Fox News Radio's Tom Sullivan aired "side-by-side comparison" of speeches by Hitler and Obama
SUMMARY: Fox News Radio host Tom Sullivan took a call from a listener who stated that when listening to Barack Obama speak, "it harkens back to when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell." Sullivan then played a "side-by-side comparison" of a Hitler speech and an Obama speech. Sullivan mimicked the crowd during both speeches, yelling, "Yay! Yay!" When a later caller complained that Sullivan was "denigrating" Obama with the comparison, Sullivan said he wouldn't play it again, then begged: "Can I, please, one more time? Just one more time? Then I won't do it again. ... Until the next time."
On the February 11 broadcast of Fox News Radio's Tom Sullivan Show, host Tom Sullivan took a call from a listener who stated: "Listening to [Sen. Barack] Obama ... it harkens back to when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with [Nazi dictator Adolf] Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell." Sullivan replied: "Oh, yeah, yeah ... I presume you're not saying he's Hitler, but I understand your point." Following the commercial break, Sullivan stated the caller "wasn't calling Barack Obama Hitler. He was just talking about how Hitler got the crowd all excited, and Barack Obama got the crowd all excited." Sullivan then stated that he would do a "side-by-side comparison" of a Hitler speech and an Obama speech. Sullivan then introduced the "comparison" by stating: "So, ladies and gentlemen, from the past, a little archive, a little walk down Der Fuehrer's memory lane. Here he is, the one, the only, Adolf Hitler!" Sullivan proceeded to play a clip of a Hitler speech, followed by Obama's February 9 speech at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Richmond, Virginia. Sullivan mimicked the crowd during both speeches, yelling, "Yay! Yay!"
Following Sullivan's "comparison," a listener called in to say: "I resent the fact that you would compare -- I am a black man -- you would compare Barack Obama to Hitler, because we need leaders that can inspire us, to hope for the future. We need people like him." Sullivan replied: "I love his speech." The caller then asked: "Then why would you bring Hitler in on it?" Sullivan responded: "I didn't. The caller brought Hitler in on it. The caller said he sounds like Hitler." The upset caller responded: "Well, why would you even pick it up? It's denigrating his character." Sullivan replied: "No, it's not." Sullivan later stated: "Well, I understand that Hitler is hated by, and should be, by most everybody in civilized society. ... But the point being, you must remember something. Adolf Hitler was able to gather a country of people and get them excited about whatever it was that he was talking to them about. He was a very fiery, enigmatic -- I'm not sure -- I mean, he was -- I mean, he really got the people all thrilled, and I'm sitting there going,' I hadn't thought about him being associated in any way with Clint' -- and I asked the guy, I said, 'Are you saying that Obama is like Hitler?' And he said, 'No, it's the speaking style, that's all.' And the speaking style is actually kind of similar." Before Sullivan ended the segment, he stated: "All right, we won't play Hitler any more, then." But Sullivan then pleaded: "One time -- oh, come on, one more time? Can I, please, one more time? Just one more time? Then I won't do it again." He then added: "Until the next time."
According to his bio on FoxNews.com, Sullivan has "been a regular fill-in for the most listened to talk show in the world, The Rush Limbaugh Program, for a number of years" and "now anchors the 10AM-Noon (Eastern Time) show on the FOX Business Network."
Media Matters for America has previously documented numerous other examples of conservative media figures comparing progressives to Nazis. For example, on December 13, 2007, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly responded to guest Jane Hall's assertion that actor Tim Robbins, who was campaigning for John Edwards, made "valid" criticisms of the media by stating: "But [Nazi Foreign Minister Joachim] Von Ribbentrop in the Nazi hierarchy made valid points, Jane." O'Reilly has also claimed there is "no difference between" the Nazis and progressive blog Daily Kos. On January 11, nationally syndicated radio host Michael Savage declared that Media Matters is "run by a bunch of fascist homosexuals. They're the brownshirts of our time." In April 2007, Savage also called a speech by Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton "Hitler dialogue."
From the second hour of the February 11 broadcast of Fox News Radio's Tom Sullivan Show:
CALLER: Listening to Obama, and what I've seen on TV. I'm 65 years old, and it harkens back when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with Hitler, how he would excite the crowd and they'd come to their feet and scream and yell.
SULLIVAN: Oh yeah, yeah.
CALLER: And I don't think -- I can't think of any other politician that has excited them as much as he has.
SULLIVAN: He -- I presume you're not saying he's a Hitler, but I understand your point.
CALLER: Right. He's exciting the people, he's igniting them, and are they even thinking about what he's saying?
SULLIVAN: No. Because I'll tell you, if you listen to him, he sounds -- how can you argue with a guy who says he's for hope, he's for a great America, he's for a great country, we're great people. We can do anything we want, you can be anything you want.
CALLER: Yep, and he ain't telling them to get off their seats and go do it themselves.
SULLIVAN: I know -- well, we -- don't now -- don't ruin a good story with trying to get the details. No, I understand your point, [caller]. You're absolutely right. The details will have to come out. We'll be right back.
[...]
SULLIVAN: For those of you who heard the call from the guy in Texas who said that Barack Obama reminds him of Hitler, well, I take up the challenge. You decide for yourself. Here is -- oh-oh, one minute, OK, we got -- we need -- I thought you were signaling that you were ready. We're putting -- we're finding -- we have had to go to our global resources now, to find out of our German file a speech or two from Der Fuehrer and find out -- I have no idea what he was saying in this speech, but we'll see. I wonder what -- if it sounds at all like -- I mean, he wasn't calling Barack Obama Hitler. He was just talking about how Hitler got the crowd all excited, and Barack Obama got the crowd all excited. Let's take a phone call and we'll come back and we'll see if we can do a little side-by-side comparison.
[...]
SULLIVAN: But they certainly knew the Republicans were spending more than they possibly should have. Let's take a short break and come back. No, no, can we get this in now? OK. Before the break, a caller just before the bottom of the hour said that Barack Obama's speech reminds him of hearing the speeches of Adolf Hitler. So, ladies and gentlemen, from the past, a little archive, a little walk down Der Fuehrer's memory lane. Here he is, the one, the only, Adolf Hitler.
[audio clip of Hitler speech]
SULLIVAN: Yay! Yay! All right, great. I don't know what he said. Here's Barack Obama.
[audio clip of Obama speech]
SULLIVAN: Yay!
[audio clip of Hitler speech]
SULLIVAN: Yay!
[...]
SULLIVAN: Now we're getting -- now we're getting requests -- we're kind of like the Top 40 music station. We're getting requests for different speeches that were being played. Yes, just name your speech, and we will see if we can play it for you, the Top 40 speech.
[...]
SULLIVAN: Back to the phones we go. [Caller] in Columbus, Ohio. Hi, [caller]. How have you been?
CALLER: I am here. Thank you for the opportunity to be on the show.
SULLIVAN: You bet.
CALLER: I resent the fact that you would compare -- I am a black man --
SULLIVAN: Yes, sir.
CALLER: -- you would compare Barack Obama to Hitler, because we need leaders that can inspire us, to hope for the future. We need people like him.
SULLIVAN: I love the -- I love his speech. I told you I sat there and I went -- I'm going -- I'm listening to his speech --
CALLER: Why would you bring Hitler in on it?
SULLIVAN: I didn't. The caller brought Hitler in on it. The caller said he sounds like Hitler.
CALLER: Well, why would you even pick it up? It's denigrating his character.
SULLIVAN: No, it's not.
CALLER: Well, Hitler has nothing to do with what is right and honorable and what the country should be looking forward to. And I believe this, I believe that the intellect of Barack Obama is strong enough to bring in a cabinet and to surround himself with men who can -- can run -- help him run this country. No president has everything, all the knowledge needed, but his intellect to be able to bring men into his cabinet who can steer this country, is what it's all about, and I think he's got the intelligence to do it.
SULLIVAN: Who are you for?
CALLER: I -- actually, I happen to be a Republican because of my morals. But I believe that Barack Obama -- I don't like McCain, I really don't.
SULLIVAN: Yeah, you don't -- yeah.
CALLER: I don't like McCain, I really don't. But Barack Obama, I would vote for him because I believe that he has some level facts about his thinking, but I'm thinking that he would be a good president to inspire us for the future and equality for everybody.
SULLIVAN: Are you sure you're not a seminar caller? We had one a few minutes ago.
CALLER: No, I have not ever been on your show before.
SULLIVAN: We had -- no, we had a different caller, but I'm just going, are you guys all coming from the Barack Obama seminar on how to call talk shows and talk good about him?
CALLER: I am a truck driver running the road right now through Harrisburg, and I got a Sirius Radio that I was listening to. But I just said that I had to call because I resent the fact that you're picking up on that thing with Hitler.
SULLIVAN: Well, I understand that Hitler is hated by, and should be, by most everybody in civilized society.
CALLER: Yes, even you. Even you.
SULLIVAN: But the point being, you must remember something. Adolf Hitler was able to gather a country of people and get them excited about whatever it was that he was talking to them about. He was a very fiery, enigmatic -- I'm not sure -- I mean, he was -- I mean, he really got the people all thrilled, and I'm sitting there going, "I hadn't thought about him being associated in any way with Clint" -- and I asked the guy, I said, "Are you saying that Obama is like Hitler?" And he said, "No, it's the speaking style, that's all." And the speaking style is actually kind of similar.
CALLER: But part of being a good leader and a motivating leader is to be able to inspire people. That's part of being a good leader.
SULLIVAN: Yeah, Oh, yeah.
CALLER: -- denigrating because you have --
SULLIVAN: I think -- don't you think I've made a very good point of the difference between his leadership speaking style and Ms. Clinton's speaking style?
CALLER: Yeah, I think you do. If you had left Hitler out of it, you'd have had a perfect show.
SULLIVAN: All right, we won't play Hitler any more, then.
CALLER: Oh, I --
SULLIVAN: One time -- oh, come on, one more time? Can I, please, one more time? Just one more time? Then I won't do it again.
CALLER: Well, sure, but I think --
SULLIVAN: Until the next time.
CALLER: -- some in the audience that don't appreciate that --
SULLIVAN: All right, all right. I'll take your cautionary words in stride. I appreciate it, thanks, [caller]. Short break. We'll be right back.
I don't know -- this comparison really forced me to question my appraisal of Obama. The list of traits shared by Obama and Hitler is virtually limitless:
I could continue this list for pages and pages (in fact, the list of similar traits is limited only by the imagination and persistence of the lister), but by now I'm sure I've pursuaded you: Obama is likely the reincarnated spirit of Hitler. I can't believe I almost fell for his act.
I seem to remember Republicans chanting "Four More Years!" at Bush rallies during the 2004 campaign. It sounded more like Zieg Heil to me than anything.
Of course, this is a typical, and by now predictable, Rovian tactic, Use a candidate's strength against them. A military hero? Smear his record. A popular charismatic candidate? Forget substance, anybody that popular and likable must be just like Hitler.
Not that many people outside the Republican party think Hitler was likable.
Has no one here heard of Godwin's law?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law
You are completely batshit crazy.
terrorist supporters? That's accusing Obama of treason. You might want to look in your own camp before you jump on any Dem for treasonous acts.
I hope you know Cheney and Rumsfield will never be able to leave this country once this President leaves office. They will be tried for war crimes if they do.
terrorist supporters? That's accusing Obama of treason. You might want to look in your own camp before you jump on any Dem for treasonous acts.
...if the shoe fits...
Someone outed a CIA agent
Yeah...a career Democrat State Dept. employee...Richard Armitage
LMAO...
This might just be the dumbest thing you've ever said, Strange One. But thanks as usual for the laugh.
I think you are an ignorant moron who never posts anything worth reading. Go back to your bridge troll, the adults are talking
I think Che Obama has the potential to be worse than Hitler.
And I think The Stranger has the potential to post something intelligent in this forum. Just because he hasn't up until now doesn't me he doesn't have the potential to do it... :-)
Obama's audiences gather and cheer of their own free will.
Can Hitler boast the same about his gatherings?
Actually, Hitler can say the same.
Hitler began by wrapping himself in the flag, and making himself and his country out to be the victims. He spoke of undesirables and how to deal with them and ultimately get rid of them because of the harm they were doing to true citizens. He spoke of resurrecting some mythical Germany that stood above all others.
For a country dealing with a debilitating depression and the after-effects of the Great War, it was good to hear someone pound on that Nationalistic drum. People were definitely interested and actually wanted to listen.
But he also surrounded himself with yes-men and never allowed dissent. When he felt restricted by the laws of his country, he changed them to make himself more powerful, and ultimately just ignored them.
And there are definitely leaders in this country who are similar in ways to Hitler. But it's not Obama who is similar to Hitler.
Hitler and the Nazis were far from Christians. They, like much of today's American left, were Godless pagans.
I can understand the desire of christians to distance themselves from Hitler. There's no way for us to know his actual feelings on religion, but there is absolutely no doubt that he received much support from the German christian community. Here are some of the quotes from him:
I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."
The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity
My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.
In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.
We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity... in fact our movement is Christian. We are filled with a desire for Catholics and Protestants to discover one another in the deep distress of our own people.
It will take Christianity, as the basis of our collective morality, and the family as the nucleus of our Volk and state, under its firm protection....May God Almighty take our work into his grace, give true form to our will, bless our insight, and endow us with the trust of our Volk.
The Government of the Reich, who regard Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attach the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See and are endeavouring to develop them.
I could cite many, many more. To suggest that christianity played no part in the rise of the Third Reich is to be ignorant of history.
To attempt to dredge up analogies between Hitler and the modern American left is to separate one's self completely from reality. But at least we know that that's where you're comfortable.
Hitler may have been no more of a real Christian than the charlatans suckering the religious right in America today, but he used it just as effectively- some more bits regarding Hitler and Christianity.
Including:
"Christian anti-Modernism:
Key to understanding Nazism’s popularity with Christians is the Nazi condemnation of everything modern. Germany after World War I was regarded as a godless, secular, materialistic republic which betrayed all of Germany’s traditional values and religious beliefs. Christians saw the social fabric of their community unravelling and the Nazis promised to restore order by attacking godlessness, homosexuality, abortion, liberalism, prostitution, pornography, obscenity, and so forth."
Ol' Dolph was a T-Warrior just like Bill O'Reilly.
Exactly the point I was making. Here's a thought exercise. Read the quotes I provided and picture a modern American politician making statements that were very close to them. Which party would you assume he belongs to?
the Nazis promised to restore order by attacking godlessness, homosexuality, abortion, liberalism, prostitution, pornography, obscenity, and so forth."
Wow...all I can do is shake my head.
The Nazis actually tried to eradicate religion. They were pagans and atheists.
As far as homosexuality is concerned, I think you had better read up on the SA, the precursor group of the Nazis. The revelled in and boasted of their homosexuality. The SA regularly held mass homo orgies.
They may have been against liberalism...but not the so-called liberalism of today's American left. They were against "classic liberalissm', which is pretty much the same as today's American conservative movement. The Nazi's were completely against individual rights, and instead promoted state control of the economy and polity...hence the name National Socialists.
Prostitution and obscenity were rampant during the era...and were actually pushed and promoted by the Nazis.
Against abortion????? Their Final Solution is actually based on the works of the leftist hero, the mass murdering abortionist Margaret Sanger
Most of what you post is unsupportable nonsense and the rest is misrepresentation of historical reality. You're putting forth the worst kinds of historical revisionism.
The Nazis appealed to and gained the overwhelming support of German christians. They put out their goals in strongly religious terms. You can't support your strange claims their paganism or attempts to irradicate religion.
I very much understand why modern christians attempt to distance themselves from the Nazis and I'm definitely not trying to smear them with the same brush. However, you're either lying or ignorant if you want to claim that christianity wasn't involved in the Nazi rise to power.
I wonder if Fred Phelps will again be a Democratic convention delegate this year. You do know he was a delegate for Al Gore, don't you?
Gore hired Phelps as a campaign advisor to deal with the "homosexual problem" in the party. You do know that, too...right?
He was a delegate for Al Gore in 1988.
He opposed Clinton/Gore in 1992.
He supported Fred Thompson in this year's presidential race.
Your argument falls flat.
He was a delegate for Al Gore in 1988.
Yep...this is so very true. He was also paid by Gore to deal with the "gay problem".
He opposed Clinton/Gore in 1992.
Nope..he was opposed to Clinton and his pro-gay policies. He and Gore still got along famously.
He supported Fred Thompson in this year's presidential race.
But Thompson did not support Phelps, like Gore does.
Your argument falls flat.
Really?
I don't know what warped history book you've been reading, but you can not be MORE wrong. a gay group? Hitler went after gays (as well as the handicapped) just as vigorously as he did the Jews.
There are none more clueless than the American left:
http://www.leaderu.com/jhs/lively.html
Wow, thanks for the link. Sums up my point perfectly, and makes you look like an idiot
"As the badge used by the Nazis to designate homosexuals in the concentration camps, the pink triangle perfectly expresses the message of "gay rights."
That's the second sentence.
And by the way, Leadership U.? You really throw out that BS? Hey, if you believe it, good for you, but I'm sorry you are so misguided.
Oh, and I'm not the left. I'm the middle. The new Communist party is the left.
Wow, thanks for the link. Sums up my point perfectly, and makes you look like an idiot
"As the badge used by the Nazis to designate homosexuals in the concentration camps, the pink triangle perfectly expresses the message of "gay rights."
Well, perhaps then you should have read past the second sentence. (Perhaps you did, but did not quite comprehend.)
The pink triangle is explained further down the article. It was the "butch" homosexual Nazis who persecuted the effeminate:
One of the keys to understanding both the rise of Nazism and the later persecution of some homosexuals by the Nazis is found in this early history of the German "gay rights" movement. For it was the CS (Council of the Special, whose philosophy inspired the founders of the SA) which created and shaped what would become the Nazi persona, and it was the loathing which these "Butches" held for effeminate homosexuals ("Femmes") which led to the internment of some of the latter in slave labor camps in the Third Reich.
The "Butch" homosexuals of the CS transformed Germany. Their primary vehicle was the German youth movement, known as the Wandervogel (Rovers or Wandering Youth). "In Central Europe," writes homosexual historian Parker Rossman, "there was another effort to revive the Greek ideal of pedagogic pederasty in the movement of 'Wandering Youth'... Ultimately, Hitler used and transformed the movement...expanding and building upon its romanticism as a basis for the Nazi Party" (Rossman:103
Like I said, there are none more clueless tha the American left.
This is not a big secret, folks. You can look it uo. The info is out there. Facts are stubborn things.
Wow! I just couldn't leave this comment unanswered. The level of ignorance and lack of rational thought in Stranger defies comprehension. This is a classic example of the idea that people will use any evidence to reinforce their beliefs and do their absolute best to ignore any facts that may call that strongly held belief into question. Stranger's belief is Left=Bad, Nazi's=Bad, therefore Left = Nazi's. Viola. Anything that may reinforce it is clung to desperately and all the facts in the world disputing the belief will be completely ignored and denied. All efforts to convince stranger of his/her wrongness will only cause him/her to dig in deeper and deeper.
The best way to handle those that are so horribly lost is to pity them.
Wow! I just couldn't leave this comment unanswered.
All you did was rant in general.Address the specific issues. Oh, you can't?
...thought so
Table Talk? Are you kidding? A posthumous collection of 100% hearsay accounts of supposed private conversations that are frequently contradicted by actual records of his words? To say it is of dubious reliability would be generous. Basically, the purveyors of the book found an opportunity to make money by helping christians believe what they already wanted to believe.
Regardless, it's also irrelevant to my point. I couldn't care less what Hitler's personal religious opinions were. He rose to power with the support of German christians, support he continued to enlist all the way through to the end of the war.
God the Almighty has made our nation. - 1945
Lord of the Universe has treated us so well in the past years that we bow in gratitude to a providence which has allowed us to be members of such a great nation. - 1941
In vowing ourselves to one another, we are entitled to stand before the Almighty and ask Him for His grace and His blessing. - 1945
As I said, there are many more. Hitler linked his government to christianity all the way through his time in power.
As I said, there are many more. Hitler linked his government to christianity all the way through his time in power.
Not quite there, Slappy. What was happening in '44 and '45. Riiiight...the Nazis were getting an ass-whupping. Hitler was changing his tune to rally the volk.
You can ignore the facts all you want, but they're not going away.
I'm respecting history as it was. You're revising history to force it into your perverted political philosophy.
Yes, the Nazis were being beaten back in 1944-45, but that fact doesn't support your claims. Hitler was still appealing to Germans on a religious as well as nationalistic basis. I've provided Hitler's own words from public statements. You've made vague suggestions that he renounced and suppressed religion but have offered no evidence to support it. Please cite some specific policies and actions that support your case.
I don't expect any from you. Hitler knew he needed the support of the German people and couldn't maintain it with attacks on religion, therefore none took place.
You're revising history to force it into your perverted political philosophy.
Nope...I'm actually giving the real history...not the lies pushed by the leftists in academia.
Just saying it's not so will not make it not so. I have given you much evidence. Do some research on your own. What you will find will surprise you once you get pass the lies of the left.
I know I am...
On a side note, we could never have a leader comparable to Hitler, because the rule of law and our constitution limits the President's powers...oh, wait...
There's some support for Hitler as the first rock star. There was a definet effort to make his public appearences impressive, by amplification at events,radio rebroadcast and film.
Tools, which contain no morality. Their use can show any type of morality that you can think of.
Of course Sullivan is only a parrot. This particular smear was first unleashed by the editor of Slate:
Slate editor calls Obama speech style 'fascistic'
The coordinated Corporate Media smear campaign is just sharpening its long knifes right now. It will get worse, much worse. Too bad for them, it's all going to blow up in their faces this time. Attacks like this will assure that the Republican party becomes nothing but a mere shameful footnote in the history books.
Ah, yes, Slate. Well-respected contributors to NPR's Day to Day.
Day to Day is the worst thing on NPR right now.
Of course Sullivan is only a parrot. This particular smear was first unleashed by the editor of Slate:Slate editor calls Obama speech style 'fascistic'
The coordinated Corporate Media smear campaign is just sharpening its long knifes right now. It will get worse, much worse. Too bad for them, it's all going to blow up in their faces this time. Attacks like this will assure that the Republican party becomes nothing but a mere shameful footnote in the history books.
Wow..this is simply amazing. You do know that David Plotz of Slate...you know...the guy who wrote this...is actually a self-identified Democrat and Obama supporter...
....so how are Republicans responsible for this?..
...amazing...
TOMMY got tied up in traffic, so I'll try to fill in for him. Just until he arrives, of course ...
WITH? How many times will MMFA post the silly examples of comparing Democrats to Nazis? It's been done over and over again, and nobody takes it seriously or pays any attention.
This is just one guy's opinion, and you might have a different one. So what?
Besides, how many people would even know about this if MMFA didn't broadcast it? Since MMFA supports Hillary, this attack serves their purposes, I suppose.
Anyway, Olbermann will make this Sullivan guy the "WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD", needling his competitors under the guise of some lofty moral "eye on the media" baloney, and then MMFA can post it yet again
A good little wrap-up there, Tex. I would add that on the occasions when a conservative (usually Jeter) makes a fairly rational comment, Tommy will leap in to slap him on the back. He gets lots of practice patting his own.
Sometimes Tommy is focused and rational, but most of the time he derails conversations, raises the angst level, refuses to listen to reason, and is generally a lot more trouble than he is worth. And the scary thing is, he's still one of the better conservatives on board.
Tommy fills a couple roles, figuring them out is educational.
I still haven't figured out how he can go from a post which I'll think Bang On!, to one nearby that leaves me befudled. Some times it is recognisable humor, some times ya just donno.
Some times he brings to mind the label on a squadmate's locker. He'd rubber stamped it "THE ORIGINAL, FLASH". His crewmate added below it Use with caution. At times appears intelligent. ;-)
You people are hysterical, do you know how silly you look? I am so flattered by all the attention, really I am.
And for the record Clams, you consistently lie about me and I don't really care, but I have never said I post at work, or not.
Y'all keep wondering, if you must.
HAHAHAHA!!!!
It's almost like talk radio (and most new media) has been turned upside down. Their script failed and now they are throwing anything and everything they got, to see what sticks.
Time was when I would tune to any AM station to yell at it. Now, I am loving every moment of it.
If people can't see the true contrasts and similarities between Obama's message and that of the other two, then they are wilfully ignorant human beings.
Would a genius have invaded the Soviet Union? I think not.
Kinda like the turd blossom?
The sad thing is, is that this little carrot is already making headway. I've received a few e-mails from my more "astute" co-workers comparing Obama to Hitler, and then I have to patiently explain to them why they're not even close. Which I don't think that they get. Also, on a local drivetime radio show in my area, a local caller called in and made the same comparison.
The thing I find most funny and ironic about this, is that this Sullivan joker was talking about how the people cheering probably weren't even really listening and that Obama was really not saying anything with any substance at all. I find it ironic because, look at what a lot of republicans have been telling us out on the campaign trail, especially as it relates to the war in Iraq. We know for sure that they're "not for losing" and that they are definitely for "honor" but other than that, they don't really tell you what they think about it. I've listened to a lot of Obama's speeches, and there is some great rhetoric there no doubt, and a great ability to reach out to people through public speaking, but there is substance there. I suggest Sullivan, and others, actually LISTEN to what Obama is saying, instead of taking cheap shots at him by taking him down the Godwin path. Because really, how can one be the "most liberal Senator" and also be Hitler at the same time? It boggles the mind.
These conservatives sure are desperate. I mean is this the best they can do? Calling Obama supporters a cult and comparing him to Hitler? What will they think up next.
I hope Obama is thick skinned because the biased corporate conservative media is now gunning for him. He and the the rest of us who support him had better be ready for the swift-boat type ads from people claiming they went to school with him at a madrassas and he is a Muslim as opposed to a christian God-fearing man that he is.
Think they won't try it?
Guess again.
Corrupt conservatives are already trotting out their golden oldies of spin and rhetoric to "define" (meaning lie and trash) our candidate.
I listened, reluctantly, to one of our local Talk Radio Troglodytes this morning. He referred to Obama as the guy who's going to turn our country over to Al Qaeda.
Desperation + Lack of Shame = Endless Bullsh*t.
It is a rather odd statement... he was clearly too young to remember it as it happened, and "those deals with Hitler" are shown regularly on the History Channel... so the "when I was younger part" doesn't make much sense.
But, the guy's full of crap anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
Gee, I've never heard Obama referred to as Reaganesque before.
Buf:
There have been eighteen debates in which Obama has participated. Review them. He has a website. Examine it. Whenever you (or anybody else) repeats the "he has nothing to say" line you reveal either: 1) your lack of facts; or 2) your dishonesty.
"I'm 65 years old, and it harkens back when I was younger and I used to watch those deals with Hitler"
Hitler committed suicide in 1945, when Tom was 2 years old. Tom must be one special guy!!
Didn't Prescott "Grandpa Munster" Bush do business with the Nazis? Right wingers should be more careful about those Hitler comparisons.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
Well, Joe Kennedy was a big supporter of the Fuhrer while he was ambassador to the court of st. james, so don't go throwing rocks.
As i said earlier, i remember the speeches from when i was younger. not as they happened, of course, but from movies shown in civics classes, and from television programs which were prevalent around the time of the eichman trial in 1960. the guy can speak for himself, but in 1943 hitler was not doing much speechifying.
Again, why would he state it that way, unless he was implying that he remembered something that a younger person would not? Since we can all watch Hitler speeches any time we want to, what's the point of making it sound like some long lost memory, when he obviously didn't see it live? It's not important, just peculiar.
Buf:
Prescott Bush was part of an attempted fascist coup against FDR, so you shouldn't throw stones -- not that either Kennedy or P. Bush has anything to do with this post.
The first caller was clearly implying that he remembered Hitler's speeches at the time of their original broadcast; claiming otherwise is disingenuous. If you are only interested in defending ridiculous claims by those who pretend to be Conservatives (they aren't--look up Goldwater), why are you here? You are not adding to any debate, you are revealing your own ignorance. You clearly do not understand history and do not seem capable of critical thought. Ignoring facts you do not like is not a strength, it is a weakness. You often drop names and you maintain that you have close connections to everybody from Golda Meir to Guiliani. Are you attempting to shore up your absurd statements by association? If so, you are failing.
holy moley, i said i met golda once in her house, i was not close to her. i met giuliani once at a breakfast with about 75 or 80 other people, that hardly makes us intimate. you are putting words into my mouth that were never there.
my point about giuliani is that he is rude and arrogant, based on some limited exposure and that of a few friends.
I am not aware of any effort by Prescott Bush in concert with others to overthrow the government of the u.s. can you provde evidence to support that assertion.
i am aware of such an effort by prominent businessmen. They sought to enlist the aid of smedley butler to effect their plan, but when he turned them down the plot fell apart.
Buf:
Apparently you are disregarding the fact that Prescott Bush was one of the businessment who approached Smedley Butler. I suggest, if you don't like using Lexis, that you get more acquainted with Google.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/document/document_20070723.shtml
Buf:
So overthrowing FDR wouldn't have been all bad. Hmmm...apparently you are not only incapable of critical thinking, have no grasp of history, name drop in an attempt to seem more important, and ignore facts you don't want to face, but if you disagree with your own government you don't really see anything wrong with overthrowing it and replacing it with people you prefer. Are you familiar with the election process? You do not understand the Constitution, you are not able to refute points with which you disagree, and when you cannot do so you insult other posters. You have referred to Arabs as "ragheads" in other postings. You apparently cannot even recognize rational thought, let alone produce such thoughts yourself. I feel sorry for those who have to endure your raving in person. You are a waste of space.
I know youwill love this. I had lunch with a woman who is a close friend to ghwb. I asked her if she ever heard of his dad, prescott, being involved in a plot to overthrow fdr. she said it was news to her.
she's in town on her way back from hawaii, heading to san antonio, and stopped off for a few days with the republican eagles, high donors.
now to cap this, off, and i know this will send you bonkers, kirk kerkorian was at the next table with his bodyguard. don't get the idea i have a great personal relationship with him, we didn't speak. kind of like the time i saw carl ichan at the el tovar near the grand canyon, though we did speak.
we ate at the blvd restaurant in the beverly wilshire hotel.
I know youwill love this. I had lunch with a woman who is a close friend to ghwb. I asked her if she ever heard of his dad, prescott, being involved in a plot to overthrow fdr. she said it was news to her.
she's in town on her way back from hawaii, heading to san antonio, and stopped off for a few days with the republican eagles, high donors.
now to cap this, off, and i know this will send you bonkers, kirk kerkorian was at the next table with his bodyguard. don't get the idea i have a great personal relationship with him, we didn't speak. kind of like the time i saw carl ichan at the el tovar near the grand canyon, though we did speak.
we ate at the blvd restaurant in the beverly wilshire hotel.
Sullivan's the one throwing rocks, Clyde. Joe Kennedy's got nothing to do with this
Your logic blows.
(1) Obama is a charismatic speaker.
(2) 20th Century dictators were charismatic speakers; therefore,
(3) Obama is a dictator?
Is this really what you're saying? If so, you need a remedial class in logic/critical thinking.
The idiocy of some of the posters here...sheesh...
Where are all these nit-wits coming from? If you've heard one you've heard em all.
By the way, the reason clowns like this can get anywhere near a microphone is because there are zero standards with regard to talk radio. Okay, I take that back, there are two. 1) you must be able to talk and 2) you must have the IQ of a door knob.
One more, Moe:
To be a right-wing radio talk-show host, you must be able to LIE through your teeth (and have no shame about it).
Have you ever really listened to Sean Hannity? The guy has ZERO talent, ZERO personality, ZERO charm.... and a grating voice to boot. How did he become a millionaire pundit with two national shows?
well, that is totally nonsensical, honestly. these people have shows because they can muster an audience and make the stations money through advertising. if they didn't, the stations would give them the boot. clear channel did not build their huge business by trying to push a corporate agenda.
they do a lot more than that, concerts, billboard advertising. In fact, the new digital billboards they have are super and make them a ton of money. i drive by one every day, it's very cool.
just to make you happy, on my way down the hill on which i live i have to pass the house paris hilton lived in when she was having all her troubles, and yes i actually know one of the Mays who own clear channel. I know Randy, the cfo. his brother mark is the ceo, and his dad is the founder. randy lives on geneseo road in san antonio, a few houses down from my brother in law.
you are as dumb as a post. first all, the fascists are on the left, not the right. second, pray tell, where does the money come from for the corporations to support their hobby of pushing an agenda on the radio? do they produce it from thin air, neat trick.
why do they bother with advertisers then.
ah well, you are best left in a dark room without food or water for as long as it takes.
you are as dumb as a post.
If you're referring to any of your posts, that's plenty dumb, indeed.