Morning Joe hosts launched misleading attacks on Obama over state Senate votes
SUMMARY: Joe Scarborough and Willie Geist ridiculed Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) for "push[ing] the wrong button" when casting votes as an Illinois state senator. But they failed to make clear that, according to the Los Angeles Times article they were referencing (which addressed only five of the six alleged mistaken votes), Obama stated that he had voted the wrong way and asked that the record reflect that fact for each of those five votes when he actually cast them in the Illinois state Senate.
On the January 24 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, co-hosts Joe Scarborough and Willie Geist ridiculed Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) for "push[ing] the wrong button" when casting votes as an Illinois state senator, referring to a Los Angeles Times article from that day reporting: "During his eight years in state office, Obama cast more than 4,000 votes. Of those, according to transcripts of the proceedings in Springfield, he hit the wrong button at least six times." Co-host Mika Brzezinski noted that the article quoted Obama saying of two such votes, "I pressed the wrong button on that," and "I pressed the wrong button by accident," to which Geist responded: "Come on, Barack. That's weak." Scarborough added: "Oh, come on. What are you doing?" However, Geist, Scarborough, and Brzezinski failed to make clear that, according to the Times article -- which addressed only five of the six alleged mistaken votes -- Obama stated that he had voted the wrong way and asked that the record reflect that fact for each of those five votes when he actually cast them in the Illinois state Senate. Rather, Scarborough and Geist both used the present tense in referring to Obama's comments, suggesting he is only now acknowledging the errors. Scarborough asked: "No, he's not saying that, is he?" and Geist said: "He's saying that he pushed the wrong button?"
Additionally, Brzezinski, Scarborough, and Geist failed to note that according to the Times article: "The rules allow state lawmakers to clear up a mishap if they suffered from a momentary case of stumbly fingers or a lapse in attention. Correcting the record is common practice in the Illinois Legislature, where lawmakers routinely cast numerous votes in a hurry." Rather, Scarborough, a former Republican member of the House of Representatives from Florida, suggested that the assertion that one casts a vote by mistake is not plausible: "I voted tens of thousands of times, and you know -- there is a green button that says 'Yea' .. and there is a red button that says 'Nay' ... and then there's a yellow button that ... says 'Abstain.' "
However, according to the Congressional Record for March 30, 2000, as a member of the House of Representatives, following a roll call vote in which Scarborough was recorded as voting "aye," Scarborough stated on the floor of the House: "I inadvertently voted 'yes.' I meant to vote 'no.' "
During a January 24 washingtonpost.com online discussion, Post congressional blogger and former Roll Call reporter Paul Kane, when asked about the Times article by a reader, wrote:
I really don't know the rules of the Illinois legislature, and this is not a defense of Obama, more an explanation of the rules here in Congress. folks, you'd be amazed how many times these men and women here vote the wrong way. And, if they make a good-faithed effort soon enough after a vote, it is officially switched here in the US Senate.
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Happens a lot more than you'd realize.
From the January 24 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:
BRZEZINSKI: And you know, the one thing we haven't brought up, as we bring up this sort of rift between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and look ahead to South Carolina this Saturday, which we'll be covering, is these reports coming out that he bungled votes -- that he pushed the wrong button. Have you seen this? And he's getting --
SCARBOROUGH: No, he's not saying that, is he?
BRZEZINSKI: He's not saying --
GEIST: He pushed the wrong button?
SCARBOROUGH: He's saying that he pushed the wrong button?
GEIST: No.
BRZEZINSKI: At least five times during his eight years in the state office, Obama cast a vote and then said he had hit the wrong button.
SCARBOROUGH: No, he did not.
BRZEZINSKI: Uh-huh.
SCARBOROUGH: No, he didn't.
GEIST: Joe, you voted.
SCARBOROUGH: I --
GEIST: How often did you hit the wrong button?
SCARBOROUGH: I voted tens of thousands of times, and you know -- there is a green button that says "Yea" --
BRZEZINSKI: Yeah.
SCARBOROUGH: -- and there is a red button that says "Nay" --
GEIST: I thought so.
SCARBOROUGH: -- and then there's a yellow button that --
BRZEZINSKI: So, like --
SCARBOROUGH: -- says "Abstain."
BRZEZINSKI: -- March 11, 1999, a vote against legislation to end good-behavior credits on felons, "I pressed he wrong button on that," he said. "I pressed the wrong button by accident."
GEIST: Come on, Barack. That's weak.
SCARBOROUGH: Oh, come on. What are you doing?
BRZEZINSKI: But apparently, he tried to change it after. I mean, I don't know. Anyhow --
SCARBOROUGH: Oh, my God.
GEIST: We need an explanation on that.
BRZEZINSKI: Hey, Shuster. Can Shuster weigh in on that?
SCARBOROUGH: David Shuster, what about this? Barack Obama votes -- he passes on a lot of votes --
BRZEZINSKI: Well, no, no. I think that's --
SCARBOROUGH: No, no, he passed -- he voted present on a lot of votes.
BRZEZINSKI: OK, it was a small amount, though -- thousands.
SCARBOROUGH: And now -- it wasn't a small amount.
BRZEZINSKI: And it was -- there were legal issues involved in some of those present votes.
SCARBOROUGH: OK, all I can say is --
BRZEZINSKI: And just think --
SCARBOROUGH: -- I cast thousands and thousands of votes, I don't think I ever voted present. But anyway --
BRZEZINSKI: OK.
SCARBOROUGH: -- maybe they do things --
SHUSTER: You know what?
SCARBOROUGH: -- differently in Illinois, but here now we have a story that -- from the LA Times, suggesting that Barack Obama said he accidentally pressed the wrong button in casting votes while he was in the Illinois state legislature.
GEIST: Wow.
BRZEZINSKI: Shuster?
SHUSTER: You know what, Joe? If this story is true, it is outrageous. I mean, how can Barack Obama, who's now running for the president, have pushed the wrong buttons? I mean, that's your key -- I mean, it's not as if he had all these other distractions. Your job as a state legislator or a member of the U.S. Senate is to know exactly what you're voting on. And if you don't know what you're voting on or you're confused, then you ask somebody.
But to push the wrong button, and then to say, "Oh, you know, I was confused and made a mistake"? No, that is not acceptable. You're running for the president, you need to be prepared, you need to know -- you need to take your positions seriously and know exactly what you're doing. And I think -- I mean, if this story is true, I just think it's inexcusable. It's inexcusable.
SCARBOROUGH: It seems like a silly excuse, actually, to try to get around certain votes. But, maybe, again, maybe it's -- maybe there are a lot of distractions in the Illinois state legislature that you don't have on the floors of Congress. I don't get it.
From the January 24 Los Angeles Times article:
Barack Obama angered fellow Democrats in the Illinois Senate when he voted to strip millions of dollars from a child welfare office on Chicago's West Side. But Obama had a ready explanation: He goofed.
"I was not aware that I had voted no," he said that day in June 2002, asking that the record be changed to reflect that he "intended to vote yes."
That was not the only misfire for the former civil rights attorney first elected to the state Senate in 1996. During his eight years in state office, Obama cast more than 4,000 votes. Of those, according to transcripts of the proceedings in Springfield, he hit the wrong button at least six times.
The rules allow state lawmakers to clear up a mishap if they suffered from a momentary case of stumbly fingers or a lapse in attention. Correcting the record is common practice in the Illinois Legislature, where lawmakers routinely cast numerous votes in a hurry.
But some lawmakers say the practice also offers a relatively painless way to placate both sides of a difficult issue. Even if a lawmaker admits an error, the actual vote stands and the official record merely shows the senator's "intent."
No one has accused Obama, now a U.S. senator and a leading candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, of changing votes to play both sides, and an Obama spokesman called that idea "absurd."
But Obama has come under fire from Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina for his frequent use of another oddity of Illinois politics: voting "present" rather than casting up-or-down votes on controversial measures.
"It is very difficult having a straight-up debate with you, because you never take responsibility for any vote, and that has been a pattern," Clinton told him in a debate Monday.
Tommy Vietor, an Obama spokesman, said the mistaken votes were not meaningful. "In Illinois, legislators often have just a few seconds to cast a vote, so after thousands of votes they're bound to make a few mistakes," he said. Referring to Clinton's vote to authorize the war in Iraq and her support for a bankruptcy measure, Vietor added, "The real problem is when Democrats vote like Republicans."
Four of Obama's admitted flubs drew little controversy.
On March 19, 1997, he announced he had fumbled an election-reform vote the day before, on a measure that passed 51 to 6: "I was trying to vote yes on this, and I was recorded as a no," he said. The next day, he acknowledged voting "present" on a key telecommunications vote.
He stood on March 11, 1999, to take back his vote against legislation to end good-behavior credits for certain felons in county jails. "I pressed the wrong button on that," he said.
Obama was the lone dissenter on Feb. 24, 2000, against 57 yeas for a ban on human cloning. "I pressed the wrong button by accident," he said.
But two of Obama's bumbles came on more-sensitive topics. On Nov. 14, 1997, he backed legislation to permit riverboat casinos to operate even when the boats were dockside.
The measure, pushed by the gambling industry and fought by church groups whose support Obama was seeking, passed with two "yeas" to spare -- including Obama's. Moments after its passage he rose to say, "I'd like to be recorded as a no vote," explaining that he had mistakenly voted for it.
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On June 11, 2002, Obama's vote sparked a confrontation after he joined Republicans to block Democrats trying to override a veto by GOP Gov. George Ryan of a $2-million allotment for the west Chicago child welfare office.
Shortly afterward, Obama chastised Republicans for their "sanctimony" in claiming that only they had the mettle to make tough choices in a tight budget year. And he called for "responsible budgeting."
A fellow Democrat suddenly seethed with anger. "You got a lot of nerve to talk about being responsible," said Sen. Rickey Hendon, accusing Obama of voting to close the child welfare office.
Obama replied right away. "I understand Sen. Hendon's anger. . . . I was not aware that I had voted no on that last -- last piece of legislation," he said.
Obama asked that the record reflect that he meant to vote yes. Then he requested that Hendon "ask me about a vote before he names me on the floor."
If they're going to use this to beat up Obama, which they will...shouldn't they at least look into it a little further? This is exactly the kind of lazy "journalism" that was used to hammer Gore and Kerry, and gave us 8 years of President Numbnuts. We can't afford it any more.
he may have pushed the wrong button, gotten confused, or was distracted.
Maybe it was a vote against a motion opposing a move to rescind an amendment rejecting an effort to remove a restriction on ...
If anyone's ever watched much CSPAN you know that I'm only slightly exaggerating what comes up for votes when constructing a bill. I also know that most legislators who spend significant time in office will admit they've occasionally voted differently than they meant to. This isn't a big deal and no one should be criticized too severely, depending on the significance of the individual item.
Maybe it was a vote against a motion opposing a move to rescind an amendment rejecting an effort to remove a restriction on ...
LOL !! I hear you !
Apparently if you press the wrong button you can insert that you did into the record but your vote still stands.
The morning crew at MSNBC didn't do as good a job as explaining this as the crew did last night.
It's embarassing to have to admit something like this but it's better the information come out now than as a surprise during the general election campaign.
And Joe was poking fun at Obama noting that “when he was in Congress” he never pushed the wrong button – and emphasizing the FIVE times.
Those of you who already wrote this one off as laughable are kidding yourself – this will come back in Obama’s face from now till the election, and beyond. It doesn’t take much for the wingnuts to make a mountain from a molehill.
No, I despise Republicans, Anyone reading my posts on issues such as the economy, the war and Bush would know that. Just because I think for myself and do not look at things with Partisan glasses does not make one a "Republican".
As for Black and White , I ask the same question. Not for me though but from lowlifes like MSNBCs Morning Joe Crew, who are used here as an example because they hate John Gibson. Do not give them any credibility, just because they hate Gibson does not mean they should be given a thread where we all agree with them. Imus says Dick Cheney is a War Criminal, I have never seen a thread agreeing with that from MMFA. Or that OReilly lies, where is that thread when Imus called him a liar last winter?
I agree, they could put threads in different catagories
1) MSNBC Hosts who hate FOX
2) MSNBC Hosts who agree with MMFA
3) Other Media outlets who agree with MMFA
4) Other Media outlets who hate FOX
5) Misinformation against Hillary Clinton
6) Misinformation about GOPs not being Mavericks and skipping New Hampshire
7) All other Misinformation
8) Imus
9) OReilly
10) All others
Ha ha! Sue you crack me up ;-)
And I mean that in a good way :-)
Sue
That is the funniest post of the day!!! Do not agree with some of it, but I get your point.
context, Sue, context!
Is this not two separate issues? Can't someone misinform the public on one thing, but be truthful on another?
Can't someone misinform the public on one thing, but be truthful on another?
Yes but giving them credibility even when they are truthful causes problems. Imus calls the VP a War Criminal, he may be correct but should he be given kudos ?
Other than being kinda funny & a tad embarrassing I'm sure this won't be blown up into a huge deal, nor do I think any of Obama's opponents would use it against him. I'm sure it's happen to others at least once or twice.
That MMFA would try to discredit Joe S. by doing an extensive search into his record just to find ONE mishap in order to exonerate Obama as being thought of as careless airhead is funnier than Obama hitting the wrong button.
I do wonder just what we are paying our lawmakers to do? They have speechwriters & huge staffs that do their research. I suppose it's too much to ask that they be capable of hitting the correct button when voting ;-)
Remember that butterfly ballot debacle ? Well I was wondering then how the h*ll someone could not punch the right holes on a ballot ... until I saw the actual ballot !
I want to see these buttons that the legislators have to press.
Atheist,
We have those punch ballots here in Massachusetts for State & Federal elections [paper ballots for Local elections.] I've never had a problem with them but they might be a bit different than what was used in Florida.
I'm not sure why anyone would get confused pushing one of the 3 distinctly colored buttons, but I'd be curious to see the process.
Nevermind, it's red yellow and green in Illinois too:
To register a vote in the Illinois General Assembly, lawmakers have a choice of three buttons on their desk. The "yes" button is green. The "no" button is red, and the "present" button is yellow, says Rich Miller, who writes and publishes The Capitol Fax, a daily newsletter and blog on Illinois politics.
"There's a saying in Springfield that there's a reason why the present button is yellow," Miller says.
I agree J2, this won't be a deal breaker for Obama by any means, especially since you can trot out examples of other senators and congressmen voting the opposite of the way they intended.
What is telling is the fact that our system allows this to occur.
This reminds me of a Daily Show episode from a couple of years ago. They interviewed some congressman, and he said, on camera, that no one really reads everything that comes in front of them. If they did, that's all they would do.
That is a major problem. MAJOR.