Wash. Post's Robinson on O'Reilly remark: "There's certainly nothing at all funny or remotely appropriate about the use of a lynching reference"
SUMMARY: On MSNBC's Countdown, while discussing Bill O'Reilly's recent statement that "I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels," The Washington Post's Eugene Robinson stated, "There's nothing funny about lynching. There's certainly nothing at all funny or remotely appropriate about the use of a lynching reference to talk about Michelle Obama. ... It's -- I'm almost speechless."
On the February 20 edition of MSNBC's Countdown, host Keith Olbermann and Eugene Robinson, Washington Post associate editor and MSNBC political analyst, condemned comments made by Fox News host Bill O'Reilly about Michelle Obama during the February 19 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show. While discussing Obama's comments, O'Reilly stated: "I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels. If that's how she really feels -- that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit. We'll track it down." (Transcript and audio of O'Reilly's comments are here.)
On Countdown, Olbermann introduced the segment on O'Reilly's comments by referencing a speech in which President Bush discussed "the effect that references to nooses and lynching can still have," stating: "[I]n our number one story tonight, Mr. Bush's most prominent TV cheerleader did not merely ignore the president's plea for restraint on this exact issue, nor glean any guidance from [Golf Channel broadcaster] Kelly Tilghman. Bill O'Reilly spoke on national radio about metaphorically lynching a black person -- a black woman -- and not just any black woman." After airing a video clip of Bush's statement that "[l]ynching is not a word to be mentioned in jest," Olbermann showed a clip of O'Reilly's February 18 comments about Obama. Olbermann then asked Robinson: "Can you convey what Mr. Bush apparently failed to get through to everybody, some sense of the obscenity, the moral obscenity, involved in a national discussion of whether to launch a lynching party against the black woman married to the black man running for president?" Robinson replied:
ROBINSON: I think you've kind of said it, Keith. ... That's the offense. You know what lynching was. Lynching was a horrific practice of murder, torture, dismemberment, burning alive, hanging, and the only purpose of lynching was to perpetuate white supremacy in the Jim Crow South. It wasn't -- the idea of course wasn't to lynch all black people, but by lynching a few black people, not a few, by lynching some black people, to demonstrate to other African-Americans that this could happen to you -- that you have no power. That we have all the power and that we can take anything we want from you, including your life.
There's nothing funny about lynching. There's certainly nothing at all funny or remotely appropriate about the use of a lynching reference to talk about Michelle Obama, and the word "unless," followed by "[w]e'll track it down," is way beyond the pale. It's -- I'm almost speechless, but I have more to say, of course.
From the February 20 edition of MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann:
OLBERMANN: On February 12, celebrating Black History Month, President Bush said some Americans do not understand the effect that references to nooses and lynching can still have. A month earlier, Golf Channel sportscaster Kelly Tilghman said that in order to have any hopes of defeating him, the younger rivals of the game's greatest player might want to, quote, "lynch Tiger Woods in a back alley," unquote. She apologized. Woods said he took no offense and considered her a friend, and she accepted without protest a two-week suspension.
But in our number one story tonight, Mr. Bush's most prominent TV cheerleader did not merely ignore the president's plea for restraint on this exact issue, nor glean any guidance from Kelly Tilghman. Bill O'Reilly spoke on national radio about metaphorically lynching a black person -- a black woman -- and not just any black woman. First, Mr. Bush's remarks from just last Tuesday:
BUSH [video clip]: For generations of African-Americans, the noose was more than a tool of murder. It was a tool of intimidation that conveyed a sense of powerlessness to millions. The era of rampant lynching is a shameful chapter in American history. The noose is not a symbol of prairie justice, but of gross injustice. Displaying one is not a harmless prank. Lynching is not a word to be mentioned in jest.
OLBERMANN: O'Reilly, yesterday, acting on his radio show as though he were defending Michelle Obama, shooting down a listener's claim that she is an angry woman by saying he must investigate first to decide that for himself, then claiming he has sympathy for her and other public figures such as Bill Clinton leading up to this clip, which we have not edited in any way. The operative word in this may not in fact be "lynching," it may be, quote, "unless."
O'REILLY [audio clip]: [T]hey're thrown into a hopper where everybody is waiting for them to make a mistake, so that they can just go and bludgeon them. And, you know, Bill Clinton and I don't agree on a lot of things, and I think I've made that clear over the years, but he's trying to stick up for his wife, and every time the guy turns around, there's another demagogue or another ideologue in his face trying to humiliate him because they're rooting for Obama. That's wrong. And I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels. If that's how she really feels -- that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit. We'll track it down.
OLBERMANN: Let's go now to Eugene Robinson, political analyst for MSNBC and both columnist and associate editor at The Washington Post. Thanks for staying with us, Gene.
ROBINSON: Good to be here, Keith.
OLBERMANN: I'm sorry it's under these circumstances.
ROBINSON: As am I. As am I.
OLBERMANN: Can you convey what Mr. Bush apparently failed to get through to everybody, some sense of the obscenity, the moral obscenity, involved in a national discussion of whether to launch a lynching party against the black woman married to the black man running for president?
ROBINSON: I think you've kind of said it, Keith.
OLBERMANN: Yeah.
ROBINSON: That's the offense. You know what lynching was. Lynching was a horrific practice of murder, torture, dismemberment, burning alive, hanging, and the only purpose of lynching was to perpetuate white supremacy in the Jim Crow South.
It wasn't -- the idea of course wasn't to lynch all black people, but by lynching a few black people, not a few, by lynching some black people, to demonstrate to other African-Americans that this could happen to you -- that you have no power. That we have all the power and that we can take anything we want from you, including your life.
There's nothing funny about lynching. There's certainly nothing at all funny or remotely appropriate about the use of a lynching reference to talk about Michelle Obama, and the word "unless," followed by "[w]e'll track it down," is way beyond the pale. It's -- I'm almost speechless, but I have more to say, of course.
OLBERMANN: As we both do. And you're right, this is about disenfranchising people. It wasn't just about killing people. The rest were disenfranchised, and people were essentially told black people will not take office. There will not be people in government. There will not be --
ROBINSON: Of course not.
OLBERMANN: -- there will not be dog catchers.
ROBINSON: You will not vote. You will not --
OLBERMANN: Right.
ROBINSON: You will not own property that we don't want you to own.
OLBERMANN: You will not do anything. How many incidents like this does it take? And the Sylvia's restaurant story and "more iced tea, m-fer" now seems to lose all but one of its interpretations. How many of these stories does it take before a fair observer concludes this man is not color blind, he is not reckless with language, he has that insidious kind of low-grade prejudice that we see in ordinary American society still, low-grade prejudice against black people?
ROBINSON: Well, this is enough for me, now. But here's what's going to happen. You know, by tomorrow morning, some defender will come out and say, "I know Bill O'Reilly and he's no racist." And my response is: I don't care. How can anyone know what's in his heart, what's in his soul? That is irrelevant to me. All you can go by is his words and his actions. And he keeps saying these things that sound pretty darn racist to me.
OLBERMANN: He's not going to apologize. He's not going to stop because the moment he would do that, he'd have to admit that he was wrong, there was a reason for him to stop. I mean, do people have to then start never mind talking to him, but to talk to people who are keeping him on the air? Call Westwood One, the radio proprietors of his show, or his boss at Fox News, Roger Ailes, or the advertisers and say, you know, get rid of the guy, suspend him, whatever, or give up being accepted in 21st century American society where this is not tolerated anymore?
ROBINSON: Well, I think that's what happens. I think frankly that's basically what happened to Don Imus. And the reason he lost his job at MSNBC and at CBS, although he's now back on the radio. You know, I think television is a bit different from radio. I don't know that this will create a huge splash. Radio is a more kind of -- it's a medium where people can kind of be alone with their prejudices, and so it might just slip by.
OLBERMANN: I hope not. Eugene Robinson of The Washington Post and MSNBC. Especially under the circumstances, thanks, Gene.
ROBINSON: Good to be here, Keith. See you tomorrow night.















Boring,
There's only two kinds of people who will make a big deal out of this "lynching" statement.
1) The usual race hustlers who use incidents like this in order to gain media attention for themselves as well as their followers who see everything through a racial prism.
2) The Media Matters crowd who as usual will race in with their phony outrage because O'Reilly is a successful commentator from a successful network that doesn't cater to their preferred bias. So they'll spout out their selective moral outrage and cry "racism" because it politically suits them to do so.
Had Keith Olbermann made the same remark these same people wouldn't have cared.
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This guy has simply grabbed the torch from Hystbuff. He’s probably working for the same group. His new job is to get the first right-wing smear in at the top of every story at MMFA. Wonder how long it will take us to crack him to the point he’s throwing racist rants at us like the ones that caused the demise of Hyst?
Yeah your right - I already apologized to Jim in the next story thread.:)
I truly welcome hearing the other side's argument, it's just when the same ol' posters come on with the same ol' talking points rather than giving a fair and honest personal perspective - well, it gets kind of "old".
So let me get this straight.
You think that it's OK to assail a potential first lady of the US and call for her "lynching" if she is guilty of something? OK, we'll put you down into the "don't get it" column.
You think that it's OK to assail a potential first lady of the US and call for her "lynching" Yes, I'm sure O'Reilly was calling for a white mob to execute Michelle Obama...LOL. In politics people use a lot of terms and euphenisms that aren't meant to be taken literally. Anyone who has an ounce of common sense knows this. But as usual some people will play politics and ignore common sense when it suits their ideology to do so.
I'm not even going to post about this anymore. This is what's going to happen. Olbermann and MMFA will keep ranting about this non-issue for a few more days (as will the posters here) just as they have about every previous Fox News "scandal." And then the short-lived momentum will simply die out like it has countless times before.
Until then, enjoy.
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"You think that it's OK to assail a potential first lady of the US and call for her "lynching" Yes, I'm sure O'Reilly was calling for a white mob to execute Michelle Obama...LOL. In politics people use a lot of terms and euphenisms that aren't meant to be taken literally. Anyone who has an ounce of common sense knows this. But as usual some people will play politics and ignore common sense when it suits their ideology to do so.
I'm not even going to post about this anymore. This is what's going to happen. Olbermann and MMFA will keep ranting about this non-issue for a few more days (as will the posters here) just as they have about every previous Fox News "scandal." And then the short-lived momentum will simply die out like it has countless times before.
Until then, enjoy."
Nobody, repeat, nobody on here, or really any logical person would say that O'Reilly was talking about literally "lynching" Michelle Obama, which is why I put it into quotes to begin with. Figurative lynching, and use of the word without its relation to, you know, history, is ridiculous in this case.
In politics people do use different terms and euphemisms, and guess what? In this, and other cases, they are bad analogies at the least, and overt racism at the worst. It's not a non-issue when one of the top rated radio and cable TV show hosts talks about "lynching" (notice the quotation marks here) a Presidential front runner's wife because he disagrees with something she said. If you don't see the problem with that, again, I'm sorry, but I can't help you.
Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that using the term "lynching" is insensitive and inappropriate, especially on public airwaves, especially about a possible future first-lady. If O'Reilly were a gentleman (HA!), he wouldn't have said it, period.
Who cares if he didn't mean it - or if he was just using this very insensitive term "jokingly". I'm sure O'Reilly could have chosen to get his point across without using this word. However, I'm forced to assume that he's not smart enough to figure out how to do so.
He could have just said something like, "Well, I will take her to task if the reports on what she said are true."
'Nuff said. No "lynching" mention or anything like that.
Well, some people never give up though. What is left unsaid is that using that term in that context is still a form of intimidation. O'Reilly can be pretty intimidating to whoever he is talking about or to.
Here's another example where someone likes to hang nooses on doors.
There's only two kinds of people who will make a big deal out of this "lynching" statement.
Better make that three kinds of people: As a civil society, Americans should agree that noose displays and lynching jokes are "deeply offensive," Bush said.
Jim,
I am as offended by race baiters as anyone, and have said so here many times, but O'Reilly said this, he owns it, and he should absolutely apologize.
It is a hideous and offensive term and has no place in civil discourse, much less on a national radio program.
Um..Snoopy,
Show me where I said that. I actually believe Michelle Obama was taken out of context in her statement as well...sorry.
"Had Keith Olbermann made the same remark these same people wouldn't have cared."
I'm damn sure I would care, thank you. Nice effort at partisan generalizing though.
JIM: You should probably get used to the “boring” stories here – there’s a lot of them. The mission for MM is not to find just the titillating stories, but to point out conservative misinformation.
. 1) The usual race hustlers who use incidents like this in order to gain media attention for themselves as well as their followers who see everything through a racial prism.
You don’t quite get the outrage – probably because you are white (no?). Like any slur or “joke’, it’s only “not offensive” or “funny” to those who are not offended. Ask any comedian. Jon Stewart was on Larry King last night and mentioned the same point.
2) The Media Matters crowd who as usual will race in with their phony outrage because O'Reilly is a successful commentator from a successful network that doesn't cater to their preferred bias. So they'll spout out their selective moral outrage and cry "racism" because it politically suits them to do so.
The perceived “obsession” with Bill O’Reilly here has little to do with his success or popularity – and everything to do with the consistency of the “misinformation” that he spews on a near daily basis. You make it sound like the reason he, or Faux News, is so despised around here is because we are envious. That’s a joke – Let me paraphrase your remarks to make my point. It’s like saying anyone who criticized Hitler during WWII did so because he was “a successful dictator from a successful country that doesn't cater to their preferred bias (or political ideology)”.
As for Faux “News” Network itself – your own characterization says it all… By mentioning that it is a “network that doesn't cater to their preferred bias” you are admitting that it IS biased. Why would a website that exposes conservative misinformation embrace a cable news organization that has been proven time and time again to do just that?
Had Keith Olbermann made the same remark these same people wouldn't have cared.
KO would not have made this remark.(<-- period)
He won't, and we all know that he won't. In order to apologize, he first has to admit that he was wrong, which, we know he won't do either. Saying you were wrong is of course the most absolute, definitive sign of weakness that one could ever hope to portray. Can't have that happening with tough guy Bill O'Reilly. No no. He can NEVER be wrong, since he's in the "No Spin Zone" and all.
I'm sure though, that we'll have our normal contributors coming on here shortly talking about how this comment was actually supposed to HELP Mrs. Obama, and that O'Reilly's comments were anti racist in their tone and depth. Since, you know, I can't help but think how lynchings wouldn't be viewed as popular and FUN by minorities, I mean, they used to do them to cowboys too. How come the cowboys aren't outraged by this lynching comment?
O'Reilly would have to admit he was wrong to apologize, his ego will never let that happen.
Where was Olbermanns outrage when one of his own guests used the word "lynched". I wish MSNBC and even Eugene Robinson would save the outrage for MSNBC and the way it treats people.
‘NEIL: Correct.
OLBERMANN: And the reason I say that is this—you know, they had to scheduled that emergency extra edition of the show this season because the voting got screwed up. And you know, the poor dears at Fox, it must have cost them millions to do that. Actually, no. What‘s the word I‘m looking for? It made them millions. Do people who watch this really think it‘s all on the level?
O‘NEIL: No. Anybody who follows this show knows how rigged this is. I‘m still in therapy over the Ruben versus Clay thing. You know, it‘s going to take me a lifetime to get over that. But—no. And anybody who‘s watching now—look, this Scott Savol, who‘s on the show now, he couldn‘t—he‘d be booed off the stage or lynched if he appeared at the karaoke contest at your corner saloon. What is he doing in the final five or six of this show?
OLBERMANN: So ultimately, though, I‘m interested as a news consumer tonight of watching this hour-long special for what? For why? What reason? What nugget am I looking for?
O‘NEIL: Beyond just the pure Cheese Wiz fun of catching Paula Abdul doing a duet under the sheets with a contestant is the legal side of this.
OLBERMANN: OK.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7749526
May 4, 2005
Sue, give it a rest.
Do you have anything to say about O'Reilly? Because last I checked, this thread wasn't about Olberman. And are you actually trying to equate a reject from American Idol with the potential first lady of the United States? Sure, use of the word "lynching" is wrong, and it's a bad mistake for anyone to say it. But again, this ain't about Olberman.
Absolutely Lost, this is about Olbermann. Why shouldn't his credibility and consistency be in question when it's his selective outrage and opportunism that drives many of his Countdown stories?
Obviously O'Reilly's "lynching" statement is reprehensible, and of course he should apologize, but the messenger's motivation is not irrelevant.
Pearl
I do not like the word, if that is absurd so be it.
What about an academic endeavour? The word itself isn't the problem. It's the CONTEXT.
Sorry, I just assumed that folks would know that you must use the word in order to TEACH.
Oh and Col, I know all about the gray. ;-)
Gov, I do not realize why you are giving MSNBC a pass?
How am I "giving MSNBC a pass"?
The other point being that O'Reilly, a career journo, used the term himself, whereas it was KO's guest who said it, not media personality KO himself.
Apology still warranted.
SUeled
Abosultely right, the problem with MSNBC is that they like to be on a pedestal. Yet what I have been hearing from that network is nothing short of disgusting. Going back to the Savage era in 2003, Imus and his filthy remark, Tucker Carlson, Schuster, Scarborugh wanting to slap women, Matthews , the Obama picture switch, and Olbermanns flat out attempt to tell us why FOX is so bad but almost ignore his own networks history/ Thanks for bringing it up. Progressives will never make true progress in the media with friends like MSNBC.
I think a big difference here is that O'Neil (whoever that is) was using the word to describe (in an obviously over the top way) the hate directed at a bad singer by others. BilldO is using "lynching" to describe his own potential actions towards Mrs. Obama should he discover that she has a different opinion than his.
Bad choice of words in this instance too, but not even comparable.
BilldO is using "lynching" to describe his own potential actions towards Mrs. Obama should he discover that she has a different opinion than his.
That is just not fair, it was the wrong word to use but are you saying O'Reilly would resort to violence?
Sorry, Doris, I didn't think anybody needed this covered again. I think I can speak for everybody here;
NOBODY THINKS, NOR EVER THOUGHT, THAT O'REILLY WAS EVER THREATENING TO LITERALLY EXECUTE A LYNCHING.
I hope that's the very last time anybody has to post that point. Anybody still confused about this?
OK, I see your point, LOstlogic, sorry if I wasn't clear.I was just giving everybody the benefit of the doubt that they were all caught up, and there was absolutely nobody entertaining the idea of a LITERAL lynching.
By BilldO's potential ACTIONS, I was referring to;
"I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels,"
"Going on a lynching party" is an ACTION.
Excuse the Caps and bold, I try not to over-use them, but nothing else seems to be penetrating certain skulls. And by penetrating skulls, I am in no way suggesting violence, but speaking metaphorically.
Cripes.
I think the distinction you're trying to make is that when you're talking about other people, lynching can be used as an exaggeration because it makes those people look more violent and hateful. It's a huge step up from throwing rotten produce, etc. at a bad singer.
So why would O'Reilly intentionally exaggerate his own hatred and capacity for violence? It doesn't really work the same way.
I also think it wouldn't have been so bad if he had just accused others of going on a lynching party, without saying that he could join in or say that it could be "legit". It's when he made himself part of it, and making it acceptable in that manner. The comment Sue is using doesn't suggest any such acceptance.
Exactly, Brab, and I probably wasn't as clear as I could have been.The word is rarely used about oneself, but to describe overreaction in others.
Putting aside the racial aspects of the word "lynch", there are other elements connected to it. Whether the first image that comes to mind is a cattle rustler or a black guy talking to a white woman, "lynching" doesn't conjure up the most cool-headed, fair or rational examples of American justice.
It evokes emotion, hysteria, vengeance, and , let's call them, "judicial errors" (as anybody who's ever watched Bonanza can tell you).
lynching was usually done in a hurry, not through normal means of exercising punishment.
Yet another element to lynching is that it usually seemed to be about making an example of someone, moreso than traditional legal punishments.
And, finally, beneath all of the racial and emotional layers, what was BilldO using to justify the possible use of THE METAPHORICAL VERSION* of this harsh and very un-American punishment? Somebody who expressed the opinion that there may have been times that she felt less than "very proud" of everything her country did.
* I almost forgot to add that, but I'm keeping in mind there might be somebody very slow logging in.
"Easy KFC", meaning what? You toss out some pissy little post calling me a liar, and when I ask you WTF you're talking about, I need some scolding? Don't hit "post" if you're just tossing sh/t ytou can't back up.
Although I am impressed to learn that I have a posting "career"! ;0)
You are a talented one, Col. First a troll, then a bigot. And now you have a full blown posting career. Good times. :-)
That's "deranged troll", Missy.I didn't go to the additional derangement study groups at troll school to be simply "troll".
Who am I ripping off there, Dr. Evil? I'm blanking.
I agree it's inappropriate, and it made me cringe a little. I also agree with Pearlene that it's not really comparable to what O'Reilly said. It's over the line from "very poor taste" to "outrageous", in my opinion.
I think I probably would have said something if I were in Olbermann's shoes. To that extent I think Sue brings up a valid point.
Sue your outrage and anger at Keith has been noted in the history books HOWEVER THIS story is about Eugene Robinson, a political analyst for the Washington Post, commenting on a statement from Bill regarding "lynching" a presidential candidate's wife, not lynching a bad singer. Given the history that lynching African Americans has played in American history how totally inapporiate it was for Bill to use that word in reference to a presidential candidate's wife who happens to be black.
How you can compare the use of lynch by an entertainment reporter commenting on a singing contest to Bill's reference to Michelle Obama, the BLACK wife of a presidential candidate is beyond me. Oh I forgot, it's MSNBC that's the topic, not lynching.
Pearl
Sue your outrage and anger at Keith has been noted in the history books HOWEVER THIS story is about Eugene Robinson, a political analyst for the Washington Post
yes but it was said on MSNBC and Olbermanns show, If it was discussed on CNN i would agree with you. But MSNBC have a history now of hatespeech, and they get a free pass because they hate FOX and provide segments on why FOX is bad. That free pass whould not fly anymore, just ask Chelsea Clinton.
Sue you are not guilt free when it comes to the use of the word.
Imus will have the last laugh when he returns in the fall. I am not a fan of Savage but I agree Imus was lynched.
Agreed, I did say that. And was wrong, bad choice of words. I think that was debated throughout that post.
But MSNBCs own Buchanan said it and he is on the air , said it on KOs network. Again you can change the subject to me but am I as important as MSNBC?
MSNBC and Keith are very important to YOU.
Bill uses the word lynching you simply say bad choice of words and then go off on your rant about Keith and MSNBC. Why is it simply a bad choice of words when Bill says it but and outrage when a guest on Keith's show uses it? THAT is why I have problems with understanding your point, if you have one. Here is your response to Bill using the word:
As for Oreilly well what can you say? He used a word I would not use. The other thing is now becuse of this thread, Olbermann will do a complete segment on OReilly tonight and discuss why he is so racist.
The cycle continues. MMFA Reports and Olbermann copies.
Blah, blah, blah.
- SueEld / Wednesday February 20, 2008 2:16:10 PM EST
You blow Bill off as simply a bad choice of words and immediately start your outrage against Keith and MSNBC.
Well done Sue, Well done.
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!!!!!
Mini-me called, he said your impersonation of Dr Evil was not only sad and pathetic but a possible copyright infringement.
I have allready made my opinion of OLielly very clear, he should not get a free pass.
No, you wrote that it was nothing more than a poor word choice on O'Reilly's part.
I have? You have never read my posts on OLielly before.
But of course you want to defocus from the hypocracy of MSNBC to me. Fine play your games.
So what is your point? OReilly is a moron he says stupid things all the time I just said it was wrong and he should apologize ,but the bigger issue is MSNBC and its hate speech. If MSNBC wants to spend its time telling us why OReilly is so bad but allow its hosts to spew hate than that is their business but it should not get a free pass.
Schuster, Matthews, Scarbrough, Carlson, Imus, Savage , Olbermann and the use of the word pimping and "lynching". That is an outrage also.
So what is your point? OReilly is a moron he says stupid things all the time I just said it was wrong and he should apologize
No you did not.
Sueeld, I would ignore Governor he obviously does not want a serious discussion. People like that feel that you must either agree one way or the other and if you do not than you are wrong.
Context Sue. Context. It's not the WORD, it's the CONTEXT.
Bill-O was saying that the "lynching party" of [the (probable) future first lady of the United States] would be "legit" under certain circumstances. (And he'll track it down!)
O'Niell was using the term metaphorically, describing a crowd's poten tial reaction to a singer on stage. Clearly and EXAGERATION for humorous intent.
I don't buy the line that "you CAN'T use this word or that word in a humorous way" but you have to damned careful how you do it. (Esp with wordslike LYNCH) O'Niell's use was not overlty racist and you'd be going out on a limb to say that it was. O'Rielly use... I don't see how you can interpret it any other way!
It's the the WORD per se, in each case it was HOW the WORD was USED.
(BTW - in general, although I LIKE Olbermann, I'm totally with you that he should go after Tucker, Matthews & others at MSNBC more often. (Or AT ALL!) But I'm sure that MSNBC put it in his contract that no one there can be named WPITW or whatever. That's sad, but hardly his fault.)
That should say:
It's not the WORD per se, in each case it was HOW the WORD was USED.
Man, I wish you could edit!
"(BTW - in general, although I LIKE Olbermann, I'm totally with you that he should go after Tucker, Matthews & others at MSNBC more often. (Or AT ALL!) But I'm sure that MSNBC put it in his contract that no one there can be named WPITW or whatever. That's sad, but hardly his fault.)"
-Niceguyeddie
You know, that should put to rest Sue's calling for Olbermann to go after his own network. I'm sure it's in his contract too, and since he works for NBC, it would only do harm to his career to put Carlson, Matthews, or anyone else on NBC in his WPITW segments.
The real problem here is NETWORKS. As in "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!" A free and independent media can neither be free nor independent if they have to answer to shareholders.
This is what Eugene said
The Washington Post's Eugene Robinson stated, "There's nothing funny about lynching"
Yet Olbermann has allowed it on his show. Where is the outrage?
You really can't see the difference between the two instances?
Someone's on their chastising charger...
I'm really enjoying the extent of the equine euphemisms.
malignity mule??
Saddle 'er up, OB ! There are no bad ones.
You're not just a troll/whatever, you're an artist Colonel.
I love Solon's work too.
Good call, Truthy Seeker. Michelle Obama does have a deficiency in blind pride. She also has a deficiency in:
Envy
Greed
Sloth
Wrath
Gluttony
Lust
Now what do you have to say for yourself, sinner?
There is a big difference and you ought to be easily able to tell what it is.
Oh lord.
Stuck in Lodi again.
WISH? I wish to know. Is it her mission in life to mitigate Fox's terrible blunders by always saying, but, but, but, but ......MSNBC said this, this, this and that. Like anybody thinks NBC and affilliates are some kind of liberal bastion? Like MMFA doesn't daily highlight MSNBC's misinformation and stupidity.
Sue, was Eugene Robinson on the show that you sited above? Does he even have knowledge of it? I would be hard pressed to answer that question. Yet you think he's supposed to have outrage about something nearly 3 years ago that he may or may not have knowledge of?
WISH
Is the "H" for "here" or "hatin'", JJ?
I post, you decide. Maybe it was haranguging. Perhaps hamstringing (the discussion), perhaps hackneyed, perhaps hallucinating. Maybe hyperventilating, or hopeless. I think hopeless.
And, KO and MSNBC are doo doo. Just in case ya forgot.
That was the inferrence.
Sue's strong feelings do not convince me to give up on Obiemann. This is easy because I never get to see him anyway. The hate label is a bit like a bias call. It is exclusive to information. I might hate someone alot, but I can still listen and evaluate statements from the person, usually.
What exactly did they omit?
He said he wasn't ready to go on a lynching party "unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels", if Obama feels "that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit"
That's right, O'Reilly said it's legit to go on a lynching party if Michelle Obama feels "America is a bad country or a flawed nation."
I'd challenge O'Reilly to name one thing put together by human beings that isn't flawed but I doubt he'd know what I'm talking about.
Defending her? As he reports the same twisted take as every other righty talker? But he withholds punishment, until he can gather more evidence to support his BS.
Truthseeker, you're pretty easy to fool, aren't you?
Nice defense. Mention something that was a terrorist act perpetrated on American citizens by OTHER American citizens for the main reason of they were a different color.
You know the old saying...
With "friends" like O'Reilly, who needs enemies?
Doris, Gov does have a point. Sueld did say Billo just used a bad choice of words. In saying this she is mitigating Billy's abhorrent use of the word. She then defocuses the discussion onto KO and MSNBC. That is what she always does. It's obvious to all who come here often. The problem is many fold, not the least of which are the often and overused false equivilencies she uses. I mean KO's show is the least of the problems in the current media landscape. Yet here we are AGAIN discussing KO instead of Billo's stupid remarks. You have to understand why people would be disgusted and frustrated with her behavior.
Not to mention her constant griping about MMFA not covering MSNBC is just not true:
http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/tags/msnbc
Again, we were allegedly discussing Bill O'Reilly's comments, not Olberman's. I'm thinking she needs to develop her own website, and she can post all she wants about how bad of a person KO is.
Sue is a one trick pony that derails threads with her MSNBC obsession, posters get tired of it and let her know and then a few people feel bad and back her up with little to no specific rationale. Is Olby perfect? No, and neither are any of us. The fact is that threads are derailed for a reason and I've just got to wonder about a poster that says yeah I dislike FOX but then derails every thread that actually takes them to task without ever, EVER providing a link to explain why something OFF topic is worse. I've said it before and I'll say it again...
IT WAS HIGH SCHOOL
KEITH DIDN'T WANT TO DANCE
GET OVER IT
Note how the argument is now weaker, and can now summarized as follows: Bill O'reilly's willingness to viciously attack a person IF hard evidence is found that this person is not proud of America makes him deserving of a suspension.
Of course, people have a right to feel no pride for their country and they do not deserve to be attacked because of this; but the original claim by many of you was that O'reilly somehow meant to run after Michelle with a pitch-fork or a lit torch, and therefore these comments are worse than past comments by O'reilly.
Truthseeker-
Whose argument is now weaker?
Who (besides theright wing O'Reilly defenders) has expressed any confusion about "lynching" being used as a metaphor.
If you're just trolling, disregard this. If not, I'm concerned.