Ignoring conservative record, MSNBC's Barnicle claimed that McCain is "in the middle"
SUMMARY: On Morning Joe, Mike Barnicle claimed that while in "most campaigns," "Republicans begin on the right for their campaign and come to the middle for the fall," John McCain is "in the middle and he has to swing right for the primaries." In fact, McCain has already shifted rightward on immigration and taxes, and McCain himself has asserted that he is a "mainstream conservative."
On the February 11 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, co-host Mika Brzezinski asked whether Republican presidential candidate John McCain would "potentially alienate himself from independents and other Republicans" by "trying to appeal to the conservative base." In response, guest co-host Mike Barnicle asserted that McCain "has to figure out, you know, does he remain true to himself, in which he would obviously have immense appeal to independents in the fall, or does he play to the band right now in the spring." Barnicle also claimed that while in "most campaigns," "Republicans begin on the right for their campaign and come to the middle for the fall," McCain is "in the middle and he has to swing right for the primaries." In fact, McCain has already "play[ed] to the band" by shifting rightward on high-profile issues such as immigration and taxes. Further, a prominent study by political science professors Keith Poole and Jeff Lewis indicates that his Senate record is not "in the middle." McCain has also rejected the idea that he is a moderate or "in the middle," instead asserting that he is a "mainstream conservative."
Poole and Lewis' study ranked McCain as the eighth most conservative member of the 110th Senate, the second most conservative member of the 109th Senate, and the fourth most conservative member of the 108th Senate. The Poole-Rosenthal ratings system, developed by Poole and political science professor Howard Rosenthal and known as NOMINATE, has become widely used among political scientists (see here for a list of academic studies that have used the Poole-Rosenthal system to evaluate legislative votes in both the U.S. and other countries). The system uses every non-unanimous vote cast by every legislator to determine his or her relative ideology.
In a February 7 speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference, McCain asserted that he is "proud to be a conservative," adding that his "record in public office taken as a whole is the record of a mainstream conservative." From the speech:
I am proud to be a conservative, and I make that claim because I share with you that most basic of conservative principles: that liberty is a right conferred by our Creator, not by governments, and that the proper object of justice and the rule of law in our country is not to aggregate power to the state but to protect the liberty and property of its citizens. And like you, I understand, as Edmund Burke observed, that "whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither . . . is safe."
While I have long worked to help grow a public majority of support for Republican candidates and principles, I have also always believed, like you, in the wisdom of Ronald Reagan, who warned in an address to this conference in 1975, that "a political party cannot be all things to all people. It must represent certain fundamental beliefs which must not be compromised to political expediency or simply to swell its numbers."
I attended my first CPAC conference as the invited guest of Ronald Reagan, not long after I had returned from overseas, when I heard him deliver his "shining city upon a hill" speech. I was still a naval officer then, but his words inspired and helped form my own political views, just as Ronald Reagan's defense of America's cause in Vietnam and his evident concern for American prisoners of war in that conflict inspired and were a great comfort to those of us who, in my friend Jerry Denton's words, had the honor of serving "our country under difficult circumstances." I am proud, very proud, to have come to public office as a foot soldier in the Reagan Revolution. And if a few of my positions have raised your concern that I have forgotten my political heritage, I want to assure you that I have not, and I am as proud of that association today as I was then. My record in public office taken as a whole is the record of a mainstream conservative. I believe today, as I believed twenty-five years ago, in small government; fiscal discipline; low taxes; a strong defense, judges who enforce, and not make, our laws; the social values that are the true source of our strength; and, generally, the steadfast defense of our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, which I have defended my entire career as God-given to the born and unborn.
Those are my beliefs, and you need not examine only my past votes and speeches to assure yourselves that they are my genuine convictions.
Several print publications have recently referred to McCain as a "moderate," despite McCain's record and his assertion that he is "proud to be a conservative":
- In a February 9 New York Times article, staff writers Michael M. Grynbaum and John Harwood wrote that the "fast-fading presidential dreams" of New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg are "diminished by the success of Senator John McCain, a moderate candidate who has emerged as the Republican front-runner."
- A February 9 Associated Press article reported that Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) "said he would counsel McCain, a moderate Republican, to pick a conservative as his running mate to gain the support of conservatives."
- A February 8 Washington Post article by staff writers Michael D. Shear, Chris Cillizza, and Glenn Kessler reported that when former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney began his presidential run, he "looked like the ideal Republican candidate -- a conservative who seemed certain to face either McCain or [former New York City Mayor Rudy] Giuliani, both men whose moderate credentials would force them to run as centrists."
Media Matters for America has documented the broadcast and print media's habit of using the label "maverick" when discussing McCain.
From the February 12 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:
BRZEZINSKI: He does great with the crowd. But the question, Barnicle, I have for you about this is: In terms of John McCain trying to appeal to the conservative base, maybe even having the president putting his arm around him to help him with the conservative base, does he potentially alienate himself from independents and other Republicans who could go for someone like Barack Obama? Is there a scenario there, or am I too far down the road?
BARNICLE: No, I think that's the trick, that's the trick for John McCain. He has to figure out, you know, does he remain true to himself, in which he would obviously have immense appeal to a lot of independents in the fall --
BRZEZINSKI: Absolutely.
BARNICLE: -- or does he play to the band right now in the spring. I mean, most campaigns, they begin -- the Democrats begin in the left in the spring and have to come toward the middle for the fall. Republicans begin on the right for their campaign and come to the middle for the fall. He's in the middle --
BRZEZINSKI: Right.
BARNICLE: -- and he has to swing right for the primaries.















I think we're getting closer and closer to seeing just why the Republican Noise Machine has delegated certain members of their force to rake Mr. McCain over: To distance him from the more certain losing qualities of their Party today, namely "conservativism" and George W. Bush, and rush limbaugh and ann coulter.
And if you were to say that "conservativism" (whatever that is) is not a losing quality on that side of the aisle, then I would point out that the balance that the aisle makes, underwent a rather remarkable (historic!) shift in the most recent national elections of 2006, and that the single most significant aspect of the Primaries so far in 2008, is the record-breaking turn-out for Democrats...
"John, if we're going to get you into the Oval Office in November, we're going to have to distance you from conservatives, and from George W. Bush, and we're going to use rush and ann and others to do that... you don't have a problem with that strategy, do you John?"
"Just get me in there damnit!"
[It's all becoming clearer now, as the pieces fit together... it reminds me of that scene in the movie, where the Chief Inspector begins to relate to his Deputy how everything is connected in the matter, all the way back to the attacks, and that it's all playing out as if it were pre-determined in some way...
And he is saying all this, against a montage of video depicting the political strife over the past number of years, and against the backdrop of "V" beginning to topple the many dominos he has set up, to spell out his name.)
Interesting that MMFA would just take McCain's word for what he is, a mainstream conservative. I guess that's why he continues to lose primaries to the more socially conservative candidate in Mike Huckabee now that there's only two candidates left, and why he got roundly boo'd at that conservative convention.
Boy that's pretty mainstream conservative there, MMFA. Nice argument.
Compared to a guy who thinks the Jesus rode to church on a dinosaur, everyone looks moderate. But McCain isn't. He might not be conservative enough for those that booed him at the CPAC but that doesn't mean he's not a right winger. His positions are and have been consistently conservative.
I think this effort to paint him as a moderate is an effort to pick up supposed moderates in the supposed middle.
I'm copying without permission, but giving full credit to WebProgrammer on the Boehlert thread.
One of the reasons it took me so long to understand conservatism was that I kept hearing people talk about "real conservatives", and "true conservatives", and "sincere conservatives", and I kept looking around wondering where they all were. Do they live in a Batcave somewhere, and they only come out in their Batmobiles when the Commissioner sends up a signal? I feel foolish now that I understand they were just talking about mythical creatures like unicorns and Pegasus and leprechauns. I went looking for "sincere conservatives" the way the new kid gets sent on a snipe hunt.
"Look everybody, there's the signal! Put on your capes, the people want some FISCAL DISCIPLINE, and it's up to us, The Incredible True Conservatives, to deliver it. But first we'll have to defeat the evil forces of the liberal bad guys, who will hold us down and tickle us to make us borrow and spend all the money in the world if we don't find a way to stop them. But stop them we will, because we are ... The Incredible True Conservatives." - The ITC, Wednesdays at 8:00 pm, 7:00 Central, on NBC.
If "true conservatives" exist and represent a significant population, why don't they seem to be able to get their people elected?
You might say the same thing about "true liberals" as well. Power destroys most of those who enter office with good intentions. And then the need to compromise on so many things to get anything through waters down any one ideology from being recognizable over the long run of legislation.
But you are correct about conservatives in general over past 15 years. Conservatives were much more effective as the minority voice in Washington, they had no idea how to lead once the American people handed them the keys in 2000. I don't like one party controlling both houses and the Presidency, it hasn't worked well in my lifetime.
RINO,
You're talking more right wing propaganda. McCain has never thought about switching parties no compared to the wing nut wing of the Republican parry he is moderate and sensible; but he still has a 85+ Conservative rating from the guys you trust to tell you if a candidate is wing nutty enough for you. It's amazing I could never vote for McCain because he is too conservative on my issues. I think you guys have convinced yourselves that Americans are Conservative when most are "Middle of the Roaders" I feel bad for them sometimes because it seems they are forced to choose between people who are really either to far right or too far left for them. The kind of candidate you want I don't believe could win in the general election. You guys are going to have vote for McCain or stay home, but whatever you do I really wish you guys would stop whining and face the truth, and the truth is that in 2008 the greater populace is not going to vote for whatever wing nutty candidate you guys want to put forward. You're an extreme Conservatives and I'm Liberal but the middle of the roaders are going to decide who the next president of the United States will be. You're not going to get to impose Kansan Republicism on the rest of America. Bush tried to make America over in the image of f a wing nut dominated Texas and people have rejected that.RINO,
My my how rude. From someone who gets really really upset at being called a liar you threw that term out pretty quickly. I watched McCain field this question just last week. He denied that he ever considered changing parties or that he considered being Kerry's running mate. So if that's a lie than McCain told it not me. You owe me an apology. The truth of the matter is wing nut Conservatives of which you seem to be one are in the process of swift-boating poor John McCain. If someone diverts from this rigid tract you set as a litmus test for who is a true conservative you guys go in for the kill, but I guess that’s why your name is RINO HUNTER. Now you can kill away because as I said before McCain is the closest thing to your rigid right wing thinking that you’re going to get. You can stay home on election day if you like or write in Ron Paul’s name if that’s your choice. We’ve had many Republican presidents and we may have another in the future, but we have only had one wing nut president and that was GW. I don’t think America will ever allow the wingers to impose their brand of extremism on America again.I don't think they showed that he's in the middle of the conservative camp. I don't think they bought his statement.
The thing is, how is a mainstrean conservative defined, and who gets to make the diffinition. I'd think most of the people we see here carry a diffinition of mainstream conservative on them. I'd guess a couple might be mutually exclusive.
Hey, Eweston, I bet many of them would be mutually exclusive, no matter if you asked self-described liberals or conservatives.
All of these definitions are pretty funny.They've dug the hole as they've slid the scale to the right, progressively framimg the center as farther left. Aside from the normal swings of the political pendulum, the extreme right is dying off a lot faster than they're making new ones, and that must be a little rough on those in the GOP and the media who lived in that bubble where most of America was buying the Republican pitch.
I LOVED BARNICLE AND JOE THIS MORNING SAYING BARNICLE AND JOE MOTHER FEEL SORRY FOR HILLAY LAST NIGHT AND MAYBE THIS WILL HELP HER IN TEXAS. THE RIGHT-WINGERS DON'T WANT HILLARY TOO LOSE AND THEY ARE GETTING SCARED THAT OBAMA MIGHT WIN AND BEAT MCCAIN. LOOK LIKE THE KISSING UP WILL BEGIN AGAIN FOR HILLAY IN THE RIGHT-WING MEDIA BUT AS SOON AS SHE START TO WIN AGAIN THEY WILL BE ALL OVER HER AGAIN.
MIKE BARNICLE!!!!!!Aaaaarrrrrrrggggghhhhhhh!!!! Why is it that a guy who got fired from the Boston Globe for committing the cardinal sin of journalism - making up stories - is so welcome on MSNBC and no one complains? Remember the huge stink about Jayson Blair doing the same thing at the NY Times? His career was ruined. Ditto for Stephen Glass of the New Republic. Yet Mike Barnicle remains a member in good standing of the good ol' boys club at NBC/MSNBC. Maybe Glass and Blair can get work on Hardball?
Recently I have been thinking about how inappropriate the old NBC proud peacock logo would be now that their standards have sunk so low. Then it dawned on me that the peacock is a male who is preening and strutting his stuff to appear more manly, so maybe they should bring it back. They can rename themselves the Macho Swine Neanderthal Broadcasting Network. Am I overreacting?
Jesus, the headlines at MM are honestly starting to look like The Onion. Can you get any more hypersensitive? Quit whining and roll up your sleeves... when did politics become a tea party?
Why did I ever donate to you guys?