On Fox News, Cunningham repeatedly referred to Obama as "Barack Hussein Obama"
SUMMARY: On Hannity's America, conservative radio talk-show host Bill Cunningham repeatedly called Sen. Barack Obama "Barack Hussein Obama." Discussing the Democratic presidential primaries, Cunningham asserted: "I've had a couple individuals tell me that after the so-called 'white voters' in Iowa and New Hampshire weighed in heavily, especially in Iowa, for Barack Hussein Obama and then in New Hampshire, Hillary kind of made a little bit of a comeback. There has been a conscious effort by Bubba [Bill] Clinton to smear and to slime Barack Hussein Obama on the race issue."
During the January 27 edition of Fox News' Hannity's America, conservative radio talk-show host Bill Cunningham repeatedly called Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) "Barack Hussein Obama." Discussing the Democratic presidential primaries with host Sean Hannity, Cunningham asserted: "Sean, I've had a couple individuals tell me that after the so-called 'white voters' in Iowa and New Hampshire weighed in heavily, especially in Iowa, for Barack Hussein Obama and then in New Hampshire, Hillary kind of made a little bit of a comeback. There has been a conscious effort by Bubba [Bill] Clinton to smear and to slime Barack Hussein Obama on the race issue." Cunningham also asserted: "Barack may win, but he's been slimed by Bubba, and there's nothing he can do about it. The Clintons know what they are doing, and I'm afraid Barack Hussein Obama does not." Later, Cunningham predicted that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY) will "sweep" the February 5 primaries and claimed: "It's going to happen because the Clintonistas knew they had to slime Barack just like they slimed Ken Starr to get their way. They give the goodies to the Marc Riches, and they slime people like Ken Starr, Kathleen Willey, and Barack Hussein Obama. And the poor guy is so naïve, he can't figure out what's going on."
Cunningham has previously referred to Obama as "Barack Mohammed Hussein Obama" despite the fact that "Mohammed" is not a part of Obama's name.
A search of the Nexis database showed that Cunningham has appeared on Fox News' Hannity & Colmes 19 times, most recently on December 19. Cunningham has also appeared twice on Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, most recently during the November 6, 2007, edition. Discussing an amateur video that had surfaced showing a New Jersey high school teacher "screaming at his class and pulling the chair from underneath a student who refused to stand for the national anthem" during the March 3, 2005, edition of Hannity & Colmes, Cunningham said that "we need more teachers beating people [students] about the face and head, especially on the derriere."
From the January 27 edition of Fox News' Hannity's America:
HANNITY: And good evening, everyone. Welcome to an all-new edition of Hannity's America. We get right to our top story tonight -- the race to the White House. Now, we're in the final stretch. There are less than two weeks from Super Tuesday, and it's still anyone's game.
And for all the latest on the campaign trail, we bring back our two-on-two panel. On my side, radio talk-show host -- we call him "The Great One Number Two" -- Bill Cunningham from WLW, also nationally syndicated. Our well-meaning liberal friends, Democratic strategist Tanya Acker and Fox News political analyst Kirsten Powers.
Bill Cunningham, you're a great American. Welcome back.
CUNNINGHAM: Sean, it's always good to be with a man like you.
HANNITY: I don't know how to take that, but it's always good to see you. Let's start with the contention on the campaign trail going on all week here. We've got the Democrats, all throughout the party, are angry and beginning to lash out at Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton claims the Obama camp is starting a hit campaign against him and stirring up race issues. What's going on with the Democratic side?
CUNNINGHAM: Sean, I've had a couple individuals tell me that after the so-called "white voters" in Iowa and New Hampshire weighed in heavily, especially in Iowa, for Barack Hussein Obama and then in New Hampshire, Hillary kind of made a little bit of a comeback. There has been a conscious effort by Bubba Clinton to smear and to slime Barack Hussein Obama on the race issue. The most dangerous place to be in politics, as Kirsten I'm sure knows, is between a desired goal and the Clintonistas, because you will get run over. You will get [Jeff] Gillooly and the Tonya Harding --
HANNITY: Let me ask you this question: Do you think this is a strategy of the Clintons'? In other words, is the strategy to -- for Bill to step in because Hillary has all these unfavorable ratings, absorb -- in other words, he becomes the more unlikable Clinton to sort of make her a more likable figure? Do you think this is a strategy on their part?
CUNNINGHAM: Sean, the Clintons are not major-league hit men, they are Hall of Famers. And they had the meeting, they decided that Bubba was going to be the vice-presidential hit man and that Hillary will rise above the fracas. And he was going to get Barack in the mud, and when you fight with pigs in the mud, you come up dirty even if you win. Barack may win, but he's been slimed by Bubba, and there's nothing he can do about it. The Clintons know what they are doing, and I'm afraid Barack Hussein Obama does not.
HANNITY: Tanya, is this a strate-- you're laughing. Is this a strategy of the Clintons'?
ACKER: I'm laughing for so many reasons. First off, the slime machine is coming from people like Bill who love to throw out this "Barack Hussein Obama," as if most Americans --
HANNITY: Whoa, whoa, whoa. Wait a minute.
ACKER: -- wait a second -- as if they're not smart enough --
[crosstalk]
HANNITY: Wait a minute. [Former Sen.] Bob Kerrey [D-NE], a Clinton surrogate, uses the same name. And there's been a lot of Clinton surrogates that brought up the drug use, maybe drug dealing --
ACKER: There is -- let me first address the issue of this purported feud between the Clintons and Obama campaign. This is absolutely media-driven. You guys enjoy talking --
HANNITY: You guys?
ACKER: -- about it more than any Americans. I mean, you right-leaning people.
HANNITY: You right-leaning people?
ACKER: I'm trying to be respectful.
HANNITY: That's what we are, Bill.
ACKER: You right-leaning people.
HANNITY: We are a bunch of right-leaning people, Bill Cunningham.
CUNNINGHAM: The moderate middle, the moderate middle.
ACKER: You enjoy talking about this more than any American enjoys hearing about it. And I've got to say, you don't sound very moderate to me.
HANNITY: Oh, I don't sound moderate to you. Well, I don't think there's anything you can cite that's extreme here. You know, Kirsten, back to Tanya's criticism about Bill using Barack Obama's full name. Now, Bob Kerrey did it as a surrogate for Hillary. And then Hillary responded in saying, "No, that was meant to be a compliment." So why would you -- why would Bill Cunningham, radio talk-show host, be chastised and not Bob Kerrey?
POWERS: I don't know. I mean, if that's what he wants to call him, he can call him his name. I mean, I really don't care. I have to say that, you know, Sean, I don't think -- I don't really usually like to defend you, but I have to say, I don't think you're the only person who's interested in the feud between Bill and Barack, which is a very real feud. But I do agree that this is something the media has latched on to and has just fallen in love with, and it's become the only narrative. But I do think the fight's a real fight. I mean, I think that's undeniable.
HANNITY: All right. But Kirsten, here's the question: Do you think it's a strategy of the Clintons'? Did they think this up to draw attention away from Hillary, or do you think this is a compulsive, out-of-control, angry ex-president?
POWERS: It's not. No, he's not out of control. And I think everything they do, for the most part, is strategic. I don't -- I think it's more that they had to engage him, that he wasn't really -- his record wasn't really being questioned. And the first time Bill Clinton really came out and really went after him was right before New Hampshire, and started saying -- well, and a little bit before, you know, the "roll the dice" thing and the night before New Hampshire. And I think it was just more that they had to break through because it just wasn't getting out there. And Barack Obama was taking off, and they had to do something.
HANNITY: Bill Cunningham, earlier in the week, Bill Clinton suggested that his wife may lose the South Carolina race, which we have been reporting on, because many black voters are siding with Barack Obama. And as I listen to that I said, "Oh, so, is he suggesting that the only reason voters in South Carolina are voting for Barack Obama is because they're black?"
CUNNINGHAM: Look what's going on, because I think the Clintonistas are doing now to Barack what they did to Ken Starr, what they did to Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick.
POWERS: Oh, yeah. Poor Ken Starr.
CUNNINGHAM: They're sliming him to such an extent, and they have made this issue about race. There are more white Democrats than black Democrats.
She's going to sweep, I think, Super Tuesday coming up in, what, about nine days. It's going to happen because the Clintonistas knew they had to slime Barack just like they slimed Ken Starr to get their way. They give the goodies to the Marc Riches, and they slime people like Ken Starr, Kathleen Willey, and Barack Hussein Obama. And the poor guy is so naïve --
POWERS: I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I can't listen to this, Sean.
CUNNINGHAM: -- he can't figure out what's going on.
CUNNINGHAM: Sean, it's always good to be with a man like you.
He also sounds like something else.
Isn't that his name?
Anyone ever have a problem with John Fitzgerald Kennedy?..
...Franklin Delano Roosevelt?
...Dwight David Eisenhower?
...Willaim Jefferson Clntoon?
Yes, Franklin DELANO Roosevelt is such a perjorative, foolish person.
So you're not a big fan of the New Deal either, huh?
It's really no big secret that his really crappy fiscal decisions worsened and lengthened the depression.
Don't even get me started on the whole internment thing. What a racist d*#k
Wow..JJ..I'm really surprised you're giving these views. There may be hope for you after all.
Oh look! Someone let the patron saint of racial ranting out of his klan meeting early!
Let us know when you have a point, cause the one on your head don't count...
Oh look! Someone let the patron saint of racial ranting out of his klan meeting early!
snoopy / Tuesday January 29, 2008 6:41:23 PM EST
I'm sure you have examples of "racial ranting" on my part because folks that throw out reckless, unfounded, gratuitous accusations make themselves look like lying A-holes..
...and you would never do that...would you?
No, you don't, because I did not. Funny how you don't list any, aint it?
This is so typical of the left...and might I say...very Clintonian
...and I don't know why you are denying that you have made any racist remarks since I never made the claim..
Are you feeling guilty about something?
Don't even get me started on the whole internment thing. What a racist d*#k
Oh, look! That was just today! No facts, just a thrown out opinion. I don't need to keep going through the archives, you know it, but hey, use whatever life jacket you need to keep denying the truth.
And I like how you use reichwing fallback #1 - wait an hour and then try to post some witty reply, assuming I won't be back. Makes you think you got one!
And on to point #3... I'm still waiting for you to post just one thing that may have a basis in fact. C,mon, you are the accuser. I only have to defend your slimy accusations. Post a fact, fer christ's sake!
Don't even get me started on the whole internment thing. What a racist d*#k
Oh, look! That was just today!
So...you don't actually have any examples of "racial ranting" on my part. Whoda thunk?
Not surprised yoo didn't recognize that as a racial rant. You just accused FDR of being a racist, and now deny it...
got yer hood back from the cleaners yet, or did you leave it in st. cloud by accident?
Nope...he was a racist. I stand by that.
What you tried to imply...and failed miserably in doing so...was that I was racist. You do remember the klan references, dontcha? Trying to back off them now, are ya?
Typical.
I didn't try anything. I did. Slept real well last night too.
And as expected, awoke to see more garbage. Typical, can't make a point so just sling out some mud. Prove FDR was a racist. Let's see you post an actual fact that proves he hated the Japanese americans.
wait an hour and then try to post some witty reply, assuming I won't be back.
Sorry...I'll drop everything in order to be more timely.
I'm flattered you think I'm witty though.
Stranger,
Why doesn't Cunningham refer to the President as George Walker Bush? Why doesn't he refer to any other candidates by all three names? Why did he add Mohammed to Obama's name once?
Cinningham calls himself and Hannity the "moderate middle". Yeah sure.
Only for people who consider John McCain or Mitt Romney "liberals".
Great Americans don't need to be announced.
After all Hussein is actually his name so who's worse Kennedy or Cunningham?
How's that?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APx2YJ-_jos
What part of Media Matters for America's mission statement don't you understand?
Is Ted Kennedy conservative? Is Ted Kennedy part of the U.S. media? Why do we have to keep pointing this out?
HANNITY: "Bill Cunningham, you're a great American. Welcome back."
That just about says it all, except...
HANNITY: "Oh, I don't sound moderate to you. Well, I don't think there's anything you can cite that's extreme here."
Too funny to even comment further...
My wife gets irritated with me whenever I repeat myself, example, I might say the som thing and then say it again but using the words in a different order.......
I'm just a regular joe and am not paid to be on TV to report or entertain, as is the case on FOX, but when I see or hear someone that is supposedly a 'professional' repeating a phrase or word (in this case Obama's middle name) it comes across more as an arrogant manager telling his new employees the same thing over and over knowingly having zero respect for those new employees by presuming they don't have the capacity to learn the first time, or in the case of Cunningham, no respect for his listeners that they don't already know that his middle name is Hussein.
Which begs the question....... who the hell cares?
Except perhaps closet racists?
"Cunningham has previously referred to Obama as "Barack Mohammed Hussein Obama" despite the fact that "Mohammed" is not a part of Obama's name."
Gee, what do you think he's trying to do here, eh?
WORK,
I do agree that I shouldn't have used that word in such a way so quickly.....
But when someone uses Obama's middle name and inflects it at every mention of his name that does become a potential for race being at the root of it?
You are also correct when you mention that people use Hillary's middle too.... but I have yet to hear Hannity or BillO or even Coulter, when speaking about Hillary calling her Hillary Rodham Clinton as opposed to just Hillary or Hillary Clinton, which they do almost every time, so why then use Hussein each time for him?
This also makes me think, how many times does Cunningham or any of these clowns make judicious use of Huckabee's or Rudy's or Mitt's or McCain's middle name? Why only is Barracks mentioned over and over?
Which is exactly why my initial use of racism came to mind because I don't see anything 'terroristy' or Muslim like with Rodham as I do with Hussein.
Which was my point to begin with!
As I recall it was the fashion amongst the intellectual giants of talk radio to overemphasize the "Rodham" when saying Hillary's full name for a while. Limbaugh still does it.
The less than subtle message here is that Hillary is such an evil, castrating feminist that she can't do like a good Christian conservative woman should and quietly take her husband's last name and be thankful for it.
Bill "Bigot" Cunningham on the air..
Cunningham is from Cincinnati. His listening base if from the same area of the state that swung Ohio for Bush in 2004. The same area that produces religious nuts by the bushel. (They are behind a state law that mandates that strippers must stay 6 feet away from customers and are behind all the anti-casino factions in Ohio.
In other words - he doesn't speak for the intelligent, progressive people of Ohio.
Just like their other claims about Obama being a "devout Muslim" and attending a Madrassa that espoused Wahhabism.
http://obama.senate.gov/press/070123-debunked_insigh/index.php
"I think it was on the Web site for about a week," Miller said. "I was aware of it the whole time, but was not aware that a couple things in the article were not factual."
Miller chairs the county's Republican party.
http://jondevore.blogspot.com/2008/01/clark-gop-chair-didn.html
All forms of media consistently use "hillary rodham clinton" when reporting on her. Why is it a problem for someone to use "barack hussein obama?"
What if a liberal had used barack's full name? We wouldn't have heard a word about it from MMFA, thats for sure. Proportionately, barack's middle name is used far less in the media than hillary's.
The only thing barack's middle name does is remind the American voter that he was born and raised in muslim surroundings. I'm not saying that's bad, but I certainly think that fact should be out there.
Bottom line, Obama isn't the only one whose middle name gets used; and it's not conservative's fault that the name "hussein" makes liberals squirm.
Johhny, what's your take on this? My first impression is that the wingnuts actually get this,but are pretending not to understand this.I don't really know what the motive would be, usually playing dumb doesn't convince others to be dumb, and they would most likely come up with some different flavors of stoopid, just to make it look convincing.
But, then I realize they all are not getting it, but in exactly the same way.They can't all have the same learning disability, the odds against all of them being identically confused is a longshot, so I have to figure this is what they're being fed.
That's what I want your ( or anyone's)take on.Is this a case of severe gullibility, or projecting their own stoopid?
He hasn't, he was saying there's a lot of pants-peeing on your side about "terrorist", which YOU are clearly equating to "terrorist."
Assuming "John" is your name, I'll just assume you're a serial killer from Chicago, a la John Wayne Gacey, and then we'll call it even between you and Obama.
How fitting since she thinks she will one day be queen.
Princess Diane Clinton.
That's the ticket!!
His is the only middle name that gets used. As others have pointed out to you, Rodham is Hillary's maiden name. Ignorant of the facts much? You MUST be a Hannity/Rush/Boortz/Savage listener.
Nobody is using anyone's middle name except for Barack Obama's. Do you use your middle name? Do I? I can tell you that I don't. I know that most of the time, most people don't use their middle names when using all 3. Why is it different for Obama? Oh right, because he shares a common name amongst people in the Muslim world, and shares a common name with a deposed decapitated dictator.
John,
You are just acting willfully ignorant here, you know the connotation that people like Cunningham are trying to lay out there, and it's sleazy and transparent.
We have every right to scrutinize each candidate and decide for ourselves who to support, or who not to support. If people want to vote against Obama because of his middle name, they have that right. And Cunningham has the right to bait those voters in an attempt to scare them somehow to vote for his Republican candidate because he has some hidden fears of debating him straight up, but feels he must resort to such unfounded fear mongering.
It says far more about the weakness of Obama's opponents than anything about Obama, perhaps Cunningham and the rest should think about that instead.
John,
Would you debate someone who didn't limit himself to the truth or cheap shots?
Plus, even if his middle name is Muslim, heck even if he was Muslim, are you ignorant enough to let that disqualify him? Where do we live, John? Are all not created equal in your America?
I know enough:
"I am not running for president. I am not running for president in four years. I am not running for president in 2008."...--Barack Obama, Nov. 3, 2004
At least Clinton and Bush waited till they got in office to lie about stuff. Also, I'm guessing you do not have a very close connections to Chicago politics, which I happen to have through my job. It's nasty. Obama isn't going to "change" anything.
John,
Are you seriously saying that people can't change their minds about politics in four years? You must hate all of the Republicans who promised they would term limit themselves.
You REALLY must hate the current occupant of the White House who suggested a humble foreign policy. Or was he allowed to change his mind?
Let's have more fun with wingnut logic!!
According to Numbered John, Chicago politics is so nasty that Obama's connections to it make him a nasty, lying criminal.
Numbered John also says he has close connections to Chicago politics because of his job.
That makes Numbered John a nasty, lying criminal.
Further, Obama's middle name means he's a terrorist. We all know that terrorists spread like cockroaches and that everything they touch is also automagically filled with terrorists. That means Chicago politics must therefore be crawling with terrorists. Which means that Numbered John, due to his connections, IS A TERRORIST!!!!
Wow, this stuff is easy and fun. I can kind of see now what McCarthy liked about it.
Yup!
John is a crook and a terrorist. And since he is a Republican, and using his logic that we can make broad generlizations, that means all Republicans are terrorists!
John, If you seriously believe that Obama's allegiances are not with America first, then everything else should be irrelevant - vote NO, hands down. If I thought that for one minute, about any candidate, I wouldn't give them a second look, I don't believe most Americans would, regardless of party.
Unless I see evidence of that, I will not consider it.
"When you fundamentally disagree on his positions on the issues, you've got to move on to other things." -John
There it is folks, the thesis, the modus operandi, the apriorism if you will, of right wing talk radio.
Thanks, it's a great line I had there. It really applies to everything though...not just talk radio. Take scientfic research for example. When you already know something (like knowing one's political positions), the next logical step is to explore the unknown cloudy areas in order to discover more. Are mistakes made here? Yes. Are great discoveries made? Absolutely.
Do you like to make ridiculous analogies? Absolutely! Are you not afraid of smear? Absolutely! Are you a moron? Absolutely!
Wow! To reason like this is easy!
John,
If you fundamentally disagree with someone on the issues, debate the issues. Are you saying that if you fundamentally disagree with someone you move on to personal and petty attacks?
I would have respect for Cunningham if he laid out Obama's ideas and attempted to pick them apart and state his disagreement. Are you telling me that Cunningham and those like him can't or refuse to do that?
"Yup, that's what he's saying." - No, its not.
"He has already stated that having a name like "Hussein" connects you to terrorism" - No, I accused a liberal poster here of that, and it was more of an obviously bad joke than anything else.
"and he has already stated that since Obama is a liberal, we need not even discuss his politics" - Conservatives disagree with everything the guy stands for, what more is there to discuss? You want to hear the pundits talk non-stop about how much they despise his positions, and how wrong those positions are?
"but instead to move on to something else--that is, smear him as being a terrorist because of his middle name." - While Cunningham may have done that, I'm not suggesting that. I'm suggesting we look deep into the life of obama (and any serious candidate) and see what can be found to be true. Researching Obama's church is not attacking his character, researching his rise in chicago politics and rise to the US Senate is not attacking his character.
Oh please! So now you want to play Mr. Reasonable! You didn't accuse a liberal poster of that--you stated that Hussein was connected to terrorism. Don't try to pas off your own comments as jokes.
You have supported Cunningham's smears the whole time, and have added a few of your own, suggesting guilt by association. You like to post inflamatory comments, then pat yourself on the back ("damn, I'm good"), and now you want to suggest that you are just being reasonable.
"and he has already stated that since Obama is a liberal, we need not even discuss his politics" - Conservatives disagree with everything the guy stands for, what more is there to discuss? You want to hear the pundits talk non-stop about how much they despise his positions, and how wrong those positions are?
Yes, John, I want to hear why they disagree. I want to hear reasoned, logical analysis as to why Cunningham and those who don't like Obama disagree with his politics. I don't want to hear speculation about his religion based on the actions of his pastor because his pastor is not running for President. If the tenets of his church scare you, read up on some of the statements made by Huckabee or the tenets of Mormonism. If the tenets of Obama's faith don't work for you, move on. But to even THINK of holding his middle name or where he spent some years as a child as enough to disqualify him for President is bigoted. If you think, based on CONCRETE evidence that his background from Chicago disqualifies him, post the information. If you think that going to a school like he did as a child disqualifies him, post CONCRETE reasons why, not speculation.
Pundits and analysts SHOULD be paid to have reasoned debate with policies they don't agree with instead of engaging in gutter sniping. So, yes, John, I want reasoned political analysis, why is that unrealistic?
You beat me to it, Fried, but that's what I was going to answer. Yes, I would love to hear the right wing pundits discuss some issues. Yes, I would love to hear them explain why everything they disagree with is wrong. That would be one startling breath of fresh air.
Because all we get now is corporate news zombies chanting a scary middle name to their bedwetting zombies, and ridiculous non-debates with poorly made strawmen.
I can't believe that one of my fellow Americans would not only accept, but demand, from the media exactly what they're giving us;Immediate dismissal of opposing ideas,moving right along to vapid assault by trivia and distraction.
Believe it or not, John#####s, many Americans would love to have some open and honest discussion of ideas and political policy.Unfortunately, the target demographic of most media is represented by you, those who consider propaganda and smears the next logical step after disagreement.
Wow, I can't believe you really need to hear this from media figures: Obama believes in the "right" to abortion; this disgusts most every conservative because it is our opinion that abortion is murder, it destroys a human life. Obama believes in socialized health care; anyone who is at the very least fiscally conservative is opposed to this because it would bankrupt the health care system and lower the quality of the care we receive. It also give more to people who do nothing and don't deserve it. Evidence? Obama believes in gay marriage; conservatives obviously see this as an attack on the traditional family, and a severe perversion of American culture. Obama believes illegal aliens have something to offer us; many conservatives believe they should be forced to leave, and that Americans will fill their jobs. Obama thinks he can have little sit down conversations with the most radical fundamentalist Islamic leaders in the middle east and work things out diplomatically, conservatives have enough common sense to know that there is no way to dilpomatically tame the radical jihadist threat.
See, you already knew all of that. It is the basis of liberal vs. conservative opinion. Since those things are obvious to me and many others, I would like the media to dig into something like obama's connections and rise in chicago politics....because I don't know the details on that, all I know is that Chicago politics are cut throat, and the deals I have seen made with aldermen/state legislators have been very questionable.
Aside from all that...I'm going to have a president that wont even put his freaking hand over his heart during the national anthem? Please, at least get someone who can go through the motions and pretend he is slightly patriotic.
No, John, I've heard all of that stuff. The "feelings"
You "feel" that a fetus is a person, so you hate that somebody would like others to have a different opinion on the matter.
You "feel" that two people you don't even know getting married is a threat to your marriage, and don't like that somebody thinks the laws shouldn't be adjusted to coddle your hallucinations and insecurities.
You "believe" that Obama won't put his hand over his heart because you saw a picture claiming that.
We gewt a load of these emotions and feelings and delusions from the media. What some of us would like is some rational discussion of issues.But why would they provide that? It's a lot easier for them to deal in BS, and you're happy to eat it up. Thanks for encouraging them, John.
Obama and his supporters "feel" that women have the right to kill their babies. They "feel" that homosexual activity is healthy and normal, and should be granted the privilages of the age-old institution of heterosexual marriage. They "feel" that it is irrelevent whether or not the president outwardly displays his patriotism.
So, what point are you trying to make? It doesn't matter what side of the aisle you are on, each side has its own feelings and beliefs on the major issues. These beliefs are typically 180 degrees opposite, everyone knows this. That is why it is dumb to waste broadcast time constantly debating fundamentally different sets of beliefs on how America should run.
I say, since Americans are so divided, disband the federal government. No single president is going to bring us together, "bi-partisan" sucks. Split us into the conservative states of America, and the socialist states of America, people can choose a side, and the bickering stops.
Obama and his supporters "feel" that women have the right to kill their babies.
I've never heard of anybody in favor of killing babies. I think you dreamed this.
They "feel" that homosexual activity is healthy and normal, and should be granted the privilages of the age-old institution of heterosexual marriage.
They're for equal rights, you're against them.I think the onus is on you to explain why you want to deny rights to others that you enjoy.What other groups do you "feel" should be limited in their rights?
They "feel" that it is irrelevent whether or not the president outwardly displays his patriotism.
Phony displays of patriotism are irrelevant, or at least not as important as actions.Don't you see this is the same sort of superficial, avoiding the issues BS that we're talking about here? Would you be happy with somebody who puts his hand on his heart while saying the pledge, while at the same time trying to subvert the Constitution?
I think you're making it very clear why the media and conservatives in general like to avoid the issues.
disband the federal government.
Quitter.
America can come together when the government is committed to the COMMON GOOD, not to just the corporations, lobbyists, war profiteers, and cronies.
But that's just too hard for the wingnuts to comprehend.
The problem with your split, John, is that some of the most conservative states receive the most federal aid.
If Conservatives disagree with abortion, they should define life and do research that attempts to prove when life begins. They should also come up with some kind of plan for all those unwanted pregnancies. If the women are poor and don't want to have a baby and can't afford health care, what do the conservatives do for the fetus? If abortion is illegal and the mother will die if she gives birth, what do conservatives believe will be the right thing to do in that situation? If we have an influx of unwanted children, what do conservatives plan to do about that possible epidemic? The only thing I have heard from anti-abortion folks is that they believe that abortion is murder. I have not heard a single proposal about how they would care for the influx of children this would bring.
If they think homosexuality is immoral, they should do research to try to prove that its not genetically passed. I believe the Constitution says we are all created equal. I know a gay couple who has a child and they are on three separate health plans! How many health plans does your family have, John? Is that equal? The whole marriage thing is hilarious too. The same types of people who disfavor gay marriage thought that interracial marriage was against the "traditional" all racially specific marriage too. Why? Advocates of this position should attempt to prove that gay marriage hurts "traditional" marriage. There are societies in Europe that allow gay marriage. How has it affected their countries? Slippery slope arguments are often brought up by these people. Why not make marriage between two consenting adults and end it there? I want to hear why conservatives think that is a bad idea.
As for your proposals that we have two groups of states, have you noticed that some of the states that often vote conservative also get the most aid per capita? Wyoming, and the deep south lead the way, so what country do you put them in? http://www.census.gov/prod/2007pubs/fas-05.pdf
C'mon, John, conservatives call liberals names for relying on feelings and every single argument you had against Obama's ideas was based on emotion and nothing concrete! Do better!
Of course, you know that he only spent 4 years, from age 6-10, outside the united states, right? I'd say he was raised in an american setting. Hell, hawaii is more of an american place to grow up than half of tennessee.
So of the first 18 years of his life, he spent 14 of them in the US. Thanks for the clarification. I knew it was a short time, but I wasn't sure how short.
But don't forget, just because Obama might have spent on 4 years of his life in Indonesia, he still is *from* Chicago. You see, it doesn't matter what Obama has said or done--it matters where he has lived.
Actually that's Hillary Rodham-Clinton. Rodham is not her middle name, it is part of her last name. Rodham is her maiden name, and she chose to add it on to her married name.
I would agree that using his middle name is no big deal, except for the fact that it is being intentionally used as a pejorative term with its connotation of Sadam Hussein. They are not using that name to make a connection between Obama and the late King Hussein of Jordan(who was in fact an ally to the US)
Oh, sure, we hear these all the time:
Hillary Diane Clinton (her actual middle name)
John Reid Edwards
John Sidney McCain
Mike Dale Huckabee
Willard Mitt Romney
Rudolph William Louis Giuliani
Do you really want to pretend it's natural to say Barrack Hussein Obama? Or do you want to back away from the idiot cliff?
Bill of course it's not natural & yeah we all know what's going on here.
Of course Barack Hussein Obama is the guys name. And I'm sure at some time, for some reason, there may be a perfectly feasible reason to refer to him this way. Unless it's going to be ordered verboten?
Obviously Cunningham is being a jerk & doing it solely to remind folks of Saddam, or that Obama has a Muslim name.
But keep this in mind:
Those that are uneasy or turned off by the name "Hussein" were not likely Obama voters anyway.
Those that are uneasy or turned off by the name "Hussein" were not likely Obama voters anyway.- jeter2
Hi Jeter. You're absolutely right.This isn't aimed at likely Obama voters. it's for those who may be motivated to vote against the Democratic/Radical Muslim candidate in '08.
But your point is imporatant, as it debunks the tinfoil hat wingnuts who have been suggesting that the "Hussein" references have been instigated by Dem. rivals.
This guy Cunningham is on the radio in Minneapolis at 9:00 PM. I listened to him once last week for about 16 seconds and he said the name Barrack Hussein Obama about 5 times in 16 seconds.
He came off as thinking he was pretty smart that he figured this all out by himself, if he jst kept repeating the name over and over that somehow it would resonate through the radio that this was a pertinent and valid point he was making.
That's 16 seconds of my life I can never get back.
That was supposed to be a reply to Bruce.
It was AM1500 on Sunday night. I think they replaced Drudge with this yahoo. Drudge was better, whatever you might think of him.
Actually, I think of that movie with the guy who sends his rats to kill people.
Then again, is that the movie or a description of Romney's political career?
MMFA and most of the poster's here aren't the far left? I think you should cut the crap first.
I also take pride in being very conservative, without having to be dictatorial. At the same time, I am more liberal (in the traditional sense of the word) than any "progressive" walking the street today.
Who cares...?
Despite your origins, johnGodzilla 174541842, you can still practice Christianity and pretend to be a real American. But we reserve the right to be suspicious of you at all times.
Uhm, no, we run the gamut here...From Tommy and Jeter and AA to Dex and JJamele and Johnny, we have a fairly diverse group here.
So you're conservative, but liberal in the classic sense? You mean how Bush is a liberal now?
Oh God No...I don't believe in selling America away to overseas power. I don't believe in dragging out a war that could be finished in 30 days for years, just to profit from it. I don't need to take advice from Bono on anything. Bush is a ________. (fill in the blank with any word that won't pass the filter on here).
I'm so sorry you live in a nation where 80% of the people identify as christian. I'm sorry this nation was founded by christians of various denominations running from persecution in England.
Do I agree with knocking on peoples doors and not takign a polite no for an answer? No, I don't. At the same time, America has always been heavily influenced by Christianity...it's American culture, and lots of people don't appreciate when others bring their cultures here, and think that I need to celebrate them as equal to traditional American culture. To phrase that another way, If I moved to Japan, I would have the respect for the predominant Japanese culture, and keep my American/Christian culture to myself...not try to insert it into diversity training so the Japanese are forced to learn about it.
>>I'm sorry this nation was founded by christians of various denominations running from persecution in England
Wrong! Where is the word Christian in our constitution? How many of the founding fathers believed that Jesus was the son of God? Oh, and some of those religious groups fleeing England? They shot Indians who wouldn't convert to Christianity.
>>it's American culture, and lots of people don't appreciate when others bring their cultures here, and think that I need to celebrate them as equal to traditional American culture.
Oh, boo hoo hoo! Poor John! He might have to listen to what, one song in Arabic a year, and his life is going to fall apart!
When you say lots of people, you mean lots of bigots like you. I don't see too many people protesting Mexican restaurants, and Latin dance is pretty popular too.
So socially conservative, but let people do what they please in their private llves. I'm sorry, I just don't see how those two are compatible.
"I'm sorry, I just don't see how those two are compatible."
That's why its just easier for progressives to label conservatives as racists, bigots, haters, homophobes, etc.
"That's why its just easier for progressives to label conservatives as racists, bigots, haters, homophobes, etc. "
No, John, its statements like: "He grew up in a Muslim culture" or "He had exposure to Muslims" that make it easy to call YOU AND CUNNINGHAM (no one else here in this thread) bigots.
Am I a progressive? Did I label you a "racist, bigot, or homophobe"? No
No, if you are socially conservative, you believe in the traditions of your culture. The prevailing party that espouses social conservatism is the Republican Party, which also opposes gay marriage, and is pro-life. Yet preventing homosexuals from getting married is interfering with their private lives, i.e. not allowing them to do what they want privately (and yes, marriage is generally a PRIVATE ceremony.) Abortion, which I believe should be safe, legal, and rare, is also a private matter with the woman and her doctor. And allowing someone to practice their own religion, while not wanting religion "shoved down your throat" is a central tenet of American libertarianism. In fact, to echo your previous post, it's generally condemned by social conservatives for its primarily American left-wing viewpoint.
John,
How is MMFA far left? Does pointing out hateful speech and lies make one far-left?
Irony, did you miss whatsisnames post? Cunningham may have said "Hussein" 4 times, but he also said "Barack" 4 times, which made it fair and balanced.
Your as dense as that judge that couldn't process that I had stopped at the stop sign before the one I ran at 80 mph. ;0)
No...too hard to spell.
But I do have a sister by the name of Female'.
"the Clintonistas knew they had to slime Barack just like they slimed Ken Starr to get their way.,"
Is this guy serious?
Using Barak's middle name simply desensitizes people to the Muslim connection. It's not even misinformation. I may be wrong, but it sound to me like Barak and Obama are also Muslim names.
I agree with John1745. Hussein is only his middle name. His father was Muslim. Got it. If Cunningham wants to bring it up, that is not racism or bigotry. It is simply fact.
I grew up with Mexican-Americans named Jesus. We didn't think anything of it. I liked watching Muhhamad Ali both before and after he changed his name. Either way, he was 'the greatest'! It's not your name that counts but how you live your life that matters.This is much ado over nothing.
Yes Penelope. :-)
ps. It still sounds cool to me.
Hey I read on another thread a week or so ago that you & Julia were married! And I'm a little heated about that since I thought she was my GF.;-)
I want you to know I would have challenged AA to a duel for your heart.
Me thinks you're just a tad jealous ;-)
Yeah my wife knows, she used to post here [long before I did] & still reads this site. I don't think she's too worried that Julia & I are gonna run off together :-)
She does get upset if she reads one of my posts and I've been less than civil to someone...so I try really hard to be polite O:-)
If you were a true conservative you would probably have an on-line boyfriend!
LOL, THAT was funny!
"Using Barak's middle name simply desensitizes people to the Muslim connection."
So, in other words, Cunningham is actually trying to help Barack Obama by desensitizing people to any possible Muslim connection. What a great guy...
Irony,
Whether Cunninghame tries to or not, it is simply my opinion that is what is happening.
AA,
"Using Barak's middle name simply desensitizes people to the Muslim connection. It's not even misinformation. I may be wrong, but it sound to me like Barak and Obama are also Muslim names."
If its desensitizing people to the Muslim connection as you put it, why aren't his supporters doing it? Look at the people who are making use of the middle name. What do their followers immediately think of when they hear "Hussein?" Do you think that Cunningham is merely softening Muslim culture for his followers? Cunningham and his ilk make millions off of fear, not compassion so for you to say that his behavior is meant to be helpful is a bit out of left field for me. Could you explain your reasoning better and why Cunningham would be trying to help Obama by desensitizing people? And, without looking, tell me the middle names of Ronald Reagan, Gerald Ford and Mike Huckabee.
I know Huckabee's is Dale, but that's only because it was already on a thread here...
and Reagan's middle name has 6 letters, which was a source of controversy...
Obama also requires oxygen in order to continue living everyday. Why doesn't Cunningham bring that up? If Cunningham really just wants to amaze us all with trivial facts about Obama, then why not?
There is certainly an agenda here in bringing up the middle name all of the time and it's foolish to try and ignore it or pretend it isn't there.
His father was Muslim. Got it.
AA, WRONG!
His father was an atheist.
And the meaning of Hussein is:
The boy's name Hussein \hu(s)-sein\ is pronounced hoo-SAYN. It is of Arabic origin, and its meaning is "good; small handsome one".
But we all know WHY Cunningham was using it. Trying to make non-existant connections both to the former dictator, and the non-existant Muslim upbringing Obama allegedly had.
John,
Are all Muslims the same to you? When did he get back from Indonesia?
Well, you might have a point, as we can see what living around all of these Christians has done to you.
But then again, you don't. Living somewhere as a child might influence you a little bit, but then again, don't we get most of our learning from home? I know I did as a young child, and am the person I am today thanks to my parents, not where I grew up thankfully.
So let's run down the list. You say Obama went to a muslim school and was surrounded by muslims. Well, he DIDN'T go to a muslim school it was a secular school, as this story was debunked a long time ago. He was surrounded by muslims. OK, this much is true. But who cares? I'm surrounded by crazy lunatice bigotted and racist Christians, that doesn't make me one (I live in the South by the way).
John, keep repeating the meme that Obama is some sort of devil worshipping Muslim, it will actually get you nowhere fast, and you come off looking as dumb, or potentially dumber than this guy Cunningham. Oh wait, too late for that.
Since when did the Clinton's "slime" Ken Starr? This is what I found even more interesting than this arse-hat's repeated use of Obama's middle name. Is he really serious? The Clinton's slimed Ken Starr? Was this guy alive and breathing during the 90's? Apparently, not.
Sean likes hateful people like Cunningham, a racist man who spews his hateful remarks daily on radio. Thank goodness, he is not well known nationwide.
Hopefully, advertisers will yank their ads from Cunningham's radio show. This type of hate talk does not belong on the air.
But I guess that's okay, because he's not a Republican or affiliated with the "Clinton Machine".
So, what you're trying to say is that because it was on MSNBC and the guy writes for the WaPo it won't be covered here? I think this is what you're trying to get at. And maybe what you should do first, is look around a bit. Read some other stories posted up on here, and you'd realize that this places takes to task the WaPo over and over again, as well as MSNBC, The NY Times, LA Times, and other media outlets.
So this guy said it as well. He's stupid too. I don't care who he is. It's got nothing to do with the "Clinton Machine" or who he works for. Go back, read some of the threads on here about what Kerrey said, you'll see that pretty much without fail, we didn't defend what he said at all, regardless of who he was, and who he works for. What he said was stupid as well.
See, I find that generally that's the difference between republicans and democrats. Democrats will criticize, and tell their own folks when they're wrong. Republicans jump in line, and do nothing, even if they think their bretheren are wrong.
And you're just trying to make another case of, "He said it too..."
Cunningham is an idiot, and so is Kerrey, and so is the guy who you quoted above.
Happy?