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Matthews did not challenge guest's assertion that Clinton will use National Journal rating against Obama -- but she said she will not

February 15, 2008 3:18 pm ET

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SUMMARY: MSNBC host Chris Matthews did not challenge guest Ken Blackwell's assertion that Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton would "use the National Journal's record analysis" that ranked Sen. Barack Obama as the "most liberal senator." In fact, Clinton explicitly rejected the notion that she would use the National Journal ranking against Obama.

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On the February 14* edition of MSNBC's Hardball, guest Ken Blackwell, former secretary of state in Ohio, asserted, referring to Democratic presidential candidates Sen. Barack Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, "Well, I think what she's going to do is she's going to use the National Journal's record analysis saying that he's to the left of the socialists in Congress and say that, you know, he's -- he really doesn't represent those who -- those working families that make under 50 percent -- I mean $50,000. And she's going to play that card." He continued, "It's going to be classic class warfare."

In fact, Clinton explicitly rejected the notion that she would use the National Journal ranking against Obama. In a February 11 interview, originally broadcast on WJLA-TV and reprinted on Politico.com, WJLA-TV anchor Leon Harris asked Clinton, "Now, as you well know, according to National Journal, your opponent, Senator Obama, was ranked as having the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Is he too liberal?" Clinton replied, "You know, Leon, the Republicans will probably try to make that case, but I'm not going to." She continued, "I mean, you know, I'm not going to characterize my opponent in that way, because that's a Republican talking point. That's what they always try to do."

Host Chris Matthews did not challenge Blackwell's assertion.

As Media Matters for America has noted, among the criteria that earned Obama the title "most liberal senator in 2007" were his votes to implement the bipartisan 9-11 Commission's homeland security recommendations, provide more children with health insurance, permit federal funding for embryonic stem-cell research, and maintain a federal minimum wage. Further, as Media Matters has noted, National Journal has admitted that its 2003 study declaring Sen. John Kerry [D-MA] the "most liberal" senator was flawed in its methodology.

From the February 14 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews:

MATTHEWS: Let's go to the Rust Belt states. I want to go -- we're there with you. We're talking to a Rust Belter right now in Michael Smerconish, an unfelicitous term for states like Pennsylvania and Ohio. I guess it's because we have a lot of small cities in our states where there used to be a lot of steel, there used to be a lot of action economically, and those are on bad times.

Let me go with you. What will be the special appeal of Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama in those old ethnic industrial towns like Cleveland, Scranton, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Erie? Why is she benefiting from whatever to have a lead of almost more than double digits over Barack Obama? What do you make of that, Ken Blackwell?

SYBIL WILKES (Tom Joyner Morning Show co-host): Because I --

MATTHEWS: Ken Blackwell first. I'm sorry.

BLACKWELL: Well, I think what she's going to do is she's going to use the National Journal's record analysis saying that he's to the left of the socialists in Congress and say that, you know, he's -- he really doesn't represent those who -- those working families that make under 50 percent -- I mean $50,000. And she's going to play that card. It's going to be classic class warfare. And I think that what -- in Ohio, what they're not anticipating on the Barack Obama side is the growing Latino vote in Ohio. And she's going to work that and try to at least get an 80/20 split.

MATTHEWS: Well, here she is, Senator Clinton today in Ohio.

From Politico.com's transcript of the February 11 interview on WJLA-TV:

HARRIS: Let me ask you a question about the l-word: liberal. Now, as you well know, according to National Journal, your opponent, Senator Obama, was ranked as having the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Is he too liberal?

CLINTON: You know, Leon, the Republicans will probably try to make that case, but I'm not going to. I mean, you know, I'm not going to characterize my opponent in that way, because that's a Republican talking point. That's what they always try to do.

You know, I believe that you have to defend the positions you take. I'm very comfortable defending my positions; he will have to defend his positions.

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    • Author by dexteritas0071418 (February 15, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
         

      Let's pull this one MMfA and repost once Hillary concedes, because it'll be true then.

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (February 15, 2008 7:59 pm ET)
           

        Why in the world would Hillary even begin to call another Democrat "too liberal?" What would she gain from that? How could it possibly help her with Democrats-- many of whom are liberals? This is not a general election.

        Jeez, the idiocy of the Hillary-haters. It's boggling.

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    • Author by jeter2 (February 15, 2008 3:26 pm ET)
         

      Huh?

      Blackwell made the claim & Matthews played the video with her saying she wasn't going to use the National Journal's record.

      I think that was good enough. It proved Blackwell wrong. What's the gripe here MMFA?

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      • Author by tommy (February 15, 2008 3:39 pm ET)
           

        Yeah, MMFA cropped the video right after Matthews says "Here she is, Senator Clinton today in Ohio".

        What does she say?, I didn't see this show. If she states she will not use the National Journal rating, then I agree Jeter, what gives here? 

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        • Author by jeter2 (February 15, 2008 3:57 pm ET)
             

          Well Tommy MMFA says this is from today's [Feb. 15th] Hardball which I haven't seen [it comes on here at 7pm] but when Matthews said "Well, here she is, Senator Clinton today in Ohio." they failed to give the contents of the video. However they printed a transcript with her saying she would not use it. I figured the transcript was also part of the video. And if it wasn't then why didn't MMFA print the transcript from the video?

          I'll be watching tonight. Hopefully that will clear this up.

          Or, maybe someone from MMFA could explain it now??

          Hey guys, anyone there???

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          • Author by tommy (February 15, 2008 4:01 pm ET)
               
            J, I think the first mention of Feb 15th is a typo, as later it does say Feb 14th....but the rest of your questions remain unanswered?
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            • Author by tommy (February 15, 2008 4:02 pm ET)
                 
              But then again we could just be "swiping" at MMFA again?
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              • Author by jeter2 (February 15, 2008 4:06 pm ET)
                   

                Well if it was last night I missed it, I took my Valentine out for dinner :-)

                But yeah it's a head scratcher. If the transcript here isn't what Matthews showed, then where's the transcript for that?

                Perhaps we should just stamp this WITH, until we get an explanation ;-)

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    • Author by Dem02020 (February 15, 2008 3:30 pm ET)
         

       

      The madness of it all.

      We've descended to thinking that the labels of "most this" or "least that", created and affixed by the writers and editors of a publication that I don't even read (and neither do you I bet), and the second-hand tossing about of these labels, by the above-cited televised hacks...

      This somehow substitutes for an actual discussion, of whatever National Policy opinions it might be, that supposedly are at the root of these labels?

      We'd rather talk about the labels, than ever even mention the ingredients, the actual National Policy opinions of the man?

      To not mention a single National Policy opinion, but instead hurl back and forth "most this" and "least that" labels?

       

      The madness... the madness of it all.

       

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    • Author by thomp.steve9098 (February 15, 2008 4:58 pm ET)
         
      Well jeee whiz, when HC vows not to attack her political opponent in a certain way, how dare somebody not believe her. Afterall, the Clintons are well known to run campaigns that are clean as a whistle. Just like she agreed that florida delegates should not get seats, right? oh yeah . . .
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (February 15, 2008 5:23 pm ET)
           
        thomp.steve9098 , I can't believe you're the first to point this out. Blackwell is only saying that he "thinks" Clinton will use this.Either the first string Clinton Derangement Sufferers are taking an early weekend, or they're writhing on the floor in excited spasms until they can post that Clintons always lie about everything.
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        • Author by thomp.steve9098 (February 16, 2008 11:34 am ET)
             

          Thanks Col.  I'll take that as a compliment to my quick wit on this one, although you put it rather oddly. (kidding).

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      • Author by carlileb5935 (February 15, 2008 8:02 pm ET)
           
        Again, why in the world would Hillary think that a "too liberal" ranking for Obama would help her? This is a DEMOCRATIC primary, guys-- it would not be a liability for him.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (February 16, 2008 1:11 pm ET)
         
      The vapours, thats it. Inhaling too many of them. Bad for your liver, you begin to beleve the hulabalutions 
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