaigns, and the term "spade," which can be used as a racial slur.

Limbaugh's reference to Media Matters as "the Clinton front group" is also false. Media Matters is an independent progressive organization and is not funded by or affiliated with any candidate or political party.

From the January 16 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Rush Limbaugh Show:

LIMBAUGH: OK, back to the phones on the EIB Network. People have been waiting patiently. We have David on the phone from Columbia, South Carolina. Great that you waited, sir. Thank you.

CALLER: Hey, Rush. How you doing?

LIMBAUGH: Just fine, sir, thank you.

CALLER: Hey, I had a question. I'm a black Republican, not too conservative, but fairly conservative -- my wife, very liberal, and she's a big Obama supporter -- and we get into this big conversation all the time, and I wanted to get your opinion on something. I wanted to ask you if you think that the media's infatuation with Obama is similar to their infatuation with the Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb. Because she and I got into a conversation about it, and I think so, because, you know, so much of what he talks about, you know, are these great, big broad strokes -- nothing really specific, you know -- and I'm like, "Hey, look. You know, anybody can get up here and look good." You know, yeah, the guy's articulate; he's photogenic -- but, I'm like, you know, what does he stand for on some serious issues? And she looks at me crossways, you know, and I'm like, "Well, you don't know." I mean, you know, so, why is he this media darling?

LIMBAUGH: Well, it'd be a tough analogy, here, to the McNabb situation. Let me try this, nevertheless. I think - oh, before -- you've just reminded me of something, here, David. Before I answer your question -- you know, yesterday on this program, ladies and gentlemen, we did our little test. We played "Barack, the Magic Negro" to see if the drive-bys would pick up on it, that I was acting as an insurgent and refusing to allow the truce to go on in the uncivil war. Guess what -- nobody commented about that, but Media Matters for America, the Clinton front group, sent out a piece claiming that I used the word "spade" [laughing] in my monologue on Monday, [laughing] knowing full well that Hillary, of course, had talked about Obama hadn't done the spadework necessary on foreign policy. It was delicious.

Now as to -- here's what David's question is. David's question -- I came along as you know and I said, "I don't think McNabb is playing as well as everybody thinks he is. I think the defense should get a lot of credit for the Eagles. I just think there's a lot of social concern, the NFL, and the drive-bys and the media's concerned very much that a black quarterback do well in the NFL." That caused a three-year firestorm, in fact, in certain places, it's still referenced. So his question is: Are the drive-bys propping up Obama simply -- for the same reason -- "Well, he's the first legitimate candidate -- black candidate with a legitimate chance. We have been -- we've just been so discriminatory in our past, and so forth. We've got to elevate this guy whether he deserves it or not."

I'll tell you who really made that point, David, was a black columnist in the L.A. Times named David Ehrenstein when he started referring to Obama as "the Magic Negro." The Magic Negro, as he meant it, was a vessel for white guilt. A bunch of white people were saying they were supporting Obama -- which Ehrenstein didn't like. Ehrenstein's a Clinton guy. And he didn't like that all these white people were out supporting Obama when they had no idea what he stood for -- the point that you just made.

And so, there were puff pieces early on. But now that the race war, the uncivil war has broken out, despite this so-called truce, the drive-bys were not monolithic in this. In some cases, the drive-bys supported Obama. In other cases, they supported the Clinton side of this. But here's the -- David, here's the point -- and this is what you need to tell your wife. Now you said your wife is an Obama person.

CALLER: Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's a big time Obama fan.

LIMBAUGH: OK, here's what you need to do. Try this as an experiment. Is she a big liberal Democrat, or she just likes Obama for other reasons?

CALLER: She's a liberal Democrat, but one thing she agrees with you wholeheartedly on, is -- she's an immigrant from Barbados. They immigrated to New York, you know, about 30-something years ago, and she and her family had to wait, you know, a good year and a half for the paperwork and all the processing, so, as far as illegal immigration, she's right of you on that issue. But yeah, for the most part, she's a pretty --

LIMBAUGH: Well, then there's hope for you. But here's the thing to tell her. Now, she's from Barbados. Before I give you the little test to run, I need to ask you one more question. She's from Barbados. Is she old enough and learned enough to be familiar with the civil rights struggle in this country?

CALLER: Oh, absolutely. Absolutely.

LIMBAUGH: She's very -- OK. OK. Well, you know -- how long has she been in the country?

CALLER: She's been here for what -- she's -- 40 years.

LIMBAUGH: Oh! Well, what am I saying? 'Course, she's well steeped in it. Then here's what you tell her. What's her first name?

CALLER: Bowana.

LIMBAUGH: All right. Bowana, here: You've been watching American politics. You've been watching the Democrat [sic] Party and you're obviously a liberal Democrat for all these years. And here, your guy, Obama, Barack Obama, the first black man with a legitimate chance to be the president of the United States, and who's trying to destroy him? The Democrat Party. The Clinton machine is trying to stomp on this guy, he's gotten too uppity. He doesn't know his place. He's taken this too seriously. The Clintons didn't mind him getting in the race, but they don't like the fact he's out-raising her. And they don't like the fact that he's gotten more love than she does.

Now if the Democrats, all of these years of the civil rights struggle, David, had meant what they said, that blacks have been sat on, and they have been discriminated against. They may have been mistreated, and they've been denied equality and opportunity, usually blaming Republicans for this. The Clintons, if they really bought it, if all of liberalism bought what they really tell us, then there would be a mass movement on the part of John Edwards and Hillary Clinton to get out of this race and let Obama have it, simply because this is what they claim they have stood for, for all these years.

And instead, what's happening is that the very people who lead the party on all this civil rights stuff are stomping on him, and denying him, doing their best to deny him -- and they're lying about it. And they're accusing him of race -- and they're putting the rumors out about he was not only using drugs, but maybe even selling drugs -- and then they've got another Clinton crony out there, Bob Kerrey, who went out there, David, and much -- "Look at his middle name, Barack Hussein Obama! He's been to madrassas. His father was a Muslim."

They've done everything they could to destroy the guy's reputation and character: Clinton, Inc. Now that's what you need to ask your wife. Why does she want to be a member of a party like that? If she loves Obama, she's gotta understand who it is who's trying to destroy this poor guy. And it's not us, yet. We'll have our chance if he becomes the nominee. But we'll do it on issues. The Clintons --

CALLER: Absolutely.

LIMBAUGH: The Clintons are not doing it on issues; the Clintons are trying to destroy this man personally.

CALLER: You're absolutely right, Rush, and I will say this: There is one good thing that is coming from Obama's campaign, and that is, he is doing it without the help of Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and it is driving them nuts. And --

LIMBAUGH: That's right. And let me tell you something --

CALLER: -- I'm loving every minute of it.

LIMBAUGH: Let me tell you something, David, you're right. You're on to something there. And if Obama wins -- if he happens to win -- worst thing in the world for the Democrat Party. Worst thing in the world for the Reverend Jackson and Al Sharpton. Because how can a racist country elect a black president? I mean the race business would go down sky high. I mean, it'd be over with. There's a lot riding on this guy losing in the Democrat Party. Tell her that.

[...]

LIMBAUGH: I don't know how Hillary can say she is where she is because of Dr. King. I really don't know. I don't -- she's just trying to get back in the good graces of people because she's basically out there trashed Dr. King by saying he was nothing without LBJ. And as I pointed out, ladies and gentlemen, in a previous hour of this very program, if LBJ was the key to all this, how come there aren't any LBJ streets all over America? How come there's no LBJ holiday? You got a lot of Martin Luther King Boulevards, a lot of Martin Luther King Avenues, a lot of Martin Luther King schools. You got a Martin Luther King national holiday.

Hillary Clinton did not get anywhere because of Dr. King. She got everywhere because of Mr. Bill. Uncle Bill, as he was appropriately named on this program yesterday, blaming the staff, too exuberant, very, very Oprah-like, but, ladies and gentlemen, you know -- when the staff here screws up, and it happens more than you know, I never blame the staff. And you've heard me. Because if, for example, in their exuberance, if they believe some hoax email that comes in and they give it to me as fact and I use it, it's ultimately my responsibility for not checking it first. I'm not gonna sit there and dump on the staff. I take all the heat and I get all the money. And so -- but here they are, blaming their staffs. Nobody's gonna convince me that there wasn't some meeting here to set this all up. OK, so next up, Brian Williams says "Sen. Obama, next question."

[begin audio clip]

OBAMA: Hillary said it well. We are right now I think at a defining moment in our history.

LIMBAUGH: Yeah.

OBAMA: We've got a nation at war.

LIMBAUGH: We're winning.

OBAMA: Our planet is in peril --

LIMBAUGH: No.

OBAMA: -- and the economy is putting enormous strain on working families all across the country.

LIMBAUGH: Democrats are.

OBAMA: Now, race has always been an issue in our politics and in this country, but --

LIMBAUGH: On the Democrats' side.

OBAMA: -- one of the premises of my campaign -- and I think of the Democratic Party and I know that John and Hillary have always been committed to racial equality -- is that we can't solve these challenges unless we can come together as a people and we're not resorting to the same or falling into the same traps, of division that we have in the past.

LIMBAUGH: Obama, you're taking the high road here and I admire you -- but they're trying to destroy you, my man! Out there with your drug use and your drug-selling and not doing the spadework -- they're trying to destroy you, Obama! By the way, you think Hillary's committed to racial equality? How come she's trying to stomp you into the dirt?

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    • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 1:27 pm ET)
         
      Hold it Rush, shhh, quiet, FOR A MINUTE!........Ok, MMFA, go ahead, it's your turn.  (whew)
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      • Author by JLyons (January 17, 2008 1:47 pm ET)
           
        This is sorta like the MMFA crusade last fall about the Oreilly Comments regarding the Harlem resturant. Nothing here in the end and really a waste of resources.  The racism being spewed about Obama is not coming from Rush but from many other mainstream media and overt types. 
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        • Author by ConstanceRifleII (January 17, 2008 5:13 pm ET)
             
          Tommy can you hear me?  Perhaps you need Holiday Camp ;)
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        • Author by solon (January 17, 2008 5:43 pm ET)
             
          Bunk. O'Reilly's comments WERE racist and so were Limbaughs.
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          • Author by carlileb5935 (January 18, 2008 4:05 am ET)
               
            Limbaugh ran with the 'spade' term so much that it is impossible to conclude that his point was anything less than suggestive. It's like that flash frame that  drive-ins used to splice in of a picture of popcorn, during the movie.
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      • Author by greekfurnace (January 17, 2008 1:58 pm ET)
           
        Tom - if you truly believe that Limbaugh's use of the term 'spade' was anything other than a wink-wink racial slur... I've got some swampland in Florida I want to sell you.  This guy's a pompous jackass playing like he's a good guy. 
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        • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 2:01 pm ET)
             

          Did I say that?

          I was merely commenting, innocently, on the value each finds in each other, with their back and forth publicity tiff.

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          • Author by greekfurnace (January 17, 2008 2:07 pm ET)
               

            Oh... I see... sort of a 'spade for spat'?

            You are consistent, I'll give you that. I still contend that criticizing MMFA for criticizing Limbaugh for criticizing MMFA for criticizing Limbaugh...etc...  Isn't that was this is all about? If Limbaugh stops saying obnoxious/racist/sexist things... MMFA would have no beef.  Then you'd have a point. Until then, I don't get it.

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            • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 2:16 pm ET)
                 

              Greek,

              I don't see how you get that Tommy was criticizing MMFA. I think Tommy was just making a light-hearted joke. As I read it I thought Tommy was just commenting on the Limbaugh/MMFA relationship.

              Rush says something, MMFA calls him on it, Rush responds etc.

              Tommy, you should know by now that humor here is often taken by some as serious comment ;-)

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              • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 2:20 pm ET)
                   
                J, Thanks, that was exactly what I was doing.
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                • Author by Sueelldd (January 17, 2008 2:26 pm ET)
                     

                  Jeter/Tommy

                  You guys should no better, you are never allowed to joke, unless you are spewing hate toward Matthews, Rush and others who MMFA and its many sheep

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                  • Author by snoopy (January 17, 2008 3:14 pm ET)
                       
                    B-a-a-a-a-a-a-h!
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                    • Author by TomJoad (January 17, 2008 3:32 pm ET)
                         

                      yeah, well some of the things on this forum make me laugh out loud. I think the issue with Tommy is, imo, he consistenly ignores the content of a mmfa posting, and comments instead on his own opinion of mmfa. The fact that there is a back-and-forth between Rush and MMfA isn't the issue being discussed here. MMfA has an absolute obligation to document this issue exactly as it pans out, including the instances when Rush or other commentators lie about the flow of events. The real issue is that Rush is a bigot, and this post is MMfA being clear about their documentation of that reality.

                      So to be honest i can understand why not everyone finds Tommy funny. ya know?

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                      • Author by achrispage6992 (January 17, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
                           
                        That is hilarious because you are rarely on topic when Tommy posts here. You spend most of your time in off topic argument swith him. Pot meet kettle.
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                      • Author by achrispage6992 (January 17, 2008 4:00 pm ET)
                           

                        What is funny is that you point out your opinion that Tommy never stays on point in terms of the content of the thread but you have shown yourself to consistently veer off topic arguing with Tommy or attacking his opinions.

                        Tommy,

                        Make sure you submit your posting to TOMJOAD for approval from now on before posting. After all, that is what he really wants, IMO.

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                        • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 6:46 pm ET)
                             
                          I know, there are so many filters I have to go through now, and so many hoops to jump through now, it's hard to keep track......thanks Chris, I will definitely go through him too to make sure my posts are right on track.
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                      • Author by solon (January 17, 2008 5:45 pm ET)
                           
                        Not to mention this is FURTHER misinformation. That is the implication that MMFA didnt AKNOWLEGE what Hillary said AND saying they CLAIMED something they proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Both of which are misleading.
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                    • Author by eweston8542983 (January 17, 2008 4:37 pm ET)
                         
                      Won't ewe be mine?
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                  • Author by snoopy (January 17, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
                       

                    Oh, sue! Someone is cal-ling you! ;)

                    http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Olbermann_slams_OReilly_for_downplaying_homeless_0117.html

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                  • Author by solon (January 17, 2008 9:05 pm ET)
                       

                    Poor ignorant Sue. Unless she is spewing hate toward ANYONE that dares have a different opinion from her she doesnt know what to think at all. Your stupidity doesnt define reality STUEPID. The liberals here have great senses of humor you are just too ignorant to get the jokes. Mores the pity

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                    • Author by Sueelldd (January 18, 2008 9:25 am ET)
                         
                      See, me calling other sheep was a joke, and you can not even take it as that.
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                      • Author by snoopy (January 18, 2008 11:08 am ET)
                           

                        I wasn't offended sue.

                        Solon, that really was a bit rough. Let's not go overboard, K?

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                • Author by eweston8542983 (January 17, 2008 7:16 pm ET)
                     

                  Sometimes itis hard to tell Tommy. I recall thinking you'd made a joke and found you quite serious about the post.

                  You could always try a smilly face.

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              • Author by ConstanceRifleII (January 17, 2008 2:37 pm ET)
                   
                Yeah, I thought he was actually poking fun at Rush. 
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              • Author by greekfurnace (January 17, 2008 4:01 pm ET)
                   

                Are you kidding?? Come on... now, I think you're joking.  As long as I've been around this site this 'joke' never gets old by Tom.  I'm not offended.  It's just lame. He needs some new material. 

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    • Author by wzwriter (January 17, 2008 1:28 pm ET)
         

      I'm still waiting for El Rushbo to respond to all the comments I've placed on MMFA in recent months asking for him to tell his listeners the truth about his arrest in Pittsburgh in the Early '70s in the company of a male prostitute.  This is when he was working under the alias "Jeff Christie".

       How about it, Rush??  The truth shall set you free....

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      • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 1:29 pm ET)
           

        You mean he hasn't responded to you personally yet?  Well!!

        ;)

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        • Author by achrispage6992 (January 17, 2008 1:43 pm ET)
             
          As much as I genuinely dislike Limbaugh, I think he brings forth a valid point in pointing out how Hillary Clinton's campaign has brought these issues about Obama. I find her to be sickening. I just can't understand why anyone would vote for this calculating blankity blank.
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    • Author by mr. l (January 17, 2008 1:40 pm ET)
         
      LOL!!  If Obama becomes president then racism is over... Hooooo-kaaay, there, Rush...
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    • Author by greekfurnace (January 17, 2008 2:01 pm ET)
         
      You know, I often say "Well... there's an awful lot of spadework to be done today!"... or, better..."If we could only get on the same spade, then we'd all accomplish a great deal".  Limbaugh is a jackass.  His listeners know exactly what he meant and so do we. Deflecting about Hillary is nonsense.
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    • Author by BillJ-MN (January 17, 2008 2:22 pm ET)
         

      Obama, you're taking the high road here and I admire you -- but they're trying to destroy you, my man! Out there with your drug use and your drug-selling ...

      This sleazy backhanded "compliment" is what I find the most offensive in that jackass' rant.  This presentation makes it sound as though "drug-selling" was a historical fact rather than an unsupported slur.

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      • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 2:27 pm ET)
           
        Of course it's a backhanded compliment, and meant with the highest level of insincerity Rush can muster.  Partisans like Rush are focusing on the Democrats and their internal battles so they can avoid discussing their own pathetic list of Republican candidates.
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      • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 2:30 pm ET)
           

        This presentation makes it sound as though "drug-selling" was a historical fact rather than an unsupported slur.

        Absolutely agree Bill, BUT don't forget that slur was first uttered by a Democrat. Repeating it is sleazy, but sometimes sleaze begins at home....

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        • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 2:33 pm ET)
             
          Great point, this slur doesn't lay on the doorsteps of the rightwing.
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          • Author by BillJ-MN (January 17, 2008 2:36 pm ET)
               
            While the original may not, Rush' version of it is unshared sleaze.
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          • Author by BillJ-MN (January 17, 2008 2:40 pm ET)
               
            The original may not have been, but Rush' version is unshared sleaze.
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          • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 2:55 pm ET)
               
            Great point, this slur doesn't lay on the doorsteps of the rightwing.

            - TOMMY / Thursday January 17, 2008 2:33:26 PM EST

            - Reply to this comment / Flag this comment


            And here I thought conservatives are big on personal responsibility.

            You don't seem to believe Limbaugh is personally responsible for what he says.

            I'd submit Limbaugh is personally responsible for what he says no matter where he heard it first.
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          • Author by snoopy (January 17, 2008 3:26 pm ET)
               

            I believe giving credit where credit is due, I just think Limbaugh was working real hard to make sure he got in on the action! ;)

            Now why am I not surprised with this report (anyone in general)?

            http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Indicted_GOP_lawmaker_wanted_to_be_0117.html

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            • Author by eweston8542983 (January 17, 2008 9:04 pm ET)
                 

              Your devious inquisitive mind. You found an MRI scan of his brain and thought, "I could really use a pretzzel right now."

              In so many ways a religeous fanatic on one side of the world shares much with one on the other side of the world.

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        • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 2:47 pm ET)
             
          And since it was a Democrat who fired the Democrat who made the drug-sellng remark I think it's only fair to point out that sometimes sleaze ends at home too.

          Now tell me who is going to hold Limbaugh responsible for his sleazy comments?
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          • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 3:06 pm ET)
               

            We are talking about its origins, which is your Democrats, who knew exactly that people like Rush would run with it, don't kid yourself.  They fed it, Rush and others ate it up. 

            And for the record, Rush is responsible for anything that comes out of his mouth, just as we all are. 

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          • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 3:07 pm ET)
               
            And also, if you think for one minute they hoped the firing would "end" it, you are naive......just the opposite.
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            • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 3:19 pm ET)
                 
              And here I thought conservatives were big on consequences for personal behavior.

              It's true a Democrat first said it.

              It's also true you want to ignore the consequences of him saying it: he was fired by a Democrat.

              I understand why you want to limit the discussion to the origins of the remark and ignore the consequences.

              It's just dishonest that's all.
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              • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
                   

                No, you want to say a Democrat started it, OK, but they also stopped it - that is absurd.  You don't "stop" something like this, once it's out there,  it's out there.....and they certainly knew opportunists like Rush would salivate at this Democrat eating Democrat stuff, and then run with it even more.

                So the original blame most certainly is on the one who planted the seed, not just those who watered it - so it's most definitely shared responsibility. 

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                • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 3:30 pm ET)
                     
                  By firing the guy almost immediately the Democrats showed they won't tolerate this type of sleaze.

                  What more would you like them to do?

                  It's a hell of a bigger price than Limbaugh will ever pay.
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                  • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 3:36 pm ET)
                       
                    You must be kidding?  If you don't think things like this are 100% orchestrated, well, especially with the Clintons they are.  
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                    • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 3:39 pm ET)
                         
                      Put the shovel down and stop digging already will you?
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                      • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 3:45 pm ET)
                           
                        Uber-blinding partisanship can be dangerous to your health, it may just "bury" you - so you may need that shovel, not me.
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                        • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
                             
                          Facts aren't partisan.

                          Your theories are.

                          p.s. I'm not interested in hearing your theory about what happened to Vince Foster either.
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                          • Author by achrispage6992 (January 17, 2008 3:55 pm ET)
                               
                            Hilarious. If the Clinton's stopped this nonsense then why haven't they disassociated themselves from the comment of Bob Kerrey or the founder of BET? How naive can one be here? It is painfully obvious that most of the insinuations and inuendo about Obama's character and other things some how find their origins from the Clinton campaign. Be consistent and voice your disdain of this unless of course you are blinded by your partisanship.  
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                            • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 3:58 pm ET)
                                 
                              Be consistent and voice your disdain of this unless of course you are blinded by your partisanship.

                              I hereby voice my distain.

                              Feel better?

                              Your turn.

                              Voice your distain for Limbaugh, Fox News et. al.
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                            • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 4:04 pm ET)
                                 
                              P.S.

                              You need to give credit where credit is due:

                              HRC did the right thing by firing Bill Shaheen.

                              Kerry did the right thing by apologizing, as did Johnson.
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                              • Author by achrispage6992 (January 17, 2008 4:49 pm ET)
                                   
                                The difference is that I have never insinuated that she did not do the right thing. You on the other hand have overlooked her sorry actions by either convinience or perhaps you were just uninformed. Either way, it really has nothing to do with me. I don't know what in the world FOX NEWS has to to with this topic, and I have never supported Limbaugh. I did indicate, earlier in this thread, that I thought he had a valid point about Hillary's campaign being the ones who are attempting to destroy Obama. Anyway, if you are readily giving your disdain for the actions fo the Clinton campaign then what was your beef with Tommy in the first place?  
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                                • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 4:58 pm ET)
                                     
                                  I haven't overlooked anything.

                                  I like to give credit where credit is due.
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                                  • Author by achrispage6992 (January 17, 2008 6:40 pm ET)
                                       
                                    That is fair enough but, I thought Sheehan resigned. Even though Clinton tried to distance herself from this crap it wasn't too much later that another of her campaign advisors done the same thing only disguising it by bringing up the drug issue by saying that they wouldn't be bringing up the fact he used drugs. Come on, it's quite obvious that this stuff is part of their strategy. She's smart enough to stand far enough away to disavow any responsibility but in the end it's happening and it's coming from her campaign. As for Kerrey and Johnson, sure they apologized but were they admonished in the least by the Clinton machine? The answer is not really and that should be enough to give one pause in assessing her character. I for one believe that it is unquestionable that Obama is miles above her in the character department. Wouldn't it be nice to nominate a Democrat with no character issues?
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                                    • Author by tommy (January 17, 2008 6:49 pm ET)
                                         
                                      Well said Chris....again.
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                                    • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 7:33 pm ET)
                                         
                                      Yes, it will be nice, if Obama is nominated, to finally have a candidate who can turn water into wine.

                                      Don't be silly.

                                      If Obama doesn't have any character issues, and that point is debatable, the Republicans will try to give him some just like they tried to paint the only candidate in 2004 who ever killed anybody in defense of this country as a lying coward.

                                      We have enough historical evidence to know the Republican strategy and tactics don't change or depend on who the Democrat nominee is. Just look at what they're doing to their own candidates in SC.

                                      Those predisposed to believe the Republican line will believe them just like those predisposed to believe every smear against HRC will believe she's not trying hard enough to control her campaign despite the message that came down from the top at this week's debate.
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                                      • Author by achrispage6992 (January 17, 2008 8:02 pm ET)
                                           

                                        My God man, can you not see the difference in the "baggage" between the two? Stop marrying yourself to the supposition that Hillary is some kind of angel who everyone just doesn't understand. As for your opinions of the GOP and how they will handle the general election, I can't disagree there. One out of two ain't bad.

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                                        • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 8:22 pm ET)
                                             
                                          I'm not.

                                          When it comes to the far right/Republican attack machine truth is irrelevant.

                                          I don't think HRC or any other nominee is going to face anything less than a withering attack from them along with the usual nonsense from the corporate press.

                                          As we've seen in past elections the truth matters less than the message sticking to the Democratic candidate.
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                            • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (January 17, 2008 9:10 pm ET)
                                 

                              Hilarious. If the Clinton's stopped this nonsense then why haven't they disassociated themselves from the comment of Bob Kerrey or the founder of BET? How naive can one be here? It is painfully obvious that most of the insinuations and inuendo about Obama's character and other things some how find their origins from the Clinton campaign. Be consistent and voice your disdain of this unless of course you are blinded by your partisanship.

                              Chris I personally have been furious with Hillary & Co. over Robbert Johnson’s comments about Obama, I have said that I would not forgive  until he apologized to Obama and he did:

                              High-profile Hillary Clinton supporter Bob Johnson is apologizing to Barack Obama for comments he made last week regarding the Illinois senator's acknowledged drug use as a teenager. Johnson said he sent a letter to Obama Thursday morning and said he was also reaching out by phone. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/17/clinton-supporter-apologizes-for-obama-comments/

                              And so did Hillary: But when asked whether Johnson's comments were out of bounds, Clinton acknowledged, "Yes they were. And he has said that."

                              Bob Kerrey also apologized: Former Senator Bob Kerrey has apologized to Senator Barack Obama, praising his judgment and experience to serve as president. He said he did not intend to offend Mr. Obama or contribute to misinformation about his family’s Muslim heritage. “I am sorry for the insult,” Mr. Kerrey wrote in a letter to Mr. Obama.

                              Does it change the fact that both Johnson and Kerrey said what they said? No. Does that change the possible political mileage Hillary gain from those statements? No, but what else can you do. When a person apologizes you can be an a** and hold a grudge and not accept their apology or you can be a grown-up and accept their apology. I accept both Johnson's and Kerrey's apology. Will I forget what they said?... No way.

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      • Author by BillJ-MN (January 17, 2008 2:34 pm ET)
           
        Dang, my original post wasn't showing up for me with my refreshes.  So, naturally, it does after I recreate the post.
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        • Author by bruce1ace (January 17, 2008 4:03 pm ET)
             
          Bill, this site has been experiencing technical difficulties for the past week or so.
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    • Author by nerzog (January 17, 2008 2:55 pm ET)
         
      Rush has been using thinly veiled racism for years...it's one of his trademarks, and one of the reasons the Troglodytes love him so. He gets away with what they wish they could do. Anyone who doubts the racist overtones of his comments only needs to listen to the tape. His cartoonish emphasis on the word "spaaaaaaaade" is blatantly obvious.
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    • Author by atheist (January 17, 2008 3:18 pm ET)
         
      I love his logik that if Obama becomes President then there would be an end to racism ... and that would be a bad thing ??  Worse, the caller didn't complain.
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    • Author by moe (January 17, 2008 3:20 pm ET)
         

      Limbaugh showed his ignorance in at least two ways.  1) "Spadework" is a term, as MMFA has pointed out with numerous examples, that has historically been used in a political context.  Limbaugh doesn't understand this.  2) He saw an opportunity to use a racially charged term and took it.  He can't help himself.  It's like putting a painkiller in front of his nose.

      The problem Limbaugh has is that there is now a documented pattern of making racially charged statements. 

      Nerzog has it exactly right... it's thinly veiled racism...and Rush is an expert. 

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    • Author by princeofwheels (January 17, 2008 4:23 pm ET)
         

      I don't understand Rush. He rants about the Democratic Party for attacking Obama, but who is supporting Obama? He uses the term "Clinton Inc.", as the Democratic Party. Someone help me, who is voting for Obama.

      C'mon Rush, Bush and the thugs tried to destroy McCain in South Carolina but you didn't comment on that one. Rush, I have to declare, you are a PHONY who is in it for the money. And look at all of the years of fun you are going to have when the Democrat, your word, Party destroys the Repbulans in the fall. And by then, Mr. Limbaugh we will be screaming from the rooftops that it was people like you that turned away the REAL Republan vote. And settle down, you head is going to explode and you may have another relapse.

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    • Author by tex (January 17, 2008 4:27 pm ET)
         

      I disagree that Rush's racism is "thinly veiled".

      It is BLATANT. There is no doubt about his various hatreds, for Hillary, for Obama, for people of color, for poor people, for Liberals, women, teachers, lawyers, anyone who has actually read a book  ... it is Rush's occupation to share his hatreds with his listeners. That's been his job for two decades, spreading hatred and divisiveness, bigotry and misogyny. Making a hateful minority segment of our society feel better about themselves, by letting them know there is a national figure who "thinks like they do".

      And, he's addicted to pain pills. One must wonder if he will ever make the connection that it is the kind of life he is living that makes it unbearable without resorting to drugs. Perhaps if he confronted and dealt with his hatreds, he might be able to form a normal relationship with a woman. Perhaps he could find LOVE, and it would change his life, ease his pain.

      For now, he will continue spreading his racism, sexism, and hatred, "carrying the water" for Republicans he likewise despises, in an attempt to continue to FOOL his audience into believing he is being honest and sincere. He's a professional liar and hater, and it's very very sad. It's even sadder that he seems to have a following of similarly dysfunctional human beings. Saddest of all is some of them post HERE, on this site. 

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      • Author by nerzog (January 17, 2008 5:39 pm ET)
           
        Tex, I think you've nailed it. I've never doubted that Rush's success has been subsidized by GOP sugardaddies; I really don't believe that the marketplace would create the monster that Conservative Talk Radio has become without a little help. It would seem that the intended function of Rush and his army of local-market clones is to keep the poorly-educated Evangelical GOP base lathered up about those "Evil Libruls". Rush daily reassures his audience that it's okay to be a selfish bigot...after all, he's one, and it's made him rich!
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        • Author by dave (January 18, 2008 11:41 am ET)
             

          Rush reassures his audience that's its ok to be successful and become rich. He uses himself as an example. He has never claimed bigotry a way to gain wealth. That would be your projection. Sounds like you hate Rush for his wealth. You lefty's can't hide the class envy.

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      • Author by eddy3957 reregistered (January 18, 2008 12:11 am ET)
           

        Making a hateful minority segment of our society feel better about themselves, by letting them know there is a national figure who "thinks like they do"---Tex

        In addition, he provides the rationale for that hatred by explaining how the non-real Americans are causing problems for them.  He provides a service for his listeners but it a false satisfaction they derive from Limbaugh --- because Limbaugh is also providing a service to the entrenched internationalist elites, traitorous big business, and the GOP by inducing enmity and confusion among the common people.  He channels the anger of the white male away from who's really harming them.

         

         

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    • Author by August Heat (January 18, 2008 2:40 pm ET)
         
      I have an issue with those who are faulting Limbaugh alone and not spreading the blame to Hillary also.  Yes, Rush Limpo was very insincere in the amountof times he used the term 'spade work', but please do not tell me you believe this was just in Hillary's everyday vocab.  Who here will admit to being that gullible?
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    • Author by paleocon (January 18, 2008 7:12 pm ET)
         
      i can't believe you all missed the opportunity to criticize him for saying that obama could also handle 'the hoe-work.'  classic!  you all really hate it when he points out blatent racism on the left.
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