Savage: "Bring in 10 million more from Africa. ... They can't reason, but bring them in with a machete in their head"
SUMMARY: On The Savage Nation, a caller identified by Michael Savage as "Kojo" asked Savage: "[D]o you know how the AIDS got there [Africa]?" Savage responded: "It got there because it was spread from eating green monkey meat, my friend. If you study the science -- but I don't think you have the capacity to understand science, my dear friend Kojo." Later, Savage stated: "See, we don't live in Africa where people settle arguments with machetes. We live in a country where we settle it with arguments. Something you apparently don't know anything about. ... Couldn't use the machete so his mind went blank. There, that's what we got. There's multiculturalism for you. There's immigration for you. There's the new America for you. Bring them in by the millions. Bring in 10 million more from Africa. Bring them in with AIDS. Show how multicultural you are. They can't reason, but bring them in with a machete in their head. Go ahead. Bring them in with machetes in their mind."
While discussing President Bush's AIDS spending proposal in the State of the Union address, nationally syndicated radio host Michael Savage responded to a caller's assertion that he "do[es]n't know anything about Africa" by launching a series of derogatory attacks on Africa and Africans.
On his January 29 broadcast, Savage challenged the caller's "stupid statement," stating, "Tell me what I don't know about the AIDS epidemic that you know." The caller, whom Savage identified as "Kojo," then asked: "How AIDS got there [Africa] -- do you know how the AIDS got there?" Apparently mocking the caller's accent, Savage responded: "I know how it got there, I know how it got there. It got there because it was spread from eating green monkey meat, my friend. If you study the science -- but I don't think you have the capacity to understand science, my dear friend Kojo."
The caller then said Savage had a "big old mouth," and Savage continued: "See, we don't live in Africa where people settle arguments with machetes. We live in a country where we settle it with arguments." After the call ended, Savage added:
Couldn't use the machete so his mind went blank. There, that's what we got. There's multiculturalism for you. There's immigration for you. There's the new America for you. Bring them in by the millions. Bring in 10 million more from Africa. Bring them in with AIDS. Show how multicultural you are. They can't reason, but bring them in with a machete in their head. Go ahead. Bring them in with machetes in their mind.
According to Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. Talkers Magazine has indicated that The Savage Nation reaches more than 8 million listeners each week, making it the third most listened-to talk radio show in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the January 29 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: Kojo is calling from Los Angeles; he disagrees with me. Kojo, go ahead, you're on The Savage Nation. Tell us why we in America should send $45 billion to Africa for AIDS.
KOJO: I don't care if they send the money or they don't send the money. You don't know anything about Africa. So you can't talk anything about --
SAVAGE: What do you mean I don't know anything about Africa? Well, what do you know about America?
KOJO: Let me finish --
SAVAGE: Well, no, I'm not gonna let you finish. You made a stupid statement. That's like saying I know nothing about Egypt because I don't live there. What kind of stupidity is that? We live in a global world. What do you mean I don't know anything about Africa? What's there to know that I don't know about the AIDS epidemic? Tell me what I don't know about the AIDS epidemic that you know.
KOJO: How AIDS got there -- do you know how the AIDS got there? You know how it got there?
SAVAGE [mocking Kojo's accent]: Yeah, I know how it got there, I know how it got there. It got there because it was spread from eating green monkey meat, my friend. If you study the science -- but I don't think you have the capacity to understand science, my dear friend Kojo.
KOJO: You have a big old mouth. You don't listen to nobody. You are criticizing African people, you are criticizing --
SAVAGE: Why don't you just shut up for a minute. You're telling me that you know more about my country than I do but I know nothing about your country. Who has the big mouth here, Kojo?
KOJO: You criticize the president, the candidate, everybody. Why don't you be a president of the United States, you stupid man --
SAVAGE: See, we don't live in Africa where people settle arguments with machetes. We live in a country where we settle it with arguments. Something you apparently don't know anything about.
[silence]
What's the matter, cat got your tongue, my friend, Kojo?
[sound of dial tone]
See, there you go. Couldn't use the machete so his mind went blank. There, that's what we got. There's multiculturalism for you. There's immigration for you. There's the new America for you. Bring them in by the millions. Bring in 10 million more from Africa. Bring them in with AIDS. Show how multicultural you are. They can't reason, but bring them in with a machete in their head. Go ahead. Bring them in with machetes in their mind.
We're not supposed to criticize the president because he wants to send $45 billion to that corrupt continent -- for AIDS, which is a behavioral disease. It can be controlled only by behavior, not by money. Oh, education has really worked for the AIDS epidemic in America. It's really stopped the homosexual community from interacting in their well-known manners.
Oh this Savage is so disgusting. Racism and homophbia live on the radio dial.
Funny thing is, where is savage wrong in his assessment of what the caller asked about?? Explain where the rasism is.
I think the cold hard facts are (in this instance) he is right. The clear evidence he is right is that you can't attack his message, so you attack the messenger. WHAT did he say that was rasist? The caller sounded more racist than savage, and none of you are saying anything about cugo. The caller asks about aids and savage tells him what science knows. Then mmfa inflects it's own opinion by saying savage was "mocking" the caller. The caller seems more upset with savage than savage is with him, yet the hatred is all on savage? Why is that?
What would you have preferred him to say? That aids came from a government conspiricy? That way you can say; "see, I told you bush did something else bad!" ?
I usually listen to Jerry Doyle at that time slot, but because of all of you, I think I'll start listening to savage. I figure, if you people don't like him, he must be correct in his assessment of the situation. Cause I have experienced what you ultra liberal hacks dish out when faced with facts! NONE of you, not one will argue with a calm head, each and every one of you attack the personality of whoever doesn't agree completely with your tweeked sense of morality. IMHO, you leftwing-nutcases are the worst racists we have in the US. You even hire a former KKK leader to be your spokesman. But you complain when savage gives a caller scientific fact. I thought you people were all for whatever science tells you. Oh, that's right, you hate independant thinking.
Diatribe - A prolonged discourse.
My thirteen word response might be the world's shortest diatribe.
Savage's science, which you defend, is wrong.
He said that AIDS was originally spread from one species to the next by "EATING" monkey meat. I've never heard that before.
Typically the AIDS virus isn't spread through the digestive system. I doubt that the original monkey to human transmission started that way. It doesn't make sense. If AIDS spread mostly from eating something, then he might be able t o argue from a "scientific" stand point, rather than from his lunatic, homphobia.
Dr. Weiner prides himself on being a scientist. He's out of his element in this case and he's using his homophobia to try to twist science to fit his agenda.
he was refering to a subject that he had discussed on several previous shows:
James Watson, a Nobel Prize winner for his part in the unravelling of DNA who now runs one of America's leading scientific research institutions, drew widespread condemnation for comments he made ahead of his arrival in Britain today for a speaking tour at venues including the Science Museum in London.
The 79-year-old geneticist reopened the explosive debate about race and science in a newspaper interview in which he said Western policies towards African countries were wrongly based on an assumption that black people were as clever as their white counterparts when "testing" suggested the contrary. He claimed genes responsible for creating differences in human intelligence could be found within a decade. 17 October 2007
i'm not saying i agree with the 'testing' - just letting you know that mm is giving you half of the story.
>>i'm not saying i agree with the 'testing' - just letting you know that mm is giving you half of the story.
Another racist rears his ugly head. What the scientist is spouting is racism in one of its worst forms, claiming that one race is inferior and then pretending his science backs it up. If you really did not agree with this guy, you would not have posted his beliefs, and mentioned that MMFA is only telling one half of the story. There is no other half to tell.
What a joke. There is no level of racism you guys wont appologize for. As if saying bring ten million more from Africa they cant reason isnt racist. There is no reason to act as if such a statement deserves rational debate. Its pure racists drivel and hyperbolic ad hominem why should our answer be different? Its so dumb for you rightwingers to act like we have an obligation to rationally discuss whether or not people from Africa can reason. The screechmonkey of your choice is free to insult and denigrate with nothing but stupid rhetoric but WE must limit ourselves to discussing the merits of his lunatic ranting and insulting. Nice try at framing the lunacy as rational discourse, it isnt and doesnt deserve to be treated as if it were.
I'm afraid the joke is on you, solon. If you are going to complain about someone being hateful/denegrating/spiteful/racist/fearmongering/ ect.... then you can't 'be' what you complain about. Your entire statement is one long hate filled rant. It would be like a super-rich guy saying he hates super-rich guys because they are super-rich.
But, it was fun trying to find the meanings to some of the words you used. I think you need spell check, either that or some of your words have weird meanings.
I'm not even sure what he's talking about. The machete in the head line makes no sense anyway...
But it just goes to show...Obama supporters are naive to think that Hillary is the candidate with the PR problem. These same guys are just getting started with Obama.
So if you think that voting for Obama is the safer course with these people and their ilk, think again.
It's the bigger issue of racism, which is at the heart of this problem with Savage.
Pearlene, I have to admit-- your guy was good tonight at the debate.
I haven't e-mailed the local stations lately that run this kind of garbage. For my past complaints about Limbaugh and Hannity I would get back the usual "these programs are very popular and we're in the business of providing what listeners want" responses.
As others have by now probably mentioned in this huge discussion, your efforts are valued, but sending such comments to the station doesn't do any good if your goal is to affect a reasonable change in the programming. Program managers and other station management simply count the number of times they see a host's name in a letter, email, or fax, and put that in the score column for that host. They don't care WHY you listen, as long as you do.
Instead, write the sponsors and politely quote what the host of a program they fund is saying. That's working. I think two weeks ago, four major sponsors dumped Savage after such comments were forwarded to them, and Geico was close to dumping Weiner too.
I think you're doing The Right Thing.
Even better yet, you may want to keep the ears open for obviously racist language tending to the obscene or indecent. Forward such reports to the FCC posthaste, complete with the relevant transcripts/recordings and a brief, but polite, explanation as to why you believe the comments in question are obscene or indecent.
Moving from the sublime to the ridiculous: IIBC, there are others of the Michael Savage stripe who are calling for the "evacuation" of the Afrikaner Peoples of South Africa and Namibia as "refugees***in fear of persecution" for being White Christians (as in Calvinist/Reformed) under a "Communist-influenced regime" in post-apartheid South Africa. Such claims, methinks, should be approached with suspicion, especially if there are appeals for funds being made by front organisations for obviously racist or white-supremacist movements behind these "evacuation" appeals, made more than likely in an emotionally-driven pandering to misguided "racial honour" reinforced by the likes of "the Fourteen Words" and acronyms like "ORION" (Our Race Is Our Nation).
Too, the claims of "fear of persecution" may not be sincere or genuine; on the other hand, such claims may be carefully-scripted manipulation of the worst sort designed solely to trick or mislead immigration officials, backed, for the most part, by forged or otherwise dubious evidence.
Such bears close watching.
I wonder at what point in his childhood was Weiner separated from his true family, the incestuous Fred Phelps cult? How badly was he beaten by papa Fred as a child? Clearly, there is some permanent damage.
Savage is the ultimate victim, listen to him for 5 minutes and it's the entire corrupt, diseased ridden world against him and his ego. His mouth will sink him eventually as he will become just too hot to handle for advertisers. And he will blame San Francisco, or gays, or some other spear-carrying hate group out to destroy him.
Listening to him for too long is like having a machete in your head.
His mouth will sink him eventually as he will become just too hot to handle for advertisers.
I think the time is now.
frankly, i'm not sure what the heck he's talking about either. must be a loss of context from audio to written.
tommy, Dr. savage represents all the country's disaffected, those whose ego's are so bloated, that they assume the entire world's out to get them. all their life's failures and personal inadequacies are the result of this world-wide conspiracy. he merely articulates that for them, in a way that they are incapable of doing.
he assures them that their failure to achieve isn't the result of their own ineptitude, or failure to avail themselves of opportunities presented, but of the wider effort to hold them down. joe sixpack, listening while he sits in his vomit and sweat stained recliner, wearing his tattered, rarely laundered wife-beater t shirt, and guzzling down his nightly case of red, white and blue beer, is comforted, knowing all his failures are of someone else's doing.
that is savage's audience, and he plays them for the rubes they are, and always will be.
I'm surprised at you, tommy. I thought you were the lone independant thinker in this site (who wasn't drummed out of town). I see you are simply a liberal who the other liberals call right wing so they can say they have a 'token right winger' on their site.
Usually you ask 'why is this here'. Now, I've figured out that isn't because you are really curious, it's because you are told to say that, to keep some semblance of balance by posters. This is one thread where 'why is this here' should be used. There isn't any factually incorrect statements being made, no racial statements being made. But, there is a 'tone' in his voice that mmfa didn't like and used that as their driving theory. So, now we have leftwing nuts saying that the freedom of speech is no longer valid if you have the wrong 'tone in your voice' while speaking?? Will that be covered in the 'hate-speech' bill? Is that what it's come down to? That our constitutional rights are now going to be determined by whether the "tone of my voice" is within the proper parameters that are decided by a group of left wing hacks?
Thanks, tommy, for sticking up for American freedoms, for showing support for racist left wingers and for giving in to the real hatemongers of America.
Calm down Phil, Just because I think Savage is a whining egotistical shock jock hardly means I am a liberal. He offers little else except his over inflated self importance while he rants and rails against those he doesn't like. He hates this group, or that group, yawn, it's all rather boring. If you listen and like, that is your business.
As for my not asking WITH?, I know why this is here - MMFA is not a fan, and this thread is here for that reason.
But if you think not being a liberal means I have to condone people like Savage, well, sorry to disappoint, I find him repulsive. Whether or not he and I may share an opinion or two on an issue is irrelevant, he is in it for Michael Savage, and Michael Savage alone - I don't share that interest with him, he needs to look elsewhere.
I too wanna say:
Thanks, tommy, for sticking up for American freedoms, for showing support for racist left wingers and for giving in to the real hatemongers of America.
You liberal lovin' hatemonger! We luvs ya! =)
Yeah, he does have a major ego problem. That doesn't exclude him from being correct every now and then.
Sorry for the mis-interpretation of your remarks.
SAVAGE: "...bring them in with a machete in their head."
Is it just me or does Michael Savage seem to frequently display a tendency towards viloent imagery? I hope this guy doesn't own a gun...
Fin,
I am guessing you know the man, eh? Do you two hang out and discuss racial impurities?
I hope he does, as the percentages for him being involved in an incident would rise sharply.
I have never listened to his show – but if this is a sample of the kind of intelligent arguments he has with callers, I could understand how a machete might be a more appropriate defense. Apparently, he’s just another narrow-minded wingnut know-it-all who refuses to see the world as anything outside his little box.
"It got there because it was spread from eating green monkey meat, my friend."
Did anybody else find this absolutely ridiculous? I mean, green monkey meat? And it was spread by eating it?
No my friend, the predominant theory is that either someone was bitten by an infected chimp, or someone in a butcher shop was cutting up an infected monkey and was cut/had a cut, which came into contact with the blood. Of course, no one really knows, because the earliest known specimen is a 50 year old blood sample of an unknown man in Kinshasa. And it's estimated that the virus jumped to humans as early as the 1940's.
So obviously he doesn't know that much about Africa ;)
We're frue with 'em!
Jeez, the inane self-righteousness about these issues is appalling. Is this typical of Obama supporters? Just a question.....P.S I know Fin is not an Obama supporter-- but this kind of reasoning is typical of much of that crowd-- i.e., you can't say anything they don't want to hear. It's happened before.
Caril, sorry but you are truly pathetic, truly. Fin thinks that blacks are inferior to whites, they should be happy for the privilege of living in white neighborhoods but some how YOU can equate Fin with Obama supporters. You have lost your freaking mind behind Hillary. Take a look in your own mirror, that nut you see is yourself.
P.S I know Fin is not an Obama supporter-- but this kind of reasoning is typical of much of that crowd-- i.e., you can't say anything they don't want to hear. It's happened before.
Snoopy, I don't think so.
C, I was responding to Dbedens statements indicating Savage's prognosis as "ridiculous" on AIDS when he had said much of the same thing. I actually myself have not ruled out the possibility of sexual contact, i really can not see where you get me calling anyone a racist. I am the one always labeled such, the other posters would attest.
I am actually not an Obama supporter, Mitt's my man.
Haven't you had enough corporate governance yet?
I think corparations have a role to play in serving the greater good. I think guys like Willard will do nothing to curb the profit over people conservative corruption of the market place. I think he will do nothing to empower working people and I think he will continue subsidizing corporate America, expand harmful trade agreements and most importantly, he will stack the court with conservative zealots.
Mitt Romney has turned around companies before and has been an extremely successful businessman, in the face of the recession and worsening of American economic position we need someone to turn around America which is in a sense a large, multifaceted corporation. I think that the economy is not in a position right now to facilitate greater spending on welfare and social programs, and this is one of the reasons that America will not elect a democrat.
In light of the economic woes we face, I don't think any Republican is in any position to talk about fiscal responsibility. The simple fact is that investing in the commons, investing in infrastructure is the best way to boost the economy and uplift working people for the long term.
That's real bright, savage. Use a racial slander to end an argument and then tell your audience you won the battle.
I'm not surprised if we get fin or st. racist having savage's back.
I'm surprised Fin hasn't shown up yet to offer his "well, black people can't understand reason" BS.
I will say one thing about his racist rantings, and his segregationist stance. The more we as people mix between races, the better for our species biologically as a whole. Resistance to diseases goes up, people get more beautiful, and those sharp distinctions start to disappear. Conversely, sticking close to home and intermarrying between genetically similar people produces the opposite effect.
I once heard an anthropologist predict that the human race, at some point in the future, would be predominantly bronze-skinned with slightly Asian features.
Oh good, at least we won't be all Black! *
* ( an obvious jk)
Can't we all just ignore this Finfarn idiot now?
Clams you are a myopic bigot hostile to an open exchange and discussion of ideas. I suggest you take your antipathy somewhere else, we are not so self righteous to ignore those whose opinions you find wrong. If you do not like my opinions and do not believe them then refute them, dismissal is neither polite nor intellectually honest.
You think that my comment is racist? well explain to me exactly WHERE is it racist? who was i being racist to, interracials? I will not deny what i see, not for you nor anyone.
Personally, I don't want everyone to look the same. I don't see anything particularly racist in Fin's one remark here-- it may not be true, but it's not hateful, IMO.
I think it's just as bad to say mixed race people are beautiful as to say the opposite. It's still generalizing. If Fin is distasteful then so is someone purveying the opposite view of race-beauty.
Kind of like approving of African American voters choosing Obama en masse, but condemning White voters for choosing Hillary and Edwards. What's bad for one is bad for another.
These particular comments of Finfarin were not racist. Finfarin was saying that he/she thinks that in general the mix is unattractive, he/she wasn't saying that one particular side of the mix contributes to the unattractiveness. I personally have seen some spectacular looking mixed race people, Halle Berry and Alicia Keys come to mind, I think the black-hispanic mix often looks amazingly beautiful (my beautiful husband is Puerto Rican and clearly a mix, of what we're not sure though !), so I don't agree with Finfarin. But Finfarin's personal preferences should not be confused for racism. We can't allow ourselves to be SO sensitive to an issue that we blame every statement we disagree with on it. (I am not defending Finfarin's other posts.)
Thank you Carlelib and Atheist, you are one of the few non hateful voices of reason here. I do realize you run a considerable risk of hate and accusations of "racist defending" from the other poster due to their hateful bigotry of people with my views. My personal preference in beauty is MY own, i do not want others to tell ME what to like and what to consider beautiful. You both make a very good point that saying interracials are unattractive is the same as they are more attractive, both views are equally biased.
In what way is that NOT racist? He dislikes an entire race of people based in part on their appearance. Again, that is the very definition of racism.
>>I will not deny what i see, not for you nor anyone.
No, you won't. Which is how we know you are a blatant racist.
You could give an example of beauty in any race, the fact is that most interracials are just not generally that attractive.
Okay, any of you guys (atheist or calllwhatever) wanna defend THAT as not being racist?
First of all Solon, i have to tell you that when one is a s fiercly dogmatic as many posters here are, the eye sees what the mind wants it too see.
Me personally, the most beutiful child i have seen is from a Nazi propaganda poster. <kidding> =J Actually it would have been when i was looking at some photographs of distant relatives, I was astonished and amazed at the utter beauty of this white blonde child.
Hey Clams,
I try to never engage FinFan directly it's too distasteful, but she does provide normal people with a peep into the rabid racist perspective that I believe is on the decline. It's interesting to see how political and social issues are filtered through the warped logic of a racist. Now racism is still alive and well in our country although the typical strains encountered these days are of a much more benign nature than the virulent strains displayed by poor FinFan and Savage. Theirs is rapidly becoming a thing of the past, they’re slowly becoming their own minority group. Now there may always be some little pockets of these people held up somewhere inbreeding but hopefully they will all go somewhere and stay the heck away from the rest of us. I agree with FinFan America is truly a generous country, much more generous than I am because if it were up to me we would do some kind of minimal screening to access a prospective immigrant’s views on diversity. I would add a disclaimer to the application saying something like America is a very diversed country if you don’t like diversity that stay the hell where you are or find a country with a more homogenic population. We screen applicants for certain physical and mental illnesses we could certainly add Fin’s brand of craziness to the list as well. Hell we have enough domestic racist we shouldn’t be importing them too. Fin’s presence here is certainly a testament to the tolerance of the American people. America has given her the freedom to slam the intelligence, morals and cultural practices of all the native born Americans who don’t look like her immigrant family. Now some might consider that immigrant family's behavior rude, crass, and ungracious but anyway God Bless America!
Lynn,
Have I told you lately that you are one hell of a good writer. Loved your post.
I've never interacted with Fin, though I read his posts. Or her posts. You keep calling Fin a her?
Anyway well done.
P.S. You left me a post on the Joe S. thread, I left you a reply. Hope you get a chance to read it.
Jeter,
Your namesake is interracial and does pretty well with the ladies.
Excellent example Fried!
I'm sure we could list dozens more, Hallee Berry & Mariah Carey come to mind. Both so hot! Guess Fin wouldn't find them attractive though;-)
Jeter,
Fin truly is a disturbed individual. I ranted a bit more down a few posts.
Fin,
Do you repress your hatred of them or do you tell him how much they disgust you? Do you tell the interracial couples in your life that you think that you think they are an abomination?
Fin,
You call two people of different races who find love an abomination. That makes you a hateful person. You classify races based on skin color, that is hateful. You think your race is superior to other races. That is hateful. You said you dislike interracial children. That is hateful.
>>You think your race is superior to other races.
Did he really say this?
Funnyman,
He wants the term "white supremacist" shouldn't be a bad thing. I am not sure I could find the post though. He says that different races have different median intelligences. I am not sure which threads these are in though.
Holly crap! What a total nut! And he has the nerve to say that he isn't a racist?
For the future, we should paste those quotes in a file on our computer, and each time Finfarin posts, simply paste them in. When he tries to troll, we should just post his quotes, and make the thread about his having to answer what he said.
(I wonder if Farfarin isn't a troll in the truest sense of the word? Can anyone really believe such hate; and if they did, would they come on a liberal board and try to defend it? Is he just trying to get a rise out of us?)
Worrierking actually collected a bunch of Finarfin quotes, all from just one thread. Here are a couple of the worst:
"The fact that i think africans are currently inferior in thair average levels of intellect does not make me a rascist, If it does by definition that the meaning of the word is itself twisted and much too vague.
- FINARFIN / Thursday November 29, 2007 01:33:26 PM EST
They sure do not want to speak like us, and in their aversion to speaking like a "white" they use some sort of twisted accent of the poor southerner and thus continue to degrade themselves. They (the majority) do not understand the privelige of living like civilized humans, they trash all in their sight and pollute our neighborhoods. The [african american] people seem to think that just because they worked hard in america's beginning they no longer need to work, thair historical labour quotas have been fulfilled. This is a self destructive mindset. We gave them the priviledge of equal education and they defecate upon this privaledge. they refuse to learn. take a look at the educational scores of the majority of African Americans, they perpetuate their ignorance of thair own ignorance. The majority of them have forgotten the struggle of thair forefathers for equality, and thus they forgoe the privaliges bestowed upon them. To be educated is to be "white" to a black man, and thus he will not learn. The afrikan amerikan's obsession with "whites" is crippleing them. by the way for those of you who will no doubt call me rascist, it might help that you look up the actual meaning of the word.
- FINARFIN / Wednesday November 28, 2007 12:28:55 AM EST
My heroes are certainly more likely to be white, seeing as all the greatness of civilization was primarily a 'white' accomplishment."
Now can we ignore him?
People who "find love" with different races can do so all they want, i just don't love it whey have offspring.
"You classify races based on skin color, that is hateful."-F
Skin pigmentation is a charactaristic! Am i hateful if i say that Caucasian people are white? Your comment is logically flawed. So even if there was a diference amongst races, it would best be denied and ignored?
People who "find love" with different races can do so all they want, i just don't love it whey have offspring.
"You classify races based on skin color, that is hateful."-F
Skin pigmentation is a charactaristic! Am i hateful if i say that Caucasian people are white? Your comment is logically flawed. So even if there was a diference amongst races, it would best be denied and ignored?
Fin,
I meant you classify people and who they are based on their race. You don't mind if interracial people find love, you just don't want them to have kids, eh? I stand by my points.
Fin,
I meant you classify people and who they are based on their race. You don't mind if interracial people find love, you just don't want them to have kids, eh? I stand by my points.
People who "find love" with different races can do so all they want, i just don't love it whey have offspring.
"You classify races based on skin color, that is hateful."-F
Skin pigmentation is a charactaristic! Am i hateful if i say that Caucasian people are white? Your comment is logically flawed. So even if there was a diference amongst races, it would best be denied and ignored?
"You classify races based on skin color, that is hateful." F
Who doesnt! Am i wrong in classifying Caucasians as "white?" your comment is logically flawed, it is not hateful to classify races by their unique characteristics. I think that people can "find love" within another race as long as they want, i just dislike for them to have mixed children. Do you think that if there was a difference amongst races, it should be ignored and disclaimed even if true? I see that man really cannot be without some form of religion, yours just takes the form of a fierce dogma that blocks you to any evidence undermining it. As when Darwin first published his works and they where denied by the religious so is as fiercly denied the possibility of there being a difference in racial performance levels.
Finfarin:
>>I actually was taught to love all and so i do. certainly the fact that i think they are muddying their gene pool
What the F@* are you talking about? When any two people mate, they mix their gene pools. Do you think it is different when people of different color do so?
Yes you are hateful, ignorant and basically disgusting with your racist nonsense.
Fin,
There are plenty of pure 100% Caucasions that aren't attractive, or are down right ugly, what's your explanation for that?
Our eldest son's best friend is Irish-Korean & he has to beat the ladies off with a stick. And he doesn't recide in Hollywood.
Face it Fin you're a bigot & a racist.
Jeter,
Plus, your namesake isn't a celebrity so much for his looks as his ability. His looks add to it though.
Exactly Fried.
Hey how did we forget Barack Obama? Another good looking dude eh?
Jeter,
Great point! Have a good night and thanks for the support on this one.
Catch ya on the threads tomorrow Fried.
Good night :-)
"There are plenty of pure 100% Caucasions that aren't attractive, or are down right ugly, what's your explanation for that?"
Once again you put words in my mouth. It is frustrating. Can you give me a quote in which i said that a pure Caucasian will ALWAYS be attractive? I daresay you will not find one, so stop fabricating presumed opinions.
I tend to separate people who are attractive and conversely those who are not as those with some positive eugenics and those with negative. yet intelligence and physical ability plays in as well, there are those who are extremely intelligent yet unattractive.
Fin,
You are absolutely disgusting. One of my best friends (a white guy and a top lawyer) married a woman who is half-Japanese and half-Columbian (she is a social worker with a wonderful heart. They both have impeccable morals and fight for justice at every turn. They have a BEAUTIFUL little girl. She does not look strange and has a wonderful future ahead of her. One of the best people I met in law school is bi-racial and one of the top students in our class.
Ask women if they find Derek Jeter attractive. Ask most men if they find Halle Berry attractive. One of my best friends is half-Greek and half-Japanese and he is one of the top lawyers in Washington DC. He married a blonde woman and they are doing wonderfully well.
You don't like interracial children because they look strange? I can only guess that you are model material, correct? GIVE ME A BREAK! You talk of variety, what could lead to more variety than a mixing of races? I know you are a white supremacist and a bigot, but this post of yours is so far over the line you don't even see the line.
You think people will be easier to control if they look the same? Maybe, if people were more similar they would get along better and feel a common bond unlike people who want to separate themselves like you.
You really think that losing unique looks are too high a price to pay for losing ethnic conflicts? Tell that to the people of Sudan.
Look, Fin, this is my wish for you. If you end up having children, I hope you have a son or a daughter who finds a beautiful mate who does not share your race. I hope your son or daughter is totally and completely in love and you are forced to choose between these ridiculous beliefs and your family. I pray for your soul, Fin.
Yesterday, Savage once again called Media Matters a homosexual site somehow connected to CAIR and, by extension, to the terrorist group Hamas. He vowed to expose the connection. Anyone know what he's talking about?
Yes, we're all secretly from Syria, and our sole mission is to kill Michael Savage ;)
(The wink means I'm kidding FBI, please don't take that as a serious threat)
Methinks you will be Ok, the FBI is busy trying to find out who sent fake anthrax to all the scientology churches.
FBI, if you're listening, I bet it wasn't the muslims...
I know you're not from Syria and here to kill Dr. Weiner.
That said, how is the ission-may to ill-kay octor-day einer-day going?
I entered something like "You're on to our plan" and translated from English to Arabic.
I guess either the site or my computer has Arabic fonts so it displayed properly. Then I cut and pasted the Arabic into the response field and posted.
I then went to check to see if it displayed properly and it came up as gibberish. I was using a Mac with Safari as my browser. I opened the page in Firefox and it displayed properly.
Then I went to my PC and displayed the page, it also displayed correctly.
Here's a video for your research.
Oh Mike Seaver...
Yikes.... If Al Sharpton gets ahold of this and it takes off. He will be done, history, bu-bye....
One can only hope.
I agree, this one deserves Al Sharpton's attention.
But unlike Imus, Bill Clinton & others that have gone on to Sharpton's radio program to explain their remarks don't expect Savage to do the same.
On the most un-biased level, Savage has a PhD in epidemiology and nutritional science, that he earned. He also is a 4-time NYT best seller. Sharpton has been handed an honorary divinity degree.
Oh, and at least Savage has never egged on a crowd to the point where that crowd murdered multiple people of another race. Freddy's Fashion Mart.
>>On the most un-biased level, Savage has a PhD in epidemiology and nutritional science, that he earned. He also is a 4-time NYT best seller. Sharpton has been handed an honorary divinity degree.
Sorry, but this is total BS. I couldn't care less about Savage's education. Did you, oh, happen to read what Savage said? Or what he always says? And having best sellers means nothing; lots of right wing nut cases do. It means nothing.
Just admit you are a racist, John. Savage said ugly, racist things, and you think that is okay.
Oh, and keep using the word "racist." I think you might make the book of world records for number of uses of it in 1 hour.
Yes, I will ignore the facts when they have no bearing on the case. Savage might be a better basketball player than Sharpton, too. Dos that mean Savage isn't a ranting lunatic? I think you need to re-read what Savage said.
And yes, you are a racist. Do you think I'm not going to point that out each time, just because you say I'm setting a record?
No, John. Savage made a completely lunatic, racist rant. (And you say that liberalism is a mental disorder?) I don't have to listen to him all the time to know he is a racist. (This isn't the first time he made such a rant.)
If you listen to him, and defend him, I can only conclude that you are a racist.
Thank you Solon. It's impossible to reason with people who listen to Savage and like what he says. They defend the most ridiculous diatribes.
The tribes there do still settle problems through violence, this is fact.
How'd we handle our imaginary differences with Iraq? Slumber party?
Other great Ph.D.s and M.D.s persecuted for holding beliefs similar to Savage Weiner:
Dr. Josef Mengele; University of Munich (Ph.D. in Anthropology 1935); Frankfurt University (1938) Doctorate in medicine (M.D.)
Carl Clauberg professor of gynecology at the University of Königsberg
Fritz Fischer M.D. University of Hamburg (1938)
Dr. Hubertus Strughold M.D. (Göttingen 1922)
Dr. Eduard Wirths M.D. (University of Würzburg (1935)
You might be onto something John. Savage is beginning to sound like he is part of their intellectual and moral lineage. Poor Weiner--so misunderstood and so unjustly maligned. Life is just so cruel sometimes.
Yikes.... If Al Sharpton gets ahold of this and it takes off. He will be done, history, bu-bye....
Chuck, you just gave me a good idea to relieve some of my frustration. I will send this to Jesse Jackson's daughter Santita, she has a radio show with call-ins and I'm sure it will provoke outrage among her listeners. Maybe Savage Weiner will finally be cooked !
Someone should alert Jesse ...
I pointed out that CAIR, Jackson, or Sharpton will never be able to take down Savage. This makes me a racist? Please, really, get a grip.
Yes, John, you are a racist. You said about Savage: "Couldn't have been said better." And Savage had made an ugly, racist rant. So really, are you seriously going to argue that you are not a racist?
And no, Fin wasn't talking about super viruses. Read more carefully. He was saying that mixing races would make us more suspectible; and that he thinks interracial couples produce ugly children; and that they are "muddying" their gene pool.
Like I said in my other post, John, just admit you are a racist. Really, stop all the silly pretense at reasoning.
Every time britney has a baby, she muddys the gene pool. I must hate whites more now.
I'm going to speculate that there is an outside chance that some super-viruses might rise, due to this being the first time in history that we have mass amounts of interracial children being born. Excuse me for hypothesizing, I must be a racist.
If I were actually a racist, I probably would go to lunch with the arab girl i work with. And I'm guessing that I wouldn't have voluntarily gone on vacation with my black friend. Additionally, many people/cultures in Africa are 3rd world. It's not racist to point out how the third world operates.
>>I'm going to speculate that there is an outside chance that some super-viruses might rise, due to this being the first time in history that we have mass amounts of interracial children being born. Excuse me for hypothesizing, I must be a racist.
Yes, and an idiot. You obviously know nothing about biology. But that is another reason for me to believe that right wing reactionaries have a "mental disorder."
Please spare me the "I have a good friend who is black" schtick. The problem is that you are defending Savage, who has made incredibly racist remarks. In fact, you are saying that you yourself couldn't have said it better. So, yes, you are a racist.
Oh, boo hoo hoo! John has called me a moron and has said that liberas have a mental disorder, and now he wants to take the high road! Oh, did I take you out of context?
John, there is not agreeing with Savage after he went on his lunatic rant. You lose credibility after you do so. Yet, here you are *quoting* him, rather than denouncing him; so what can I conclude except that you are a racist?
Sure, John. If I denouce a racist like Savage, then I must be a racist. And if you defend him, you must not be!
And you called me a moron?
"Please spare me the "I have a good friend who is black" schtick. The problem is that you are defending Savage, who has made incredibly racist remarks. So, yes, you are a racist." funnypants
Thank you John for fighting the fight of overwhelming odds, many jump on the bandwagon of hate and a very few use their minds unfouled. I salute you for defending the good name of Savage when few others will.
Funnypants, what is flawed in my theory that a racially intermixed world will make it easy for a powerful virus to wipe us out?
And about interracials, it is personal preference, you should not and i will not tell you what to like. Personally I am not as attracted to non-whites myself. personal preference. you may want to call this racist but please for once ignore this irrational reflex and think my comments through.
So this "i have a good friend that is black" shtick does not mean you are not racist? well I'll be damned, and here i was thinking racists hated black folks. Now according to this (apparently archaic) notion having black buddies would make one NOT racist. PLEASE explain to me how this could be, a racist with black friends? I could explain it, but you have denied my explanation;you where saying that "racists" MUST hate all black people.
I cant believe you tried the "some of my best friends ' defense. Savage made a clearly racist remark. YOU agreed. When you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas. You look racist from here. If you WERENT you would at the very least recognize the racism in the Wienerdogs lunatic rant. Instead you agreed with it. It really isnt that complicated.
Wow you are a liar! You state in this post:
>>I have stated, in this thread, that I do not support and other portion of this audio clip, other than what I speciafically quoted.
>>Savage's rant here is based on the fact that Africa is 3rd world. The tribes there do still settle problems through violence, this is fact. America is better than that. America is superior to ANY 3rd world nation. It's not racist to make America out to be more superior than a 3rd world country.
>>john174541842 / Friday February 1, 2008 1:28:01 AM EST
You are lying right through your teeth.
Yes, you are a huge bigot. Let's not forget how yesterday you connected Obamma to terrorism because of his middle name. You also implied that Obamma was corrupt because he came from Chicago; in other words, you smeared him because of an association. Yet here you are associating yourself not only with som reasonable things Savage said, but actually defending his lunacy.
The Savage Weiner continues to do his civic duty by projecting a positive, uplifting image of America to the rest of the world. What a Patriot.
</sarc>
His audience thinks that his rants, at the intellectual level of a 3rd grader, while demeaning and mocking the caller - telling him to shut up without ever letting him have his say – is somehow worthy of their listening time?
If I heard something like this on the radio just once – I’d never listen to that program again. It’s so sad to think there are at least 8 million morons in our midst who relish in having their homophobic racist ideals reinforced and stroked by the likes of Weiner – or any of the top 3 radio talk show host – on a near daily basis. It makes me ashamed to be an American.
Finfarin wrote:
>>Nearly all of the interracial folks i have seen are not at all attractive, rather i think interracials are LESS attractive. This is part of the reason why i dislike them, they have unattractive features as they are just plain strange.
Is their medication for your lunacy?
Fin,
You want to control the BREEDING of others. Which is worse?
Finarfin, you certainly have a right to express your personal aesthetic preferences, but you can't expect everyone to agree with you. I personally like recessive (aka "weak") chins while most people like pronounced (aka "strong") chins. Should I suggest that recessive chin people not mix with pronounced chin people, to preserve this physical feature that I find so beautiful ?
I'd be interested in seeing what you look like, and finding out just how "pure" you actually are. We all came from Africa, you know. We're all mixed to some degree. I'm a Euro white but my father's ancestors are northern Euro and my mother's are eastern Euro ... they look totally different. Should they have not married and had kids lest they taint the beauty of the world's inhabitants ?
No Atheist, these genetic differences are too minute. Personally i would have to agree, a "strong jaw" is even sometimes intimidating, the recessive chinned usually have a lot more character in their faces and are so much more interesting to draw.
If you want know i myself am not genetically pure, And i do not require this among whites. few are indeed pure and in todays world this is hardly something one can demand. I am very proud of my eastern European heritage, and if you must know i am actually of mostly Italian appearance.
Then kill yourself and save us the complaints. Or move to Africa so people will have to feel bad for you and the conditions you live in over there. Then, if they don't automatically feel bad for you, you can call them racist.
"because he wants to send $45 billion to that corrupt continent -- for AIDS, which is a behavioral disease. It can be controlled only by behavior, not by money."
Couldn't have been said better.
Do you know how many women in Africa have been infected with the HIV virus from their husbands? These are poor women, loyal to their husbands, whose behavior is not in question. Do you know how many innocent children carry the virus from birth, transmitted from those women?
But you're right, screw 'em.
And the husband got it from his behavior before he was married. The child that is born with it can thank the their father for screwing around. I can save us 45 billion with one suggestion: zip it up, its free and effective.
JOHN: I don’t think anyone missed his “main point” – but what you missed is the idiocy of it.
“Corrupt continent”? Glass houses?
“Behavioral disease”? What contagious disease isn’t “behavioral”? I suppose we should stop funding the care and research of lung cancer since it’s mostly caused by the “behavior” of smokers?
This aid from the U.S. is long overdue. Who knows how many lives could have been saved if it had come sooner?
What bothers me is how you could support him on this “point”. Your selfishness and lack of compassion are discouraging.
The Weiner’s isolationist attitude is out of step with 21st century. If he wants to live in isolation and a place to feel comfortable with not having to deal with the problems of the rest of the world - I’m sure he’s made enough money selling his hate and bigotry to allow him to buy his own little island in the South Pacific. I’d celebrate the day, and help start the movement to deport the rest of his followers to join him in his utopian paradise.
"What bothers me is how you could support him on this “point”. Your selfishness and lack of compassion are discouraging." - What bothers me is that you trust government bureaucrats/lobbyists/African leaders to manage your tax money. Lack of compassion? America is the most charitable and giving country to ever exist. Put some trust in the American people...we will donate our own money to important causes, we DO NOT need Washington donating for us.
>>since it’s mostly caused by the “behavior” of smokers?" - No, and this kind of response is a perfect example of how MMFA has taken Savage out of context
Sure, John. How is it possible to take a such racial, raving lunancy out of context? Just admit you are a bigot. Stop trying to hide behind excuses. Just come out and say it.
So? Savage undermines his argument with hate speech. I would argue he only makes salient points so he can manipulate sensible people, like yourself, into buying his hateful rage. He's a salesman, he gets his customer in an agreeable mood and then convinces them to say yes to something they don't need.
"we will donate our own money to important causes, we DO NOT need Washington donating for us."
Why not? Not to disparage charitable giving but the dirty secret is that our government, the goevernment of we the people, is efficient and can wield more influence than most any organization.
We are Washington, it's our government. We own it.
Faith in bureaucrats, now thats good stuff. Rack up another reason for liberalism being a mental disorder.
>>Rack up another reason for liberalism being a mental disorder.
I think you, as the racist, has the mental disorder.
Ha ha ha, aren't I?
Ha ha ha!
Anyone who has faith in bureaucrats has a mental disorder.
>>I'd like to re-phrase my statement. It was wrong to aim it at "liberals."
You see what happens when you resort to name calling, John? You see how it backfires? Oh, but it sounded so good when Ann Coulter said it! And Savage can put down people so easily with his hate, how come it doesn't work on a blog, you might ask? You see, hate jocks like Savage, who any reasonable person should detest, can yell over their opponents and cut off their mics. That shows the whole weakness in their reasoning (if you want to even call it that). You see, in an exchange like this, insults don't go very far.
Sure, John. You want to be civil and you state that liberals have mental disorder. And you are defending Savage, who besides going on a racist tirade, is one of the most uncivil people I can think of.
Care to explain how you claim that you don't support Savage's ranting, and then you posted this:
>>Savage's rant here is based on the fact that Africa is 3rd world. The tribes there do still settle problems through violence, this is fact. America is better than that. America is superior to ANY 3rd world nation. It's not racist to make America out to be more superior than a 3rd world country.
>>john174541842 / Friday February 1, 2008 1:28:01 AM EST
I have faith in the Constitution. Why don't you?
I think Bush has mocked the Constitution and has broken the law. It's been easy for him to do so primarily because of a few scurrilous Democrats have impeded the push to investigate this administration for their crimes. They will have to answer for thier lack of spine next election. That's not to say that they will cast out of office, but they will have a Progressive majority and an involved electorate to deal with.
You also assume the next President will be willing to skirt our system of checks and balances. That's cynical at best.
But to your point that government is not good at allocating humanitarian aide, I would have to say that government is good when run by people who respect it, it's that simple.
The private sector does certain things well but I don't want private organizations distributing conditional services any more than I want government distributing Twinkies.
Regardless of what came before the part of the show that MMFA quotes in this story – Savage still said what he said – and I still stand by the lunacy of his statements.
He was basically rehashing his antiquated homophobic attitude to AIDS – diminishing it as being a “behavioral problem”- which is as ludicrous as my lung cancer analogy. As far as his corruption concerns – can you name me one government assistance program that has been immune to this phenomenon? It’s not just the machete wielding Africans who are corrupt, Weiner and friends – try talking to the folks in New Orleans and the gulf coast.
I can almost go along with the second part of your argument. If Savage wanted to argue against government assistance to foreign lands, I’m sure he’d have plenty of support – Republicans and Democrats. But throwing in his illogical rant about AIDS and the inexcusable racist treatment given to a caller, who was only trying to voice an opinion from the other side, crossed the line - and only shows how despicable this guy is.
Oh yeah, the caller really had a strong opposing view point: "You don't know anything about Africa."
I've never heard such a strong position before.
"What contagious disease isn’t “behavioral”? I suppose we should stop funding the care and research of lung cancer since it’s mostly caused by the “behavior” of smokers?"-vantine
Contagious diseases that are not "behavioral"? why there is a long list, TB being a big one down to the flu. Of course you could relate a certain behavior to these diseases but no one behavior covers all possibility. Lung cancer is not contagious. While AIDS is highly behavioral, i can live in America and be sure i will not get the virus if i abstain from certain behaviors.
If I behave in such a way that I put myelf in contact with someone with TB or the flu - it is my behavior that caused me to get the disease. Perhaps if the person hadn't "behaved" in a certain way (i.e. they sneezed) - I wouldn't have got the disease, and it is their behavior that cause the transmission.
If you want to say certain contageous diseases are primarilly sexually transmitted, them just say it. Is there something unnatural about sex? However even diseases that are primarilly transmiltted by sexual behavior - ARE also transmitted by other means.
What "certain behaviors" are you so sure will prevent you from getting HIV? Are you going to be completely celibate? This is about the closest "guarantee" there is - but still not 100%.
Always use a condom when you have sex? A little more risky than celibacy. No condom, but sex with only your spouse? I wonder how many people have been infected with HIV because they "trusted" that there partner was being faithful?
Individuals like you are the most likely to actually develop AIDS after being infected by HIV because they are the most unlikely to be tested for HIV - and don't even know they have been infected until one of the oportunistic diseases associated with AIDS is manifested. By that time it is usually too late to hold the virus at bay. And if you think I am making up worse case scenerios to scare you, I am not. I speak from personal experience and have lost a close friend this way.
There really aren't many guarantees in life - and you should quit kidding yourself about your false perception of immunity from HIV.
Hey Cleve,
Are you doin better?
>>Couldn't have been said better.
Savage said:
>>See, there you go. Couldn't use the machete so his mind went blank. There, that's what we got. There's multiculturalism for you. There's immigration for you. There's the new America for you. Bring them in by the millions. Bring in 10 million more from Africa. Bring them in with AIDS. Show how multicultural you are. They can't reason, but bring them in with a machete in their head. Go ahead. Bring them in with machetes in their mind.
No, John, you couldn't have. Why don't you just admit your middle name is "bigot?"
>>Hey, moron
Hey moron! If you really think that anything Savage could say on the topic was worth repeating, after he made his lunatic rant, then you are a .. a (hold on, let me get the right word..oh I got it) moron.
And you are a racist. If you weren't a racist, the only thing you would have posted here is disgust at Savage. Instead you are are doing the opposite. I guess you have some type of "mental disorder."
>>think I could write a post that says "I don't think global warming is caused by humans"
Yes, John, given your lack of understanding of biology, you probably would post something that stupid.
But no, I am not calling you a racist because I disagree with you. I am calling you a racist because you are defending Savage, who made extremely racist comments? See the difference?
"because he wants to send $45 billion to that corrupt continent -- for AIDS, which is a behavioral disease. It can be controlled only by behavior, not by money."
Those words have nothing to do with any specific race, and apply to the AIDS problem everywhere in the world. It doesn't matter what your personal thoughts about Savage are, they should not have to enter a conversation about the above quoted line. I'm certainly no racist for supporting that single, very specific line.
Yes, I believe that single line is correct, and it has nothing to do with race. Our friend "funnyman" is the one who started accusing me of racism for supporting that single line. I mean, there are left-wing politicians that I despise, but on rare occasion they do say something credible and true. I believe that no person is wrong 100% of the time, its just impossible to do.
With all your talk of higher brain function, I can't see why you and others seemingly do not have the ability to separate a single quotation and talk about what it means.
You have done more than that. You have criticised people accusing Savage of racism. Also you DIDNT distance yourself FROM the racism. You didnt say well I have to admit its pretty racist to act like everyone in Africa carries around machetes and saying they cant reason but I agree with this line. You came in defending Savage without such distancing that leaves you open to criticism for appolgizing for a clearly racist rant. When Jesse Jackson made his hymietown comment I criticised him directly I didnt say well he couldnt have said it better THEN claimed I was only talking about some other part of his speech. Its weak.
When I chose not to comment on the majority of this audio clip, I didn't expect people to attack me for being racist for not condemning it. I didnt know I was required to say the magic words, otherwise I'd be considered racist. I was labeled racist because I didn't talk about something or offer an opinion on it. Usually you need to hear somone's opinion on something before you can label him a racist. I'm sorry I won't repeat after you just to prove my point, but funnyman was quick to label and slow to think about it.
In the future, I will remember that when I try to have a conversation about money and AIDS, I'm making myself out to be racist because I failed to kiss the behinds of black people before I talked about it.
>>When I chose not to comment on the majority of this audio clip, I didn't expect people to attack me for being racist for not condemning it
But, you do defend Savage:
>>I have stated, in this thread, that I do not support and other portion of this audio clip, other than what I speciafically quoted.
>>Savage's rant here is based on the fact that Africa is 3rd world. The tribes there do still settle problems through violence, this is fact. America is better than that. America is superior to ANY 3rd world nation. It's not racist to make America out to be more superior than a 3rd world country.
>>john174541842 / Friday February 1, 2008 1:28:01 AM EST
And in another post, far from denouncing Savage's rant, you said his words were taken out of context.
So not only are you a racist, but a liar on top of it.
And guess what, I agree with every word Savage says.
And that pretty much sums it up!
John no matter how many times you attempt to explain yourself twill all be in vain, once the blindness of accusation sets in it shan't be removed.
"I'm making myself out to be racist because I failed to kiss the behinds of black people before I talked about it."-J.
I agree that certainly one should never kiss the boots of another ethnicity, something i see often in America. So often i see liberals kissing the slippers of the mooslim. So often whenever speaking of blacks, acquaintances go into a 5minute pre-spiel about they are absolutely NOT racist. I can see Limbaugh's point with the "magic negro" thing, liberals are waiting for a black candidate to outpour their guilt. i for one will bow my head for no one on such grounds, I am proud of my white heritage, and am sorry for those of you who are not, it must be terrible to live with such self-loathing.
Sorry, John, but you are lying:
>>Nope. I only defend the single line I quoted, but I can't seem to get you to realize that, so here it is:
But here is what you said previously:
>>I have stated, in this thread, that I do not support and other portion of this audio clip, other than what I speciafically quoted.
>>Savage's rant here is based on the fact that Africa is 3rd world. The tribes there do still settle problems through violence, this is fact. America is better than that. America is superior to ANY 3rd world nation. It's not racist to make America out to be more superior than a 3rd world country.
>>john174541842 / Friday February 1, 2008 1:28:01 AM EST
"Yes, John, given your lack of understanding of biology, you probably would post something that stupid."
Global Warming has to do with Climatology, Geology, and various other natural/environmental sciences. Biology is a LIFE science. But maybe you jsut got your life sciences and environmental sciences mixed up. No big deal.
>>Global Warming has to do with Climatology, Geology, and various other natural/environmental sciences. Biology is a LIFE science. But maybe you jsut got your life sciences and environmental sciences mixed up. No big deal.
Read more carefully, John. Where did I make the claim that you said I did?
Clearly, one does not need to understand biology to understand global warming. Global Warming relies on other areas of science.
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He lost his TV show because of his homophobic rant.
i am always reminded of streicher the notorious jew baiter in the third reich.
i know "savage" is jewish but i'm referring to his absolutely white-hot hatred directed towards "liberals". i just find it incomprehensible that anyone can say what he says in a public forum. i'm very sure if he used "jew" or "african americans" in place of "liberals" or "jihadist" he'd be doing sports at 3:00 a.m. on radio wino. what hatred!
Whoa..... Imus got fired, via advertiser distress, for saying Nappy Headed Ho's.......
And Savage is still on the air....... after this little gem?
Are you fricken kidding me!!
>>Imus' firing was on weak grounds as we can see, he is back after a succesful lawsuit.
I would like to see a link to this. I just did a search, and could only find that Imus lawsuit was still pending; not that he won it.
Imus isn't "back". He's got a new program with a smaller reach.
He also has eaten crow and might actually understand that what he said was hurtful. He said "[I hope I].never say anything in my lifetime that will make any of these young women at Rutgers regret ... that they accepted my apology." He also pledges to use his new show to discuss race relations.
Imus isn't "back". He's got a new program with a smaller reach.
He also has eaten crow and might actually understand that what he said was hurtful. He said "[I hope I].never say anything in my lifetime that will make any of these young women at Rutgers regret ... that they accepted my apology." He also pledges to use his new show to discuss race relations.
He said not long ago very nasty stuff about muslims
hollybook,theo Vanggoh was killed in Europe
for a lot less insulting to their faith.
Perhaps savage went too far now.
Here's one monkey that'll never get eaten.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnIntk9hLnE
Whiplash is one badass monkey.
Africa has long been a testing ground for the pharmaceutical corporations, many of them with HQ right here in the good old USA.
Savage is a rabid racist who has to take the crown as most vicious propagandist on the air waves.
What's so advanced about our society, technology? Does our war on drugs make us advanced. How about our war on the middle class? Even better, are we advanced because of our well thought out civil war in the Middle East? You supremacist are a joke, white and black. Fools, we all bleed the same blood! Morons, whites are just as violent as blacks are just as violent as Egyptians are just as violent as Romans are just as violent . . . Violence is part of human nature and history, and poverty often accentuates this feature. White's and Africans enslaved other men, Whites and Africans waged war on one another. Savage said Africans settle things with machetes. Okay, Americans settle things by attacking countries and dictators that didn't attack them, ie Saddam Hussein. John, Finarfin and all you other Savage apologist, don't live in the real world. Very soon your world will be invaded by a progressive generation and your species will have a beautiful spot in a museum next to the Velociraptor.
One race- human.
"Very soon your world will be invaded by a progressive generation and your species will have a beautiful spot in a museum next to the Velociraptor." - HAHA. Once time I got laughed off the stage for making a comment like this about how conservatives will be the saving force in America. Either way, a comment like this is purely speculative and very laughable. America is a free country, for those of us with conservative thoughts and those of us with progressive thoughts. The country will delve into civil war before either one of our ideologies are completely erased.
Additionally, if you cant see that the America is superior to Venzuela, where they shut down opposing view points, or perhaps Iran, where they hang gays, stone people to death, chop heads off, allow honor killings, and throw people off cliffs; then I have nothing to say to you.
That "one race - human" crap makes me sick as well. Are you even aware that with that statement, you just put yourself on the same level as a murderous Islamic jihadist? You just put yourself in the same pool as Hitler. Sorry man, some people are sub-human. Cultures that allow people to be thrown off cliffs in the name of "justice" are inferior to America.
"Hispanics are coming in from the south" - No, Illegal invaders are coming from the South because our government fails to protect America's Sovereignty, and hangs benefits out there for them.
"immigrants are coming in through New York and Florida" - If they are coming here legally, that is good, and is how America was built. Let's keep responsible immigration going!
"and a woman and black man are running for president." - Ok, if you were aware of history, you would know that this is not ground-breaking. Victoria Woodhull was the first woman to run for president back in 1872. Shirley Chisholm was the first black woman to run back in 1972. So, did I miss something? Because nobody has elected obama or clinton to office yet, and right now, their campaigns are not groundbreaking for America.
"As I said, conservatives I can stomach. I like McCain." - The majority of conservatives do not like like him, since he has proven himself to be quite the liberally-inclined individual. He is pulling much less support in right now than back in 2000 when he was crushed by bush. McCain would be the best "republican" the left ever had to put up with.
Oh, and if i'm "not a conservative" (how did you get the mind reading powers to determine what I am?), please fill me in on a few other members of "my kind," besides Savage, I'm curious.
I also find it funny that a minute ago you were preaching about how all humans are one race...but now you refer to me and others as a "tribe" or special "kind" that will be extinct. You cant even hold your own views straight.
"when you die, and you will die" - I was hoping the progressives could keep pushing testing on human embryos so doctors could build me new body parts, and I could live forever. You see, progressive policies will keep conservatives around forever!
America first, always, no exceptions.
"whites are just as violent as blacks are just as violent as Egyptians are just as violent as Romans are just as violent . . . Violence is part of human nature and history" AH
Tell that to Solon Augustheat, he seems to think that because whites lived through so much more "internecine violence" they became so proficient at killing they where able to dominate the rest of the world for a time. I agree with john that not all races are equal, we all bleed the same blood but besides being a poetic statement it means nothing in the cold hard world of reason.
If one race is superior to another then you have the member of that superior race a supremacist, whether they like it or not. Am i a humano-supremacist if i say humans are superior to other animals? Another reason why supremacist should be removed of its negative connotation, there are situations where it can be a fact of existence.
So yeah... I'm white, my wife happens to be black and in a few months I'll be the proud father of a bi-racial baby. So by Savage's logic I guess my child will be half socially retarded? Help me out here I'm confused.
"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal. . . ."