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After viewing Rove's erroneous analysis, Wallace touted Rove's "level of analysis"

February 08, 2008 4:56 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On Fox & Friends, Chris Wallace said of Karl Rove's performance as a Fox News contributor: "[I]t's humbling, because it makes you realize that these real political professionals have a level of analysis and see things in the returns that we don't even understand. And his ability to crunch those numbers and project delegates and see things from the exit polls about what it told us about strengths and weaknesses." But neither Wallace nor any of the Fox & Friends co-hosts mentioned Rove's history of flawed political predictions and analysis, including his false claim the previous night that John McCain "is beating [Barack] Obama and beating [Hillary] Clinton."

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On the February 8 edition of Fox & Friends, Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace said of former White House adviser Karl Rove: "Listen, let me just say, I think that -- I think that Karl Rove is a natural at this. I mean, it was so interesting to be seated alongside him on Super Tuesday. And this guy sits there and he crunches numbers -- he didn't have all his computers; he just had a piece of paper and a pen, and he's sitting there crunching numbers." He continued: "I mean, one of the things it does, it's humbling, because it makes you realize that these real political professionals have a level of analysis and see things in the returns that we don't even understand. And his ability to crunch those numbers and project delegates and see things from the exit polls about what it told us about strengths and weaknesses." Referring to Rove's recent hiring as a Fox News contributor, Wallace added, "[H]e is going to be a huge resource for our network." At no point did Wallace or any of the Fox & Friends co-hosts -- Steve Doocy, Gretchen Carlson, and Brian Kilmeade -- mention Rove's history of flawed political predictions and analysis, including his false claim on the previous night's Hannity & Colmes -- which Wallace stated he watched -- that "in national polls, [Republican presidential candidate John] McCain is beating [Democratic presidential candidates Barack] Obama and [Hillary Rodham] Clinton."

In fact, the three most recent national polls -- conducted by CNN, Time, and Rasmussen Reports -- found that Obama leads McCain in a head-to-head match-up. Clinton leads McCain in the CNN poll, the two are tied in the Time poll, and McCain leads Clinton in the Rasmussen poll. Further, in the most recent Fox News poll, Obama leads McCain, while McCain leads Clinton. The Real Clear Politics average of the seven most recent national head-to-head polls shows that Obama leads McCain by 3.5 percent and that McCain leads Clinton by 1.6 percent.

Media Matters for America has previously noted Rove's erroneous political predictions. An October 18, 2006, Washington Times article headlined "Rove foresees GOP victory" quoted him as saying: "I'm confident we're going to keep the Senate; I'm confident we're going to keep the House." During the October 24, 2006, edition of National Public Radio's All Things Considered, Rove told host Robert Siegel, "I'm looking at all of these, Robert, and adding them up. I add up to a Republican Senate and Republican House. You may end up with a different math but you are entitled to your math and I'm entitled to the math." Democrats ultimately won 30 House seats and six Senate seats, thus regaining control of both chambers of Congress.

During the 2000 presidential election, Rove predicted that George W. Bush, then the governor of Texas, would win 320 electoral votes, according to a November 6, 2006, St. Petersburg Times article. According to a November 6, 2000, Houston Chronicle article, Rove also predicted that "Bush will get about 50 percent of the popular vote, with [Vice President Al] Gore at about 45 percent." The article went on to report that "Rove discounted the much-discussed possibility that Gore could win the Electoral College while losing the national popular vote to Bush, a scenario that has not occurred since 1888." The Chronicle quoted Rove responding, "You had a weird set of political dynamics (in 1888) that are not repeatable in modern America." In fact, the election was split, and Bush did not receive 50 percent of the popular vote or garner 320 electoral votes; Gore won 48.38 percent of the popular vote and Bush 47.87 percent, while 271 electors voted for Bush and 266 voted for Gore.

Appearing on the December 2, 2007, edition of Fox News Sunday, Rove said of the 2008 elections, "I'm confident the Republican candidates are going to have enough money to make enough damage out of this record to make gains in the Congress." Wallace did not note that Rove had wrongly predicted the outcome of the last congressional election.

From the February 8 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:

KILMEADE: You know what? I -- watching you with Karl Rove made me look back at when [former pro football quarterback] Terry Bradshaw first retired and went with [sportscaster] Vern Lundquist in the booth. He had such raw ability, you saw greatness there, but he was -- you never knew what was going to happen. Seeing you with Karl Rove, I thought of a young Terry Bradshaw; four Super Bowl rings, a lot of success. How did he do in your industry after leaving his industry, in your mind?

WALLACE: I -- wait, for a minute there, I thought you were comparing me to a young, raw talent like Terry Bradshaw.

CARLSON: That's what I thought.

KILMEADE: No, no --

WALLACE: Yeah, I did, too. But now I realize that you were comparing me to the old, fat guy, Vern Lundquist.

[laughter]

KILMEADE: He's not that fat, and he might be watching.

WALLACE: He's pretty fat, and he's pretty old. Give me a break, guys. Anyway --

CARLSON: I was hoping he wasn't doing that, Wallace, but I'm not so sure.

WALLACE: Listen, let me just say, I think that -- I think that Karl Rove is a natural at this. I mean, it was so interesting to be seated alongside him on Super Tuesday. And this guy sits there and he crunches numbers -- he didn't have all his computers; he just had a piece of paper and a pen, and he's sitting there crunching numbers. I mean, one of the things it does, it's humbling, because it makes you realize that these real political professionals have a level of analysis and see things in the returns that we don't even understand. And his ability to crunch those numbers and project delegates and see things from the exit polls about what it told us about strengths and weaknesses. He is going to be, you know -- now, of course, he's a Fox News contributor -- he is going to be a huge resource for our network. He -- I saw him last night on Hannity & Colmes. I mentioned your name, Brian. He said, who?

CARLSON: He was on our show Wednesday morning.

KILMEADE: He still said "who?" at the end.

WALLACE: That's true. You did not make much of an impression on him, but I will tell you that I'll put in a good word for you. No, he's great. He's really quite extraordinary. And I think he's a great hire. And he said he'd very much like to be on the couch with Steve and Gretchen.

KILMEADE: Tell the president I said hi.

STEVE DOOCY (co-host): Fantastic report, Vern, thank you very much for joining us live.

KILMEADE: The old, fat guy. That's real nice.

From the February 7 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

HANNITY: Let me ask you -- he did acknowledge and point out a number of times during the speech the divide that he's had with conservatives. We've seen this in the exit poll data, Karl. He also highlighted where he thinks there is deep agreement within the Republican movement. And there are a number of issues, and I thought he made a strong case for that. He acknowledged where he would be different than Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.

But, let me ask you this question: He talks about the Straight Talk Express. I, for example -- I've been on radio. I've begun my 20th year on radio. On not just a couple of issues, I have substance disagreements with him -- immigration, free speech, ANWR [Arctic National Wildlife Refuge], the death tax. He says he'll now extend the Bush tax cuts; he voted against them. Gitmo interrogations. Those are substantive differences. How does he bridge the gap further with conservatives like myself that want to hear more than a speech?

ROVE: Yeah. Well, look, remember this: A lot of grassroots conservatives had another candidate, but they think highly of him. That's why in national polls, McCain is beating Obama and beating Clinton. It's because he is able to unite the Republican Party and grab a bunch of independents and discerning Democrats enough that he's leading both of them in the national polls.

That is to say, let's be careful about overstating conservative disenchantment with McCain. Lots of conservatives have specific disagreements with him on issues. True. But at the end of the day, those -- in polls, when asked, "Are you for McCain or Clinton, or Obama or Clinton?" they -- or Obama or McCain, the Republicans unite. Conservatives say, "We're for McCain," and as a result, he leads in the polls.

As I go around the country, I run into people who say, "Look, I disagree with McCain on this or that. I'm for this candidate or that candidate. But you know what? I admire him and I could vote for him." And I think that's what we're going to see in the weeks ahead, particularly if McCain builds on what he did today.

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    • Author by ConstanceRifleII (February 08, 2008 5:02 pm ET)
         
      Let's see, he called the 2006 elections for the Republicans, he's the architect behind the last 7 years in Washington, and he started the whisper campaign that John McCain has an illegitimate black child.  Why is Fox listening to him?  Why am I even asking?
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (February 08, 2008 5:14 pm ET)
           
        Shhhh.... stop thinking so much, and stare at the Magic Dry Erase Board. See how happy Chris Wallace is? He's accepted the board. Why can't you just enjoy The Board? The Board is beautiful.
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        • Author by worrierking (February 08, 2008 5:30 pm ET)
             

          I agree Colonel. With Wallace too.  Rove's abilities are truly humbling.

          And he does it with just a pen, paper, and the dry erase board and dry erase writing thingamajig.

          You mentioned the other day that growing up some Democrats didn't have computers. There was a huge computer gap. Today, there seems to be a dry erase board gap.

          We can't let them beat us! We've got to invest in this new technology.

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          • Author by pete592 (February 08, 2008 6:06 pm ET)
               
            I think the maker board is temporary until they fix  the 'R' and 'D' keys on the  Chyron.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (February 08, 2008 6:14 pm ET)
               

            Hiya, Worrierking. I don't think it's just a matter of the technology.

             Sure, Wallace might not be as mesmerized by my chunk of limestone or the pointy stick I use to write on it, but it's not only the equipment.

             Rove seems to have the ability to watch TV as the election returns come in, write down the numbers he sees, and perform addition and subtraction.

            We need the technology, and the skills to push that technology to its fullest potential. Only then will the media start to notice our wizardry.

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    • Author by tbone (February 08, 2008 5:41 pm ET)
         

      Chris Wallace:  Mr. Rove, can I get you anything?  Shine your shoes?  Carry your briefcase?

      Mike Wallace:  How can you bear to watch your son sell his soul?  Please go slap some responsibility into him. 

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      • Author by juliajayne (February 08, 2008 6:01 pm ET)
           

        Well, he hasn't been able to slap that smirky grin off Chris' face, so.........I think his soul is beyond redemption.

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        • Author by lapsedlawyer (February 10, 2008 4:16 am ET)
             
          Funny how CW's smirk mirrors that of Fixed Noise's preffered pol, GW.
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    • Author by tommy (February 08, 2008 5:58 pm ET)
         
      If Rove's "level of analysis" was so damn good, perhaps he could analyze why, as being the chief architect behind the Bush presidency, it is ending up as an utter failure.
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    • Author by nerzog (February 08, 2008 6:03 pm ET)
         
      I found this picture of Karl on the night of the 2006 election returns:

      http://www.theraider.net/films/raiders/gallery/makingof/mo_77.jpg
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    • Author by dazedandconfused26 (February 08, 2008 6:15 pm ET)
         

      Hey give Rove some credit, there is a legitamate reason they worship him like this. I mean this guy got numbnuts two terms. I mean Rove is slime, but you gotta respect an achievement like that.

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    • Author by mary59 (February 08, 2008 6:18 pm ET)
         

      Krazy Karl crunching his crooked numbers, Chris W. croons crazily about Karl & his craftiness at crunchery,

      Kool-ade crackpots continue kowtowing craze over Karl, &  kiss up 'cause cronies can't call out kooky comrades.  Killmeade, Chrissy & Carlson caterwall at Karl's cartoon caption camouflage.

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    • Author by dangrady (February 08, 2008 6:55 pm ET)
         

      SAVE DEMOCRACY, VOTE FOR A DEMOCRAT!!

      He's is currently sighted for contempt of Congress and the AG won't do anything, he outs a CIA Operative for political revenge, violates the Hatch Act in every imaginable way, lies to Americans about the cause for war, has made our democratic government a political machine, an Tamney Hall in the White House, makes our civil liberties an after thought, a real Goebbels for our time, THE PERFECT POLITICAL ANALYST FOR FOX NEWS.

      Happy Thoughts;

      Dan Grady

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    • Author by unitarianpatriot (February 08, 2008 7:11 pm ET)
         
      That they don't introduce the guy as a treasonous betrayer of a covert CIA agent is the crime. THEN they can note that any comments he makes on McCain should be evaluated in light of the smearing of the man in the 2000 South Carolina primary. And THEN they can point out that he's wrong on nearly all of his predictions. As Casey Stengel said, "Never make predictions, especially about the future." The only things they should concede that he knows one whit about are stealing elections, being a cowardly smear merchant and raping democracy.
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      • Author by mefirst (February 08, 2008 8:05 pm ET)
           
        rove and libby had a concerted plan to give plame's identity to reporters before novak even printed it.  and novak was the confirming source for novak, and did absolutely nothing to dissuade him from using her name.  rove and libby should have been kicked to the curb the day after her name was revealed.  they both violated their security oaths. instead the bush white house protected and lied for them.  we went through 18 months of turmoil over oral sex, and yet the entire republican establishment and the mainstream media support and honor rove.  he's trash. 
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    • Author by tex (February 10, 2008 10:07 am ET)
         

      Rove IS a specialist and a professional.

      In the mob, there is a specialist called a "CLEANER". After a big, messy HIT, or a particularly gruesome "interrogation" session, the CLEANER is called in, and he mops up the mess, disposes of all the evidence, and does so in such a way that nothing will ever be found, or if it happens to turn up by some quirk of happenstance, it can never be tied to the people who did it.

      It's a highly prized specialization, and it takes considerable skill and shrewdness.

      Now a CLEANER might also bet on the ponies. You could bring in that CLEANER, and get him to speculate on the day's races, but it's not really his strong suit. He IS a SPECIALIST, and with tremendous knowledge and expertise, but NOT on the task you are asking him to accomplish. 

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    • Author by charlequin (February 10, 2008 9:40 pm ET)
         
      IT's well worth it to maintain a record of Faux Nooz, since they count on no one remembering how many times they've fed us lies or, perhaps sometimes, flawed analyses. But they're just telling their "fans" (as they call them) what they tune in for, so there won't be any changes.

      When are we going to get some real freedom in the television market, and not be forced to subsidize the likes of Fox?
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