Radio host Mark Williams: "I have yet to meet anybody who likes" Sen. Clinton during his time in upstate New York
SUMMARY: On Fox News Live, radio host Mark Williams claimed, "I've been in upstate New York in the Albany area for the last couple of weeks, and I have yet to meet anybody who likes" Sen. Hillary Clinton. However, two recent polls of likely New York state Democratic primary voters show that a majority of respondents from the upstate region said they will support Clinton in the February 5 Democratic primary.
Appearing on the February 2 edition of Fox News Live, radio host Mark Williams said of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-NY), "I've been in upstate New York in the Albany area for the last couple of weeks, and I have yet to meet anybody who likes this woman." However, according to a January 30-31 SurveyUSA poll and a January 30-31 WNBC/Marist poll, both of likely New York state Democratic primary voters, a majority of respondents from upstate New York say that they will support Clinton in the February 5 Democratic primary.
From the 4 p.m. ET hour of the February 2 edition of Fox News Live:
GREG JARRETT (co-host): David, you know, we hear all the time that polls say Hillary is polarizing. Does that mean, though, that people nevertheless respect her intellect?
DAVID CORN (Mother Jones Washington bureau chief): Well, I know there are a lot of people watching this network whose hair is going to turn on fire when they see numbers like this. Because there are a lot of people out there who really dislike Hillary Clinton, but that's not all the population. A lot of people out there do think she's experienced, that she's intelligent, and whether they support her politically or not.
And what's interesting is, these numbers don't say much about Super Tuesday. What they say is something big about the next Tuesday in November, the one that really counts. And you look at Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton being people that the public would like to see talk on TV for the next four years -- more than the leading Republican candidates. And they see Hillary, at least, as being prepared, if not more prepared, than John McCain to win.
So if you're John McCain or Mitt Romney, you look at these numbers, you should be kind of worried.
JULIE BANDERAS (co-host): But if you are Hillary Clinton and you look at the numbers of the poll that we're about to show you, Mark, you're a little confused. And I don't know, how does she get herself out of this one? Here's the question: Most likely to embarrass the county. Clinton, number one there, 37 percent; and Romney, McCain, Obama all trailing pretty significantly. I mean, at this point -- I think, first of all, what is Hillary to do at this point? I mean, she's getting close to Super Tuesday. You've got polls out there that say that basically she's so unlikable. Obviously blame the husband, I would imagine, right?
WILLIAMS: Well, partly. I mean, I've been in upstate New York in the Albany area for the last couple of weeks, and I have yet to meet anybody who likes this woman. And in terms of embarrassing the country, that's a given. If she gets elected we're going to be having office pools over the exact date and time.
As Bill Maher says, anybody who hates Hillary just hates themselves. Really, she hasn't done anything to inspire these people to keep repeating these ridiculous canards. Seems there are plenty of people that do like Hillary judging from the fact that she is still a co front runner.
I can understand how people, like you, would like her. She has a global warming plan that saves the world by 2050 (only costing $170billion). http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/energy/ Too bad 1/3 of all animals in existance (now) will be extinct by 2050 by global warming. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/01/0107_040107_extinction.html
Maybe only 10-25 years from now: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/16/60minutes/main1323169.shtml
Darn those scientists who say global warming is irreversable within Clinton's timeframe for saving the world. But, at least it only will cost $170 billion (during her terms only) while we die in the floods of global warming. Tax dollars well spent.
PHILIB:
That tune sounds familiar. Aren't you the same guy who wrote, "Save Those Confederate Dollars, Boys, The South Will Rise Again!"????
"That tune sounds familiar."
It sounds familiar because you're falling for it hook/line/sinker. How would YOU describe her global warming plan? Are your scientists now incorrect in their guesses to determin the end of the world? Or, are you simply living in global warming denial? Hey, I'm just pointing out she has a great plan to save the world from global warming. It isn't my fault the scientists leftwingnuts choose to believe say the world will end before her plan does.
And you are still deny monkey meat started HIV, even though "most scientists" have told you so for years. Explain to me, again, why is the 'big bang' theory the best one? Oh yeah, because "most scientists" think so. Have you flip-flopped on your theory of where HIV came from, yet? Hate to think you disagree with "most scientists" on any given subject. After all, you demand that the theory's of "most scientists" should be given priority in our public schools. You must have skipped the days HIV was taught?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801310003?f=s_search
And you are still denying monkey meat started HIV, even though "most scientists" have told you so for years. Explain to me, again, why is the 'big bang' theory the best one? Oh yeah, because "most scientists" think so. Have you flip-flopped on your theory of where HIV came from, yet? Hate to think you disagree with "most scientists" on any given subject. After all, you demand that the theory's of "most scientists" should be given priority in our public schools. You must have skipped the days HIV was taught?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801310003?f=s_search
Explain to me, again, why is the 'big bang' theory the best one? Oh yeah, because "most scientists" think so.
It's quite a bit stronger than that. Virtually all scientists with expertise in the field are in agreement that the big bang occurred approximately 13.7 billion years ago. This is the product of a large amount of experimentation, observation and calculation. The physics and the mathematics of the almost-completely-formed big bang theory all work. No shoehorning or manufacturing of data is necessary. They've taken the physics of the big bang back to within a fraction of a second after it began.
If "most scientists" think the big bang theory is correct, it's for fantastically good reason. It fits all the facts.
"It's quite a bit stronger than that."
Hey, there we go! Your arguement is sooo much better because "virtually all" instead of "most" (scientists who believe blah-blah) is used. I'll bet that arguement floats a long way in your world of facts, huh?
1+1=2 is a FACT. When you can prove absolutely your theory is correct, then I'll believe you. In the meantime, I'll stick with a theory that proves itself true daily...by the grace of God, I'm alive today.
Your mention of monkey meat and AIDS makes it clear you get your "information" straight from The Silly Savage.
As to people not liking Sen. Clinton, she was elected by the good folks of the State of New York. Obviously, somebody likes her...
"Your mention of monkey meat and AIDS makes it clear you get your "information" straight from The Silly Savage."
Science, like facts and truth, are something most leftwingnuts don't like when it ruins their hateful rants.
http://www.avert.org/origins.htm and http://originofaids.com/ and http://uhavax.hartford.edu/bugl/rise.htm
I guess I fell for it. Good job worrierking! Is your job to take a conservative voice 'off topic', then the rest will 'flag' his comments and you get a quick 'censorship job' done to a voice which is unpopular on this web site? Take a look at my response to you in this link. Tell me what you think happened. I think I know, so this will probably be my last post to you.
And, to think, all the posters on this site claim they want to know. Then, when faced with knowledge, they censor it. Good job, worrierking+mmfa. That adds a lot of integrity to your names.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801310003?f=s_search
PHILIB:
I notice you scoff at the notion that "most scientists" agree on some things, then you pick out a few extreme examples that VERY FEW scientists concur with, to prove your point?
Global warming cannot be a real problem, because eating green monkeys caused AIDS? I guess this sort of 'reasoning' must have some persuasive power amongst the rightwing, but it's truly off the wall in any intelligent forum.
There IS climate disruption occuring and it IS influenced by man-made additions to the formula. We can get together and try to DO something about it, for the good of ALL, or we can scoff and deny and live for the day (and THIS quarter's profits).
It's obvious YOU are of the latter mindset. The rest of us will strive to make voices of reason agents of change.
"There IS climate disruption occuring and it IS influenced by man-made additions to the formula."
I'm not denying that! I scoff at the fact you don't mind $170 billion being spent in 8 years putting our emmission levels to 80% of what they were a few years ago by the year 2050. Then reducing oil imports 2/3rds of what they 'may be' in 2030 (so she's guessing we'll import a certain amount then she will reduce that mythical number by 2/3rds).
We have real problems, now that deserve more immediate attention. $170 Billion is a lot of money, how bout when you "do something" the project costs equal to what it will achieve (this case, very little for very much). I understand that with global warming happening you care more about your own comfort than you do any homeless persons comfort. If you don't mind the homeless living their lives like they do while you worry about the planet destroying itself, then no problem. Personally, I would prefer the homeless having a comfortable living while they wait for the inevitable along side you. Instead of freezing while you live in comfort waiting for the same inevitibility.
Williams really needs to get out more. I live upstate NY and there's lots of people who like Hillary up here. He's just another Hillary-hating talking head who is talking out of his a$$.
In the past '06 election, she got 61% of the Upstate New York vote - up from 48% in 2000. If upstaters disliked her, she wouldn't have won re-election by that large a margin.
I suppose anyone is free to say whatever they want, but from the looks of this map of the election results of the 2006 New York Senate race, Mark Williams must not have stepped foot outside The Republican headquarters in Albany….
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006/pages/results/states/NY/S/01/index.html
The map is divided by counties. The blue areas of the state were won by Hillary (all but 3 counties) – the darker the shade of blue, the higher the margin of victory. Mouse-over or click the darkest blue county area near the middle of the far eastern side of the state – THAT IS ALBANY! (71% of the vote)
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Williams gets out quite a bit in New York to see others very much like himself. They all live at the New York Zoo! They are the most vicious of the animals residing there.
Wasn't that just the best?
YES ! YES ! YES IT WAS ! !
I politely wished my Patriot friends good luck before the game had begun! They all arrogantly threw it back in my face... "We Don't Need Good Luck!" Our Pats are the greatest team of all time!
At that point I just wanted to get a Voodoo Doll of Tom Brady and some accupunture pins... But... instead I enjoyed the company of some Giant's Fans. In my heart I was praying for just a small dose of Justice in this Super Bowl Game!
I was rewarded with a GIANT Dose of Justice! Amazing Finish and historical UpSet!
In our view, the one Democratic candidate who is best prepared to face these challenges is New York Sen. Hillary Clinton. We urge voters in New York's Feb. 5 Democratic primary, as well as Democrats who will go to the polls in 21 other states that day, to support her.
Where did this January 27, 2008 endorsement come from, Mr. Williams? Why, the ALBANY, New York Times-Union!
Clinton was endorsed last year by every statewide elected official in New York, and by many other elected leaders, including Schenectady Mayor Brian Stratton. They say she would be in a position as president to help the state and local communities. Stratton is an alternate delegate for Clinton in the 21st Congressional District. Her delegate slate in the district also includes the leaders of the rival factions in Albany Democratic politics, Mayor Jerry Jennings and County Executive Mike Breslin.
I could go on, but I think I made my point.
Sometimes, it's endearing to have an occasion "bring out the child" in people. Wonderment, innocence, and uncomplicated happiness.
Sometime, a child can be cruel and unthinking, selfish and mean.
This election season is bringing out the CHILD in Republicans, angry and petulant children. "Nobody likes you!" is a favorite elementary school-yard taunt, and it seems insecure immature bullies don't forget the technique.
(In half the cases, of course, the technique was used AGAINST THEM, so now they have the "size" to release those years of pent-up rage and frustration.)
You have no point.
Every statewide elected official in New York is a downstater and a Democrat. Not one of them, including HRC herself, is from upstate.
Gov. Spitzer (D) Manhattan
Lt. Gov Paterson (D) Manhattan
Comptroller Dinapoli (D) Nassau County [He was not actually elected. He was appointed to fill the term of Alan Hevesi, also a Democrat from Queens, who was ousted for misappropiating governmnet funds]
Atty Gen. Andrew Cuomo (D) Manhattan
Sen HRC (D) Chappaqua [Westchester County]
Sen Schumer (D) Manhattan
Not only is Hillary disliked widely in upstate NY, but these people you reference are all disliked there as well, even by people who voted for them.
Williams specifically mentioned that he found no supporters "in the Albany area."
The city of Albany is not a borough of New York City.
Albany County does not border New York County. (That's Manhattan, for those unfamiliar with New York's geography).
Hillary Clinton has the endorsements of the Albany Times-Union, Albany Mayor Gerald Jennings, and Albany County Executive Mike Breslin.
Clinton is also endorsed by the Mayor of Watervliet, in Albany County, and Albany area Congressman Mike McNulty.
Therefore, contrary to Williams, Clinton does have supporters in "the Albany area."Which of these officials you mention occupies a statewide elective office? This was the point of the reference link provided in the previous post. The poster was asserting that HRC is universlly supported by the statewide office holders. His argument is not relevant to her popularity or likability with upstaters since not one of the officials he cited is an upstater. --> The original poster was making an absurd argument.
Williams asserted that he had not met anyone in Upstate that LIKED HRC. To refute that claim you need to have a complete list of those he spoke with about their like or dislike for HRC. So far, you've presented no evidence that Williams had any conversations with anyone about their like or dislikes for HRC. You confuse support politically with like personally. and cite Albany County politicos who support HRC without any evidence they actually like her. HRC has many supporters upstate, but darn few of those people actually like her. She is about as likable as a tarantula. Nor have you demonstarted that Williams had any conversations with any of these people about liking HRC.
Your argument is absurd since you do not address the content of Williams' proposition.
Sre you really this stupid?
Here, VERBATIM, is what Williams said:
"I've been in upstate New York in the Albany area for the last couple of weeks, and I have yet to meet anybody who likes" Sen. Hillary Clinton.
I've demonstrated conclusively that there are several "someone" in the Albany area who "like" Hillary Clinton, including Mike McNulty, Mike Breslin, and Jerry Jennings. yeah, they're political figures, but the average Albany voter doesn't have his endorsement noted by the press.
Since I can't give you a by name list of the Albany area people who like Hillary Clinton, let this map suffice. It shows that in her 2006 Senate reelection, Hillary Clinton got 71 percent of the vote in Albany County. That translates to 72,255 Albany County voters who liked Clinton.
Now, imagine what the numbers would look like if I included the other counties near Albany.
I'm right. Williams is wrong. So are you.
Also, Schumer's not from Manhattan.
Williams is from the Dallas area. When "visiting", one tends to ask friends about where to go and who to meet. It's natural. For example, if a rightwinger like Williams was visiting the Washington D.C. area, he might ask fellow journalist Jeff Gannon where the "action" was. Following this direction, it's completely understandable that he could spend WEEKS in a new area without ever having to meet or talk to someone who was not a "fellow traveler".
It would seem polite, if not ethical, to give a sort-of rundown of the amount of "asking around" Williams actually DID to arrive at his anecdotal absolute, which "people" he's been talking to, and where ... but then again, such information can often be self-incriminating.
So if (a) Williams doesn't hang out with any dirty effin' hippies and (b) all Hillary supporters are dirty effin' hippies, we can conclude that (c) Williams doesn't hang out with any Hillary supporters.
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So Tex, your saying it was so very Larry Craig of him?
Happy Thoughts;
Dan Grady
DAN:
I'm saying it may well be that the width of his stance may affect how much and what kind of "data" he is likely to "download", in order to pontificate about whether people LIKE anyone, or NOT.
Williams had no response. A complete idiot!
You mean he actually let you get through all that without calling you ignorant, telling you to shut up, or disconnecting your call? I’m amazed.
Hey I live in Massachusetts & I've yet to talk to anybody who is supporting McCain or Obama. Now of course there are such folks, I just haven't personally come across them.
So I'm not sure what the big deal here is...
Mr. Williams is a complete idiot. Some time ago he was a guest host on Hate Talk 560 here in San Francisco. A caller asked "When is the ACLU going to stick up for regular Americans and traditional American values and religion?" Williams, of course, agreed.
I called in and off the top of my head gave him 3 solid examples: The ACLU supporting a high school student's right to have a Biblical verse printed under her yearbook photo; the ACLU going to court to support the right of Virginia churches to incorporate; and the ACLU supporting a church's right to hold baptism ceramonies in a public park. And they support Ole BlunderRush keeping his medical records confidential (I don't go along with that one, but so what?).
Williams, of course, wasn' t man enough to admit he was wrong...
There is far more to upstate than Albany, the state capital, located adjacent to the Massachusetts border in eastern New York.
Here in western New York (Rochester), there was some dislike and distrust of Hillary Clinton when she ran for the U.S. Senate the first time around. A bunch of "Hillary Never" bumper stickers appeared on cars all over the place, especially in the Finger Lakes region to our south.
But Hillary won the race by visiting every region of the state and allowing people to get to see her in person, not through the colored lens of Chris Matthews' personal obsessions, the bizarre Dick Morris on Fox News, or the minions of right wing loons who are still convinced she had Vince Foster murdered.
Her popularity rating in this state has been on the rise ever since her first election, and in 2006 she easily won re-election with a massive vote for her. The GOP barely even bothered to run a candidate against her. She won handily in the very regions of the state that Mark Williams (who needs to get out of Albany if he wants to see the real New York) claims nobody likes her.
I'm an Obama supporter in the primary (New York will not be an all-Hillary state on Super Tuesday), but will proudly and happily vote for Hillary Clinton if she becomes the nominee.