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Novak repeated false assertion that Bill Clinton "referred to Obama's candidacy as 'a fairy tale' "

January 17, 2008 2:55 pm ET
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SUMMARY: Nationally syndicated columnist Robert Novak falsely asserted that former President Bill Clinton had "referred to [Sen. Barack] Obama's candidacy as 'a fairy tale.' " Clinton in fact described as the "biggest fairy tale" Obama's statements about his position on the Iraq war.

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In his January 17 syndicated column on Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's (D-NY) "vetting" of Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), Robert Novak asserted that former President Bill Clinton had "referred to Obama's candidacy as 'a fairy tale.' " In fact, in comments he made on January 7, Clinton did not refer to Obama or his campaign as a "fairy tale"; rather, as reporter Mark Leibovich wrote in a January 13 piece for The New York Times' Week In Review section, Clinton "was referring specifically to the perception that Mr. Obama was totally pure in his opposition to the Iraq war."

Numerous other news outlets -- including Newsweek and The Washington Post -- have similarly mischaracterized Clinton's statement as referring generally to Obama's candidacy.

From the January 7 campaign event with Bill Clinton, as transcribed by Congressional Quarterly:

QUESTION: Thanks. One of the things that Senator Obama talks about a lot is judgment and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the recent criticism of Mark Penn, who is Hillary's chief strategist, who's been criticized for being somewhat out of touch with reality.

For instance, he circulated a memo about Iowa, saying "Where's the balance," [sic: bounce] and then the next day, there was a 12-point jump for Obama.

CLINTON: He was wrong. He was wrong about that, because the balance [sic] always occurs on the second day, not the first day. It always occurs on the second day, not the first day.

But since you raised the judgment issue, let's go over this again. That is the central argument for his campaign. "It doesn't matter that I started running for president less than a year after I got to the Senate from the Illinois state senate. I am a great speaker and a charismatic figure and I am the only one that had the judgment to oppose this floor [sic: war] from the beginning, always, always, always."

First, it is factually not true that everybody that supported that resolution supported Bush attacking Iraq before the U.N. inspectors withdrew. Chuck Hagel [NE] was one of the co-authors of that resolution, the only Republican Senator that always opposed the war, every day, from the get-go.

He authored the resolution to say that Bush could go to war only if they didn't cooperate with the inspectors and he was assured personally by [then-national security adviser] Condi Rice, as many of the other Senators were. So, first, the case is wrong that way.

Second, it is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, enumerating the years and never got asked one time, not once, "Well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you're now running on off your Web site in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since."

Give me a break.

[applause]

This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen. So you can talk about Mark Penn all you want. What did you think about the Obama thing, calling Hillary the "Senator from Punjab?" Did you like that? Or what about the Obama handout that was covered up, the press never reported on, implying that I was a crook, scouring me, scathing criticism over my financial reports.

[Former independent counsel] Ken Starr spent $70 million and indicted innocent people to find out that I wouldn't take a nickel to see the cow jump over the moon. So you can take a shot at Mark Penn if you want, it wasn't his best day. He was hurt, he felt badly we didn't do better in Iowa.

But, you know, the idea that one of these campaigns is positive and other is negative, when I know the reverse is true and I have seen it and I have been blistered by it for months, is a little tough to take. Just because of the sanitizing coverage that's in the media doesn't mean the facts aren't out there.

[applause]

Otherwise, I do not have any strong feelings about that subject.

[laughter]

Go ahead. I've got to take a question back here and then I -- go ahead.

From Novak's January 17 column:

A fourth Clinton supporter, Rep. Charles Rangel, next raised the drug issue by saying on black radio that Obama mentioned it in his book because "I guess he thought it might sell books."

Rangel has always seemed to be less of a black politician than a politician who happens to be black. But other African Americans were incensed by the Clinton vetting of Obama. Donna Brazile, who was national campaign manager for Al Gore in 2000 and is neutral in this campaign as a CNN commentator, made the first criticism of Bill Clinton anyone had heard from her after he referred to Obama's candidacy as "a fairy tale." She said of the former president, "I find his tone and his words to be very depressing." House Majority Whip James Clyburn, South Carolina's leading black politician, was so upset that he threatened to break his promised neutrality until Sen. Clinton calmed him down.

Before Tuesday night's Democratic debate in Las Vegas, both campaigns declared an end to the "race debate" over whether Martin Luther King Jr. or Lyndon B. Johnson was more responsible for civil rights legislation. But the fight really was about the Clintons resenting an obstacle on their return to the White House. A prominent Democrat who saw the former president this week described him as "furious, outraged, angry and utterly dismissive of Obama."

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    • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 3:06 pm ET)
         
      I'm going to use right wing logic and say that since Novak heard the term "fairy tale" from the lips of Bill Clinton it's perfectly fair for him to repeat it in any context he wants to.
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      • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 4:07 pm ET)
           

        Novak heard the term "fairy tale" from the lips of Bill Clinton it's perfectly fair for him to repeat it in any context he wants to.

        You have a real mental block about this don't ya Johnny One Note?

        Skipped a step here didn't ya? Why am I not surprised...

        Not one Republican/Conservative columnist, pundit, politician, or Talk Radio host had anything to say or write about Bill Clinton's use of "fairy-tale" when discussing Obama's record on the Iraq war till a Democrat made an issue of it.

        It was, as you know, Donna Brazile, a Dem/Lib who cried foul incorrectly, & started the brouhaha that followed with every race-baiter & many Obama supporters joining in.

        This does not excuse Novak or anyone else on the Right from attempting to continue this controversy begun by Brazile as it was resolved many days ago.

        But at least get your facts correct next time.

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        • Author by SFnomad (January 17, 2008 4:21 pm ET)
             
          I guess it's easier for Novakula to repeat the term "fairy tale" in any context he want then, especially when he didn't hear it from the lips of President Clinton.
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        • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 4:23 pm ET)
             
          Yeah It's Donna Brazile's fault Novak can't get his facts straight.
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          • Author by SFnomad (January 17, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
               
            Johnny, you should know better by now ... if it's bad, it's always the fault of a Democrat; if it's good, it couldn't have been done without a Republican.
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          • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 4:30 pm ET)
               

            Johnny,

            Novak is senile or just a liar, either explanation is fine with me.

            Anyone still repeating this "fairy-tale" story should be called on it.

            I said there was no excuse for this. I was simply correcting your from Clinton's lips to Novak's ears timetable. I'm not surprised you omitted Step 2  since you can't ever seem to admit Dem/Libs ever do anything wrong ::eye roll::

             

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            • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 4:49 pm ET)
                 
              What I said was Novak heard the term "fairy tale" from Bill Clinton's lips and put it into his own context.

              Clinton said: This whole thing [Obama being consistently opposed to the war] is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen.

              Novak wrote : he referred to Obama's candidacy as "a fairy tale".

              Novak could have made his statement without referring to Brazile at at all.
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              • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 4:58 pm ET)
                   

                What?

                It's clear to any honest person that Novak made that leap because of what Brazile & other Dems claimed Clinton meant. Anyone who heard or read Clinton's statement KNEW he was talking about Iraq. Brazile got it wrong, then Clinton Haters & race-baiters piled on.

                Novak is simply repeating what's been said by a slew of others.

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          • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 4:52 pm ET)
               

            There would not have even been a story to get the facts straight on IF Donna Brazile hadn't whined about it.

            The story, until Brazile stepped in was simply Bill stumping for his wife & qustioning why Obama's record wasn't being scrutinized better.

            It was only after Brazile turned it into something racial that the media piled on.

            God, you are so thick-headed...

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            • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 4:54 pm ET)
                 
              Novak's statement is his own misinterpretation of what Clinton said.
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              • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 5:01 pm ET)
                   

                Yeah right.

                Go with that Johnny.

                You're not thick-head, you're just a fool.

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                • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 5:05 pm ET)
                     
                  Nice to see you revert to form.

                  I was beginning to worry about you.
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                  • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 5:08 pm ET)
                       

                    Try replying to my post above at: jeter2 / Thursday January 17, 2008 4:58:48 PM EST

                    I might as well be talking to the wall. I can't believe you are this numb...

                     

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                    • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 5:15 pm ET)
                         
                      Can you believe I have better things to do?
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                      • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 5:22 pm ET)
                           

                        Nah. You got nothing else to do, you just obviously can't refute it cause I see you seem to still be hanging around here repyling to other posts. But fools never can admit they are wrong, so it's ok One Note.

                        Thanks for trying to play Johnny LOL.

                         

                         

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                        • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 5:43 pm ET)
                             
                          I've been showing your "don't forget the Democrats started it" bs is irrelvant for days now.

                          I understand why you've internalized the idea to the point where you have to try to insult anyone disagreeing with you.

                          It's sad really.
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                          • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 5:46 pm ET)
                               

                            Ha! Only in your Moonbat mind have you shown anybody anything.

                            Come on big talker go reply to my post, you know the one you can't refute.

                            Gawd you're too funny.

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                            • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 6:41 pm ET)
                                 
                              I've refuted your "don't forget the Democrats said it first" bs as irrelevant for days. First debunking your claim the far right would have felt "inhibited" about attacking Obama's church if the Democrats hadn't first played the "race card" and now your contention Brazile is somehow responsible for Novak misquoting Clinton.

                              Your contention that Novak, famed conservative attack dog for decades, didn't present the "Clinton called Obama's campaign a fairy tale" as a conclusion of his own is not supportable as is your contention the far right would have felt "inhibited" about attacking Obama's church if the Democrats hadn't brought out the "race card."

                              I understand why you cling to your unsupportable opinions.

                              However,that doesn't make them facts that can't be refuted.

                              Please spare me your hubris.
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                • Author by dbeden4153 (January 17, 2008 5:08 pm ET)
                     
                  Can I play double devil's advocate here?  I think neither of you can assume either case.  Novak could have heard it from Brazile, or he could have just come up with it in his own twisted view of the world.  I'd say Jeter's premise is more plausible, being that it's this late in the game that he came out with it, but you still can't know.
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                  • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 5:14 pm ET)
                       
                    If Novak were smart he'd have attributed the remark (Obama's campaign being a fairy tale) to Brazile.

                    He clearly didn't. He stated it as a fact.
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                    • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 6:18 pm ET)
                         

                      FROM NOVAK'S COLUMN & can be found in the MMFA article:

                      But other African Americans were incensed by the Clinton vetting of Obama. Donna Brazile, who was national campaign manager for Al Gore in 2000 and is neutral in this campaign as a CNN commentator, made the first criticism of Bill Clinton anyone had heard from her after he referred to Obama's candidacy as "a fairy tale."

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                      • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 6:48 pm ET)
                           
                        Thank you for proving my point.

                        Novak clearly doesn't attribute the Clinton misinterpretation to Brazile.

                        He doesn't even acknowledge it's a misinterpretation like any honest journalist would at this late date.

                        He simply states it as fact and runs with it.
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                        • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 6:57 pm ET)
                             

                          God you are hopeless.

                          Are you lacking in reading comprehension & logic or just stuborn?

                          I've never known anyone to be so clueless or just so blatantly dishonest.

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                          • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 7:02 pm ET)
                               
                            Exactly which part of Novak saying "after he referred to Obama's candidacy as "a fairy tale." don't you understand.

                            This is not Novak quoting Brazile. This is not Novak accepting the misinterpretation as fact because Brazile did.

                            He's stating the misinterpretation as fact all on his own.
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                            • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 7:21 pm ET)
                                 

                              OK Johnny ONE MORE TIME & then we're done.

                              You claimed in an earlier post that Novak could have come to this conclusion on his own. Obviously he did not as he cites Donna Brazile. He obviously agreed with her.

                              Now since then she as said she would give Bill Clinton the benefit of the doubt [paraphrasing here so you don't get flustered & tell me that's not exactly how she put it] but Novak is continuing to voice Brazile's original assessment.

                              If you still don't get it I can't help you.

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                              • Author by achrispage6992 (January 17, 2008 7:24 pm ET)
                                   
                                Game, set, match, Jeter. Well done.
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                                • Author by jeter2 (January 18, 2008 7:46 am ET)
                                     

                                  Thanks Chris, but to be fair my opponent pretty much gave me the match hitting volley after volley into the net ;-)

                                  I've come to realize that there are some folks here who are so partisan that trying to debate them is pointless. They lie, parse, and when that doesn't work they try to move the goalposts--or in this instance, the net.

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                              • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 7:49 pm ET)
                                   
                                The fact that Novak and the far right are carrying on about this long after Brazile dropped it further proves my point.

                                It may be a point of historical interest to note this started within the Democratic primary campaign but it it absolutely irrelevant to what's going on now.
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                                • Author by jeter2 (January 18, 2008 7:49 am ET)
                                     

                                  It may be a point of historical interest to note this started within the Democratic primary campaign but it it absolutely irrelevant to what's going on now.

                                  Yeah I'm sure that would be your opinion IF it were the other way around.

                                  IF Brazile hadn't brought it up in the first place, then other race-baiters & Clinton haters join in, it would have never gotten this far & Novak would never have written what he did.

                                  Is the Right enjoying this & joining in now? You bet. But it started with your beloved Dems.

                                  You reap what you sow.

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                              • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 7:57 pm ET)
                                   
                                "Obviously he did not as he cites Donna Brazile."

                                Where does Novak say "Brazile said" or "according to Brazile"?

                                That's how you cite someone.

                                Otherwise you're just hoping someone who hasn't followed the story, and believe it or not there are lots who haven't, will make the connection on their own without any evidence someone is being cited just like you have.
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                                • Author by jeter2 (January 18, 2008 7:53 am ET)
                                     

                                  Where does Novak say "Brazile said" or "according to Brazile"?

                                  Donna Brazile, who was national campaign manager for Al Gore in 2000 and is neutral in this campaign as a CNN commentator, made the first criticism of Bill Clinton

                                  MADE

                                  What you're gonna argue that he didn't write SAID?

                                  Give me a break. What do you think MADE means here??

                                  Go away Johnny, you obviously aren't an opponent worthy of my time.

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                  • Author by jeter2 (January 17, 2008 5:17 pm ET)
                       

                    dbeden,

                    This story has been in the media for a few weeks now & the claim that Clinton somehow was calling Obama's candidacy a "fairy-tale" was the heart of the controversy. To claim that Novak didn't hear/read this & came up with it on his own is ludicrous.

                    Johnny is either playing dumbass here or he's just a pig-headed partisan.

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                    • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 17, 2008 5:22 pm ET)
                         
                      Novak doesn't attribute the "Clinton said.." to Brazile's interpretation of the events.

                      He doesn't attribute it to Braziles misreading (intentional or not) of Clinton's statement.

                      He states it as fact.

                      There's a big, big difference in the world of journalism.
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                      • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (January 18, 2008 10:51 am ET)
                           
                        The problem is you have no idea how you cite someone.

                        Yes, "Brazile said" or "according to Brazile" or "when Brazile accused Clinton of..." are important qualifiers.

                        Instead Novak simply states "when Clinton..."

                        It's clear Novak is misstating what Clinton said and he isn't attributing it to Brazile. He's stating it as a fact.

                        You're trying to twist the facts to fit your theory, assuming words that aren't there are there, and that's not the way it works.
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                        • Author by jeter2 (January 18, 2008 1:59 pm ET)
                             

                          Donna Brazile, who was national campaign manager for Al Gore in 2000 and is neutral in this campaign as a CNN commentator, made the first criticism of Bill Clinton

                          MADE

                          What you're gonna argue that he didn't write SAID?

                          Give me a break. What do you think MADE means here??

                          Go away Johnny, you obviously aren't an opponent worthy of my time.

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    • Author by SFnomad (January 17, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
         
      Novakula, lying? I'm shocked I tell you, simply shocked.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (January 17, 2008 8:54 pm ET)
         

      Hey, what happenned?

      Novak just keeping his hands warm would be my guess.

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