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Echoing Drudge and ABC's Tapper, Fox News' Hill falsely asserted Clinton said "we need to slow" economy to fight global warming

January 31, 2008 7:52 pm ET
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SUMMARY: Fox News host E.D. Hill falsely asserted that former President Bill Clinton said that "we need to slow" the economy to combat global warming, echoing a report by ABC's Jake Tapper. In fact, Clinton did not say that.

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During the January 31 edition of Fox News' America's Pulse, host E.D. Hill echoed a blog post by ABC's Jake Tapper in falsely asserting that former President Bill Clinton said "we need to slow" the economy in order to combat global warming. Hill cropped Clinton's comments to assert that Clinton said: "We just have to slow down our economy and cut our greenhouse gas emissions, because we've got to save the planet for our grandchildren." But Clinton did not say that we "have to slow down our economy" to fight global warming.

Introducing the quote, Hill noted "fears the economy is slowing and a recession could be nearing" and pronounced Clinton's statement "puzzling." After playing the truncated version of Clinton's quote, Hill asked Fox News contributor Charles Payne, "[W]hat would the results of slowing down the economy be?" Hill added: "You know, I was baffled by this, because when it seems Democrats and Republicans have finally united on one thing, and that is that our economy is slowing and we need to kick it into gear, Bill Clinton comes out and says, 'No, we need to slow it.' "

Hill noted that "in all fairness, this was just one part of his speech," adding that "[i]n other statements he refers to other countries, and makes a comparison between countries that have the highest productivity or the fastest growth and the least amount of pollution." But Hill never provided Clinton's full quote, which makes clear that Clinton did not say "we need to slow" the economy. Rather, he said that "rich" countries could take that approach, but then he said why he thought it wouldn't work, asserting that the "only way" to fight global warming is to prove that doing so "is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy":

CLINTON: And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada -- the rich counties [sic] -- would say, "OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions 'cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren." We could do that. But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world's fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work.

And guess what? The only places in the world today in rich countries where you have rising wages and declining inequality are places that have generated more jobs than rich countries because they made a commitment we didn't. They got serious about a clean, efficient, green, independent energy future... If you want that in America, if you want the millions of jobs that will come from it, if you would like to see a new energy trust fund to finance solar energy and wind energy and biomass and responsible bio-fuels and electric hybrid plug-in vehicles that will soon get 100 miles a gallon, if you want every facility in this country to be made maximally energy efficient that will create millions and millions and millions of jobs, vote for her. She'll give it to you. She's got the right energy plan.

Hill's characterization of Clinton's quote as "say[ing] 'No, we need to slow it' " echoed the title of the blog post by Tapper, ABC News' senior national correspondent. Tapper titled his post: "Bill: 'We just have to slow down our economy' to fight global warming." By 9:30 a.m. ET, Internet gossip Matt Drudge provided a link echoing the ABC News headline. Later during the segment, Payne said Clinton "talked about our grandchildren. Well, guess what? Our grandchildren will find ways of making money off of this, of finding new alternative energies, of improving technologies. So this so-called problem will actually become an incredible opportunity, as it has throughout the -- you know, with capitalism, the way capitalism works, if there is a problem, then, you know, there will be a financial solution." But neither Hill nor Payne noted that Clinton actually said that "[t]he only way we can do this is if we get back in the world's fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren."

Hill later asked Payne: "So from your economic background, you take a look at a statement like this and what would you say, yes or no?" Payne responded, "I'd just say he's absolutely -- he's pandering to the left. He's pandering also to countries outside of America who also have a serious responsibility, but you know, he also makes a lot of money speaking outside of America. Maybe that's why he's doing it."

From the January 31 edition of Fox News' America's Pulse:

HILL: Welcome back, I'm E.D. Hill. Let's take a look at the big board right now. Live look. The Dow Jones Industrial Average going up, oh, 130 points, up to 12,572. Now, this comes on the heels of yesterday's half-point rate cut, which came just a week after a rare inter-meeting rate cut. So why all the action? Because of fears the economy is slowing and a recession could be nearing. Which is what makes the statement from former President Bill Clinton so puzzling. During a speech on global warming, he said:

CLINTON [video clip]: We just have to slow down our economy and cut our greenhouse gas emissions, because we've got to save the planet for our grandchildren.

HILL: Now, in all fairness, this was just one part of his speech, but what would the results of slowing down the economy be? Joining us now is Charles Payne, CEO of Wall Street Strategies and a panelist on [Fox News'] The Cost of Freedom. You know, I was baffled by this, because when it seems Democrats and Republicans have finally united on one thing, and that is that our economy is slowing and we need to kick it into gear, Bill Clinton comes out and says, "No, we need to slow it."

PAYNE: It's really so, so baffling, and also considering that the big thing in his -- about his whole term as president was that the economy was gangbusters, you know what I mean?

HILL: Which is a tad ironic.

PAYNE: It is a tad ironic that, you know what, we had this whole -- we had an attitude in this country, and it started at the White House, that we're going to party like Prince's "1999," and we did. Consequently, of course, we had a hangover and a recession and other things. But the bottom line, though, is at time when we need some sort of a spark in our economy, it's so incredible that anybody would suggest a slowdown.

HILL: Well, maybe he learned something from what happened during his presidency. He does refer to other countries. In other statements, he refers to other countries and makes a comparison between the countries that have the highest productivity or the fastest growth and the least amount of pollution, but that --

PAYNE: That doesn't jive -- listen, the fastest growing country in the world is China -- without a doubt one of fastest growing economies in the history of mankind, the greatest polluter in the history of mankind. India is going crazy, but look at India. It's overpopulated and they don't have really a great energy policy. Russia has no energy policy. Brazil -- I mean, you can go down the line. If you took the top five, top 10 greatest growing nations in the world right now, they're not doing anything in terms of holding back or trying to, you know, limit greenhouse gases.

HILL: OK. In defense of his statement, is there some -- you know, some truth to what he is saying? Because I've always heard people say, "You don't want the economy growing too fast. You want slow, steady growth." So doesn't that make a bit of sense?

PAYNE: Well, that part makes a bit of sense, you know, but the business -- business moves in cycles. It's impossible to get away from the so-called business cycle. At the end of the day, as far as this is concerned, you let the free markets handle it.

You know, he talked about our grandchildren. Well, guess what? Our grandchildren will find ways of making money off of this, of finding new alternative energies, of improving technologies. So this so-called problem will actually become an incredible opportunity, as it has throughout the -- you know, with capitalism, the way capitalism works, if there is a problem, then, you know, there will be a financial solution.

HILL: Yeah. We find a way to fix it and charge you for it.

PAYNE: Absolutely.

HILL: President Clinton made the link between slowing the economy and basically saving the environment, decreasing global warming. What does that mean? What would you have to do? It sounds like it would be big-ticket items, people not driving, things like that.

PAYNE: Yeah. I mean, what a lot of folks, particularly the greens, would like to do, is make it prohibitive to drive. In other words, put a tax on it, the way they tax cigarettes in New York City. You really have to be a cigarette junkie to buy cigarettes in New York City, because if someone bought two packs a day, it costs them up to 5 to $7,000 a year. The same thing with gasoline, to make it -- even maybe to the point where we'd be afraid to turn our lights on in our own homes because it would cost so much. And, you know, that sort of controlling behavior, it's outrageous. It's almost socialist to a certain extent.

HILL: So from your economic background, you take a look at a statement like this and what would you say, yes or no?

PAYNE: I'd just say he's absolutely -- he's pandering to the left. He's pandering also to countries outside of America who also have a serious responsibility, but you know, he also makes a lot of money speaking outside of America. Maybe that's why he's doing it. He's not speaking to Americans because we are doing a lot of things in this country right now.

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    • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (January 31, 2008 7:59 pm ET)
         
      And, they're off !
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    • Author by mary59 (January 31, 2008 8:29 pm ET)
         
      This is so amazing. All journalists need a course in listening with comprehension; then I would like all journalists to take a reading comprehension course and not believe anything the bloggers write unless they've checked it themselves.
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      • Author by wolf kotenberg (January 31, 2008 9:23 pm ET)
           
        To be able to accomplish that, they meed math and science, something they have no mastery of.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (January 31, 2008 8:40 pm ET)
         
      BBBut that would interfear with their internal dialog. They hate when that happens.
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    • Author by bruce1ace (January 31, 2008 8:41 pm ET)
         

      It's not true to say that Clinton didn't say those words because he did.  MMFA has posted the transcript. 

      MMFA should be making the argument that Clintons comment is being misrepresented because obviously he clarified his poimt right after that.  But to say that he never said it is not correct.

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      • Author by mefirst (January 31, 2008 8:43 pm ET)
           
        he did not say what they say he said.  nowhere near it. 
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        • Author by mefirst (January 31, 2008 8:52 pm ET)
             
          a few would say i need to come to your house and kick you in the ass for disagreeing with me, but that would be totally wrong.   now did i say.... "i need to come to your house and kick you in the ass for disagreeing with me"? 
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          • Author by bruce1ace (January 31, 2008 9:01 pm ET)
               

            This is definitely misinformation, but I think it's a better argument to say that Clintons quote was truncated as opposed to claiming he never said it.

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            • Author by mefirst (January 31, 2008 9:04 pm ET)
                 
              so he was saying  "we should slow our economy"?
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              • Author by bruce1ace (January 31, 2008 9:16 pm ET)
                   

                That certainly was not his meaning in the full context of his statement.  But the definition of the word "say" has multiple meanings.  One being what was spoken and one being what was meant by what was spoken.  And that's why there are so many communication breakdowns between people, because people interpret what was "said" differently then what was meant by what was "said".  Clearly, in this case, the truncated quote was said but it has no relevence on what was meant by the entire statement.

                My problem with the thread was where MMFA said in the summary:  "In fact, Clinton did not say that".  That is not a fact at all IMO.

                That's all I have.

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                • Author by mefirst (January 31, 2008 10:24 pm ET)
                     
                  the problem with saying "he said it" is that it then becomes: you can interpret it different ways.  i do not accept that he said it.   you don't lift the middle of a statement and then portray it as what someone said.  it's implying there is nothing wrong with cropping the quote, as long as you discuss what he really meant.  but the explanations get lost and you are left with only the "quote" of what he "said"  being repeated, which is exactly what is happening in this instance. 
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                  • Author by carlileb5935 (February 01, 2008 3:39 am ET)
                       

                    Again, repeat after me:

                    H-Y-P-O-T-H-E-T-I-C-A-L

                    Now, use it in a sentence to show that you all know what it means....!!!

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                • Author by tommy (January 31, 2008 10:28 pm ET)
                     

                  I guess it all depends on what the meaning of the word "say" is?  If it's "say", period - then it would be incorrect.........however if it's "say", with a qualifier, then that would be more accurate.  

                  I do agree with Bruce that to flat out say he did not say that is technically incorrect - it should have been qualified and broadened to its correct and proper context.

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                  • Author by friedbergboy1422 (January 31, 2008 10:42 pm ET)
                       

                    Come on Tommy and Bruce, that would be like if I said this (as only an example):

                    "George W. Bush has done a great job protecting our country unless you count 9/11." and the media quoted me as saying:

                    "George W. Bush has done a great job protecting our country." Yeah, I said it, but not even close to that meaning.

                    I am sure I can crop some of your quotes in the same way and if someone repeated them out of context, you would call them a liar.

                    For example, if Repubs were being cynical:

                    "Bill Clinton stayed faithful to Hillary if you don't count Monica, etc."  Would it be fair to quote you as saying you thought Bill was faithful?

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                    • Author by tommy (January 31, 2008 10:44 pm ET)
                         

                      Fried, 

                      Of course this thread warrants mention here, and it is misinformation to suggest that Clinton said that, but to say he didn't say it is wrong.  He did say it, but its context needs fuller explanation.  Fox is wrong, Tapper is wrong, Drudge is wrong, they should apologize.

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                      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (January 31, 2008 11:19 pm ET)
                           

                        Hi Tommy,

                        I thought you were defending the "he said it" point of view.  I apologize

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                        • Author by mefirst (February 01, 2008 7:05 am ET)
                             
                          i think that's what tommy is saying.  if not, then what?  sounds like a little of tommy's denying what he said.  here's what mmfa said:  "but clinton did not say that we "have to slow down our economy" to fight global warming.".   there is nothing wrong or inaccurate with mmfa's statement. 
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                          • Author by tommy (February 01, 2008 10:56 am ET)
                               

                            I explained what I meant, if you need to twist it to make some point of your own, be my guest.   Too bad though.

                            Thanks Fried.

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                            • Author by tommy (February 01, 2008 11:21 am ET)
                                 

                              Just to be clear, the first part of my post was directed at mefirst.  

                              The "Thank you" was acknowledging Fried's post above. 

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                              • Author by mefirst (February 01, 2008 10:06 pm ET)
                                   

                                i didn't twist anything tommy,  you said you agreed with bruce that clinton did say it.  own up to what you say. 

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                      • Author by carlileb5935 (February 01, 2008 3:45 am ET)
                           

                        OK, let's go over this again. It's not that difficult. Let's spell:

                        H-Y-P-O-T-H-E-T-I-C-A-L

                        getting clearer?

                        Now spell:

                        P-O-I-N-T 

                        Now let's use it in a sentence:

                        B-I-L-L   C-L-I-N-T-O-N  W-A-S  M-A-K-I-N-G  A  H-Y-P-O-T-H-E-T-I-C-A-L  P-O-I-N-T

                        See? That was easy! 

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                  • Author by paleocon (February 01, 2008 11:18 am ET)
                       
                    i'm stil confused about what 'is' is.
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                  • Author by dangrady (February 01, 2008 11:26 am ET)
                       

                    SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!

                    I guess it all depends on what the meaning of the word "say" is?  If it's "say", period - then it would be incorrect.........however if it's "say", with a qualifier, then that would be more accurate.  // Tommy

                    Cheif Tommy speak in forked tongue! The very essense of the "What is the definition of "Is" is" argument! Tell the truth Tommy your secretly a Clintonite.

                    This is rich, Tommy would argue that if Drudge makes up a story, and ABC's Tapper repeats it on air it is therefore the truth. Nevermind it has nothing to do with what Hillary thinks, says, or believes, no sources other than the uber-partisan Drudge report is needed.

                    As long as bloggers are now empowered to invent the truth, let's now release the true story of the Bush Administration's intention to disband the Congress, shut down the courts, and announce his presidency for life.

                    Happy Thoughts;

                    Dan Grady

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                    • Author by tommy (February 01, 2008 11:41 am ET)
                         

                      Read my post, I specifically said the misinformers, including Drudge, Tapper and Hill, should apologize.  

                      Secondly, this is about Bill, not Hillary.

                      Perhaps the "happy thoughts" have been replaced with less than lucid thoughts.

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                      • Author by dangrady (February 01, 2008 12:09 pm ET)
                           

                        SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!

                        Tommy!

                        Maybe I, like most Republicans, do not have the genetic inclination to speak out of both sides of their mouth. An extra joint in the jaw, or a specific labotomy that takes only the "shame" from the patient, what it is?, who knows.

                        I find it frightening how your beliefs are so plyable you can take both sides of an argument while smearing the side that suits you in the same breath.

                        I think I'll just satisfy myself with being a liberal.

                        Happy Thoughts;

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                        • Author by tommy (February 01, 2008 12:21 pm ET)
                             

                          HUH?

                          I have no clue what you're saying anymore.  Perhaps it's best if we don't address each other. 

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                          • Author by dangrady (February 01, 2008 1:16 pm ET)
                               

                            SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!

                            Read my post, I specifically said the misinformers, including Drudge, Tapper and Hill, should apologize.  // Tommy

                            Where? I should read your mind? Assume your making arguments without seeing them?

                            I'll survive being snubed, Tommy, since you don't have enough respect for the democratic ideal that is America, that you would support those whom would subvert the constitution, and our civil liberties for the sake of "saving us from another attack." As though this threat is so much greater that than the Cold War that we should have a Patriot Act, Military Commmission Act, and signing statements meant to presume authority not contained in the constitution.

                            Happy Thoughts;

                            Dan Grady

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                • Author by tex (February 01, 2008 10:20 am ET)
                     

                  The problem with Rightwingers could be solved easily, by rounding them up, putting them in camps, and holding executions around the clock.

                   

                  Of course, this would be horribly wrong, immoral, and ultimately unnecessary. No human being with a soul would ever advocate such a thing, although the history of human beings has instances of such dire and drastic "solutions".

                  Instead, we need respectful dialogue, persuasion, and a coming together of minds to solve our problems.

                  ---------

                  Feel free to quote ONLY my first sentence. 

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                  • Author by thomp.steve9098 (February 01, 2008 12:29 pm ET)
                       
                    You sound like Obama in your second and especially your third paragraph. He's destined to be the uniter, and all dem's should cast a vote for him.
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                    • Author by tex (February 01, 2008 9:39 pm ET)
                         

                      THOMP:

                      My vote is for Hillary, always has been. I wish fervently for her to be our next president.

                      My resolve is only strengthened when people whom I KNOW wish ill to the Democrats talk about supporting Obama. Obama will make a fine VP for eight years, and THEN he will get my rigorous support for the top job (for ANOTHER eight years).

                      Once he's learned more about the tactics of the rightwing, which he will learn as VP. 

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                • Author by Brabantio (February 01, 2008 10:37 am ET)
                     

                  "One being what was spoken and one being what was meant by what was spoken.  And that's why there are so many communication breakdowns between people, because people interpret what was "said" differently then what was meant by what was "said".  Clearly, in this case, the truncated quote was said but it has no relevence on what was meant by the entire statement."

                  So your concern is that someone might read the summary but not read the following article, because it's quite clear that they're using "say" as in "what was meant".  And then that person might think that Clinton didn't actually say those specific words, when in actually he was taken out of context and was making the exact opposite point.

                  What's the difference?  Either way the reader gets the point that it was inaccurate to attribute that sentiment to Clinton.  Are we supposed to value the work of Hill and Tapper more because they didn't fabricate those exact words, but instead completely misrepresented his meaning?

                  I'm not seeing the problem here. 

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                • Author by robotchubby (February 01, 2008 12:34 pm ET)
                     

                  Ok, maybe Media Matters should have had the headline:  "Echoing Drudge and ABC's Tapper, Fox News' Hill misconstrued Clinton's message about fighting global warming."

                  Can we now get past semantics and get to the point that those reporting this story are lying sacks of dung?

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                • Author by philib (February 02, 2008 9:43 am ET)
                     

                   "But the definition of the word "say" has multiple meanings. "

                     Does the definition of "is" come into play here? Does slick willey know what "is" means yet.   :)

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              • Author by U NO HOO (January 31, 2008 10:03 pm ET)
                   
                Of course, he said everyone knows global warming is true.  I don't.
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        • Author by bruce1ace (January 31, 2008 8:54 pm ET)
             
          In total I agree.  If you do a pull quote then the words are there.  I don't think it's accurate to say that Clinton never said that.
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          • Author by mefirst (January 31, 2008 9:00 pm ET)
               
            he never said what they said he did.  they went on to discuss it as if he did. 
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            • Author by mefirst (January 31, 2008 9:02 pm ET)
                 
              and he did not "clarify his point" after that, because that was not his point.
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          • Author by MoonbatYouBet (February 01, 2008 10:47 am ET)
               

            Great, if those are the rules then it would be completely fair to say that George W. Bush has said "I am a Nazi and I want to kill your children."  After all, I'm sure I can find him using every single one of the words in that sentence, just not in that order or all at the same time.

            Really, are you just being obtuse for some sort of perverse kick?

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      • Author by MoonbatYouBet (January 31, 2008 8:47 pm ET)
           

        "We could."  is not the same as "We could, but it won't work, so let's do something else instead." 

        Reporting anything that makes this radical leap in meaning is not just a mistake or editing for length, it is intentional lying.

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (February 01, 2008 3:37 am ET)
           

        "MMFA should be making the argument that Clintons comment is being misrepresented because obviously he clarified his poimt right after that."

         

        Again, repeat after me:

        H-Y-P-O-T-H-E-T-I-C-A-L 

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    • Author by mefirst (January 31, 2008 8:42 pm ET)
         
      she is deliberately lying and she will refuse to correct it.  or....she took tapper's mischaracterization as true, will realize she was passing false information and...will correct it.   which is it, fox?
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    • Author by zamfir273114 (January 31, 2008 9:01 pm ET)
         
      OMG!! They are totally spinning this. Bill Clinton did NOT say what they are saying he said. It is outrageous that they get away with this. Read the darn transcript!!
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    • Author by zamfir273114 (January 31, 2008 9:01 pm ET)
         
      This goes BEYONG "spinning". This is blatant LYING!
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    • Author by Clevenative (January 31, 2008 10:24 pm ET)
         

      The discouraging part of this story is in the title, “Echoing Drudge and ABC's Tapper,…”

      Another Clinton quote twisted into a lie by a wingnut pundit, being circulated through the mainstream media like wildfire – It never ends, does it?

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 01, 2008 1:06 am ET)
           

        Doesn't Fox pimp itself as "The most Trusted Name in News"?

        I know it's as meaningless as "THe KIng of Beers", but shouldn't they at least try to not do their reporting by using other networks and bloggers' cliff notes?

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        • Author by Clevenative (February 01, 2008 7:19 am ET)
             

          Notice they say “The most trusted name in news” and not “The most trustworthy name in news” . This is one Faux News slogan they can get away with, as it puts the onus on the perception of the viewer.  

          Trusted by their loyal viewers, maybe – but a trustworthy news source?, NOT! They’ve proven that time and time again, as has been well documented by MMFA.

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        • Author by Blue Dog (February 01, 2008 7:38 am ET)
             
          also, whether they're "the most trusted" isn't really measurable. I would recommend they use a tagline that is verifiable, maybe based on studies that have already been done, something like "Our viewers are consistently the most misinformed."
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    • Author by nerzog (February 01, 2008 9:41 am ET)
         
      This is a preview of what's to come. If the Democrats don't learn how to squelch this bullsh*t RIGHT NOW.... they're toast in November.

      It's already seeped into the conventional wisdom; I heard a reporter on the radio yesterday make a passing reference to Clinton "suggesting that we slow down the economy" to fight global warming.

      We must keep in mind that we're dealing with a Republican Propaganda apparatus that has no conscience, no integrity, and will do anything necessary to win an election. Couple that with a Corporate Press that is either complicit in the lie or too damned lazy to check it out... and you're looking at a real possibility of a President McCain. Can we really afford that?
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      • Author by mary59 (February 01, 2008 10:39 am ET)
           

        I'd say to that, "the only thing we have to fear is fear itself."  We need to stop hyperventilating about the future; simply take measures collectively and personally to promote peace and a positive future.  Getting active in local politics, calling and writing letters to let the people we elect or are running know what we expect from them.

        And have the relationships with our friends and family that we would like to see promoted in the wider world.

        End of sermon...sorry to tag on yours, I'm preaching to the choir. 

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    • Author by chin music (February 01, 2008 11:08 am ET)
         
      I don't think that there is a better example than this one to prove that fox, et. al. are deliberately lying to further a right wing propaganda agenda.  There really ought to be a law against this kind of thing.
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    • Author by thomp.steve9098 (February 01, 2008 12:10 pm ET)
         

      I'm sure many of you have already read and savored the mastermind's (Pat Buchanan) latest and brilliant article on the presidential campaign, but I thought I'd post it here as well for those who haven't.  I'll say "you're welcome" ahead of time. If you can't access the article through this link, just go the website of keen investigative journalist, Matt Drudge, and you'll find it there too.

      http://www.humanevents.com/search.php?author_name=Patrick%20J.%20Buchanan

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      • Author by nerzog (February 01, 2008 1:04 pm ET)
           
        Pat makes some valid points there. Though I don't necessarily agree with Pat on a lot of things, he was right on the Iraq War.

        Watching the Media Fluff that passes for news coverage these days, I find his final statement quite profound:

        "We are an unserious people in a serious time."
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    • Author by robotchubby (February 01, 2008 12:27 pm ET)
         

      Later during the segment, Payne said Clinton "talked about our grandchildren. Well, guess what? Our grandchildren will find ways of making money off of this, of finding new alternative energies, of improving technologies. So this so-called problem will actually become an incredible opportunity, as it has throughout the -- you know, with capitalism, the way capitalism works, if there is a problem, then, you know, there will be a financial solution."

      Maybe I have a sick sense of humor, but I find it funny watching someone's train of thought derail.  Anyone who uses "you know" frequently in a conversation is essentially saying "I don't."

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    • Author by noconspiracy (February 01, 2008 1:31 pm ET)
         
      On global warming, conservatives are just like frogs: if you throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, it will jump back out: if you put a frog into a pot of lukewarm water and slowly raise the heat, it will stay there until it boils to death.
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    • Author by Goodfella57 (February 01, 2008 1:46 pm ET)
         

      The fact is: Clilnton DID say this: "OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions 'cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren." But taken in context, it makes sense to the rest of his speech. Even E D Hill acknowledged that it was 'one part of his speech', bit it could have used more elaboration. 

      I point this out because MMfA uses the same tactic of lifting quotes  WITHOUT acknowledging the context. 

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      • Author by Brabantio (February 01, 2008 2:03 pm ET)
           

        "I point this out because MMfA uses the same tactic of lifting quotes  WITHOUT acknowledging the context."

        Examples?  You'll have to show that the added context adds a new interpretation, of course. 

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      • Author by mefirst (February 01, 2008 9:31 pm ET)
           
        when you can show that on any particular thread, then do so.  you don't get points by saying "mmfa does it too".
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