Hume, discussing Michelle Obama comment: "[T]here is this feeling" that Dems "are kind of embarrassed by patriotism"
SUMMARY: When Fox News' E.D. Hill asked Brit Hume to explain what Michelle Obama meant by her recent comments, Hume stated: "[I]t means that she is a liberal, and maybe an arch-liberal." He later stated, "But I think this was something that she kind of thinks," adding, "[T]here is this feeling, and it has affected Democratic politicians for a long time, that they are kind of embarrassed by patriotism."
On the February 19 edition of Fox News' America's Pulse, host E.D. Hill claimed that "[t]oday, everyone is analyzing, trying to figure out what in the world Michelle Obama [wife of Sen. Barack Obama] meant when she said, in a very -- I kind of thought it was one of these hastily worded, you know, statements, kind of jumbled out there -- but it's very deliberately worded and slowly said, I have never been proud of America, really, until now." When Hill asked Fox News Washington managing editor Brit Hume, "What in the world does that mean?" Hume replied, "Well, it means that she is a liberal, and maybe an arch-liberal. And it raises questions about whether he [Sen. Obama] agrees with her." Hume later stated, "But I think this was something that she kind of thinks," adding, "[T]here is this feeling, and it has affected Democratic politicians for a long time, that they are kind of embarrassed by patriotism."
Hume later referred to the 1988 presidential election, saying:
HUME: George H.W. Bush made a big deal out of the American flag and said he was supporting a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning and so forth, and he, you know -- it got ridiculous; I mean, to the point where one day he went to a flag factory and made a big deal out of it. On the other hand, it worked for him politically, because it played to this idea that some voters had that Democrats were kind of -- felt that patriotism made them a little uncomfortable. Public, outright, straightforward displays of patriotism, they thought -- seemed to think -- were a little icky. And a lot of people don't feel that way.
Hill later aired a video clip of Michelle Obama's comments. Video and transcript of her comments can be viewed here.
From the 2 p.m. ET hour of the February 19 edition of Fox News' America's Pulse:
HILL: You have watched politics for a long time and listened to a lot of stupid things that politicians have said. Today, everyone is analyzing, trying to figure out what in the world Michelle Obama meant when she said, in a very -- I kind of thought it was one of these hastily worded, you know, statements, kind of jumbled out there -- but it's very deliberately worded and slowly said, I have never been proud of America, really, until now.
HUME: Yeah, she's -- first time she said in her, I guess, adult life.
HILL: Adult life.
HUME: She -- adult life she'd been proud of America. That's --
HILL: What in the world does that mean?
HUME: Well, it means that she is a liberal, and maybe an arch-liberal. And it raises questions about whether he agrees with her. I mean, this is a -- this is, you know, we're not going to elect a spouse here, so that ought to be said right out.
HILL: So, does that --
HUME: On the other hand --
HILL: -- does that wash it out, or does it really matter?
HUME: No, no, because I think, you know, and then he needs to answer and say what he thinks of that. Is this -- I mean, for example, was he proud when the first President Bush ran Saddam Hussein's army out of Kuwait? Was he proud when the United States went to the rescue and did all that our Navy and other military forces did for the tsunami victims? Was he proud then? Indeed, one might ask her, "You sure you weren't proud then as well?" But I think this was something that she kind of thinks that the -- and there is -- there is this feeling, and it has affected Democratic politicians for a long time, that they are kind of embarrassed by patriotism. Well, I remember --
HILL: Yeah, I don't get that. There is a section of America that seems that way.
HUME: Go back to the 1988 election. George H.W. Bush made a big deal out of the American flag and said he was supporting a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning and so forth, and he, you know -- it got ridiculous; I mean, to the point where one day he went to a flag factory and made a big deal out of it. On the other hand, it worked for him politically, because it played to this idea that some voters had that Democrats were kind of -- felt that patriotism made them a little uncomfortable. Public, outright, straightforward displays of patriotism, they thought -- seemed to think -- were a little icky. And a lot of people don't feel that way.
HILL: And does that hurt even more, perhaps, because of the way this election looks to play out? When we're talking about how significant the independent vote is -- not the liberal, not the ultra-conservative, but the independent vote. How does it play out there?
HUME: Well, one senses that there are a lot of independents who have found out -- who, before now in their adult lives, have felt proud of America. Now, obviously -- look, this is something that Obama can probably handle rather deftly himself, and say that --
HILL: Does he have to? Or can he ignore it?
HUME: I think it would be -- I think -- well, it depends on how much the McCain camp wants to make of it. Now, you saw Cindy McCain fires a shot saying that she's always been proud of her country or whatever it was that she exactly said today. Well, that brings it into play. But one wonders what will happen here. It's interesting.
HILL: OK. Well, it'll be interesting also watching tonight's prime-time election coverage. Thank you very much, Brit Hume.
per hume's assessment, should i assume that patriotism can only be expressed through the sort of blind, unthinking lemming-like desire to follow and sing the endless praises of a right-wing daddy figure regardless of how incredibly and habitually stupid and wrong "daddy" might be?
if that is his idea of patriotism, he can keep it.
yourcrapleftbehnid,
Remember it is the democrat party that has people that jump at the chance to demean our military, ala Murtha, Kerry, Kennedy. And, the left requires deconstruction of the western culture to advance their cause, so the first inclination is to not consider the exceptionalism of this country, the values of individual liberty and economic freedom. The first inclination of lefties is to condemn the foundation of this country (founded by rich white guys ya know) and our history as the beacon of light that freed slaves, saved the world from the likes of Hitler, continues to financially support those who have suffered tragically in disasters throughout the world and (this is what really slays the left) brought down the communists in the USSR.
The tendency is rather to blame us for the troubles in the world, from famine, destruction of environment, war, hatred, terrorism and it goes on ad nauseum. That is why this woman's comment is being so closely scrutinized by Americans, it confirms what is in the heart of liberals.
Democrat party LOL
What an idiot. I bet you say nuclar missles too
Sheep, W mispronounces and his flock follows suit
Democrat party LOL
After all the attempts at disenfrachisement of the voters (Nevada, Florida, Michigan) during the primary season, they can be called anything but democratic.
Coming from the party that didn't care if every vote was counted during a Presidential election
You wouldn't be referring to the 2000 election and the Florida stuation would you? I'm sure you're not, cuz you would look like a total idiot if you were.
Even the most clueless know that Gore wanted a recount only in selected heavily Demonrat precincts. Bush wanted a recount of the whole state if anything was to be counted again.
...ummm...so which one didn't care about voting rights again?
"You wouldn't be referring to the 2000 election and the Florida stuation would you?"
You mean the situation where the United States was hi-jacked by the extremist, anti-American forces in the Republican Party who decided, after losing the '92 and '96 elections, to override the American people in 2000 and install the person who LOST THE ELECTION, thereby nullifying the United States as a country where the people elect the president? Are people still talking about that? What "loons" the American people for not letting that go!
Only people that watch the foriegn-owned FOX network, and hate everything this country stands for, think that undemining the 2000 election and ignoring the people's votes will ever be forgotten! Moron!
Oh yeah, those Republicans sure know how to disenfranchise voters...like the California scandal, where Republican operatives sent out pieces of "junk mail" that were actually voter re-registration cards. If you didn't fill it out cuz you thought it was junk mail, too bad, your vote doesn't count.
Come back and discuss things, intelligently, once you're in the minority come 2009.
don't forget the recent attempt to change california from a winner take all state to apportioned by county makeup state.
Let me get this straight...mailing out voter registration cards is disenfranchisement?
...does it hurt to be this stupid?
If YOU dont know whether it hurts to be stupid no one in the world would. YOUR stupid goes clear to the bone.
Democrat party LOL
What an idiot. I bet you say nuclar missles too
Sheep, W mispronounces and his flock follows suit
Every time I hear someone describe themselves as a "proud conservative", I take that to me they're too lazy to think things out for themselves.
"(founded by rich white guys ya know) and our history as the beacon of light that freed slaves..."--Proud Conservative.
Who do you think owned the slaves in the first place? Starving Indians?
That was my favorite part of the wingnut's post too, Onion. Pretty cool of us to free those slaves.We even gave them a ride over here so we could (eventually) free them.
Did somebody put lead or psilocybin in the GOP central Kool Aid supply? They seem to be getting more silly than ever lately.
"We"?? Check your history, it was the lazy liberals who brought them over. It was the indolent liberals who used them till they died. It was the stupid liberal who fought to keep them. It was the racist liberals who refused to free them. Liberals are the most slothful people, always seeking ways for others to do work for them or to have someone else do what needs to be done.
Oh, yeah! That's real patriotism. My feeling is that Mrs Obama's remarks simply show the racial hatred still in the family. And, you liberals are like the sheep being led down that road. Hilariously thinking she is a leader. Very good job with defending her remarks. It truely shows what kind of people you all really are, hell, even your democratic leaders come from the KKK.
Get ready for another 4 years of republican rule. Your past president couldn't get anything (non-sexual) done and your democratic ruled house/senate hasn't been able to get anything done (as promised). People are seeing that and have given your hero's an even LOWER approval rating than the one you so proudly pointed out Bush as having!! That really demonstrates your ignorance.
What brilliant satire!
I would suggest, though, that you use the [sarcasm] and [/sarcasm] tags next time.
I get it. Today is opposite day.
Happy opposite day, everybody!
oops.
Everyone have a miserable and dangerous opposite day.
Please Drink and Drive.
Racist Philib, you are a racist white supremacist, and your side hates black people, along with Latinos, along with anyone who isn't white.
Racist George Bush Senior campaigned against the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act when he was the 1964 Republican U.S. Senate Candidate in Texas, calling the civil rights act "...an affront to the UNited States Constitution." Racist George W. Bush compared the civil rights movement to socialism during his Yale days. Racist Republican Ronald Reagan told a Los Angeles Times Reporter in 1966 that he would have voted against the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act had he been in either the U.S. House or U.S. Senate in 1964 when he was the 1966 Republican Candidate for Governor of California. Racist Reagan called the 1964 Civil Rights Act "unfair to the South", proving that Reagan was a racist white supremacist.
Fast forward 14 years to 1980, when Racist Republican Ronald Reagan made his racist 1980 presidential campaign kick-off speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, using the racist code phrase for advocating the repeal of the civil rights laws "...the South will rise again." Racist Reagan also attempted to repeal both the 1964 Civil Rights Act AND the 1965 Voting Rights Act by directing his IN-Justice Department to try to have both laws declared unconstotutional. The KKK also endorsed RacistV Reagan in 1980, and the KKK endorsed Reagan again when he ran for re-election in 1984.
Racist Republican Chickenhawk Tom Delay said that he was unable to fight in Vietnam because all the spots had been taken by blacks and Hispanics. Racist Republican U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher knowingly accepts campaign contributions from the Pioneer Fund, a Neo-Nazi connected white supremacist group. Racist Republican U.S. Senator Jeff Sessions of Alabama called a white civil rights lawyer in his state a race traitor in 2002 because the lawyer represented blacks in civil rights cases. Jim Gilmore, Bush's first chosen head of the Republican National Committee and also the Republican Governor of Virginia at that time, "accidentally" signed a proclamation honoring a David Duke-lite white supremacist group in 2001, and after that, Gilmore refused to recognize the existence of the Richmond Free Press, Virginia's leading African-American newspaper.
Anti-black Negro Conservative Republicans also have and/or actively seek out political alliances with white supremacist groups. The anti-black blakc conservative Republican Walter Williams is a friend and political ally of right wing white supremacist Jared Taylor and Taylor's white supremacist group American Renaissance. Anti-black Negro conservative Republican Ward "Con Man" Connerly has political alliances with the KKK and the racist white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens. Anti-black Negro conservative Jesse Lee Peterson is a friend and political ally of right wing white supremacist Glenn Spencer and Spencer's white supremacist group the National Alliance. Anti-black Negro conservative radio host Ken Hamblin is the only KNOWN Negro conservative member of the racist white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens.
Also, the Republicans are the party that refuses interviews with black newspapers and black magazines the Republicans mostly reject invitations to appear on black talk radio, and the Republicans are the party that either rejects invitiations to appear at the conventions of black professional organizations and/or makes overtly reluctant, racist, and offensive appearances at the conventions of the black professional organizations.
I never made any claim that republicans aren't racist, too. But, you did not address the fact that your party is currently employing an ex-leader of the KKK, not just getting their endorsement. Yet, you make no claim of outrage on that man.
Democrats can change their stripes, but republicans cannot? Once a republican racist...always a republican racist--is that your stance? KKK leaders move on to LEAD the democrats and he is forgiven, but republican racists are forever stamped racist and never forgiven??
Get ready for another 4 years of republican rule. Your past president couldn't get anything (non-sexual) done
LOL, looks like your current nominee has a few (sexual) problems of his own and it's not with the plastic stepford wife #2
McCain Denies Romantic Link With Lobbyist
You're the one who was making the point about Clinton's sexual behavior. I personally don't care what McCain does in his private time, but if conservatives are going to make an issue out of it with Clinton, then they should make the same issue for McCain.
Otherwise, that would be hypocritical. Does that help clear the fog for you?
Considering the news is hardly 24 hours old, do you think you may want to hear the facts before you brand him a cheater and sexual predator like Clinton is?? There's your hypocrisy for you!
You just can't wait for something on a republican, you don't even care if it's true or not. You hear it...you repeat it...must be true since you heard it and said it. Wow, talk about being the party's parrot!
I didn't repeat anything. I said I don't care what he does, that's not saying he's actually done anything. That means I don't care if he has. That's the same attitude I had with Clinton, and with Bush 41 when there were rumors about him having an affair.
So how is that hypocritical?
Oh? You're backing down now that you see your own hypocrisy! I expected that. There isn't much else to do, is there? That's why liberals bring the message of hate/misery. From it's leaders down to the little folk you can find no good in anything. Everything must be bad or worse.
Mrs Obama finally can be very proud of her nation, Mrs McCain is always proud of her nation. One sees good in our nation and one sees bad in our nation. Guess which one is the liberal.
"but if conservatives are going to make an issue out of it with Clinton, then they should make the same issue for McCain."
You failed to mention that you "don't care" about conservative beliefs. You spoke of conservative intentions as if you know their motives on every step. You are repeating what you are told about McCain in this statement also. Your hypocrisy (as I stated earlier) is when you insinuate McCain is a sexual predator, like Clinton is, when the facts are not even known (at least about McCain). I have facts and history to back up calling Clinton a sexual predator, you have a 1-day-old story with no facts or proof to back up what you are saying. When the facts are known, I will either call McCain a Clinton-wanna-be or not. But, unlike liberals (see Duke rape case) I will wait for the facts to be known before making my own personal judgement.
So conservatives didn't make an issue out of rumors regarding Clinton? How about John Kerry? You must be joking.
I'm not repeating anything, because I'm not making any judgment about whether it's true or not. Even if it's not true, conservatives jump on rumors with Dems, so they should jump on rumors about McCain as well. Does that clarify things for you?
"So conservatives didn't make an issue out of rumors regarding Clinton?"
RUMORS?? What rumors, Clinton is a sexual predator who should be in jail. Instead he is your hero for allowing sexual deviancy to thrive while holding the office of the President of the US. There are NO rumors about Clinton, his sexual deviancy is well documented and admitted. I'm surprised NOW hasn't called for his castration. But, then, you have to realize the hypocrisy that is in-bread in liberlism.
Are you pretending that people like you didn't make an issue out of RUMORS before they were validated? Seriously? You do know that when you find something out for a fact that it doesn't change the past so that it was always a fact, right?
You don't do yourself any favors with the "sexual predator" nonsense either. The rape case was tossed out, the sexual harassment case was thrown out. He's a philanderer, yes, but that's not the same thing.
I wasn't going to mention this, because I wasn't sure you were stupid enough to come back here:"Is your hyposcrisy saying that McCain cannot be a good president while having sexual relations outside his marraige? Or are you saying that only Bill Clinton has that ability? That's what it sounds like you are saying."
Please note that this is what I was initially responding to. You are the one who is laying the framework there, a framework which assumes that McCain is having sexual relations outside his marriage. Maybe if you go back and read it all again, you'll realize how idiotic all of your talk about me assuming or repeating actually is.
Flag scmaming chickenhawk con loudmouth liars like ProduChickenhawkCon-Artist-Servative and other chickenhawk cons like Tom "too many blacks took the spots" Delay, Dick "5 Defermits" Cheney, John AWOL Boehnner, Karl Mulitple Number Defermits Rove, THE BUSH CABAL who had Prescott Bush doing business with Hitler, Flush "Anal Cyst" Drugbaugh, Mitt "Everybody else kids will fight in wars except my 5 sons" Romney (now that Mitt's out of the race, Mitt's 5 sons can go to Iraq now), Mitch Chickenhawk McConnell, George AWOL Bush, Jeb Chickenhawk Bush, Brit Chiceknhawk Hume, E.D. Chickenhawk Hate Hag Hill, Ann Chickenhawk Coulter, Chickenhawk Bill O'Reilly, Chickenhawk Laura Ingraham, Chickenhawk Rusted Out Liar Humhries, and the rest of the chickenhawk lying flag-scamming cons, and the rest of the flag scamming chickenhawks hide behind trees while demanding others fight in wars, and Proud Chickenhawk Con-Artist-Servative and others like them have the audacity to call themselves patriots, when they are cowardly demagougic flag-scamming scum liars.
This country's history includes the dis-likes of rich white men enslaving black people that they kidnapped from the African continents saying that blacks were 3/5 of human being, who waved the flag while they lynched black people from trees, while they give corporations power over people and give corporations the same rights as human beings, they said that women were inferior to men, they say that white supremacy is an American ideal, they regarded racial segregation and "whites only" as being good American traditions, Proud Chickenhawk Con-Artist-Servative and those like him hate black people and say it is a patriotic act to hate and detest black people, and the rich white sociopathic imperialists seekworld conquest as they seek to crush any non-white nation that has resources it wants, such as the African continent for its diamonds and/or oil, such as Iraq for its oil, in the name of racism, white supremacy, and imperialism, and they define these depraved sociopathic fascist racist white supremeacist actions as being "patriotic".
"...rich white sociopathic imperialists seekworld conquest as they seek to crush any non-white nation that has resources it wants, such as the African continent for its diamonds and/or oil, such as Iraq for its oil, in the name of racism, white supremacy, and imperialism" - Wait, I can't honestly believe that you or anyone thinks we went into Iraq in the name of racism and white supremacy. Are you serious? Where is a shred of evidence to support that?
And one more question: Since white leadership and whites ruling countries is clearly a bad thing in your eyes, name one country under non-white leadership that has more freedoms for ALL people and a higher standard of living than a white-ruled country. Hint - you probably want to scratch zimbabwe off the list first.
Those white countries do have higher standards of living. But they had to exploit non-whites to get it (read "Heart of Darkness")
Then again, Bush is white and we seem to be lowering our standard of living everyday.
see-it-racist: "This country's history includes the dis-likes of rich white men enslaving black people that they kidnapped from the African continents saying that blacks were 3/5 of human being, who waved the flag while they lynched black people from trees,"
Africans...black Africans sold their own to the highest bidder. I guess you don't care about looking at your own country's history?
Your democratic leaders are former leaders of the KKK. Which flag were they waving? The rainbow flag? Because you sure show many colors while ranting about racism.
You may not be stupid enough to believe the crap you're spewing, but I'll attempt to educate you just in case you are.
There is one active Democratic leader who had a history in the KKK. He has renounced his past and thoroughly lived up to that renunciation in word and in action. Meanwhile, for sevaral decades the KKK has sent most of its support to Republican candidates.
Did you know that the KKK issues opinions of endorsement or opposition to some pieces of legislation? Guess which is the party of origin for most of those pieces of legislation that the KKK endorses? It doesn't begin with a "D."
First off, fool, Africa is not a country, it's a CONTINENT. Black Africans who sold their own people into slavery were paid very little and short changed and/or intimidated by the white imperialists who invaded their shores.
Also, Racist Philib, the KKK was started by Democrats, but they all became REPUBLICANS around the time and AFTER the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. The dis-likes of Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms and etc. all became throwback segregationist REPUBLICANS, except for the anti-black racist white supremacist friend of today's Republicans, the racist wanna-be Zell Miller.
There's also the fact that the dis-likes of Racist Bush 41 campaigned AGAINST the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act as the 1964 REPUBLICAN Candidate for the U.S. Senate, and Racist Ronald Reagan saying that he would have voted AGAINST the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act if he had been in Congress when Reagan was the 1966 REPUBLICAN Candidate for Governor of California. The KKK also endorsed Reagan for president in 1980, and endorsed him again when Reagan ran for re-election in 1984.
Also, the dis-likes of several anti-black Negro conservatives like Ward "Con Man" Connerly have political alliances with the KKK and the racist Council of Conservative Citizens, anti-black Negro Walter Williams has a political alliance with right wing white supremacist Jared Taylor and Taylor's racist white supremacist group American Renaissance, and the anti-black Negro conservative Ken Hamblin is the only KNOWN black member of the racist Council of Conservative Citizens.
Also, the dis-likes of Racist Republican U.S. Rep. Dana Rohrabacher accepts campaign contributions from the Neo-Nazi connected white supremacist group the Pioneer Fund. Which of these white supremacist groups are you a member of, Philib?
"First off, fool, Africa is not a country, it's a CONTINENT. Black Africans who sold their own people into slavery were paid very little and short changed and/or intimidated by the white imperialists who invaded their shores."
So, this is what your REALLY mad about? You're mad because you weren't paid enough for selling your own people? WOW, that has got to be the best reason I've ever heard. Is that what the repirations are that you want? To make up for being "short changed" while selling your own people? Are your ancestors one of the sellers, and that's why you won't comment on that?
Racist White Supremacist Liar Philib's latest vile hideous evil racist white supremacist lie rant:
"So, this is what your REALLY mad about? You're mad because you weren't paid enough for selling your own people? WOW, that has got to be the best reason I've ever heard. Is that what the repirations are that you want? To make up for being "short changed" while selling your own people? Are your ancestors one of the sellers, and that's why you won't comment on that?"
Racist Phliib, besides the fact that you are a stone cold racist white supremacist what hates and detests black people, you are also a blad faced LIAR! I posted that comment to highlight your own ignorance of the fact that you don't even know the difference! Then again, since racism is fueled by ignorance, you're happy. As for your hideous evil racist LIES about me and other blacks being short changed for not selling our own people into slavery, that racist rant that you just spewed is only applicable to the dis-likes of the anti-black conservative sellout Republican Negroes, as WVON-AM 1690's black talk radio host Clifford Kelley calls Negroes, such as the dis-likes of the self-hating anti-black Negro Jesse Lee Peterson, or Larry Elder, or Clarence Thomas, or the rest of the anti-black Negro conservatives who love to sell out their own people to get checks or promises of checks from racist white conservative think tanks, for THEY are the kind of Negro conservative sellouts, as described by BlackCommentator.com http://www.blackcommentator.com and Black Agenda Report http://www.blackagendareport.com, 2 credible black news sites that blast anti-Black Negro conservative sellouts. In the case of the anti-black Negro Clarence Thomas, he not only wishes he could get the proceeds of selling blacks into slavery, he also has hideous dreams of striking down the 13th Amendment!
Hearing the rest of your vile hideous racist white supremacist comments reveals the fact that you not only harbor tremendous racist hatred of black people, you also reveal yourself to be a violent sociopath who dreams of being among those physically exterminating blacks from the planet.
"Then again, since racism is fueled by ignorance, you're happy."
You must be "very" happy, heru. Your rant couldn't be more pleasing to read for everyone out there. You'll fit right in with the liberal party, you whine as much as they do. You and your "everyone's causing my misery" mentality are a perfect fit for the liberal "everything in America sucks" mentality. Misery loves company. That's probably why the KKK leaders choose to join the democratic party.
Right Stranger, and the parties philosophies are exactly the same as they were then. Republicans believe in progress, right? Why has the South consistently voted Republican since the Civil Rights Act of 1964 when it had voted Democratic until then?
Why did Strom Thurmond change parties? Why didn't Democratic party leaders say what Trent Lott said at Thurmond's birthday?
Why did Strom Thurmond change parties?
Because he was ashamed of his racist past an wanted to get far away as possible from the likes of Democratracist/segregationsists like Robert Byrd, William Fulbright, Ross Barnett, Al Gore, Sr., Fritz Hollings, Sam Ervin, Huey Long, George Wallace, Orval Fabus, Lester Maddox...and on...and on..and on ...ad infinitum
And if you think the Republican Party that freed the slaves is the same party as today, keep dreaming.
Yes, Democrats opposed civil rights legislation, specifically Dixiecrats, and when it was passed, which party did they defect to, and which party accepted them with open arms? That's right, the Republican Party.
Black people aren't stupid, Stranger. They know which party housed Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms most recently, and still houses Trent Lott.
News flash, Stranger, that was THEN, this is NOW.
TODAY's Republicans favor REPEALING both the 1964 Civil Rights Act AND the 1965 Voting Rights Act. TODAY's Republicans have put right wing pro-segregation/pro-Plessy judges on the federal courts AND the Supreme Court.
RACIST REPUBLICAN GEORGE H.W. BUSH campaigned AGAINST the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act as the 1964 REPUBLICAN Candidate for the U.S. Senate, calling the law "...an affront to the United States Constitution."
RACIST REPUBLICAN RONALD REAGAN, then running as the 1966 REPUBLICAN Candidate for Governor of California, told a reporter for the Los Angeles Times that if he had been in either the U.S. House or U.S. Senate in 1964, that he would have voted AGAINST the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. Racist Reagan called the 1964 Civil Rights Act "unfair to the South."
The KKK endorsed Racist Republican Ronald Reagan for president when Reagan ran in 1980 after Reagan's 1980 campaign speech in Philadelphia, Mississippi, which was filled with racist code phrases like "...the South will rise again", a code phrase for Reagan stating his intent to repeal the civil rights laws if elected president.
The racist white supremacist Aryan Nations honored the anti-black Negro conservative Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas on their web site 8 years ago. Some infamous black conservative Republicans have and/or seek out political alliances with right wing racist white supremacist groups of today.
The dis-likes of black conservative Republican Condoleeza Rice called MLK and other civil rights leaders "troublemakers who upset the good white people of the South" in a 2001 interview with the Washington Post. Black talk radio host Clifford Kelley of Chicago's black talk radio station WVON-AM 1690 http://www.wvon.com refers to her as "Condescending Rice."
Remember it is the democrat party that has people that jump at the chance to demean our military
Therefore, we wouldn't support the democrat party, if it actually exists. It's a good thing we have the Democratic Party who respects and defends the military, making sure their promised benefits are provided and attempting to prevent the misuse of military.
And, the left requires deconstruction of the western culture to advance their cause, so the first inclination is to not consider the exceptionalism of this country, the values of individual liberty and economic freedom.
Fantasy. The left loves and respects this country and seeks to make it the best that it can be.
The first inclination of lefties is to condemn the foundation of this country (founded by rich white guys ya know) and our history as the beacon of light that freed slaves
We were actually close to the last western country to free slaves. At least the liberal elements of our country eventually helped get that accomplished.
... and (this is what really slays the left) brought down the communists in the USSR.
The American left was happy about the fall of the Soviet Union. We just recognize the reality that their downfal was primarily of their own doing.
"It's a good thing we have the Democratic Party who respects and defends the military" - HAHAHAHAHA. My oh my, we have a short memory. Don't you remember how just last week it was the Democrats who blocked the "Semper Fi Act," which basically was a show of support for the ungrateful swine in Berkeley California who wanted to kick the marines out of town. Is that your idea of good little patriotic American Democrats? Wanting to boot the Marines, one of the most prestigious organazations in the world, out of town?
Let's look at another current event: Kosovo. How did it happen that a land that was part of Serbia for 700 years, could be taken over by some fanatical muslims? Democrats, specifically Clinton. How does this relate to patriotism/military? Well, the Democrats showed their true embarrassment of patriotism and lack of respect for the American military when they used US war planes, painted over them with NATO markings, and dropped bombs on the Serbian people, who were pretty much innoccent, and only had been defending their country from unwanted muslim invaders that were coming in and killing their police.
You democrats have the nerve to bash the military action republicans have supported in Iraq, but so quickly forget the warmongering of the Democrats in Kosovo. At least a mulititude of nations believed Iraq was a danger...Kosovo was just a convenient way for ole' Bill and the Dems to take all the attention off them. Oh yeah, and at least the Iraqi people still have their country, Serbian natives of Kosovo for 700 years just lost theirs, thanks to the Democrats.
Wow...where to begin...hmm, let's see. First off, Kosovo was never "taken over by radical muslims." Ethnic Albanians were predominantly Muslim, but religious rhetoric was largely absent from the political discourse. The conflict and subsequent genocide was between ethnic Serbians, Yugoslavians, and ethnic Albanians, and had little to nothing to do with religion, and everything to do with nationalism.
Second, NATO was the driving force behind the bombing campaign, and every NATO member was involved to some degree. Even Greece. Don't believe me? Look it up.
At this point do I need to go on?
You know it's funny, Republicans label Democrats the "blame America first" crowd, but are quick to jump on anything that happened in the 90's as Clinton's fault.
You'll have to go on since you based your response on propaganda and failure to observe actual events.
First off, Kosovo was never "taken over by radical muslims." - So, you're telling me that moderate muslims have burned down/destroyed/vandalised over 400 orthodox christian churces in Kosovo? You're telling me it is moderate muslims who have drivin the Serbs out of the land to the point where only 120,000 remain...and need to be guarded by Nato troops? Call me crazy, but I do not believe this to be the result of a moderate muslim movement.
The conflict and subsequent genocide was between ethnic..... - There was no genocide, this is blatenly obvious in the United Nation's final casualty count in Milosevic's war. The casualties didn't even add up to 1% of Americans killed in the war between the states.
Good thing I never talked about or claimed to be talking about what "happened during the yugoslavian breakup" as a whole. I am only referring to the events in Kosovo, which the Democrats took action on under Clinton.
If you support the action we took against the Serbs (for whatever reason you may have)...you are supporting the attack of a nation that had previously been our ally, and NEVER did anything to hurt America. Sounds kind of like Iraq...so should I assume you now support our action in Iraq?
Serbia wasn't an ally, not to my recollection. Yugoslavia was...
but you are bluring the lines trying to make them sound the same nonetheless.
Seems you need a history lesson!
The Kingdom of Yugoslavia was in a precarious position in World War II. Fearing an invasion by Nazi Germany, Yugoslav Regent Prince Paul signed the Tripartite Pact with the Axis powers on 25 March 1941, triggering massive demonstrations in Belgrade. On March 27, Prince Paul was overthrown by a military coup d'état (with British support) and replaced with the 17-year-old King Peter II. General Dušan Simović became Peter's Prime Minister and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia withdrew its support for the Axis.
In response to this Adolf Hitler launched an invasion of Yugoslavia on April 6. By 17 April, an unconditional surrender was signed in Belgrade. After the invasion, the Kingdom of Yugoslavia was dissolved and Serbia was set up as a Nazi German-occupied puppet state. In 1941, Serbia included present-day Central Serbia and the Banat. This German client state was popularly known as "Nedić's Serbia" due to its head of state, Milan Nedić. While this state formally recognized King Peter II of Yugoslavia as its monarch, he instead headed the Yugoslav government in exile which was generally recognized by the Allies.
Snoopy barked:
>>Seems you need a history lesson!
Good dog!
Seriously, that should embarrassed number John, if he can be embarrassed. But even if Serbia were our ally in WW2, so was the Soviet Union. Does that mean that in 1960 they weren't our enemies? And Viet Nam was likewise an ally in WW2; they weren't our ally in 1968, when we were bombing both parts of the country.
I'm not sure what your wikipedia history lesson is trying to "teach" me. None of what you posted changes my original assertion of the fact that the Serbs were anti-nazi during WW2, putting them on the same side of the equation as us. http://www.srpska-mreza.com/History/ww2/index.html
Of course there were partisans in yugoslavia. There were partisans in poland too. And Russia. And sure, those few thousand partisans were allied with the allies - but yugoslavian partisans were armed and mainly allied with the russians. And like it was pointed out, if we use your logic, does that mean russia is still an ally?
The Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes was formed in 1918; its name was changed to Yugoslavia in 1929. Various paramilitary bands resisted Nazi Germany's occupation and division of Yugoslavia from 1941 to 1945, but fought each other and ethnic opponents as much as the invaders. The military and political movement headed by Josip TITO (Partisans) took full control of Yugoslavia when German and Croatian separatist forces were defeated in 1945. Although Communist, TITO's new government and his successors (he died in 1980) managed to steer their own path between the Warsaw Pact nations and the West for the next four and a half decades.
courtesy of the CIA world fact book
John wrat:
>>First off, Kosovo was never "taken over by radical muslims." - So, you're telling me that moderate muslims have burned down/destroyed/vandalised over 400 orthodox christian churces in Kosovo? You're telling me it is moderate muslims who have drivin the Serbs out of the land to the point where only 120,000 remain...and need to be guarded by Nato troops? Call me crazy, but I do not believe this to be the result of a moderate muslim movement.
Okay, I'll call you crazy. Just because the one sect drove another out of their country doesn't mean the conflict is religious in nature. In our civil war, General Sherman destroyed wide swaths of the South. (Though I'm from the North and think the civil war was needed to end slavery, we can rightly say that Sherman's march was a war crime.) Does that mean General Sherman was a radical Christian? And yes, the other side had more than its share of destroying churches, I assume primarily because they were obvious targets.
Given the history of Islam, and it's intolerance for other religions, looking at a situation where muslims are destroying christian churches has many deeper implications than christian-on-christian violence.
To expand this idea, it's like saying the case of a white murdering a black is the same as a black murdering a black. It's not the same! Sure, the end result is the same, but in the case of a white killing a black, there are more questions regarding the motives that have to be asked. Same with muslims destroying christian property, the motives have to be investigated.
John wrat:
>>Given the history of Islam, and it's intolerance for other religions, looking at a situation where muslims are destroying christian churches has many deeper implications than christian-on-christian violence.
What history? Whatever can be said about Islam, can be said about Christianity. Does the inquisition, the 100 years war, or Puritans shooting Native Americans mean anything to you?
>>Same with muslims destroying christian property, the motives have to be investigated.
Right. Which you have not done. If Christians are burning 3 times a many Mosques, that means there was ethnic tension. Or it means that the Christians were 3 times as intolerant as the Muslims.
"What history? Whatever can be said about Islam, can be said about Christianity. Does the inquisition, the 100 years war, or Puritans shooting Native Americans mean anything to you? "
You can remember bad Christian historical events, but you deny current Islamic events. What woud you call that kind of thinking?
The opposition to the laughable semper fi act had nothing to do with support for the military. That preposterous act sought to punish Berkeley for their curtailments of military recruiting (which had no link to the Democratic Party) by rescinding federal funds including funding for school lunches and roads. It's idiotic to use that as an example of lack of patriotism.
Your blathering about Kosovo shows that you have an extreme disconnect between cause and effect. Apparently you believe that the ethnic cleansing that the bombing halted should have continued until the Albanian population was suitably devastated so that they could be subjugated with no risk of protest.
The split of Kosovo from Serbia is an issue centuries in the making that has zero to do with the patriotism of the Democratic Party.
If you have to go that far afield to attempt (and fail) to make a case against Democratic patriotism, it demonstrates how weak a case exists to be made.
"Apparently you believe that the ethnic cleansing that the bombing halted should have continued" - See my post above. You bought into the propaganda that "ethnic cleansing" or genocide was going on. In reality, as can be verified in the UN report, the number killed was less than 1% of those who died in Lincon's war.
I linked Kosovo to the Dem's being embarrassed of patriotism because they were too shallow to fly the bomber planes in with USA markings on them, and instead covered OUR warplanes with NATO markings.
Oh, doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the writing's on the wall for the republicans next election.
But glad you clarified, you do want to live in a country where the government in control punishes people for their political beliefs. In 2009 I'll be looking forward to watching the government targeting conservative parts of the country. Cause and effect indeed.
John wrat:
>>Oh, and you exactly do you think was protesting the marines being in Berkely? Do you think it was a nice, equal bi-partisan group of patriotic people? It was obviously a mix of Democrats, and America/Military-hating independents who fail to realize the only reason they are allowed to hold such a digusting protest is because marines have fought and died to protect their right to do so. That whole situation is unreal.
This is just an Archie Bunker type rant. We have free speech in this country because a lot of non-military people fought like hell for it, and sacrificed much. Take for example, the free speech of Blacks and women. Neither was automatic. Both were granted after popular movements that had nothing to do with the Marines.
Funnyman wrat:
"We have free speech in this country because a lot of non-military people fought like hell for it, and sacrificed much."
Actually, last time I checked, we have free speech in this country because a group of genius, rich, white, christian men, who broke free from oppressive England (through military action) created the Constitution and Bill of Rights to rule this great land. Since then, the American military have been the front line defenders of the life we enjoy. Those less than human swine in Berkeley do not even realize that their very way of life is a direct result of American military victory. So, sure, they can say and think whatever they want, but when you decide to boot a federal service out of town, you're going to lose something. There is a big difference between speaking freely and thinking freely, and passing legislation to boot a federal service out of town. (notice how the liliputians backed down once their federal entitlement money was on the line? Shows you how strongly they actually believed in getting rid of the marines)
John wrat:
>>Actually, last time I checked, we have free speech in this country because a group of genius, rich, white, christian men, who broke free from oppressive England (through military action) created the Constitution and Bill of Rights to rule this great land.
Ah, then you might want to check your history. Neither blacks nor women had those rights, despite what the bill of rights says. You might want to check how women got the right to vote, and the civil rights movement.
>>Since then, the American military have been the front line defenders of the life we enjoy.
Oh really? This is just a vague re-assertion of your original point--not proof of it. And I see you have to throw in some name calling to try to bolster your argument, which doesn't convince.
funnyman wrat:
"You might want to check how women got the right to vote, and the civil rights movement."
The sole reasons these movements were successful (and rightly so) is because the genius, rich, white, christian men created the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If they had not created those documents, those movements would have had no ground to stand on or precedent to move forward with.
John wrat:
>>The sole reasons these movements were successful (and rightly so) is because the genius, rich, white, christian men created the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If they had not created those documents, those movements would have had no ground to stand on or precedent to move forward with.
Oh really? That constitution that denied the very rights you say it granted! The contitution written by the rich white men did not give blacks or women the right to vote! But I guess in your world up is down.
By the way, the majority of the founding fathers did not believe that Jesus was the son of God, the definition of Christianity today, so I wouldn't call them Christians, either.
John wrat:
>>The sole reasons these movements were successful (and rightly so) is because the genius, rich, white, christian men created the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If they had not created those documents, those movements would have had no ground to stand on or precedent to move forward with.
Oh, but I almost forgot that this statement, though mostly wrong, has nothing to do with your original argument, anyway, that the Marines allowed the protests in Berkley.
I used just think liberals/progressives were wrong and therefore I disagreed. In the past week or 2, i've come to realize that I cannot begin to comprehend the sickness in their heads.
wanting to boot the marines out of berkeley, a cult-like obsession with an unknown candidate who spouts the buzzwords "hope/change" more than guiliani said "9/11," not one liberal in the media correctly referring to Castro as a murderous dictator, the whole bernie ward thing, liberal anit-gun policies resulting in more dead students because they are not allowed to defend themselves with a weapon, and so on...
John wrat:
>>I used just think liberals/progressives were wrong and therefore I disagreed. In the past week or 2, i've come to realize that I cannot begin to comprehend the sickness in their heads.
Yes, John, when you have lost the argument, resort to trash talking and name calling. You are now ranting and not even trying to make sense.
We are even. I used to think that conservatives were just wrong. I have come to understand how incredibly stupid they are. Its not that they are just wrong they are astonishingly ignorant morons. NOW I get it. I have no hope of comprehending the scope of their stupidity.
I wish you idiotic righties would learn some history. Take a class or something. The framers of the Constitution and Bill of Rights were by and large Deists, not Christians. Get it right and quit trying to rewrite history to suit your agenda. They might have been white, they might have been rich, but they were definitely genius. It's sad, however, that you fail to realize that they were the LIBERALS of their time, but continue to use falsehoods and half-truths in order to paint some sort of racially charged "white men are better" argument. It's disgusting.
While you're entitled to your opinion, and you have the right to scream it on any street corner, I, and many other fair-minded people only accept it for the garbage that it is. Your party is drying up - and I, for one, couldn't be happier. It's only a matter of time.
Yeah, how many trimes has it been said about both parties that they are "dying" at some point in time? But, I can only hope the republican party does crash. This means that conservatives will be able to rise a legitimate party to carry real conservatism, not republicanism. The American Nationalist party is on its way.
John wrat:
>>I linked Kosovo to the Dem's being embarrassed of patriotism because they were too shallow to fly the bomber planes in with USA markings on them, and instead covered OUR warplanes with NATO markings.
This gets back to what Steve wrote about Patriotism: Good things should be supported. Bad things should be stopped. "Patriotism" adds nothing to those obvious statements.
If putting NATO markings on US planes was bad, then it was bad; if it was good, then it was good. There is not need to bring patriotism into the discussion. It is simply superflous and doesn't tell us anything about whether the war was good or bad, or whether Clinton conducted the war well or not well.
Man, your stupidity is immediately through the roof today.
"No you regurgitated that nonsense because you are too stupid to think for yourself "
It is clearly my own personal belief that if you are going to use military force, you should fly your own flag on your own planes. I don't know what "hivemind" you speak of, but those are my personal beliefs.
Oh wait, maybe it was because Clinton didnt get Congressional approval for the use of military force against Kosovo! Yeah, so he figured if he could do it under the guise of NATO, it would be cool. All to divert attention from his perverted adulterous lifestyle. Your ignorance of the event is legendary and your stupidity flows like the Nile.
John wrat:
>>Oh wait, maybe it was because Clinton didnt get Congressional approval for the use of military force against Kosovo! Yeah, so he figured if he could do it under the guise of NATO, it would be cool. All to divert attention from his perverted adulterous lifestyle.
Well, how many presidents wage war without military approval? Do you remember Reagan's wars in Central America? As far as they claim that Clinton did so to divert from Monica gate, I see no proof of this. (I was against this war, for the record.) And "perverted?" What are we a little Puritan now? And what is more perverted, having sex with a consenting adult, or waging a war based on lies, as Bush did?
"And what is more perverted, having sex with a consenting adult, or waging a war based on lies, as Bush did?"
You started by mislabeling the events. Re-phrase to "committing adultery," and re-phrase "based on lies" to "based on misjudgements," and we are on the right track. First, I'll let the man upstairs judge what is more perverted when the time comes. Second, I'd like to address the whole "bush lied" thing. A lie occurs when someone says something they know not to be true, but passes it off as truth. Misjudgement is when you make a decision based on the information at hand, and it turns out to be not the best decision. You see, Bush, Congress, and many other supporting nations made what turned out to be an incorrect choice, but the data at hand pointed to the fact that Saddam had WMD's. Did you see the 60 minutes with Saddam's interrogator? Saddam worked hard to make the world think he did indeed have WMD's. Since the data available supported the notion that WMD's were there, acting on that data is not a "lie."
I did not just say all this to legitimize Bush or the choices made about Iraq. I simply said it to point out the fact that yelling "bush lied" is a stupid and incorrect statement to make regarding the reasons that put us and other nations into Iraq.
John wrat:
>>First, I'll let the man upstairs judge what is more perverted when the time comes.
Well, then why did you make the assertion that Clinton was perverted, if you are now going to claim you cannot make such judgemnet? That is illogical.
>> Second, I'd like to address the whole "bush lied" thing.
Sorry, but not only did the Bush admin lie, but they did so 935 times:
link
Yes, 935 times. Tough when the facts are against you, huh?
JOHN:
Good job at downplaying Bush's culpability!
You have redefined the DEATH of 4000 and the MAIMING of 30,000 as an "ooops. Misjudged a bit there" thing.
A "boo-boo."
An "oopsy."
Does this rationalization help you sleep at night?
I thought this line would make my intentions clear: "I did not just say all this to legitimize Bush or the choices made about Iraq."
Don't forget to blame Congress and other participating nations for these deaths as well.
John escribier:
>>I thought this line would make my intentions clear: "I did not just say all this to legitimize Bush or the choices made about Iraq."
935 times John. Count them.
Clinton murdered 20,000 Serb civilians with his indiscriminate bombing raids.
"The Muslims were for the most part VICTIMS in Kosovo." - They were the instigators in Kosovo. The Albanian Muslims started invading into Kosovo and were killing Serbian police officers. It was only after this instigation that the Serbs began defending their homeland against the invading murderers. This defense of their land is what Clinton and the Dems coined a "genocide." A "genocide" that took a total number of lives that was less than 1% of American deaths during the civil war -- check the UN's official report on the event, my facts come from it.
"You are stupid John and you repeat lies and nonsense." - If that is what you truely believe, prove me wrong point for point on what I just stated, and please refrain from using liberal-pedia as your "source."
John wrat:
>>They were the instigators in Kosovo. The Albanian Muslims started invading into Kosovo and were killing Serbian police officers. It was only after this instigation that the Serbs began defending their homeland against the invading murderers.
Please link. Don't make claims like this and claim that the others have to disprove what you say.
The KLA did not start out as a terrorist group at all. They started out as peaceful resistance *after* Milosovech destroyed Albanian autonomy, shutting down "the only Albanian-language newspaper, Rilindja," and banning Albanian and radio and TV broadcasts.
link
We'll see.
After two years of an Obama presidency we'll see just how much the cons love America. It probably won't take that long before cons start blaming the president for every perceived woe that besets their lives. Luckily for you cons, we libs aren't stupid enough to make the argument that criticizing the president is the same as hating America.
I have no idea what Michele Obama initially meant by what she said, but it was very poorly worded nonetheless and any flak should be expected. Candidates and their wives need to be careful about every single word they speak.
If you want to know what she said, the full transcript was provided above by link.
As far as Hume and co is concerned, they will do anything to turn anything said into some us vs them crap. There is no poorly worded anything to what she said. I got it, and it wasn't just about the fact that she was proud that her husband could even be considered for president, it was about reverting back to discussions about common themes over mudslinging diatribe that has served as political discussion as of late.
Really Tommy, this was really a knee jerk response from you. Check the links provided and see if you still feel the same.
I heard exactly what she said, spare me the lecture Snoop. She said this was the first time in her "adult life", that is exactly what she said, what she meant is far less clear.
It's a non-issue for me, but since MMFA put it up here, commenting on it is why this section is here.
Well I'm not Tommy, and Michelle Obama was out of line in her comments. This double-backward somersault that Obama supporters are doing to defend her is laughable.
Her wacky comment cannot be explained away. She's a loose cannon.
And this isn't the first time that Michelle Obama has had a problem. A few weeks ago she said she'd have a heard time voting for Hillary Clinton (!) That's real nice..
Let's put it this way-- supposed Bill had made the same comment, or said this was the first time, etc... All HELL would have broken loose.
Oh, that's right. I forgot. The rules for them are different.
Double true Snoop, though I disagree with our bud Tommy I agree
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Oh Tommy, the irony, and your hypocracy . . .
You come to the defense of Limbaugh, and O'Reilly (people you've claimed to dislike), by telling us what you think they MEANT to say. But now that it's a Democrat, you state that you don't know what she meant, but you know what she said.
My I please use that line next time you're apologizing for some stupid right winger?
I know what she meant. She meant this was the first time in her adult life that she was really proud of America.
The first time.
....it all depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is....
Ooops, sorry for bringing back old memories.
I’m just listening to Pat Buchanan harping a bitc# about Mrs. Obamas comments on Tucker – his rant had me worrying he was gonna pop a blood vessel. This is like arguing the place of religion in politics with Republicans. You simply are NOT allowed to say anything negative about your country or you are a traitor. This is anchored into the whole conservative mindset, and goes further than just politics. You don’t disagree with your parents, family, church, or any of the other institutions that you worship (especially in public) – that’s just being a good conservative Republican.
We will always have these differences – and personally I like knowing this difference exists. It's an easy barometer. Raise the subject of something “patriotic” and you’ll have quite an easy time identifying the conservatives in conversation with strangers, a group at a party, or someone you have just met.
You can't REALLY be surprised by Tommy's reaction?
There is no poorly worded anything to what she said. I got it, and it wasn't just about the fact that she was proud that her husband could even be considered for president, it was about reverting back to discussions about common themes over mudslinging diatribe that has served as political discussion as of late.
Huh? Gosh I must have missed all that. Face it, Omarosa Obama has pulled back the curtains and exposed herself for what she really stands for.
Oh, smack...score one for Team McCain.
I thought you might have your 1st score,
when you bragged about words from mclames wh0re
but your priceless found scoop
contained nothing but poop
dropped by slxt number 2 on the floor!
Speaking of trolls. I haven't read anything by you, solon, related to this Obama situation. Are you simply trolling, or do you have something to bring to the discussion that is on topic?
You do realize this thread is about Mrs. Obama's racism, don't you? When you can bring something to the discussion besides insults, do it! I guess simply calling people moron or idiot only makes sense when you haven't enough smarts to actually offer an opinion ON TOPIC. Actually, reading many of your past posts, that is ALL you do, isn't it? Troll and insult posters. Glad to see the other posters have a true liberal to adulate.
"I did no whining. Standing up for principles isnt whining it is fighting the good fight."
You may call it the good fight, but I call it whining. Re-read ANY of your own posts (anyone can do this), tell me you don't whine like a 5 year old who just was told you got no toy trains for Christmas. If you truely believe what you say, you are truely a liberal; demanding/rude/self centered/non-compromising.
McCain Denies Romantic Link With Lobbyist
SCORE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you rejoicing in another man's misery? Hmm, I think I just got done saying that very same thing to solon. That your party of liberals are the party that loves misery.
Very Christian of you.
The post wasn't meant to be a response from a Christian perspective, moron. It was a post to point out the abject hypocracy of the Republican party. You dumbasses scream and yell about morals and values, but yours is the party that tends to have the most instances extra-marital affairs, child molestation and sexual harassment. Yours is the party which takes advantage of those who are less fortunate. Yours is the party which makes backroom deals to fatten your wallets at the expense of the poorer folks who do the hard work to make you more wealthy. Yours is the party that talks big about being righteous, but cannot live up to its definition. Yours is the party who believes it's fine to torture someone for information (that's more than likely false). Yours is the party of death - and it's really sick. Yours is the party which is morally bankrupt - but you turn a blind eye to it. It's obvious that people of your party don't care, because it CONTINUES to happen. The god of your party is MONEY and POWER, not the God of Abraham and Moses. And you have the balls to play the Christian card?
IMHO, one of these days, we will all have to answer to some higher power about the kind of life we lived on earth. How many of you right wing schmucks will be able to say that you are Christians - you know the ones who followed the exemplary life of Jesus Christ - and put his words and deeds into practice?
Lynn, you just said all of it.
Hearing the dis-likes of flag-scamming fascist racist theocratic chickenhawk white supremacist lemmings like The Lying Fascist Racist Chickenhawk White Supremacist Stranger lauding the equally fascist, racist, theocratic, flag-scamming chickenhawk white supremacist comments from the evil Republican Hate Hag Liar Cindy McCain only represents the fact that BOTH Republican Fascist Racist Theocratic White Supremacist Flag Scamming Hate Hag Cindy AND The Fascist Racist Flag-Scamming Theocratic White Supremacist Stranger continue to represent ongoing INDICTMENTS against the U.S. BOTH regard it as patriotic and "Christian" to hate black people.
Candidates and their wives need to be careful about every single word they speak.- tommy / Tuesday February 19, 2008 6:32:07 PM EST
Yeah remember when the media just wouldn't let go of that "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" remark or "My sons are serving this country by trying to get me elected"? I think they spent hours of roundtable discussions about what those misstatements would do for the campaigns of those who made them and wouldn't let go of the issue for months.
If by "hours" one means seconds and by "weeks" one means minutes.
I have no idea what Michelle Obama initially meant by what she said, but it was very poorly worded nonetheless and any flak should be expected. Candidates and their wives need to be careful about every single word they speak.
I knew what she meant, which is that this is the proudest moment of her life. The corporate conservative Republican Party controlled news media, flag-scamming chickenhawk fascist racist theocratic white supremacist Republican liars like Brit Hume, and chickenhawkette con fascist racist theocratic white supremacist hate hag Republican liars like Liar E.D. Hill are trying to make it into something else.
Flag-scamming fascist racist theocratic patriot-pretending white supremacists like Hume and Hill define hating black people and/or oppressing gays and/or being chickenhawk cheerleaders and/or giving corporations power over people as being patriotic. I define that as being oligarchic.
Looks like with have another Ter-eza Hines on our hands with Omarosa.
Solon,
he ain't gonna tell us what Omarosa means, is he? ;)
What's an "arch-liberal"? Is that a veiled reference to "arch-enemy"?
Hume's a tool.
I'm a Democrat.
I'm embarrassed by what passes for patriotism today.
Look at those who profess to be patriots.
Sean Frigging Hannity?
Rush Limbaugh?
Bill O'Reilly?
The twin shirkers, George W and Dick Cheney?
Patriots don't call themselves patriots. They're patriots becasue of their actions. (Not their inactions.)
Real patriots honor the constitution. They don't hide behind the flag
I'll admit it.
I'm a Democrat.
I'm embarrassed by what passes for patriotism today.
Look at those who profess to be patriots.
Sean Frigging Hannity?
Rush Limbaugh?
Bill O'Reilly?
The twin shirkers, George W and Dick Cheney?
Patriots don't call themselves patriots. They're patriots becasue of their actions. (Not their inactions.)
Real patriots honor the constitution. They don't hide behind the flag
Exactly. The dis-likes of Liar Sean Hannity, Liar Flush Drugbaugh, Liar Bill O'Lielly, Liar Dick Cheney, Liar Bush, and each and every one of the sorry excuses for people AND Americans who support these people are all a collection of flag-scammers, chickenhawk, hypocrites, and liars. They are also fascists, racists, theocrats, and white supremacists, and are also oligarchists. They represent ongoing INDICTMENTS against the U.S.
"Patriots don't call themselves patriots. They're patriots becasue of their actions. (Not their inactions.) "
I guess the democratic house/senate are not patriotic. At least by your standards, huh? What has a democrat done to show patriotism in the last year? At least Bush stands up to the dangers of terrorism, while democrats wimper in the corner trying to find blame for everything.
BTW, you gonna censor my remarks again, worrierking? Have you been studying up on origins?
I didn't know that I had the power to censor someone's posts. And if I did, it would be really boring here.
After all if anyone could censor someone's post, your "2 Rocks Theory" would have been pulled before I got a chance to read it and to completely understand it.
And your president, isn't standing up for terrorism. If he were, he'd have insisted that the job he started in Afghanistan was finished before he started a war with a country that wasn't a threat to us.
He invaded Iraq to settle an old score. It had nothing to do with fighting terrorism and everything to do with revenge.
I'll tell you what, Phil. I am a Democrat and I love my country, but I am not always proud of it. I will stand up and protest every time I see my country not follow the rules of law that have made this country great.
We were seen as a peace-loving country for centuries. We had the sympathy and goodwill of the entire world after 9/11 and what have we done with it? I will always stand up for equal rights and peace even if my country strays away. I will support the troops by looking out for their safety and health by voting for individuals who put their care above putting them in danger because they are willing to give the ultimate sacrifice. When our government is not taking care of its own people, I will protest. When our government runs up such a huge deficit that future generations and I will have to pay back and not the generation in power, I will protest. When our country loses its way, I will be strong enough to challenge it.
I think of my country the way I think of my family members. If one of them is going down the wrong path, I love them enough to say something. I won't ever blindly follow or let a family member lead him or herself to ruin. That is not what a good family member does. I will never blindly follow this country's whims and neither should anyone on either side of the aisle.
I love my country, but I'm not always proud of it.
Dems are not so much embarrassed by patriotism as scared of it. Fascist regimes in recent history have shown what brainwashing under the guise of patriotism has done to the masses.
Look up Patriotism on Wikipedia and near the bottom of the page you will see two interesting surveys of the “most patriotic” nations in the world. In both surveys (1996-1997 and 1990-1992) take notice of which country is at the bottom 2 of the list. GERMANY – Coincidence?
Clevenative
>>Look up Patriotism on Wikipedia and near the bottom of the page you will see two interesting surveys of the “most patriotic” nations in the world. In both surveys (1996-1997 and 1990-1992) take notice of which country is at the bottom 2 of the list. GERMANY – Coincidence?
Ha! I knew it! I lived a year in Germany, and when I brought up how Germany was unpatritioic, others pointed out how they saw German fans at a soccer game with German flags on their T-Shirts, etc. Yes, German are unpatriotic, and it is because of WWII. The current generation still feels guilt for that. By the way, it was the German playwright Bertolt Brecht, one of the most influential of the 20th century, who wrote that losses in war were good for the *people* of the country; victories were good for the leaders. Germany has one of the highest standards of living, and one of the highest voting rates as well. The politicians don't want around wearing a f**ing flag; they actually do things to make their country better.
Did you notice who was near the top of the list? USA – I would think that a psychologist would say that the ideal position would be somewhere near the middle. This “we are the greatest” notion that Americans are expected to buy into – or be labeled as traitors – is simply “not healthy”. Try to convince a wingnut of that!
you guys hate the president, hate the military, hate the flag, and somehow you are supposed to be considered patriots. i must be missing something.
Nazi's were pretty patriotic too
Stop wiping your a$$ with the Constitution...and read a history book, or change your moniker
as a history scholar I'd imagine you were horrified by that decision that came, of course, without comment
when the political parties name the judges they can name the laws and we all know where that leads...well, at least us history buffs do?
don't we?
denial of certiorari is not a decision on the merits, and it is not unusual to deny cert without any discussion. i'm not certain the supremes ever discuss why they turn a case away, but i could be wrong. there are several grounds on which the court may deny cert and they don't have to provide an explanation.
As for picking the justices, there are four liberal justices on the court, and only four votes are needed to grant cert. so if they thought there was a justiciable matter before them, breyer, ginsburg, souter, and stevens could have seen that the case got a hearing.
my guess is that the plaintiffs were unable to make a case that anyone had their rights violated and so determined the matter was moot.
Because talking about the supreme court is much less antagonistic than talking about - oh, say cross dressing republicans and republicans that get arrested for kiddie porn? ;)
My outside voice again, dang!
My outside voice again, dang!
I love that outside voice. ;-)
Hi pearl! I lost my link somehow, but this is what I tried to "add" to the conversation!
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/02/19/more-republican-follies-bushs-crossdressing-judge-kiddie-porn/
“He had a difficult time locating his license in his purse. He passed over it multiple times before removing it,” officer Paul J. Thompson wrote in his report. Other than the gay press, no one mentioned the black evening gown and fishnet stockings
LOL
Snoop that was too funny!
Seriously, Charles Barkley said it best when he called Republicans/conservatives "fake Christians".
And I think these Christians -- first of all, they're supposed to be -- they're not supposed to judge other people, but they're the most hypocritical judge of people we have in this country. And it bugs the hell out of me that they act like they're Christians, and they're not forgiving at all.
Four LIBERAL judges? You are out of your mind. Four who arent raving rightwing lunatics four liberals is an insane assertion. Here is a clue. You are not a liberal because you are to the left of Atilla the Hun
well, this is just great. I knew it would happen. In a response earlier, I happened to mention the Supreme Court and the denial of cert on the case concerning wireless wiretaps. Then a poster complained that there was no explanation by the justices, and implied that because the republicans got to put a few justices on the court, it was to be expected. so I gave an explanation of the certiorari process and noted that it only takes four justices to grant certiorari, and yet, the aclu was not able to convince even four of the nine to hear the case, and there are four very liberal judges on the court who could have voted to hear the case, but they did not.
you people are so hateful and blind to reality, there is not talking to you. how choice.
You are free to take your inanity elsewhere if you feel your time is wasted here.
Actually, please do.
The fact that you started with this nugget:
you guys hate the president, hate the military, hate the flag, and somehow you are supposed to be considered patriots. i must be missing something.
...says a LOT about you.
You won't be missed.
i would be sorely missed.
As much as a cold sore.
Go away and three more will appear out of nowhere within a week.
Egg-zackly.
All saying the exact same things, with an identical level of intelligence. I'm starting to doubt that we actually have different trolls. I'm fairly certain it's just the same wingnut sockpuppeting all over MMFA. They all sound alike. And when one disappears, another pops up in his place.
It's like whack-a-troll around here.
Such is the hive-mind of the American conservative movement.
Well, let's see here. 1st, we hear all the time that the ACLU is a bunch of left wing liberals.
now the case. You say the ACLU (a bunch of left wing liberals) couldn't convince 4 SC justices (who you are saying are left wing liberals) to let the case go forward.
And that proves what? That liberals don't stick together? Or they do, and the court really doesn't have 4 left wing liberals on the bench?
Kinda reaching, maybe?
There are NOT four verly liberal judges on the Supreme
1...(Stephen Breyer) + 2 (John Paul Stevens) + 3 (David Souter) 4 (Ruth Buzzy Ginsberg)=4
One of these things is not like the other,
which one is it, do you know?
One of these things is not like the other,
Tell me and I'll tell you if it's so!
Doesn't mean a thing as to the legality of the warrantless surveillance program. The ruling in question was about whether those bringing suit had standing to do so and this is where things get nice and Kafka-esque on us. (Have your mom Wiki that for you Histy.)
In order to have standing one would have to be able to prove that they were targetted by the warrantless surveillance program. In order to know that one would have to have access to records that are classified (if they were kept at all).
It is perfectly reasonable for the government to say that it doesn't want to release a record of the program. If it was really being used solely against actual terrorist suspects that would be a dangerous record to open. Conversely it is also reasonable to believe that the program was not used in the way that the government claims it was and that if asked the administration would lie in order to protect themselves.
So, it is in the best interest of those who run the program to keep secret the names of those who were surveilled and lie if an inappropriate target claims they were spyed on under it. But the government is the only witness that can prove the standing or lack of of any petitioner before the court.
There is nothing the Supreme Court can do to change this case, it was right for them to deny it a hearing, but that gives no legal opinion at all over the overall legality of the program.
You repeat all of the slime from Limbaugh and the others. You try to imply that we're traitors, while you claim to be a patriot.
I'm tired of not being allowed to speak my mind without being called unpatriotic.
You, of all people, should know better.
I used to respect you.
Now, you just troll.
first of all, you are unpatriotic.
second, you never respected me.
you are basically a false individual.
I'm done with you.
Apparently, HSTYBUF gets to decide for all of us who is and isn't patriotic. How convenient.
If only I gave a damn what he thinks.
This is my country, troll. Your kind aren't welcome here. Return to the theocratic dictatorship from whence thou came. I hear Iran will take you.
But HistoryBuff lives in secular-nazi Los Angeles next to all those Godless celebrities. I would think that counts for something.
Interesting, if sad, tid-bit about LA. The youth of LA have a higher rate of PTSD than kids of similar age in Baghdad.
Hear, hear!
I don't know what you look like, Lynn, but you're one beautiful lady in my mind.
Historybuff wrote:
>>you guys hate the president, hate the military, hate the flag, and somehow you are supposed to be considered patriots.
But a few days ago, this racist wrote about Florida going Democratic:
>>you got it totally wrong. too many of the brown people moving in and
messing up the demographics. the right-minded people are being
overwhelmed with the influx of those mindless democrats.
So I guess being a racist means being patriotic to you?
History buff wrat:
>>you know, i was writing about orange county, california. not orange county, fla. sorry for the confusion.
Yes, you are the racist, aren't you. Do you have any argument at all? Do you have any dignity at all?
FMP wrat:
>>Yes, you are the racist, aren't you. Do you have any argument at all? Do you have any dignity at all?
Historybuff schrieb:
>>nope.
Is that code for "I'm a troll?"
Nothing coded about it.
'Tis the very definition of the word. He has nothing to say, nothing to contribute, verily nothing remarkable at all. He is a slogan, a bumper sticker, a t-shirt, a "funny" nickname. He has no scruples or shame. Indeed, he is barely human.
Jackasses like him have been around as long as people have been discussing things on the Internet.
HSTYBUF is here solely to get a rise out of the decent posters. Unfortunately, it works sometimes.
You guys HATE America, HATE reality, HATE facts, HATE the poor HATE humanity, Hate truth, and just flat are hateful and you expect to be considered decent human beings?
...beyond parody
You guys HATE America, HATE reality, HATE facts, HATE the poor HATE humanity, Hate truth, and just flat are hateful and you expect to be considered decent human beings?
...beyond parody
Yet all of those are truths, and trmendous indictments against you and the other lying cons.
You cons are also chickenhawks, hypocrities, fascists, racists, theocrats, oligarchists, sociopaths, and white supremacists, too.
I hate the president; conservatives hate the military; and only a few people outside of the Confederate crowd hate the American flag.
- loonz
Conservatives are flag-scamming cowardly chickenhawks and liars, and so is the p-resident.
The fascist racist white supremacist confederate flag lovers hate the American flag, they regard racism and white supremacy to be "patriotic." Racist HistoryBlob likely uses the phrase "...we hate black people" in his racist white supremacist rendition of the Pledge of Allegiance.
Cons are not patriots, they are lying fascist oligarchic chikcnhawk lemmings.
Liar Hsty's hateful fascist lying words:
"you guys hate the president, hate the military, hate the flag, and somehow you are supposed to be considered patriots. i must be missing something."
Liar Hsty, your p-resident is a sociopathicflag-scamming chickenhawk depraved liar, and your vice-President is a flag scamming 5 defermitt chickenhawk liar, and so is the dislikes of Flush "Anal Cyst" Drugbaugh, Karl "Multiple College Defermits" Rove, Liar Sean "I refused to join the military in Desert Storm" Hannity, Liar Tom "too many blacks took all the spots so I had to stay home" Delay, as are 99.9% of the people who support them, are a collection of loudmouth flag-scamming fascist racist theocratic chikcenhawk con liars who believe that OTHER people than themselves and their chickenhawk con lying like-minded ilk should be exempt from military service.
Also, the dis-likes of the lying fascist racist con white supremacists waved the American flag during lynchings in the early 20th Century, and racist white supremacists wave the flag when they say it is patriotic to hate black people, and super-patriot racists show their strongest display of racism and white supremacy when they wave the flag! Racist Bush once allegedly called the civil rights movement socialist when he was at Yale, and Racist Bush 41 campaigned against the passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act when Bush 41 was the 1964 Republican Candidate for the U.S. Senate in Texas.
Fascist racist theocratic chickenhawk con white supremacist demagouges like yourself who seek to use the flag to define fascism, racism, theocracy, and white supremacy to be either "patriotic" or "American" reveal yourselves to be both demagouges and scoundrels.
"...i must be missing something."- hstybuf6553
Critical thinking skills?
Frontal lobe?
A point?
Credibility?
Rudimentary reading comprehension?
the boat?
What everybody else here knew quite a while ago(that you're missing something)?
"you guys hate the president..."
Yes, based on his performance primarily. I don't remember all the conservatives who hated Clinton so much chastising each other for being unpatriotic.
"...hate the military..."
No. The military is necessary, and they should be used only when necessary, not dying for a political experiment.
"...hate the flag..."
Failure to wrap myself up in it doesn't constitute hatred of it.
"...and somehow you are supposed to be considered patriots. i must be missing something."
Because we want our country to be prosperous, principled and an example for other nations to follow. When you get out of middle school you start to realize that being the best is more than just getting your way and being able to pick on those smaller and weaker than you.
I think we all know what you've been missing for a while now.
Does patriotism mean anything?
Good things should be supported. Bad things should be stopped. "Patriotism" adds nothing to those obvious statements.
Steve scrieb:
>>Does patriotism mean anything?
>>Good things should be supported. Bad things should be stopped. "Patriotism" adds nothing to those obvious statements.
You need a lesson in logic, Steve. Patriotism is good because it is good to love your country. And why is it good to love your country? Because it is patriotic!
Good is good because it is good. It is really simple.
But seriously yes, patriotism really adds nothing to a discussion, for the reason you point out. For example, evirornmentalists can claim to be more patriotic than those who are not because they value the land; and contrariwise, non-environmentaists can claim to be more patriotic because the American value of capitalism. What does evoking the term patriotism really add to the discussion? It just gets in the way and promotes fuzzy thinking.
Writer instructors never tolerate cliches because they stop thinking rather than promote it. And patriotism has to be the mother of all cliches.
That is the point. Its how propaganda works. Get the simpleminded all worked up about emotionally charged but vapid phrases. Demonize the other side as Buffy the moron so arrogantly and ignorantly did. Is anything meaningful being said about any policy decisions by questioning someones patriotism? Of course not and AVOIDING exactly that is the agenda. Why dont we accuse morons like Buffy of hating the people of Kansas its the same meaningless diversionary tactic.
Exactly.
Steve's logical postulate showed the problems with patriotism is a simple, powerful way I had never seen before. Patriotism is logically superflous, the same way God is when trying to explain the complexity of the universe. (If the universe needs an explanation, so does God; theists just create one mystery to explain another.) If you want to defend patriotism, you are going to have to explain it in Steve's terms, pointing out what is good in it, and why it is good. But once you do that, you don't need patriotism. You can simply say I believe in X without evoking patriotism.
Yes, it means you’re willing to blindly fall in line. If you don’t, it means you HATE – just ask HSTYBUFF.
I have always been skeptical of anyone or anything that tries to get me to toe their line – and the older I get the more skeptical I become. There aren’t many people I trust – and surely no political or corporate entity that I feel has my best interests at heart – including, or especially, the government (and even the Democratic Party). Most decisions in my life have involved picking the lesser of two evils, which is an honest way of explaining my support of the Democratic ideology.
Nothing is perfect in this world – nothing is perfect in America – and I’m not going to throw a phony patriotism into the faces of others. I find it insulting to my intelligence to insist I wave the flag, as well as insulting to the intelligence of all those who I might expose to such a phony patriotism. If someone doesn’t like my honesty, that is their problem – but don’t accuse me of hating my country just because I don’t wear the flag on my sleeve (I’d say lapel, but you’d never see me in a suit – I find “them” uncomfortable.:).
Hey racist! Playing the comedian now?
historybuff wrote:
>>ou got it totally wrong. too many of the brown people moving in and
messing up the demographics. the right-minded people are being
overwhelmed with the influx of those mindless democrats.
* - hstybuf6553 / Thursday February 14, 2008 7:05:30 PM EST
You probably couldn't see a horse standing in front of you and you'd think an ass could recognize one.
Yah see Hissy Clev is showing some class, something nobody here would accuse you of. However many mega bucks you got, its not something buyable.
you know, i used to play polo before i broke my arm in a scrimmage and moved away from the stables.
Historybuff wrat:
>>you know, i used to play polo before i broke my arm in a scrimmage and moved away from the stables.
You are a troll, aren't you?
Eweston: Thanks for the kind words. I enjoy baiting HYSTY wayyyy more than he enjoys poking at me - simply because I know that every response he makes will just add weight to the “selfish” “snobbish” labels of ” elite” wealthy “Christian” Republicans. His drivel is here for all to see – you gotta love it.
Histroybuff escribier:
>>holy moley, buddy, I'm Jewish.
And a flagrant racist.
Historybuff wrat:
>>heck, i never denied that, did I?
Yes, as a matter of fact, you did. You tried to rationalize your racism in a post you posted about 15 minutes ago. I guess you are full of so much stupidity you can't even keep up with yourself.
holy moley, buddy, I'm Jewish.
- hstybuf6553
Yet despite that, you are STILL a racist, and you are also a white supremacist!
I challenge you to repeat your racist white supremacist Omarosa insult on any black talk radio station, and then I can enjoy hearing either "The Black Eagle" Joe Madison of XM 169/THE POWER or Clifford Kelley of WVON-Am 1690 http://www.wvon.com verbally barbecue you like a steak! Excuse me while I get the A-1 sauce!
"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."
While it was nice of MMFA to leave a link to the video & transcript, I'm not sure why they didn't at least include the quote in their article.
That said , I was tad fuzzy on what exactly she meant when I first heard this, primarily by her saying: And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country.
One could easily take that as her lack of any pride in her country till now. Or that while she has always been proud of her country, she is especially proud now.
I think she meant the latter.
What a shame some folks, like Hume & others are trying to blow this out of proportion
Bullseye Jeter!
Sometimes words are said to mean something and sometimes something is made of words that are said.
Jeter, I have become used to this kind of theocratic flag-scamming fascist racist white supremacist lying nonsense from the flag-scamming fascist chickenhawk racist white supremacist lying right.
The dis-likes of right wing racist white supremacists like Brit Hume and Racist White Supremacist Flag Scamming Hate Hag E.D. Hill are only unique in the fact that they did it first.
I'm embarrassed by George W. Bush, along with Republican machinations over about the past 14 years. Yes, embarrassed... And when I meet people from foreign countries I try to make it clear to them that not all Americans are like George W. Bush and the Republicans. Unfortunately, in the Republican realm of dishonesty and alternate realities, my embarrassment would be twisted and called being unpatriotic. Bullsheit...!
Michelle Obama said that for the first time in her adult life she was really proud to be an American. She never said she wasn't ever proud of being an American...only that at this point in history where we have a chance to turn things around that she is excited and really proud. As they always do, however, Republicans are attempting to twist what she said to give it another meaning. Oh, yea...and they're playing that old patriotism card again. Bullsheit...!
I love how we have to speak on eggshells but righties like Coulter can call people Figs on cable news shows
gotta love the fairness in that doctrine
"There is this feeling..."
Another variant of the old Fixed Noise classic, "people are saying."
When there is no data or source to support your "journalistic" position, simply use a vague reference and invent the data or source on the spot. Bingo! Instant agenda forwarding without the worries of sourcing!
Edenscape wrat:
>>let me also add that your last line reveals you to be a racist piece of
Yes. See my post below. It is not the first time.
Historybuff wrat:
>> and yet, and yet, she has not affinity for the country that gave her all the opportunities it can give to a nappy headed ho.
And eariier the same racist wrat:
>>you got it totally wrong. too many of the brown people moving in and
messing up the demographics. the right-minded people are being
overwhelmed with the influx of those mindless democrats.
* - hstybuf6553 / Thursday February 14, 2008 7:05:30 PM EST
I guess when you have no argument, and no dignity, you resort to racism.
how did you get past mommy's parental block again?
Histroybuff wrat:
>>you may call it a rant, but i call it reality.
No. I didn't call it a rant. And I love the "reality" line of reasoning. Hey, historybuff, you might think gravity works, but it doesn't. Object don't fall to earth. That's reality. You see how stupid that argument is?
What is reality, based on your own quotes, is that you are a racist. Like I said, when you can't win an argument, and you have no dignity what-so-ever, you resort to racism.
how else do you explain that orange county california is no longer a conservative bastion. because it's full of brown people, that's why. it's not racism, it's demographics.
the brown folk, like the black folk, and the jew folk, just love democrats. they don't do anything for them, but they love them.
kinda like montgomery cliff in from here to eternity. donna reed says you must hate the army. he says, no i love the army. just cuz you love something, doesn't mean it's gotta love you back.
dems hate the browns, the blacks, and the jews. otherwise they'd allow things like vouchers for education. otherwise they wouldn't cotton to moveon.org and the ism which hates israel.
Histrorybuff wrat:
>>how else do you explain that orange county california is no longer a conservative bastion. because it's full of brown people, that's why. it's not racism, it's demographics.
Wow! Like all racists, you don't even see your won racism. Or you are just playing the troll. Here are your words again:
>> and yet, and yet, she has not affinity for the country that gave her all the opportunities it can give to a nappy headed ho.
And eariier the same racist wrat:
>>you got it totally wrong. too many of the brown people moving in and
messing up the demographics. the right-minded people are being
overwhelmed with the influx of those mindless democrats.
* - hstybuf6553 / Thursday February 14, 2008 7:05:30 PM EST
I really couldn't care less how you try to rationalize them. Such rationalizations might work for Rush's fans, but we're a little smarter.
Oh, and how's your inquiry into science going? Do you still think I have a "sick mind" because I believe what virtually all scientists believe? Or are you just playing the troll here?
He'll be back next week with a new screen name and a new fake persona that will slowly come undone through his own words. Then he'll vanish and do it again.
People like Histy are just like Ann Coulter, they don't believe a word they say they just know it gets them attention.
"you may call it a rant, but i call it reality."
That you are a racist white supremacist who hates black people, unless they are self-hating anti-black flag-waving sellout Negroes like Larry "I Hate Black People More Than My Racist White Fan Base" Elder?
Speaking of Larry Elder, "The Black Eagle" Joe Madison of the national black talk radio network XM 169/THE POWER, and Madison is a REAL black man AND a REAL black talk radio host, UNLIKE Elder, said about Elder, "If there is a definition of Uncle Tom written in the dictionary, Larry Elder's picture is right beside it!" Madison also said that he is 100% AGAINST John McCain, and Madison WILL vote AGAINST McCain in November.
HSTYBUF: I can tell by your “mood” in here tonight that this one really has you near the edge. Pat Buchanan’s rage on TV tonight should have been a hint to me that you’d be in rare form. You’re making way too much of Mrs. Obama’s comments than she meant. I really think you know that, but it is built into your brain to play the Faux News pundit.
Let me try to make an analogy that might help you to understand: “for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country”. I’m not sure how deep your brainwashing is – or when it began, but think back to your childhood. Is there perhaps someone who you admired as a child (a parent, an uncle, aunt, etc.), who after you became of age and old enough to think for yourself and see the “big picture” you lost a bit of your admiration for them? I imagine there is a similar analogy to draw from Mrs. Obama’s comments on her feelings of pride for her country (patriotism).
Your demeaning racist comments that seem to be sparked by her admission are a prime example of the REAL you – and my guess is the REAL underbelly of many Republicans. You are the perfect example of why I am not always proud to be an American. I know this will probably never sink in, but it is as plain as the drivel that drools from your wrinkly lips.
!st, as Jeter pointed out, your context is most likely wrong. 2nd, depends aren't just something really old people wear in place of underwear. If I spent my whole adult life being a 2nd class citizen, never knowing what a good education could buy, would I be proud of where I live, what I can give back to my country or family?
Just an example, btw. That would be an opposite extreme to what you are suggesting.
I would say that people who have been so opressed that they have never taken pride in their country are not patriotic; perhaps they are JUSTIFIABLY unpatriotic, but still unpatriotic nonetheless.
Patriotism, like I said, requires a whole lot of dissent and a little bid of pride. If one or the other is missing you are not patriotic. The woman who says that she has never been proud of her country in her adult life is just as unpatriotic as the flag waver at the Lee Greenwood concert who has never criticized his country's policies in his adult life.
The woman who says that she has never been proud of her country in her adult life is just as unpatriotic as the flag waver at the Lee Greenwood concert who has never criticized his country's policies in his adult life.
THE WOMAN SAID:
"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."
Nothing like a little thing like facts. She never said she wasn't proud, she said SHE WAS REALLY PROUD!
You are the one reaching. Now you want to be tommy #2 and word parse the word "really"? As an adult, what was she supposed to be really proud of before now? That she made megabucks a year working for a lawfirm as others around her whispered that she got the job because of her color? That she was a lucky black girl growing up? What is it?
I threw out a lot of extreme examples, BTW. I am in no position to say this is true, perhaps you can call me one of those guilty white people. But I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to realize that despite personal achievement it takes x times more effort to achieve against the established "norm".
So Snoopy then you're saying that in Michelle Obama's adult life (I don't know, let's say that spans from 1982-before the Obama wave, when she became proud of her country) there was nothing that she should have been proud of in her country? Despite the possible instances of institutionalized and/or personal racism that she faced, are you arguing that there was nothing she should have been really proud of in her country? Why aren't you courageous enough to address this point head on?
I have been addressing it head on, you seem to want and duck and weave around the issue. It's pretty clear to me she is talking from a political point of view.
But hey, let's take this a step farther. Let's talk about homosexuality. They've contributed a lot, but can't serve in the military if "outed". Should they be proud of America?
How about the american indians. They were confined to reservations, every treaty the government ever made with them was broken, they have crummy school systems, had christianity shoved down their throats against their will, and still face descrimination. Should they be proud of America?
How's that for head on, I/O? Care to get into a real discussion now?
Interesting, this country enslaved black people, called black people 3/5 of human beings, segregated us into Jim Crow Laws, and Dr. Claude Anderson, the black economic/political author of Powernomics http://www.powernomics.com can tell you about how the U.S. racist white supremacist views of integration intended to steer blacks away from being educationally equal to whites, how racist "super-patriot" whites waved the flag while they lynched blacks early in the 20th Century, you will see why blacks have no pride in America, but rather, that many blacks HATE America because America AND its people HATE them and see them as inferior. America also STILL refuses to call white supremacist groups domestic terrorist organizations.
Michelle Obama's comments were specific to this present time and circumstance of her husband's campaign, contrary to what right wing conservative flag-scamming super-patriot-pretender chickenhawk racist white supremacists like Philb, HistoryBlob, and others like them are saying.
Also, black talk radio, along with black talk radio hosts like Joe Madison, Warren Ballantine, Clifford Kelley, Bev Smith, and Salim Muwakill, and 100% of the black talk radio callers, AGREE with Mrs. Obama, and black talk radio and all of black talk radio callers condemn the U.S.' arrogance and racism and imperialist sociopathic tendencies. Black talk radio has also denounced super-patriot self-hating black Negroes who love the U.S. as being sellouts and as traitors to black people.
Reading comprehension can be defined as the level of understanding of a passage or text.
Next time try reading the paragraph slowly and then take a moment or two or three or four and think, really think about what you've read.
Pearlene, why are you reciting me lines from your Hooked on Phonics CD?
No way honey, you seem to have problems understanding what you were reading so I was just trying to be helpful. Like I said no rush, you take as long as you need to comprehend what you've read, OK.
Sarcasm aside, read the entire paragraph, again. It's really not hard to comprehend. Well, I should say it's not hard for folks with common sense. I forgot you are special.
By the way, good luck with your studying and don't stay up too late. I'm sure you'll be reading and comprehending like the adults real soon. Bye Bye
Each and every person can choose to get something something different from what Michelle Obama said but he is a paragraph from an article that sums it up pretty well IMO:
I understand – like many other Americans who heard her – that Michelle's comments about being truly proud of her country for the first time contained a twofold truth:
1) That she was proud that her nation had shown itself willing to vote for a black man for President, with large numbers of whites supporting him.
2) That she was proud that people are energized about politics again in a way that no-one has seen since the 1960s.
This is not complicated stuff. What we need to talk about in this country is not Michelle Obama's comments, but rather how people are soften and "filter" important elements of our political discourse when race and gender are at issue.
For further understanding, the complete article: http://www.theroot.com/id/44921
Racist white supremacists like HistoryBlob are culturally conditioned to see white people as superior, and to see black people and/or Latinos and/or Asians as being inferior, and the manifestation is his belief in racism and white supremacy, a fact that black talk radio host Joe Madison talks about regularly on his radio show.
HistoryBlob is a right wing racist white supremacist, and a sociopath, who believes staunchly in racial segregation and the racial extermination of non-whites.
And the dittoheads seem to really be losing that thin veneer of rationality they put on when they first come here.
Something in the air, I guess. I have to enjoy one thing a bit, that I originally linked to the item in the OCWeekly about my notoriously Reagan-Zombie county feeling a sea-change away from its reliably repooplicken past.
I think that may have been a tough one for Hissybuff, who has made a lame attempt at portraying himself as an LA lawyer and VietNam vet, but who I think everybody figured pretty early on in his clown show is probably an unemployed high school dropout from Anaheim Hills taking breaks from his Wii posting here.
I love watching the humiliating descent of the troll of the week.
Ah, the proud chickenhawk!
Isn't it odd that all of those terrible military-demeaning Democrats named "... it is the democrat party that has people that jump at the chance to demean our military, ala Murtha, Kerry, Kennedy." served honorably?
Democrats are simply disgusted by the phony displays of feaux patriotism (intended to obscure fascism, treachery and treason) loudly proclaimed by traitors with the intent of demeaning those who actually act with true patriotism - adherence to the Constitution and love of (rather than lip service to) the Bill of Rights and democracy.
But you and the other Fox Fascists know that, don't you Brit?
The insight that Hume made is this tendency is for democrats to be embarrassed by patriotism. Beyond that, I believe it has to with a view that pride in this country and its exceptionalism as anathema to the ideals of leftists.
As I perused the posting here, NO ONE from the left side of the isle had anything positive to say about what made them proud about this country. Instead it was filled with vitriol and hatred about Bush, our history and what we can offer to the rest of the world. It was nothing but negative.
I admit that I love to tweak the 'handles' of fellow posters, calling people liberals/leftists/progressive/communists and dropping the 'ic' from a certain party just to get a rise out of people but I never demonstrated the hate and loathing that you can read in these postings. The negativity drips from your keyboards to the page and I wonder how and why so many people need to be so unhappy.
So I will ask someone to tell me what makes them feel patriotic or proud about this country and prove Mr. Hume wrong?
American foreign policy in the Middle East, for example, is not something that we should be proud of. It is a foreign policy that has cost millions of lives and consistently disrupted other Middle Eastern countries since we overthrew the democratic government in Iran in 1953. There are countless examples of other travesties, from South America to, Cambodia to East Timor, which many “patriots” are ignorant of and have done nothing to correct. Who is the true patriot? The true patriot is one who recognizes, acknowledges and corrects the mistakes. The citizen who believes that the American government never makes mistakes is a buffoon not a patriot.
Being loyal to a country does not mean that tacit approval is given to everything that the government does. Governments are inevitably fallible and should always be scrutinized and criticized with the democratic eye of its citizens. That Michelle Obama found first time pride in America on the campaign trail should not come as a surprise to any thoughtful person aware of America’s history of racism and bigotry. Brit Hume asserts that liberals or democrats "are kind of embarrassed by patriotism". It is not patriotism that is embarrassing to any discerning citizen it is the misdeeds of the government that are embarrassing and it is the responsibility of every loyal citizen to say so. What Brit Hume, E.D. Hill and others of their ilk want is blind, unquestioning servility to their ideology not patriotism.
It has been nearly 7 hrs since my post asking if anyone could refute Mr. Hume's contention that their is a lack of pride for America from the left. No one from the left has stepped forward to demonstrate anything that would show that this country has accomplished any good during Mrs. Obama's adulthood. or even before then. Call yourself anything you want, but don't besmurch patriotism or pride in country by spewing the hateful things you believe and attempt to call it love for this great land.
Please, is it even possible for anyone on the left to be thankful for anything offered here in the US without attaching hate?
Loudcon, does it ever occur to you that those waving the biggest flags and professing their love for and pride in a country might be mostly as full of sh/t as you?
Or that some people might be too busy trying to make things better to sit around having "who's proudest" contests?
Does it ever occur to you that you're trying to challenge people to brag about being full of what you Christians have determined is one of the 7 deadly sins? It's right there in your screen name, you thick zombie.
I dont DO requests
Again ProudMoron WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? The patriotism police? We dont OWE you anything. We dont have to pass any sort of test YOU think YOU are qualified to give us. You would have done real well in Nazi Germany runing around asking why people werent saying Hiel Hitler loud enough. You are not more American than us just stupider by far. No one put YOU on a pedestal and told you that it was your obligation to judge us or our love of country. YOU arent qualifed. You are just an ignorant poster who THINKS we all owe you something. Who THINKS he is better than us because you are too stupid to understand the concepts being discussed. I dont have anything to prove to you or anyone else. Get off your high horse, your piestic stupidity is pathetic
Loudmouth Chickenhawk Con, you, along with the Chickenhawk Con Liar Brit Hume, Chickenhawk Con Hate Hag Liar E.D. Hill, and the rest of the chickenhawk cons all wrap yourselves in flags and pull off your bogus super-patriot TALK, while you all do your chickenhawk calls of telling OTHER people to fight wars while you all flag-scam and lie! You people aren't patriots, you're demagouges, you're flag scammers, you're cowrads, and you're liars. Add it all together, you all, Hume included, are hideous evil flag-scamming lying scoundrels.
Has Chickenhawk Con Liar Brit Hume ever served in the military? I doubt it. The chickenhawk con liar probably feigned an injury and/or defermitted himself. Also, the chickenhawk con liar Hume likely endorses Bush's and the Republicans' severe cuts in Veterans' benefits in their budgets, just as you endorse those cuts also, Loudmouth Chickenhawk Con. Chickenhawk Con Liars like Hume have no right and no authority to be lecturing anybody on patriotism because he's a flag-scamming chickenhawk. Liar Brit Hume should go somewhere, sit down, and shut up! Same goes for Hate Hag Chickenhawkette E.D. Hill! Same goes for ALL of the flag-scamming chickenhawk con liars!
Also, ANOTHER chickenhawk con liar, Chickenhawk Con Liar Tom Delay, said outside the doors of the 1988 Republican National Convention in New Orleans, that he said that he was unable to join the military and fight in Vietnam because "...blacks and Hispanics from the inner cities took all the spots from him and the other so-called "patriotic" conservatives." But in YOUR eyes, Loudmouth Chickenhawk Con, Liar Tom Delay's a hero for blaming blacks and Hispanics for his cowardly chickenhawk conservative act of avoiding going to Vietnam. Now no black person is going to show pride in a country when racist white supremacist chickenhawks like Delay use racist white supremacist lines about blacks and Hispanics taking all the spots from him and other flag-scamming chickenhawk conservatives like himself. In that case, Racist Delay, all African-Americans and Hispanics should leave the armed forces, for they should not die to protect racist white supremacist chickenhaws like yourself.
We don't hate this country, we hate the flag-scamming chickenhawk con-artist-servative demagougic lying politicians like Liar Bush, Liar Dick 5 Defermits Cheney, Liar John Chickenhawk Boehnner, Liar Mitch Chickenhawk McConnell who run it, we hate loudmouth chickenhawk con demagougic flag-scamming liars like Liar Flush Anal Cyst Drugbaugh and Liar Sean "I avoided Desert Storm, but I'm a good chickenhawk" Hannity who cheerlead for them, and speaking for myself, I also hate the hoards of flag-scamming chickenhawk conservative demagougic toxic cowardly liars of this country who support flag-scamming sociopathic chickenhawk con liars like Liar Bush and Liar Cheney.
Flag-scamming chickenhawk con-artist-servative liars who love to cheer for war as long as they and their flag-scamming chickenhawk con-artist-servative liars can stay home and cheerlead (Liar Sean Hannity, Liar Flush Drugbaugh, Philb, Proud Con-Artist-Servative, Liar Ann Coulter, Mitt Romney and his 5 Chickenhawk Sons, Karl Rove, Dick 5 Defermits Cheney, Racist Chickenhawk Tom Delay, Chickenhawk Con Tucker Carlson, Chickenhawk Con Brit Hume, Chickenhawk Hate Hag E.D. Hill, etc.), pretend to support the troops, while they support flag-scamming chickenhawk Republicans who slash funds for veterans' benefits and endorse crummy conditions at Walter Reed Hospital, and some of these chickenhawks actually advocate these cuts and/or depolrable conditions themselves.
These flag-scamming chikcenhawks also regard racism and white supremacy to be elements of their demagougic scoundrel-like definitions of patriotism, as they regard it as patriotic to hate black people, and they stand with racist white supremacists who would shoot down black veterans of war in the name of white supremacy, and/or want to bring back the days of making even black Iraqi war veterans have to sit in the "whites only" sections of restaurants. Some of these flag-scamming chickenhawks also desire to silence black talk radio, and the dis-likes of self-hating flag-scamming Negroes like Larry Elder and/or Casey Lartique are often paid by white conservative foundations to trash black talk radio and/or black radio hosts like Joe Madison.
1. Bush and the Republicans are the paryt that refuses to do interviews with the black newspapers and the black magazines. McCain will likely refuse interviews with the black press also.
2. Bush and the Republicans are the party that rejects invitations to appear on black talk radio stations on black talk radio programs. McCain will likely reject invitations to appear on black talk radio as well.
3. Bush and the Republicans are the party that rejects invitations to appear at the conventions of the major black professional organizations [National Association of Black Journalists, National Bar Association, National Black MBA Association, etc]. McCain will likely do the same. If McCain DOES appear at these conventions, the appearances will be RELUCTANT ones.
Most Democratic politicians are far more intelligent than Brit Hume. They can see the distinction between patriotism and blind nationalism. Patriotism is an unflinching respect and support for the core founding ideals of your country (as in the constitution which I have sworn to defend with my life), and their defense. The blind nationalism which Brit and his Fox friends so often confuse with patriotism (easily done by folks who are little slower on the uptake) is an unqeustioning submission to the will of the federal government, and a fervant belief that the government is always right. It is a core ideal of facism. What inspires me and my brothers and sisters to join the armed forces is patriotism. What inspires Brit and friends to wear flag lapel pins and constantly defend a wholly corrupt and morally bankrupt federal government is blind nationalism. Patriotism is driving a smaller more fuel effecient car. Putting flags and bumper stickers on your SUV is not. Using your tax refund to install solar panels on your home is patriotism. Using the refund to buy a plasma screen TV is not. Volunteering at your child's school is patriotism. Using the school system as free daycare is not. Using your status in the media to investigate and report news that actually effects the citizenry is patriotic. Using your status to claim a political party to be unpatriotic, well that's just... you get the point.
I'm proud of our military, which is why I don't want our troops to die needlessly as they are now.
I'm proud of our founding principles, which is why I oppose religious zealots who want to erase the line between church and state.
I'm proud of our rights, which is why I want every one accused of a crime to get a fair and speedy trial, as opposed to being held indefinitely, and why I oppose theocrats who want to make the Constitution conform to God's law, and why I think people should be free to criticize the government without being accused of treason, and why I don't want anyone's privacy violated without just cause.
I'm proud of our commitment to the rule of law, which is why our leaders should follow it above partisan concerns.
I'm proud of our diversity, which is why I oppose people who feel that white people need to procreate more to maintain a majority.
I'm proud of our individual liberties, which is why people should be able to get married to whatever willing adult they like.
I'm proud of our children, which is why public schools should receive better funding, arts and music programs, and science classes that contain only actual science.
I'm proud of our economy, which is why I oppose the deficit spending we've suffered under Reagan and Bush 43.
I'm proud of our leadership role in the world community, which is why I'm ashamed of our current government's wholesale destruction of our reputation.
Most of all, I'm proud of our democracy, which is why I'm outraged at stolen elections, and why I want our electorate to be better informed of all the facts no matter who it happens to favor.
Aren't you glad you insisted on an answer?
Once again I DONT DO REQUESTS.
Once again WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? Why do we OWE you any recital of our bona fides. What makes you think we have to prove ANYTHING to you? You are not better or more American than we are. YOUR way is not more American than ours. YOU are just a braindead psychophant without any STANDING to demand anything. America is not a frat house and you are not some gatekeeper that gets to decide based on your judgement about how we act or what we say. You dont get to demand anything and I dont have anything to prove. GET OVER YOURSELF.
Oh come on now. Surely you get a tear in your eye when you hear the national anthem. We have a great pledge of allegiance, and the flag...well I can't even talk about that without a hankie.
I love how "patriots" dwell on symbols and superficial aspects like this. "We're great because we have a great military". Uh, no, we still need to use it responsibly. When Russia had tremendous military power they were a threat, but when we have it that proves our greatness. Another favorite of mine is how we have the best people on earth. As if it doesn't really matter what we do as a country, because the spirit of our citizens will allow us to survive. I bet the Romans thought that too, along with the "military might" part. I've met people from every major European and Asian country, plus Australia, Canada, Mexico and Madagascar. They're all good people.
It's the foundation of the government, the laws, the freedoms, the policies, the moral authority that make America great. The national anthem could be a polka played by a kazoo and accordion. The flag could be blank. Our military could be barely sufficient for self-defense. Getting wrapped up in such superficial aspects is a poor excuse for patriotism.
Vinniebarbarino,
You just can't help yourself which proves Hume's point. Your patriotism can only include dengration of some form or blame. Yes people from other countries are good people, but most are equally proud of their own heritage, unique history, etc.
I was speaking with a group of individuals from Africa recently and American politics came up. They seemed to think the only people of wealth could become president. I said that many have made money prior to or after their presidency, but where they came from was not impediment to acheive personal success. They were incredulous.
I stated that Dennis Kusinich had been homeless for a significant part of his childhood, that Huckabee was a just preacher prior to politics and that Obama was certainly not someone from a well-to-do family. It made me feel proud to say that so much of our heritage is about individuals dreaming, and with persaverance, going much further than what their lot in life would have indicated. For these gentlemen, it seemed a unique and special feature about America and the opportunities that we have access to.
Maybe this could give some ideas about what you could be proud of as a citizen of this special country without demeaning or disparaging tone.
"You just can't help yourself which proves Hume's point. Your patriotism can only include dengration of some form or blame. Yes people from other countries are good people, but most are equally proud of their own heritage, unique history, etc."
So because I'm mocking your superficiality, I'm not patriotic? What are you talking about?
And what does "but most are equally proud" mean? I already said I was proud of our foundation in the other post. I don't know why the bit about anyone being able to run for office is supposed to be news to me, I said I'm proud of our democracy as well.
You can't address the fact that I'm genuinely proud of many things that the current administration undermines, which makes all the "whining" actual valid concerns.
You basically admitted to being a troll earlier in this thread by saying that you twist people's names to get a rise out of them. I've asked you before to stop it. If you really want to have any credibility, maybe you should show others some respect instead of acting like a jackass.
Welcomebackbarbarino,
There was one statement that you made, that appears to show the uniqueness of our country..
"I'm proud of our commitment to the rule of law, which is why our leaders should follow it above partisan concerns."
But, all of those other statements just had to include an attack for spite alone, certainly not because of any truth that they may have contained.
Over time at this site and others, leftists have demonstrated that anything that is positive about this country must be degraded in order for them to succeed. The message of the left must be that anything prior was harmful, manipulative, erroneous in order for their message to survive. Beyond what Mrs. Obama's slip was intended to do, it showed that the left in fact, lives to undermine what ever could apprear to success prior to or without them. It's reflective of radical Saul Alinksy's rules for radicals. If at any point you concede, you have been defeated...go negative....go negative...even in the face of truth.
As Alinsky states in "Rules for Radicals" it was foolish to believe that means are just as important as the ends. He states that "to believe in the immaculate conception of ends and principles ... the practical revolutionary will understand ... [that] in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one's individual conscience and the good of mankind."
Still waiting for anything to genuinely be proud of about our country from the left........
"But, all of those other statements just had to include an attack for spite alone, certainly not because of any truth that they may have contained."
What falsehoods are there? Schools are underfunded, troops are dying for a political experiment, the 2000 election was stolen, fundamentalists are trying to push theology in science classes, we're deep in debt, etc...none of that is for spite. Those are all legitimate concerns. If you want to say I'm lying, that I'm not genuinely proud of all of those things and that's why I want to preserve and protect them, then that's just blind partisanship.
"Over time at this site and others, leftists have demonstrated that anything that is positive about this country must be degraded in order for them to succeed. The message of the left must be that anything prior was harmful, manipulative, erroneous in order for their message to survive. Beyond what Mrs. Obama's slip was intended to do, it showed that the left in fact, lives to undermine what ever could apprear to success prior to or without them. It's reflective of radical Saul Alinksy's rules for radicals. If at any point you concede, you have been defeated...go negative....go negative...even in the face of truth."
Aside from your empty assertions, you still haven't explained what I've denigrated. Where have I criticized America at all? You might want to apply your words here to people like Limbaugh, who has admitted to carrying water for people he doesn't even believe it, just for partisan purposes. Clinton was a pro-business centrist, but conservatives had to undermine his successes because he was a Democrat. This is hardly the sort of thing you can criticize the left for.
"As Alinsky states in "Rules for Radicals" it was foolish to believe that means are just as important as the ends. He states that "to believe in the immaculate conception of ends and principles ... the practical revolutionary will understand ... [that] in action, one does not always enjoy the luxury of a decision that is consistent both with one's individual conscience and the good of mankind.""
What the hell does this have to do with anything?
"Still waiting for anything to genuinely be proud of about our country from the left........"
So our children, our foundation, our military aren't things to be genuinely proud of? Your words.
Incidentally, I know you aren't confident enough in your abilities to post without provocation, but you did say before that if someone asked you to stop that you would. I asked you to stop, and you didn't. Were you lying?