Promoting segment on Obama, Hardball displayed a photo of bin Laden
SUMMARY: Hardball displayed a photo of Osama bin Laden behind Chris Matthews as he promoted a segment on Sen. Barack Obama, saying: "[W]hat did Barack Obama say and why is it causing controversy? Well, we'll take a look at that fight that erupted today over something Barack said on the campaign trail." Matthews later stated, "You may have noticed a graphic over my shoulder -- a picture we showed over my shoulder -- that was a mistake earlier in the broadcast. We apologize for the error." Matthews provided no further explanation of the error or why it occurred.
The February 18 edition of MSNBC's Hardball displayed a photo of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden behind host Chris Matthews as he promoted an upcoming segment on Sen. Barack Obama, saying: "[W]hat did Barack Obama say and why is it causing controversy? Well, we'll take a look at that fight that erupted today over something Barack said on the campaign trail." Later in the program, Matthews stated, "You may have noticed a graphic over my shoulder -- a picture we showed over my shoulder -- that was a mistake earlier in the broadcast. We apologize for the error." Matthews provided no further explanation of the error or why it occurred.
Hardball's display of bin Laden's picture and Matthews' subsequent apology have been noted by the website Huffington Post, among others.
Media outlets have made similar errors before. On the January 1, 2007, edition of CNN's The Situation Room, host Wolf Blitzer promoted a segment on bin Laden by showing a photo of bin Laden with top lieutenant Ayman al-Zawahiri along with a caption that asked, "Where's Obama?"
On the January 2, 2007, edition of CNN's American Morning, Blitzer apologized for the incident: "Unfortunately, there was a graphic, instead of saying, 'Where's Osama?' it said, 'Where's Obama?' We want to apologize for that bad typo. We want to also apologize personally to Senator Barack Obama. I'm going to be making a call to him later this morning to offer my personal apology." A January 2, 2007, Associated Press article reported that the "apology was accepted."
On January 3, 2007, blogger and media critic Greg Sargent noted in a post on the blog TPM Election Central that the Yahoo! News photo page had displayed an image of Obama with a caption that read: "Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida." On February 15, 2007, the New York Post published a correction that stated, "Due to an editing mistake, a small number of copies of yesterday's Post carried a headline referring to 'Osama' over a story about Sen. Barack Obama on Page 2. The Post regrets the error."
From the 7 p.m. hour of the January 1, 2007, edition of CNN's The Situation Room:
BLITZER: Still ahead, as the world focuses in on Saddam Hussein, what about another man feared and hated around the world -- that would be Osama bin Laden? Are American forces any closer to finding him in this new year?
From the January 2, 2007, edition of CNN's American Morning:
BLITZER: One additional note, I just want to make a correction, an apology, Soledad [O'Brien, co-host at the time], for what we did yesterday. In The Situation Room, we had a bad typographical error in one of our graphics. We were doing a piece on the hunt for Osama bin Laden in this new year, 2007.
Unfortunately, there was a graphic, instead of saying, "Where's Osama?" it said, "Where's Obama?" We want to apologize for that bad typo. We want to also apologize personally to Senator Barack Obama. I'm going to be making a call to him later this morning to offer my personal apology -- Soledad.
From the February 18 edition of MSNBC's Hardball:
MATTHEWS: Also, what did Barack Obama say and why is it causing controversy? Well, we'll take a look at that fight that erupted today over something Barack said on the campaign trail.
[...]
MATTHEWS: You may have noticed a graphic over my shoulder -- a picture we showed over my shoulder -- that was a mistake earlier in the broadcast. We apologize for the error.
Where's the beef?
It got recalled. Along with the defective brains being used by prople on the right, AA. :-)
What is this, 1982? ;)
Proof that conservatives are at least 26 years behind the times..... :-)
Aaaaaayy! Sit on it!!
Up yer nose wid a rubba hose......
:-)
Watch it, Bucko.
Oh, kiss mah grits!!!!
:-)
That line of thinking takes the mistaken presumption that Capus wasn't a party to Matthews and/or GOP-GE-NBC/MSNBC's actions.
BOTH Matthews and Capus ought to RESIGN for their despicable actions, since BOTH of them were active participants in this idea, and/or were the driving forces behind it.
Where's the beef?
Any other dated comments you want to start the boards with?
That line's even staler than the poisoned meat, and McCain and the lying corporatist fascist Republicans are anti-food safety.
Sure whats's a little B&S between good friends. Mistakes happen. If somehow a voter sees Obama and thinks Osama. Well I'm sure sincere apolopgies will make it all better. )8/
I know that every time I see a pile of dog poop out in my back yard, I think of George W. Bush....
:-)
Sure whats's a little B&S between good friends. Mistakes happen. If somehow a voter sees Obama and thinks Osama. Well I'm sure sincere apolopgies will make it all better. )
8/ I know that every time I see a pile of dog poop out in my back yard, I think of George W. Bush.... :-) - wzwriter
You can also think of the 30% Bush lovers (Matthews included) and/or what's inside the heads of the Bush lovers when you see the dog poop, too.
MATTHEWS: You may have noticed a graphic over my shoulder -- a picture we showed over my shoulder -- that was a mistake earlier in the broadcast. We apologize for the error.
Sure they do. They got their intended message out to those who wanted to see it...
Outside of Keith Olbermann, MSNBC is desperately trying to tie Obama with Osama.
Why?
I think it's obvious, not only is most of MSNBC misogynistic, they are also racist and religious bigots.
Wow, all that from this? So, MSNBC hates women, minorities and religion? Can't do much worse than that.
Sure they could. They could sink to the bottom-of-the-barrel depths of NewsMax, CNS, CBN (the Christian Broadcasting Network, not the Canadian one with the same initials), Drudge, the Washington Times, and World Nut Daily.
Sorry Tommy, you know I never start an argument with you but in this case, this is just plain whacked b---s---t. That was not an error on MSNBC's part. No way; at least I'll never be convinced it was done in error. Sorry. Never happen by mistake. That was calculated. The attack machine is in full operational mode. Respectfully----yours truly.
Indeed.
If it was a mistake, it might have been a picture of a goat drinking milk, McCain, a rose petal, the golden gate bridge, Nancy Grace, or whatever else is in their entire image database.
The coincidence is astounding.
Wow, all that from this? So, MSNBC hates women, minorities and religion? Can't do much worse than that.
- tommy
Yet the dis-likes of the right wing conservative racist Republican GOP-GE-NBC/MSNBC doesn't let that detail stop them from trying to be worse than that.
BOTH GOP-GE-NBC/MSNBC and Chris Matthews did this deliberately! Matthews is motivated both his Republican politics AND his personal right wing racism, and GOP-GE-NBC/MSNBC was motivated by corporatist conservatism, racism, keeping Republicans in the White House, and white supremacy.
Archae,
Could it not be that it's the other way around. Maybe they are trying to link Osama with Obama rather than Obama with Osama?
With Hillary I wonder which witch is which? They keep showing Bill when it is Hill who is running. ...Or is it?
Maybe they are trying to link Osama with Obama rather than Obama with Osama?
Like your feeble attempts to link one cognitive thought with your next one, AA? The amount of time that lapses between them makes the task that much more difficult....
network of hate
How about Nattering Network of Negativity? The alliteration always makes it more catchy.
Oh and someone said my reference was so 80's... Heheheh... Thanks for the trip on the wayback machine to the 60's, Mr. Peabody! :-)
Sock it to me SockittomeSockittome!
Sock it to me SockittomeSockittome!
I'm sure everyone on your side of the political fence will be adequately socked come this November.... :-)
again any links on this Olbermann hate screed?
p.s. it's getting old
Exactly, there is a perfectly plausible alternative, so declaring it to be intentional is an assumption.
Matthews seems to be heavily invested in personalities as opposed to being some right-wing ideologue. He's like a kid who has his favorite comic book heroes and wonders out loud who could beat up who all the time. Biased on a superficial level, but probably not an ideological one.
Outside of Keith Olbermann, MSNBC is desperately trying to tie Obama with Osama.
Say what? I watch MSNBC & I haven't got a clue how you came up with that charge.
As far as this *mistake*, it happens. If this was FOX I might think differently.
But this is Hardball w/Chris Matthews, lover of Obama. Did ya hear he got a thrill up his leg listening to Obama speak?
No, the right.
But this is Hardball w/Chris Matthews, lover of Obama. Did ya hear he got a thrill up his leg listening to Obama speak?
Jeter, Chris Matthews is a right wing Republican, has been for the past 15-16 years. His Obama-loving schtick is as bogus as a two-cent coin.
Fast forward to Matthews' past Republican man-crushes on Bush, Romney, Giuliani, Thompson, and that Matthews has a hideous Republican love for both Ann Coulter and Laura Ingraham. There's also the fact that Matthews accepts speaking fees from corporatist conservative Republican lobbying groups.
Matthews' accepting speaking fees from corporatist conservative Republican lobbies is just ONE example of proof that Matthews is a right wing conservative Republican. Matthews is also a racist white supremacist.
Outside of Keith Olbermann, MSNBC is desperately trying to tie Obama with Osama.
Why?
I think it's obvious, not only is most of MSNBC misogynistic, they are also racist and religious bigots. - archae
I second that. The dis-likes of right wing Republicans Tucker Carlson, Chris Matthews, and the right wing Republican hate hag Monica Creepy Crawley are not only 3 of GOP-GE-NBC/MSNBC's most insidious racists that we know of so far, all 3 are also white supremacists.
Well, if the Huffington Post noted this "Hardball" gaffe, then there must be some subliminal conspiracy afoot, no doubt.
Geesh, it was an error, noted and apologized for, what more do you want?
Geesh, it was an error, noted and apologized for, what more do you want?
Tommy, if you honestly think that this was an unintentional error on the part of MSNBC, I know of a bridge in Brooklyn and some lovely swamp land down in Florida that you might be interested in purchasing.....
:-)
I tend to agree with Tommy on this. I think we've become so jaded with the tricks of Fox News that we've become suspicious of every honest mistake that occurs. I think this was simply a mistake, it was recognized and an apology was made. Maybe I'm naive, but I'm not reading anything more into it.
Tommy, I will have to say, if it was done unintentionally, someone screwed up major. To put that picture up would take an incredible lack of skill on the part of the MSNBC news crew.
I agree. As a minimum, you'd have the person creating the graphic, the people in the control room, and the director who told them to go ahead and display that graphic.
They may have apologized and claimed it was a mistake, but the damage was done. I expect stuff like this from Faux News, but MSNBC should do much better than that.
They may have apologized and claimed it was a mistake, but the damage was done.
What damage? Wiz, the folks that tune into Hardball or any purely political programming are people that actually have an interest in the subject & would not be brainwashed or swayed by some subliminal attempt to equate Obama with Osama.
Furthermore many involved with MSNBC appear to be Obama cheerleaders. I doubt they would purposely inflict harm on him or his campaign.
This was a mistake. An apology was given.
This was a mistake. An apology was given.
I'm sure it was a half-hearted apology, Jeter. And I'm not buying it.
I don't know if it was intentional or unintentional, but they noted the mistake and apologized for it, that I do know.
I know it was intentional, AND I know that both MSNBC's and Matthews' apologies are 100% insincere. Matthews likely had his fingers crossed underneath the table when he gave his insincere apology. Next time make Matthews apologize while he's strapped to a lie detector.
what more do you want? - tommy
A real effort to break away from the embarrassingly low standards that our media holds itself to, and that you're apparently happy with. That's all.
Col, What you are apparently happy with is assuming what I am happy or unhappy with, stick to your own happiness, cool?
If you aren't happy with this apology, then contact MSNBC and tell them what will make you happy.
I don't think I made any assumption, Tommy. You made it clear that you're perfectly willing to accept this "mistake", made repeatedly, and to question others who are not so easily satisfied.
But thanks for your always useful advice on what I should do and who I should contact.
Look Col, If you can possibly refrain from assuming what I am "apparently" happy with, then I will refrain from suggesting who you can contact on any given topic to voice your dissatisfaction?
Deal?
"If you aren't happy with this apology, then contact MSNBC and tell them what will make you happy."
Good thing MMFA is there to provide you with the evidence and the contact information you need.
"A real effort to break away from the embarrassingly low standards that our media holds itself to, and that you're apparently happy with. That's all."
I agree with the 'effort' and 'low standards' part, but I don't believe Tommy is any more happy with the state of the media today than those who do support MMFA's existence.
If the picture shown had been of Brad Pitt, Mike Tyson or Winston Churchill, that could be excused. The picture was too specific and since the "error" was the same one they've been making for some time now, I'm not buying it.
Whether it's an error, intentional or subliminal, whatever happened to professionalism?
King,
MSNBC loves Obama. If this was FOX I'd be suspicious, but I think this was just an innocent screw-up.
It's probable that someone room control that in dyslexic is.
After all, Yoda was dyslexic (and a little green behind the ears,) and yet, look how good he turned out?
Foolish, you are. Dyslexic, Yoda is not.
Practice a different linguistic syntax, Yoda does.
Have a neurological disorder, Yoda does not.
I agree. Can anyone think of any similar gross error--especially a repeated gross error--that's been done when these networks are talking about GW? Like, say, talking about the president and having an image in the background of a chimpanzee with a whiskey bottle?
And speaking of the primate-in-chief, I can't help but think that if he'd done his job and got bin Laden instead of letting him get away, this whole point would be moot. The fact that bin Laden in still at large should be a much bigger headache to GW (and the 30% crowd) than the fact that his first name is similar to Obama's last name.
Worrier,
Also, I certainly am not sure how graphics are put up on newscasts? Maybe somebody in the biz can help us out, but what if it's a matter or typing the name into a database and the wrong name was clicked on or something, I mean they are very similar in spelling. Sloppy, yes. Intentional, who knows?
Tommy,
That would explain it, but it wouldn't nearly be so much fun. :-)
In print media, there are several, redundant layers of proofing done. I would assume that there is some kind of quality control in the TV media.
I'm not saying that Matthews was responsible, but it's quite possible that someone else was.
Well, "Hardball" is a live program, so there is a much greater tendency for errors such as this to occur, as opposed to newspapers, probably.
I think the fact that they noted it and apologized for it means something. That is about all they can do since they can't undo it.
Tommy,
I was watching Hardball last night [as I do most evenings] & I probably saw this graphic & it didn't even register. Ha! Maybe I'm in a daze watching Chrissie?
In fact when he apologized I was like, whoa when did that happen?
Bottom line, only the extremely paranoid would think that the Obama loving MSNBC would do this intentionally.
Bottom line, only the extremely paranoid would think that the Obama loving MSNBC would do this intentionally.
Actually, only the extremely paranoid would call MSNBC "Obama loving"...
:-)
I guess this depends on how much you believe in coincidence.
The Osama graphic had text that seemed to reference the Obama story of the night... a fair question would be wether Osama was a story later that night and if not would it not be fair to say a simple apologize needed to include some condemnation of the whole Obama/Osama linking foolishness?
Me, I don't believe much in coincidence
I'd have to concur, Worrier. I work in newspapers, and our stuff goes through several layers of editing. I imagine it's the same in TV. This wouldn't have gotten on the air without at least three high-level producer-editor types looking at it.
I'd be willing to give AMESSNBC a pass if this hadn't happened on several other occasions, especially at a time when there's a right-wing email smear going on to try and convince people that Obama is really a Muslim sent to destroy the country.
Somebody's head needed to roll over this. Hopefully it did.
Ahhh, my specialty. While my background is predominantly print media, I have dabbled in broadcast and can tell you that a photo is always looked at before it's put on the air. I don't know the inner-workings of MSNBC, but it's pretty standard that you have a server full of stock photos, and the photo had to be pulled by someone. If they just didn't look at it, that's a poor excuse. It takes two seconds to make sure it's the picture you want.
I have a theory that in their folders they have accidentally labeled all Obama photos as "Osama." Really, it's the only conceivable way this can be screwed up, or else their production team is just really crappy.
Hey MSNBC, give me a job, and I'll make sure this doesn't happen again, if that's what you want ;)
I have to agree with you on this one. It probably happened the way you described it. I also don't think he is a conservative; I think he is some kind of leech that attaches himself to any political scandal or mudslinging in an attempt to drain it for all the money and ratings it's worth.
Graphics are typed in and superimposed individually, from my experience. Our local news broadcast has typos in the graphics fairly often, so I'm quite sure they're made on the fly.
In this case the problem is the stock footage. What probably happened here is the producer called for the footage and either said the wrong name, or the tape tech heard the wrong name.
This is really not unusual. I can't count how many times I've seen broadcasts run the wrong footage. Anyone who's seen a fair amount of news should expect to see this sort of thing occasionally, on any network.
Jeter makes a good point, it's hard to believe that a pro-Obama network like MSNBC has really been faking it this whole time and has chosen to reveal their true feelings this way. This is common enough and such a friendly network to Obama that I don't think anyone can declare it to be intentional.
To Jeter, Brabantio and Solon:
"Jeter makes a good point, it's hard to believe that a pro-Obama network like MSNBC has really been faking it this whole time and has chosen to reveal their true feelings this way. This is common enough and such a friendly network to Obama that I don't think anyone can declare it to be intentional."
While Solon may concur with this (Brabantio's) opinion, I don't for a moment believe that MSNBC, the network of Matthews, Scarborough, Brzinski and Carlson, is a pro-Obama network. Were it not for Olbermann, the credibility of this network would be almost equal to that of FOX and CNN. I contend that the only reason MSNBC gave Keith the 5:00 PM slot is to run him against O'Reilly because their own right wingers weren't winging it against the master of vertigo in his "no spin" zone! And, much to Capus' surprise, Keith chewed away at the master spinner's ratings!
I don't mean to say that everyone on the network is voting for him. The general trend seems to be favorable to him as opposed to Hillary, certainly. It's admittedly subjective, but an intentional swipe at Obama doesn't seem to match the pattern of behavior, especially when involving Matthews.
I've seen enough broadcasts and enough firsthand tech work to know how easy it is for people to make mistakes. And it's embarrassing. If your goal is really to take a jab at someone, I'm sure Matthews has no shortage of methods for doing so that doesn't make the staff look like a bunch of idiots.
If this was intentional, the next question is what level it occurred on. While MSNBC has a lot of conservative pundits and hosts, do we really see the same degree of propaganda as we get from FOX? There it's obvious that the producers are biased, and we get graphics like "will Dem election cause stock market plunge?" or some similar nonsense. Do we get the same sort of thing on MSNBC, where it couldn't possibly be an honest mistake?
I think that's a distinction between the two. The management may passively accept right-wing talking points from the talent, but I don't think they actively push them. If there was some jackass producer or tech who did this on their own, I would hope and expect they would get fired.
Like Solon said, we really don't know, so at this point I would accept the apology and let it go. I won't say "why is this here" because if a pattern of this sort of thing starts to form, that is important to note. I do take issue with the part about Matthews not explaining the incident. That implies that it absolutely had to be intentional, otherwise saying "it was an error" is completely sufficient, and you wouldn't expect anything more.
is there much of a difference between the two? both seek to destroy our nation, so what if they got the pic mixed up
The only threat to our nation is non-thinking, ignorant people like you.
wz,
Snappy comeback but a little on the non-thinking side I suspect.
ah, so we can dismantle the cia and get rid of fisa, something i've been urging.
Uh, your tin-foil hat is slipping off your little pointed head...... :-)
he's doing alright in Africa. http://video1.washingtontimes.com/fishwrap/2008/02/bob_geldof_in_rwanda.html
i'm not familiar with teen beat magazine.
Nope, he's just a massively well-known US Senator who was speaking publicly at the time. I forgot that progressives can't make mistakes and if they do, they weren't ill-intentioned, ever.
This is an absolutely terrible post by MMfA. Posting an article about media making mistakes and fessing up to them and apologizing, sometimes multiple times. The reason those mistakes are happening is because people are typing too fast or computers are misunderstanding commands to post particular pictures. MMfA should be praising the outlets for fessing up. You
ted kennedy once referred to obama as osama. it's a common enough mistake.
But Ted Kennedy didn't have a graphic displayed behind him. This was no slip of the tongue - it was intentional.
Excellent. I agree. Where IS Osama?
Nearly seven years after 9/11 and "gonna schmoke 'im outta his caaave" and outsourcing Tora Bora and disbanding the bin Laden unit and all the other hollow pronouncements, bin Laden is no closer to being caught than he was on 9/12.
How we can have spent more than a trillion dollars, sacrificed four thousand and maimed tens of thousands of Soldiers, literally destroyed a sovereign mation and still have no idea where the guy who started all this is, saddens and angers me. It doesn't confuse me; I look at who's in charge.
So I welcome every instance where these idiots "confuse" Obama with bin Laden. All it does is emphasize what a failure this policy has been and will be with whomever purports to continue it.
unhip,
We know where he is... Osama is hiding in a cave somewhere in a mountainous region controlled by supporters that is roughly about the size of the State of California.
While mistakes were made during Tora Bora, I think it is misplaced to say Bush let him get away - as if the military did not try to capture or kill Osama at the time. If you are going to say that, then one can use the same argument against Bill Clinton when bin Laden was in the Sudan. Is any of your anger also directed at his administration?
LOL...Nice attempt at diversion, AA...
Are you guys capable of making a point that doesn't reference Bill Clinton?
Come on ... it's not that hard .. :)
"If you are going to say that, then one can use the same argument against Bill Clinton when bin Laden was in the Sudan. Is any of your anger also directed at his administration?"
AA - I don't know if you know this or not, but Bin Laden perpetrated the 9/11 attacks during Bush's administration. Bush promised to bring him to justice. He failed.
If Clinton had the entire military at his disposal to search for the guy, not to mention unlimited defense funding and the public support, he probably would have found and killed Bin Laden.
Exactly...
But let's not forget that at the time Clinton was trying to get Bin laden, he was also embroiled and slightly distracted by the purely partisan hackery known as the Clinton impeachment, and was trying to defend himself for lying about a BJ in the Oval. Also, when Clinton lobbed some missiles into Afghanistan, the republicans were aghast, and cried and yelled that Clinton was trying to distract from the Lewinsky scandal. Wagging the dog they charged, Clinton wasn't really trying to get or blow anything up over there. He was just trying to distract. Seems as though, the republicans weren't too concerned about Bin Laden then, and well, they don't seem too worried about him now, but someone getting some oral in the White House, that's something to get worked up about.
Bear in mind also that trying to defend yourself against impeachment does tend to take a lot of time out of a President's schedule, so indeed, during that time the all high and mighty republicans were endangering the security of our country, because they didn't like Bill Clinton.
I think AnotherAmerican just went back to the warm and comforting, womb-like happy place called Hannity's America.He/she'll be alright after a good cry.
Col, in Liar Sean Hannity's America, and Sean Hannity is a chickenhawk con liar, a real American is supposed to be a chickenhawk that cheers for OTHER people to fight in wars except for the chickenhawk con liars and/or the family members and friends of the chickenhawk con liars.
He/she'll be alright after a good cry.
Or after he/she gets the frontal lobotomy they so richly deserve. Then he/she would only have to worry about wich side of their mouth to drool out of each day.
Wait a minute - AA has to make that drool decision already.....
Another American, Osama Bin Laden is rumored to be George W. Bush's best friend. THE BUSH CABAL and the Bin Ladens have been both friends and international criminal business partners for 36 years. There's a lot of international criminal business dealings between the Bin Ladens and THE BUSH CABAL.
Osama has a ton of incriminating goods on both W. Bush and the neo-cons, and Bush doesn't want Osama found becuase Osama will burn him and his neo-con puppetmasters!
We know where he is... Osama is hiding in a cave somewhere in a mountainous region controlled by supporters that is roughly about the size of the State of California.
I would not be surprised to find out that Osama bin Laden has been hiding out all this time in that "undisclosed location" with Dick Cheney. Or down at the Crawford ranch (nee pig farm) owned by george W. Bush.
I find it particularly interesting that there was NO explanation given. None? No simple "sorry - it was a "typo" etc.? No attempt to explain a pretty outrageous mistake during a presidential election year? This from the man who spends countless hours - days - weeks - months - publicly dissecting - examining and judging other people's mistakes under a microscope?
But I guess they really don't want to hear back from anyone about anything. Matthews blogger posts all ASK for readers "comments" - then state that there aren't ANY! It says 0 received!
NO comments received - I think not. Well I know it's not true - because I've sent a few - and they still say 0 comments received. If they don't want to acknowledge that they get any - why ask people to post their comments. They just don't want to publish any questions or comments. One of the only entries that they posted the responses to was his mea culpa about Hillary only being elected because her husband "messed around." And most all the ones listed at the top are complimentary with a few at the bottom that weren't. Oh well.
oh, it's the republicans' fault that clinton didn't get bin laden and that he couldn't keep his pants zipped. thanks for clearing that up.
but hey, i thought bill clinton was so brilliant with his ability to compartmentalize, that nothing would distract him from the task at hand.
indeed, it is something to get worked up about. the man had no respect for the office to which he was elected. he made us a laughing stock and held us up to ridicule in the eyes of the world. thank g-d for GWB for bringing back a sense of propriety to the white house.
thank g-d for GWB for bringing back a sense of propriety to the white house
I gotta ask...were you able to keep a straight face when you typed that?
funny stuff
Liar HistoryBlob: "...thank g-d for GWB for bringing back a sense of propriety to the white house"
I gotta ask...were you able to keep a straight face when you typed that? funny stuff
Does HistoryBlob think that GWB's and THE BUSH CABAL's being in collusion with the Bin Ladens and GWB's collusion with Osama is a "sense of propriety"?
So Hstybuf, I'm assuming you are absolutely livid about Larry Craig and Mark Foley too. And with your hard line against gay people, those should make your head spin, a la The Exorcist.
BTW, President Clinton is still respected throughout the world. I doubt Bush can say the same.
i don't think what either of them did is so bad. Let's say Larry Craig is soliciting a guy. Well, it's like going to a bar and asking a girl if she wants a one-night stand. should that be illegal.
as for Foley, his communications were with a guy over 18. so what.
barney frank's lover was running a prostitution ring out of frank's basement. how does he get off scott free? because he's a dem.
George Bush..the man who found the WMD's in Iraq. The man who demobilized the Iraqi army, turning those soldiers into insurgents. The man who sent our army into a country, armed with gas masks, which "HAD???" WMD's. The man who did not listen to Gen. Shinseki regarding more troops. The man who ignored the Army War College which predicted the worst security and infrastructure problems in the early stages of the war.The man who ignored intelligence which did not fit into his plans for war. The man who said that the Iraqis would greet us with flowers(the 4000 dead didn't die at the hands of florists). I could go on and on quoting this list of Bushs' buffonery but I think that you, Hissy, get the point.
You want to match Clintons' faults vs. Little Georgies', start writing. I'll even start you off with a Bush winner... MISSION ACCOMPLISED.
Hissy, when you get together with your Cons for dinner, get your list together. While you are at it, call up Ahmed Chalabi...he'll give you some insider tips.
oh, my. the question is not where to start, but where to end. just a few thoughts: pardoning Puerto Rican terrorists to help his wife get elected, pardoning mark rich so he could sleep with his wife, appointing larry lawrence ambassador to switzerland so he could sleep with his wife, sending troops to somalia without the armor they needed and then running away when a few got killed, doing nothing about terrorism while the wtc, two embassies, the uss cole, and the towers in the saudi were attacked.
burning down a black church with the parishoners inside. selling secret missle technology to the chinese. inflicting the oslo accords on israel and failing to require compliance by the palestinians and so was responsible for the oslo war. inviting arafat 13 times to the white house and so encouraged the tyrant in his murderous ways.
that's enough for now.
Where to start? To answer your allegations:
Debunked. Debunked. Debunked. Debunked. Debunked.
Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies. Lies.
Care to try again?
are you saying he didn't pardon the terrorists? are you saying secret technology was not transferred to the chinese so schwartz at loral could profit? just writing debunked doesn't mean a thing.
i didn't even mention how he refused to do anything about rwanda. oh, he later apologized for not lifting a finger. but i guess the rumor about 800,000 dead has been debunked.
You forgot about all the puppies he tortured. Oh yeah, and what about drinking the blood of Republican babies, you forgot that too!
Question for you though - Clinton: terrible president, or the worst president?
Another poster has noted your previous lies debunked, Hsty, so let's address this:
How about YOUR chickenhawk sociopathic Liar Bush allegedly being good friends with Osama Bin Laden, since Osama allegedly bailed Bush out of one of his many failed business deals, AND let's note that THE BUSH CRIME FAMILY/THE BUSH CABAL have been good friends and international criminal business partners with the Bin Ladens for 36 years, and these 2 acts of likely Bush collusion with the Bin Ladens, noted by people from Wayne Madsen to Mike Malloy, that Bush consorts with terrorists and/or that Bush is in COLLUSION with terrorists?
FYI: Mike Malloy is 775,775 times more credible than you and the rest of the lying con lemmings.
he made us a laughing stock and held us up to ridicule in the eyes of the world
You obviously don't get out much, do you. Clinton is a world wide ROCK STAR. Bush can't even announce he's going overseas before the protests begin.
Yes he is. Because he needed to at least have a few countries on his side, he increased AIDS funding to these poor people.
This was after years and years of requiring that AIDS funding be tied to NO SEX EDUCATION i.e. CONDOMS.
So in essence, he's buying what little legacy he may have. How about a non-third world example.
I was referring to the general popluation, not their leaders. But to answer you, Sarkozy like Buxh because they both love to go on extended vacations. And wasn't Merkel the woman Bush groped?
Israel may be the only one. And to get on their good side our economy has gone bankrupt, our military is broken, and thousands of our soldiers are dead and maimed.
Not really worth it, in my opinion.
"israel absolutely adores him. he could be elected prime minister of israel if he wanted the job."
You honestly think a Jewish nation would elect an evangelical Christian as Prime Minister? Sorry, you've got some egg on your face there.
Careful - your epidermis is showing.
"you bet. after clinton's oslo war began, the only tourists of note were the evangelicals. israelis love them."
As a non-evangelical tourist to Israel, during the end of the Clinton administration, I have to say that's one of the most ignorant statements ever posted on this here message board.
I'm still trying to figure out if HissyBuff is a Fox News Repub or just really bad satire.
careful, your jew hate is showing. - Racist White Supremacist hstybuf6553
This is being posted by a despciable unadmitted right wing racist white supremacist who hates and detests any group of people that aren't white.
Let's note that George W. Bush's grandfather Prescott Bush was in business with the Nazis AND Hitler throughout World War II, much like THE BUSH CABAL and the Bin Ladens are in international criminal business today.
he[Bush]'s being lionized in africa.- hstybuf6553
Did you mean to do that, Hissy? Because the visual really gave me a warm & fuzzy feeling.Especially the first few claw marks and nibbles.
USS Cole was attacked in Oct 2000. bush was elected in November and assumed the presidency in Jan 2001. He had nine months to capture bin Laden before 9/11 and almost seven years since. I fail to see how Clinton is involved in that time span.
He made good efferts HistBee, like getting the perps behind the first WTC bombing. Putting people to work on the problem.
With all your connections you should know the response to the Clinton's attempt to fully brief the in coming administration on terrorism. I see no evidence that they, the incoming folks, appreciated the problem.
Forget apology. In Matthews' case, Matthews ought to RESIGN, and RESIGN on his own.
We know that GOP-GE-NBC/MSNBC won't even THINK about pressuring Matthews to leave, since they were complicit in his actions.
careful, your jew hate is showing.
It's nice to know conservatives can also throw out false accusations of racism. Good job at broadening your horizons.
careful, your jew hate is showing.
It's nice to know conservatives can also throw out false accusations of racism. Good job at broadening your horizons. - cArn
Perfectly said, Carn.
Black talk radio takes the lead in catching the conservatives' bogus racism accusations, and some of the conservatives' bogus racism charges are directed at black talk radio. One example is when conservatives attack black talk radio for blasting Condoleeza Rice because Rice allegedly said that MLK and other civil rights leaders were troublemakers who upset the good white people of the South.
Black talk radio also blasted the anti-black Negro scam artist Clarence Thomas when Thomas played his hypocritical phony race card in 2001 before white conservatives when Thomas claimed to be the victim of "unfair" attacks from black talk radio and/or from black professional organizations.
You know that the picture isn't physically there, right? Matthews behavior doesn't suggest anything of the sort, because he can't see it.
He was probably smiling because he was talking about Obama so he had that electrical spark running up his leg again.
GOP-GE-NBC/MSNBC just made some low-level employee the scapegoat, the fall guy or fall girl, for both Matthews' and Capus' partisan political and racist act.
Haven't read the post yet, but that's what it sounds like to me, and it sounds like they are serving up a fall guy/fall girl.
THIS independent thinking uncompromised progressive never liked EITHER network, for BOTH Fox and NBC/MSNBC are right wing corporatist conservative Republican propaganda centers.
The only difference was that GOP-Fox is OVERTLY pro-Republican, while NBC/MSNBC was BACK-DOOR pro-Republican, but GOP-GE-NBC/MSNBC is moving closer and closer to the front door.