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Wash. Post's Robinson on O'Reilly remark: "There's certainly nothing at all funny or remotely appropriate about the use of a lynching reference"

February 21, 2008 12:44 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On MSNBC's Countdown, while discussing Bill O'Reilly's recent statement that "I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels," The Washington Post's Eugene Robinson stated, "There's nothing funny about lynching. There's certainly nothing at all funny or remotely appropriate about the use of a lynching reference to talk about Michelle Obama. ... It's -- I'm almost speechless."

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On the February 20 edition of MSNBC's Countdown, host Keith Olbermann and Eugene Robinson, Washington Post associate editor and MSNBC political analyst, condemned comments made by Fox News host Bill O'Reilly about Michelle Obama during the February 19 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show. While discussing Obama's comments, O'Reilly stated: "I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels. If that's how she really feels -- that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit. We'll track it down." (Transcript and audio of O'Reilly's comments are here.)

On Countdown, Olbermann introduced the segment on O'Reilly's comments by referencing a speech in which President Bush discussed "the effect that references to nooses and lynching can still have," stating: "[I]n our number one story tonight, Mr. Bush's most prominent TV cheerleader did not merely ignore the president's plea for restraint on this exact issue, nor glean any guidance from [Golf Channel broadcaster] Kelly Tilghman. Bill O'Reilly spoke on national radio about metaphorically lynching a black person -- a black woman -- and not just any black woman." After airing a video clip of Bush's statement that "[l]ynching is not a word to be mentioned in jest," Olbermann showed a clip of O'Reilly's February 18 comments about Obama. Olbermann then asked Robinson: "Can you convey what Mr. Bush apparently failed to get through to everybody, some sense of the obscenity, the moral obscenity, involved in a national discussion of whether to launch a lynching party against the black woman married to the black man running for president?" Robinson replied:

ROBINSON: I think you've kind of said it, Keith. ... That's the offense. You know what lynching was. Lynching was a horrific practice of murder, torture, dismemberment, burning alive, hanging, and the only purpose of lynching was to perpetuate white supremacy in the Jim Crow South. It wasn't -- the idea of course wasn't to lynch all black people, but by lynching a few black people, not a few, by lynching some black people, to demonstrate to other African-Americans that this could happen to you -- that you have no power. That we have all the power and that we can take anything we want from you, including your life.

There's nothing funny about lynching. There's certainly nothing at all funny or remotely appropriate about the use of a lynching reference to talk about Michelle Obama, and the word "unless," followed by "[w]e'll track it down," is way beyond the pale. It's -- I'm almost speechless, but I have more to say, of course.

From the February 20 edition of MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann:

OLBERMANN: On February 12, celebrating Black History Month, President Bush said some Americans do not understand the effect that references to nooses and lynching can still have. A month earlier, Golf Channel sportscaster Kelly Tilghman said that in order to have any hopes of defeating him, the younger rivals of the game's greatest player might want to, quote, "lynch Tiger Woods in a back alley," unquote. She apologized. Woods said he took no offense and considered her a friend, and she accepted without protest a two-week suspension.

But in our number one story tonight, Mr. Bush's most prominent TV cheerleader did not merely ignore the president's plea for restraint on this exact issue, nor glean any guidance from Kelly Tilghman. Bill O'Reilly spoke on national radio about metaphorically lynching a black person -- a black woman -- and not just any black woman. First, Mr. Bush's remarks from just last Tuesday:

BUSH [video clip]: For generations of African-Americans, the noose was more than a tool of murder. It was a tool of intimidation that conveyed a sense of powerlessness to millions. The era of rampant lynching is a shameful chapter in American history. The noose is not a symbol of prairie justice, but of gross injustice. Displaying one is not a harmless prank. Lynching is not a word to be mentioned in jest.

OLBERMANN: O'Reilly, yesterday, acting on his radio show as though he were defending Michelle Obama, shooting down a listener's claim that she is an angry woman by saying he must investigate first to decide that for himself, then claiming he has sympathy for her and other public figures such as Bill Clinton leading up to this clip, which we have not edited in any way. The operative word in this may not in fact be "lynching," it may be, quote, "unless."

O'REILLY [audio clip]: [T]hey're thrown into a hopper where everybody is waiting for them to make a mistake, so that they can just go and bludgeon them. And, you know, Bill Clinton and I don't agree on a lot of things, and I think I've made that clear over the years, but he's trying to stick up for his wife, and every time the guy turns around, there's another demagogue or another ideologue in his face trying to humiliate him because they're rooting for Obama. That's wrong. And I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels. If that's how she really feels -- that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit. We'll track it down.

OLBERMANN: Let's go now to Eugene Robinson, political analyst for MSNBC and both columnist and associate editor at The Washington Post. Thanks for staying with us, Gene.

ROBINSON: Good to be here, Keith.

OLBERMANN: I'm sorry it's under these circumstances.

ROBINSON: As am I. As am I.

OLBERMANN: Can you convey what Mr. Bush apparently failed to get through to everybody, some sense of the obscenity, the moral obscenity, involved in a national discussion of whether to launch a lynching party against the black woman married to the black man running for president?

ROBINSON: I think you've kind of said it, Keith.

OLBERMANN: Yeah.

ROBINSON: That's the offense. You know what lynching was. Lynching was a horrific practice of murder, torture, dismemberment, burning alive, hanging, and the only purpose of lynching was to perpetuate white supremacy in the Jim Crow South.

It wasn't -- the idea of course wasn't to lynch all black people, but by lynching a few black people, not a few, by lynching some black people, to demonstrate to other African-Americans that this could happen to you -- that you have no power. That we have all the power and that we can take anything we want from you, including your life.

There's nothing funny about lynching. There's certainly nothing at all funny or remotely appropriate about the use of a lynching reference to talk about Michelle Obama, and the word "unless," followed by "[w]e'll track it down," is way beyond the pale. It's -- I'm almost speechless, but I have more to say, of course.

OLBERMANN: As we both do. And you're right, this is about disenfranchising people. It wasn't just about killing people. The rest were disenfranchised, and people were essentially told black people will not take office. There will not be people in government. There will not be --

ROBINSON: Of course not.

OLBERMANN: -- there will not be dog catchers.

ROBINSON: You will not vote. You will not --

OLBERMANN: Right.

ROBINSON: You will not own property that we don't want you to own.

OLBERMANN: You will not do anything. How many incidents like this does it take? And the Sylvia's restaurant story and "more iced tea, m-fer" now seems to lose all but one of its interpretations. How many of these stories does it take before a fair observer concludes this man is not color blind, he is not reckless with language, he has that insidious kind of low-grade prejudice that we see in ordinary American society still, low-grade prejudice against black people?

ROBINSON: Well, this is enough for me, now. But here's what's going to happen. You know, by tomorrow morning, some defender will come out and say, "I know Bill O'Reilly and he's no racist." And my response is: I don't care. How can anyone know what's in his heart, what's in his soul? That is irrelevant to me. All you can go by is his words and his actions. And he keeps saying these things that sound pretty darn racist to me.

OLBERMANN: He's not going to apologize. He's not going to stop because the moment he would do that, he'd have to admit that he was wrong, there was a reason for him to stop. I mean, do people have to then start never mind talking to him, but to talk to people who are keeping him on the air? Call Westwood One, the radio proprietors of his show, or his boss at Fox News, Roger Ailes, or the advertisers and say, you know, get rid of the guy, suspend him, whatever, or give up being accepted in 21st century American society where this is not tolerated anymore?

ROBINSON: Well, I think that's what happens. I think frankly that's basically what happened to Don Imus. And the reason he lost his job at MSNBC and at CBS, although he's now back on the radio. You know, I think television is a bit different from radio. I don't know that this will create a huge splash. Radio is a more kind of -- it's a medium where people can kind of be alone with their prejudices, and so it might just slip by.

OLBERMANN: I hope not. Eugene Robinson of The Washington Post and MSNBC. Especially under the circumstances, thanks, Gene.

ROBINSON: Good to be here, Keith. See you tomorrow night.

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    • Author by magnolialover (February 21, 2008 12:59 pm ET)
         
      I can't believe just how disgusting the Keith Olberman is <sarcasm>...
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      • Author by JimLehrer (February 21, 2008 1:53 pm ET)
           

        Boring,

        There's only two kinds of people who will make a big deal out of this "lynching" statement.

        1) The usual race hustlers who use incidents like this in order to gain media attention for themselves as well as their followers who see everything through a racial prism.

        2) The Media Matters crowd who as usual will race in with their phony outrage because O'Reilly is a successful commentator from a successful network that doesn't cater to their preferred bias. So they'll spout out their selective moral outrage and cry "racism" because it politically suits them to do so.

        Had Keith Olbermann made the same remark these same people wouldn't have cared.

        .

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        • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 1:57 pm ET)
             
          Do you mind me asking if you are an upper-middle class white male over the age of 35?
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 1:59 pm ET)
               
            He won't even tell us what "The Race Card" is, I wouldn't expect any personal info.
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          • Author by Clevenative (February 21, 2008 2:27 pm ET)
               

            This guy has simply grabbed the torch from Hystbuff.  He’s probably working for the same group. His new job is to get the first right-wing smear in at the top of every story at MMFA. Wonder how long it will take us to crack him to the point he’s throwing racist rants at us like the ones that caused the demise of Hyst?

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            • Author by dbeden4153 (February 21, 2008 2:32 pm ET)
                 
              I don't know about working for the same group, I mean JimLehrer's sentences are complete and coherent, even if I don't agree with him.  HstyBuf's whole modus operandi was "Look, I know important people so I'm more important," but with less coherence and sentence structure that I can't bring myself to type.
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              • Author by Clevenative (February 21, 2008 3:00 pm ET)
                   

                Yeah your right - I already apologized to Jim in the next story thread.:)

                I truly welcome hearing the other side's argument, it's just when the same ol' posters come on with the same ol' talking points rather than giving a fair and honest  personal perspective - well, it gets kind of "old".

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        • Author by magnolialover (February 21, 2008 1:58 pm ET)
             

          So let me get this straight.

          You think that it's OK to assail a potential first lady of the US and call for her "lynching" if she is guilty of something? OK, we'll put you down into the "don't get it" column.

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          • Author by JimLehrer (February 21, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
               

            You think that it's OK to assail a potential first lady of the US and call for her "lynching" Yes, I'm sure O'Reilly was calling for a white mob to execute Michelle Obama...LOL.  In politics people use a lot of terms and euphenisms that aren't meant to be taken literally. Anyone who has an ounce of common sense knows this. But as usual some people will play politics and ignore common sense when it suits their ideology to do so.

            I'm not even going to post about this anymore. This is what's going to happen. Olbermann and MMFA will keep ranting about this non-issue for a few more days (as will the posters here) just as they have about every previous Fox News "scandal." And then the short-lived momentum will simply die out like it has countless times before.

            Until then, enjoy.

            .

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            • Author by kromecom48 (February 21, 2008 2:44 pm ET)
                 
              Again, let's "gas" Joe Lieberman for continuing to support the Iraq War. By your own words there's nothing offensive in my making such a suggestion.
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            • Author by magnolialover (February 21, 2008 3:37 pm ET)
                 

              "You think that it's OK to assail a potential first lady of the US and call for her "lynching" Yes, I'm sure O'Reilly was calling for a white mob to execute Michelle Obama...LOL.  In politics people use a lot of terms and euphenisms that aren't meant to be taken literally. Anyone who has an ounce of common sense knows this. But as usual some people will play politics and ignore common sense when it suits their ideology to do so.

              I'm not even going to post about this anymore. This is what's going to happen. Olbermann and MMFA will keep ranting about this non-issue for a few more days (as will the posters here) just as they have about every previous Fox News "scandal." And then the short-lived momentum will simply die out like it has countless times before.

              Until then, enjoy."

              Nobody, repeat, nobody on here, or really any logical person would say that O'Reilly was talking about literally "lynching" Michelle Obama, which is why I put it into quotes to begin with. Figurative lynching, and use of the word without its relation to, you know, history, is ridiculous in this case.

              In politics people do use different terms and euphemisms, and guess what? In this, and other cases, they are bad analogies at the least, and overt racism at the worst. It's not a non-issue when one of the top rated radio and cable TV show hosts talks about "lynching" (notice the quotation marks here) a Presidential front runner's wife because he disagrees with something she said. If you don't see the problem with that, again, I'm sorry, but I can't help you.

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            • Author by commonsenseliberal (February 21, 2008 4:04 pm ET)
                 

              Anyone with an ounce of common sense would know that using the term "lynching" is insensitive and inappropriate, especially on public airwaves, especially about a possible future first-lady.  If O'Reilly were a gentleman (HA!), he wouldn't have said it, period.

              Who cares if he didn't mean it - or if he was just using this very insensitive term "jokingly".  I'm sure O'Reilly could have chosen to get his point across without using this word.  However, I'm forced to assume that he's not smart enough to figure out how to do so.

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              • Author by magnolialover (February 21, 2008 4:14 pm ET)
                   

                He could have just said something like, "Well, I will take her to task if the reports on what she said are true."

                'Nuff said. No "lynching" mention or anything like that.

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              • Author by snoopy (February 21, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
                   

                Well, some people never give up though. What is left unsaid is that using that term in that context is still a form of intimidation. O'Reilly can be pretty intimidating to whoever he is talking about or to.

                Here's another example where someone likes to hang nooses on doors.

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            • Author by solon (February 21, 2008 5:16 pm ET)
                 
              This is one of the dumbest talking points in rightwing history and that is an amazingly high bar. To pretend that using a racially insensative term at best and an outright racist image at worst if all well and good as long as actual murder wasnt contemplated is the heighth of being intentionally obtuse. It takes I refuse to see the sky is blue to an all new level of commitment to ideological blindness. No one will be convinced who isnt desperate
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        • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (February 21, 2008 2:03 pm ET)
             

          There's only two kinds of people who will make a big deal out of this "lynching" statement.

          Better make that three kinds of people: As a civil society, Americans should agree that noose displays and lynching jokes are "deeply offensive," Bush said.

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        • Author by tommy (February 21, 2008 2:05 pm ET)
             

          Jim,

          I am as offended by race baiters as anyone, and have said so here many times, but O'Reilly said this, he owns it, and he should absolutely apologize.

          It is a hideous and offensive term and has no place in civil discourse, much less on a national radio program.

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          • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 2:14 pm ET)
               
            Tommy, I agree 100% with you. 
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            • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 2:19 pm ET)
                 
              Interesting.  A slightly harsher stance than "it was the wrong choice of words, but worse than what Imus said? Puhlease." Dontchathink?
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          • Author by greekfurnace (February 21, 2008 2:19 pm ET)
               
            Agreed, Tom - BO's statement is a blatant and deliberate 'wink-wink' to all the racists out there. Anyone who makes excuses for this is a liar or a fool.
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          • Author by RINO Hunter (February 21, 2008 6:20 pm ET)
               
            He should apologize for saying that Obama SHOULDN'T be lynched?
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            • Author by Brabantio (February 21, 2008 7:00 pm ET)
                 
              That's not what he said.  He said he wouldn't join a lynching party unless he knew she really felt that way.  And then he tried to find out from some anonymous woman on the phone.  It's "legit" to lynch her once he gets more information.
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        • Author by snoopy (February 21, 2008 2:18 pm ET)
             
          Yeah, that statement makes a whole lot of sense coming from someone who think Michelle Obama literally meant this was the first time ever she had been proud to be an american.
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          • Author by JimLehrer (February 21, 2008 2:20 pm ET)
               

            Um..Snoopy,

            Show me where I said that. I actually believe Michelle Obama was taken out of context in her statement as well...sorry.

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        • Author by Brabantio (February 21, 2008 2:44 pm ET)
             

          "Had Keith Olbermann made the same remark these same people wouldn't have cared."

          I'm damn sure I would care, thank you.  Nice effort at partisan generalizing though. 

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          • Author by solon (February 21, 2008 5:20 pm ET)
               
            As would I. I see we went into another episode of us conservatives can read minds, really, we can.
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        • Author by Clevenative (February 21, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
             

          JIM: You should probably get used to the “boring” stories here – there’s a lot of them. The mission for MM is not to find just the titillating stories, but to point out conservative misinformation.

          . 1) The usual race hustlers who use incidents like this in order to gain media attention for themselves as well as their followers who see everything through a racial prism.

          You don’t quite get the outrage – probably because you are white (no?). Like any slur or “joke’, it’s only “not offensive” or “funny” to those who are not offended. Ask any comedian. Jon Stewart was on Larry King last night and mentioned the same point.

          2) The Media Matters crowd who as usual will race in with their phony outrage because O'Reilly is a successful commentator from a successful network that doesn't cater to their preferred bias. So they'll spout out their selective moral outrage and cry "racism" because it politically suits them to do so.

          The perceived “obsession” with Bill O’Reilly here has little to do with his success or popularity – and everything to do with the consistency of the “misinformation” that he spews on a near daily basis. You make it sound like the reason he, or Faux News, is so despised around here is because we are envious. That’s a joke – Let me paraphrase your remarks to make my point. It’s like saying anyone who criticized Hitler during WWII did so because he was “a successful dictator from a successful country that doesn't cater to their preferred bias (or political ideology)”.

          As for Faux “News” Network itself – your own characterization says it all… By mentioning that it is a “network that doesn't cater to their preferred bias” you are admitting that it IS biased. Why would a website that exposes conservative misinformation embrace a cable news organization that has been proven time and time again to do just that?

          Had Keith Olbermann made the same remark these same people wouldn't have cared.

          KO would not have made this remark.(<-- period)

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        • Author by solon (February 21, 2008 5:10 pm ET)
             
          There is certainly no end to rightwing appologists who will pretend there is no historical baggage to using the term lynching when speaking about a black person. Its transparent and its ludicrous. The race hustlers are the ones that transferred blatant in your face racism to an underground, toss red meat with sly innuendo racism, talk about states rights in Philidelphia Miss., wink and nod racism. That is the ones that ADMITTED using the 'Southern strategy, and appologized for it modern racism. You can pretend we arent aware enough to catch on to the game or that the game isnt really being played but it will never fly.
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    • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 12:59 pm ET)
         
      Totally agree.  There is absolutely nothing even remotely approropriate in Bill O'Reilly's lynching reference to Mrs. Obama.  He must apologize.
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      • Author by magnolialover (February 21, 2008 1:11 pm ET)
           

        He won't, and we all know that he won't. In order to apologize, he first has to admit that he was wrong, which, we know he won't do either. Saying you were wrong is of course the most absolute, definitive sign of weakness that one could ever hope to portray. Can't have that happening with tough guy Bill O'Reilly. No no. He can NEVER be wrong, since he's in the "No Spin Zone" and all.

        I'm sure though, that we'll have our normal contributors coming on here shortly talking about how this comment was actually supposed to HELP Mrs. Obama, and that O'Reilly's comments were anti racist in their tone and depth. Since, you know, I can't help but think how lynchings wouldn't be viewed as popular and FUN by minorities, I mean, they used to do them to cowboys too. How come the cowboys aren't outraged by this lynching comment?

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    • Author by roundhouse (February 21, 2008 1:09 pm ET)
         
      Lynching is an act of terrorism. O'Reilly is a terrorist.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 1:11 pm ET)
           
        Roundhouse, I don't want to send BilldO to Gitmo yet. Not until I do some research, and get some good hard facts that he actually feels this way.
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    • Author by dazedandconfused26 (February 21, 2008 1:10 pm ET)
         

      O'Reilly would have to admit he was wrong to apologize, his ego will never let that happen.

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    • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 1:11 pm ET)
         

      Where was Olbermanns outrage when one of his own guests used the word "lynched". I wish MSNBC and even Eugene Robinson would save the outrage for MSNBC and the way it treats people.

       

      ‘NEIL:  Correct.

      OLBERMANN:  And the reason I say that is this—you know, they had to scheduled that emergency extra edition of the show this season because the voting got screwed up.  And you know, the poor dears at Fox, it must have cost them millions to do that.  Actually, no.  What‘s the word I‘m looking for?  It made them millions.  Do people who watch this really think it‘s all on the level?

      O‘NEIL:  No.  Anybody who follows this show knows how rigged this is.  I‘m still in therapy over the Ruben versus Clay thing.  You know, it‘s going to take me a lifetime to get over that.  But—no.  And anybody who‘s watching now—look, this Scott Savol, who‘s on the show now, he couldn‘t—he‘d be booed off the stage or lynched if he appeared at the karaoke contest at your corner saloon.  What is he doing in the final five or six of this show?

      OLBERMANN:  So ultimately, though, I‘m interested as a news consumer tonight of watching this hour-long special for what?  For why?  What reason?  What nugget am I looking for?

      O‘NEIL:  Beyond just the pure Cheese Wiz fun of catching Paula Abdul doing a duet under the sheets with a contestant is the legal side of this.

      OLBERMANN:  OK.

      http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7749526

       

      May 4, 2005

       

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 1:13 pm ET)
           
        Sue, get help. Seriously.
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        • Author by lostlogic (February 21, 2008 1:16 pm ET)
             
          Seems to me Sue is right on topic with this one.  I think we can all agree using this word is not appropriate and we should condem those that do.  Sue is right to call this piece into question if Oberman only thinks it is inappropriate and worthy of being called out if someone he doesn't like uses the word but otherwise lets the comment go on remarked upon in other instances.
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          • Author by solon (February 21, 2008 5:25 pm ET)
               
            Yeah, that looks pretty inappropriate to me. I know Keith likes to take it easy on his guests but he really cant have it both ways.
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        • Author by DorisRussell (February 21, 2008 1:21 pm ET)
             
          I agree with Sue, this is good research. There are so many problems at MSNBC right now and Olbermann is one of them. 
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      • Author by magnolialover (February 21, 2008 1:15 pm ET)
           

        Sue, give it a rest.

        Do you have anything to say about O'Reilly? Because last I checked, this thread wasn't about Olberman. And are you actually trying to equate a reject from American Idol with the potential first lady of the United States? Sure, use of the word "lynching" is wrong, and it's a bad mistake for anyone to say it. But again, this ain't about Olberman.

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        • Author by lostlogic (February 21, 2008 1:18 pm ET)
             
          Of course this thread involves Oberman...it was on his show and he is quoted extensivelty opining on the issue in this thread.  I agree sometimes Sue interjects Oberman into odd places but this time she has a valid point.
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          • Author by tommy (February 21, 2008 1:24 pm ET)
               

            Absolutely Lost, this is about Olbermann.  Why shouldn't his credibility and consistency be in question when it's his selective outrage and opportunism that drives many of his Countdown stories?

            Obviously O'Reilly's "lynching" statement is reprehensible, and of course he should apologize, but the messenger's motivation is not irrelevant. 

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            • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 1:30 pm ET)
                 
              Thank you Lostlogic and Tommy, yes the thread involves Olbermann, and more importantly MSNBC and how two faced that network has become.
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              • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 1:35 pm ET)
                   
                Umm... you've already downplayed and minimized O'Reilly's use of the work "Lynching" in the prior thread.  Why are you making a big deal out of Olbermann's guest's use of the word "lynched" from three years ago?
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                • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 1:36 pm ET)
                     
                  I did not downplay anything, its wrong, but I predicited what came through. An entire segment on Olbys show. The outrgage from MSNBC about someone at FOX, yet for some reason hate speech is allowed at MSNBC daily.  Interesting.
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                  • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 1:38 pm ET)
                       
                    Are you just making stuff up now?
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                    • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 1:40 pm ET)
                         
                      Making what up? Hate speech from MSNBC? Just ask Chelsea Clinton if I am making it up. Get real mister.  Just because Olbermann hates FOX does not mean he should get a free pass from hateful words himself. 
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                      • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 1:43 pm ET)
                           
                        Sueeld: You made it clear that O'Reilly's "lynching party" was not a big deal.  Why can't you afford the same standard to Olbermann?
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                        • Author by DorisRussell (February 21, 2008 1:45 pm ET)
                             
                          Gov, maybe because everyone told Sueeld yesterday it is a big deal? Why can you not admit that the word never should be used. Ever?
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                          • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 1:48 pm ET)
                               
                            I did not know I wasn't admitting something.
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                          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (February 21, 2008 1:55 pm ET)
                               
                            Doris, the word should never be used, period! But to compare one using it in referenced to a bad singer vs one using it in reference to a black presidential candidate's wife? Sorry that is absurd.
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                            • Author by DorisRussell (February 21, 2008 4:50 pm ET)
                                 

                              Pearl

                              I do not like the word, if that is absurd so be it. 

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                              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (February 21, 2008 6:40 pm ET)
                                   
                                Doris, maybe you should read my post again. I said I don't like the word either however to compare what some entertainment reporter said to Bill speaking about a presidential candidate's wife IS absurd. There is NO comparison.
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                          • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 21, 2008 1:56 pm ET)
                               
                            Now that is just ridiculous.  What about in an historical context?  What about an academic endeavour?  The word itself isn't the problem.  It's the CONTEXT.
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                            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 2:02 pm ET)
                                 
                              Not to mention my correspondence to Merrill-Lynch, or trying to rent a David Lynch movie. There are grey areas, Pearlene! ;0)
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                              • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
                                   
                                Points taken.  And what about typos?  Anyway, I'm off for a late lvnch.  Bye...
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                            • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (February 21, 2008 3:07 pm ET)
                                 

                              What about an academic endeavour?  The word itself isn't the problem.  It's the CONTEXT.

                              Sorry, I just assumed that folks would know that you must use the word in order to TEACH. 

                              Oh and Col, I know all about the gray. ;-)

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                          • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 2:15 pm ET)
                               
                            Very true Doris, and the use of the word on MSNBC, where is Robinson and Olbermans outrage when Pat Buchanan used it reference to Imus?
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                            • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 3:12 pm ET)
                                 
                              One more time: where was your outrage on the O'Reilly "lynching party" post?  All you could muster is that O'Reilly simply picked a bad word and that what he said was not nearly as bad as Imus' "nappy" remark.  Now your posting that there's no place in civil society for the word.  Please make up your mind and sharpen your Olby axe.
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                              • Author by tommy (February 21, 2008 3:15 pm ET)
                                   
                                Oh Governor, give it up.  Sue has made her feelings on both situations quite clear, your little attempt at "waffle gotcha" is ridiculous.
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                                • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 3:21 pm ET)
                                     
                                  Thank you Tommy, for some reason Gov feels that I am defending Oreilly because I dared question Olbermann and his slimey network. Get over yourself Governor and take the partisan glasses off.
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                                  • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 3:25 pm ET)
                                       
                                    You gave O'Reilly a pass, Olbermann and MMFA a grilling, and you think "Imus was Lynched". Whatever.
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                                    • Author by DorisRussell (February 21, 2008 3:45 pm ET)
                                         
                                      Gov, I do not realize why you are giving MSNBC a pass? Focusing on Sueeld and not on how a major network has had a history of terrible speech but wants us to think they are the model. Sueeld is right, and you are wrong. 
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                • Author by tommy (February 21, 2008 1:40 pm ET)
                     
                  Perhaps when O'Reilly's screw-ups are legitimately discussed by unbiased news sources, instead of by his needling competitor whose agenda is abundantly clear, then Olbermann's inconsistencies won't be relevant.
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                • Author by AussieBob (February 22, 2008 4:30 am ET)
                     

                  The other point being that O'Reilly, a career journo, used the term himself, whereas it was KO's guest who said it, not media personality KO himself.

                  Apology still warranted. 

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              • Author by solon (February 21, 2008 5:29 pm ET)
                   
                I agree bringing up Olby in this thread seems legitimate to me.
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        • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 1:19 pm ET)
             
          I have allready made my opinion of OLielly very clear, he should not get a free pass. But MSNBC and its shows are making livings out of why FOX is bad and why OReilly is bad, meanwhile Gay bashing, women bashing and use of the word lynching has occured on its programs. Was lynching ok to use in 2005 but not now? should it ever be used? Pat Buchanan has used the word , he works for NBC. Where is Eugene Robinsons outrage over MSNBC smear of Obama by using Osamas picture? Use of the word "pimping"?
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          • Author by DorisRussell (February 21, 2008 1:39 pm ET)
               

            SUeled

             

            Abosultely right, the problem with MSNBC is that they like to be on a pedestal. Yet what I have been hearing from that network is nothing short of disgusting. Going back to the Savage era in 2003, Imus and his filthy remark, Tucker Carlson, Schuster, Scarborugh wanting to slap women, Matthews , the Obama picture switch, and Olbermanns flat out attempt to tell us why FOX is so bad but almost ignore his own networks history/ Thanks for bringing it up.  Progressives will never make true progress in the media with friends like MSNBC.

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 1:23 pm ET)
             

          I think a big difference here is that O'Neil (whoever that is) was using the word to describe (in an obviously over the top way)  the hate directed at a bad singer by others. BilldO is using "lynching" to describe his own potential actions towards Mrs. Obama should he discover that she has a different opinion than his.

          Bad choice of words in this instance too, but not even comparable.

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          • Author by DorisRussell (February 21, 2008 1:25 pm ET)
               

            BilldO is using "lynching" to describe his own potential actions towards Mrs. Obama should he discover that she has a different opinion than his.

            That is just not fair, it was the wrong word to use but are you saying O'Reilly would resort to violence?

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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 1:29 pm ET)
                 

              Sorry, Doris, I didn't think anybody needed this covered again. I think I can speak for everybody here;

              NOBODY THINKS, NOR EVER THOUGHT, THAT O'REILLY WAS EVER THREATENING TO LITERALLY EXECUTE A LYNCHING.

              I hope that's the very last time anybody has to post that point. Anybody still confused about this?

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              • Author by lostlogic (February 21, 2008 1:33 pm ET)
                   
                I think perhaps you may have reopened the issue when you said the difference was BO was discussing how he would act as opposed to the other guy speaking of how others would.  It did sort of leave the impression that you were taking the comments literally.  I do agree with you the problem with BO's comments is not the literal interpretaion but the use of the word towards Michelle Obama.
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                • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 1:44 pm ET)
                     

                  OK, I see your point, LOstlogic, sorry if I wasn't clear.I was just giving everybody the benefit of the doubt that they were all caught up, and there was absolutely nobody entertaining the idea of a LITERAL lynching.

                  By BilldO's potential ACTIONS, I was referring to;

                  "I don't want to go on a lynching party against Michelle Obama unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels,"

                  "Going on a lynching party" is an ACTION.

                  Excuse the Caps and bold, I try not to over-use them, but nothing else seems to be penetrating certain skulls. And by penetrating skulls, I am in no way suggesting violence, but speaking metaphorically.

                  Cripes.

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                  • Author by Brabantio (February 21, 2008 3:29 pm ET)
                       

                    I think the distinction you're trying to make is that when you're talking about other people, lynching can be used as an exaggeration because it makes those people look more violent and hateful.  It's a huge step up from throwing rotten produce, etc.  at a bad singer.

                    So why would O'Reilly intentionally exaggerate his own hatred and capacity for violence?  It doesn't really work the same way.

                    I also think it wouldn't have been so bad if he had just accused others of going on a lynching party, without saying that he could join in or say that it could be "legit".  It's when he made himself part of it, and making it acceptable in that manner.  The comment Sue is using doesn't suggest any such acceptance.

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                    • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 3:48 pm ET)
                         

                      Exactly, Brab, and I probably wasn't as clear as I could have been.The word is rarely used about oneself, but to describe overreaction in others.

                       Putting aside the racial aspects of the word "lynch", there are other elements connected to it. Whether the first image that comes to mind is a cattle rustler or a black guy talking to a white woman, "lynching" doesn't conjure up the most cool-headed, fair or rational examples of American justice.

                      It evokes emotion, hysteria, vengeance, and , let's call them, "judicial errors" (as anybody who's ever watched Bonanza can tell you).

                      lynching was usually done in a hurry, not through normal means of exercising punishment.

                      Yet another element to lynching is that it usually seemed to be about making an example of someone, moreso than traditional legal punishments.

                      And, finally, beneath all of the racial and emotional layers, what was BilldO  using to justify the possible use of THE METAPHORICAL VERSION* of this harsh and very un-American punishment? Somebody who expressed the opinion that there may have been times that she felt less than "very proud" of everything her country did.

                      * I almost forgot to add that, but I'm keeping in mind there might be somebody very slow logging in.

                       

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              • Author by DorisRussell (February 21, 2008 1:44 pm ET)
                   
                Thank you Col.
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            • Author by dexteritas0071418 (February 21, 2008 1:30 pm ET)
                 
              Doris, Col. Sanders makes his posting career out of denying the obvious and spinning the truth. It's pretty sad when some diehard progressive posters on this site are like "No Colonel you're completely wrong."
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 1:35 pm ET)
                   
                & you're like "no way", and I'm like "WTF are you talking about?"
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                • Author by dexteritas0071418 (February 21, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
                     
                  Easy KFC.
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                  • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 2:30 pm ET)
                       

                    "Easy KFC", meaning what? You toss out some pissy little post calling me a liar, and when I ask you WTF you're talking about, I need some scolding? Don't hit "post" if you're just tossing sh/t ytou can't back up.

                    Although I am impressed to learn that I have a posting "career"! ;0)

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                    • Author by juliajayne (February 21, 2008 3:15 pm ET)
                         

                      You are a talented one, Col. First a troll, then a bigot. And now you have a full blown posting career. Good times. :-)

                       

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                      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 3:23 pm ET)
                           

                        That's "deranged troll", Missy.I didn't go to the additional derangement study groups at troll school to be simply "troll".

                        Who am I ripping off there, Dr. Evil? I'm blanking.

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          • Author by solon (February 21, 2008 5:35 pm ET)
               
            A valid point but to me not a compelling one. He still used it in a way that was inappropriate he wasnt using it in a sense that it would be outrageous were it to happen he was saying the guy was a bad singer and he would be lynched. If Keith isnt going to take his own guest to task for using it that way he is on thin ice throwing a fit at O'Reilly.
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            • Author by Brabantio (February 21, 2008 7:11 pm ET)
                 

              I agree it's inappropriate, and it made me cringe a little.  I also agree with Pearlene that it's not really comparable to what O'Reilly said.  It's over the line from "very poor taste" to "outrageous", in my opinion.

              I think I probably would have said something if I were in Olbermann's shoes.  To that extent I think Sue brings up a valid point.

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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (February 21, 2008 1:52 pm ET)
           

        Sue your outrage and anger at Keith has been noted in the history books HOWEVER THIS story is about Eugene Robinson, a political analyst for the Washington Post, commenting on a statement from Bill regarding "lynching" a presidential candidate's wife, not lynching a bad singer. Given the history that lynching African Americans has played in American history  how totally inapporiate it was for Bill to use that word in reference to a  presidential candidate's wife who happens to be black.

        How you can compare the use of lynch by an entertainment reporter commenting on a singing contest to Bill's reference to Michelle Obama, the BLACK wife of a presidential candidate is beyond me. Oh I forgot, it's MSNBC that's the topic, not lynching. 

         

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        • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 2:18 pm ET)
             

          Pearl

          Sue your outrage and anger at Keith has been noted in the history books HOWEVER THIS story is about Eugene Robinson, a political analyst for the Washington Post

          yes but it was said on MSNBC and Olbermanns show, If it was discussed on CNN i would agree with you. But MSNBC have a history now of hatespeech, and they get a free pass because they hate FOX and provide segments on why FOX is bad. That free pass whould not fly anymore, just ask Chelsea Clinton. 

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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (February 21, 2008 3:09 pm ET)
               

            Sue you are not guilt free when it comes to the use of the word.

            Imus will have the last laugh when he returns in the fall.  I am not a fan of Savage but I agree Imus was lynched.

             

             

            • - SueEld / Monday July 23, 2007 7:41:11 PM EDT
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            • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 3:23 pm ET)
                 

              Agreed, I did say that. And was wrong, bad choice of words.  I think that was debated throughout that post.

               But MSNBCs own Buchanan said it and he is on the air , said it on KOs network. Again you can change the subject to me but am I as important as MSNBC?

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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (February 22, 2008 2:05 am ET)
                   

                MSNBC and Keith are very important to YOU. 

                Bill uses the word lynching you simply say bad choice of words and then go off on your rant about Keith and MSNBC. Why is it simply a bad choice of words when Bill says it but and outrage when a guest on Keith's show uses it? THAT is why I have problems with understanding your point, if you have one. Here is your response to Bill using the word:

                As for Oreilly well what can you say? He used a word I would not use. The other thing is now becuse of this thread, Olbermann will do a complete segment on OReilly tonight and discuss why he is so racist.

                The cycle continues. MMFA Reports and Olbermann copies.

                Blah, blah, blah.

                - SueEld / Wednesday February 20, 2008 2:16:10 PM EST

                You blow Bill off as simply a bad choice of words and immediately start your outrage against Keith and MSNBC.

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      • Author by JimLehrer (February 21, 2008 2:17 pm ET)
           

        Well done Sue, Well done.

        BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!!!!!

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        • Author by solon (February 22, 2008 9:14 am ET)
             

          Mini-me called, he said your impersonation of Dr Evil was not only sad and pathetic but a possible copyright infringement.

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      • Author by kromecom48 (February 21, 2008 2:50 pm ET)
           
        Sue, why are you so sensitive about OReilly/Fox. Tweety, Tucker and others have had their share of scorn from posters here. Again, look at MMFA's mission statement. Your act is so tiresome.
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        • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 3:25 pm ET)
             
          What is the act? That hate speech is hate speech? MSNBC should get a free pass?
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    • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 1:24 pm ET)
         

      I have allready made my opinion of OLielly very clear, he should not get a free pass.

       

      No, you wrote that it was nothing more than a poor word choice on O'Reilly's part.

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      • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 1:28 pm ET)
           

        I have? You have never read my posts on OLielly before.

        But of course you want to defocus from the hypocracy of MSNBC to me. Fine play your games. 

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        • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 1:30 pm ET)
             
          Regarding the ISSUE being discussed, you wrote "As for Oreilly well what can you say? He used a word I would not use."  Whoa, Nellie, release the hounds!
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          • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 1:33 pm ET)
               

            So what is your point? OReilly is a moron he says stupid things all the time I just said it was wrong and he should apologize ,but the bigger issue is MSNBC and its hate speech.  If MSNBC wants to spend its time telling us why OReilly is so bad but allow its hosts to spew hate than that is their business but it should not get a free pass.

            Schuster, Matthews, Scarbrough, Carlson, Imus, Savage , Olbermann and the use of the word pimping and "lynching". That is an outrage also. 

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            • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 1:37 pm ET)
                 

              So what is your point? OReilly is a moron he says stupid things all the time I just said it was wrong and he should apologize

               

              No you did not. 

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              • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 1:42 pm ET)
                   
                I just did, wow you really want to defocus. Am I that important? Am I more important than hate speech at MSNBC? 
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                • Author by DorisRussell (February 21, 2008 1:43 pm ET)
                     

                  Sueeld, I would ignore Governor he obviously does not want a serious discussion. People like that feel that you must either agree one way or the other and if you do not than you are wrong. 

                   

                   

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                • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 1:47 pm ET)
                     
                  Oh, so when you wrote that you "said he should apologize" you were writing in the present tense.  Got it.
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          • Author by lostlogic (February 21, 2008 1:37 pm ET)
               
            The issue being discussed appears to be the reaction of others to BO comments.  The issue of what BO said was the direct issue of an earlier thread headlining what O'Reilly said at the start of yesterday's postings. 
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (February 21, 2008 1:24 pm ET)
         

      Context Sue.  Context.  It's not the WORD, it's the CONTEXT.  

      Bill-O was saying that the "lynching party" of [the (probable) future first lady of the United States] would be "legit" under certain circumstances.  (And he'll track it down!) 

      O'Niell was using the term metaphorically, describing a crowd's poten tial reaction to a singer on stage.  Clearly and EXAGERATION for humorous intent.

      I don't buy the line that "you CAN'T use this word or that word in a humorous way" but you have to damned careful how you do it.  (Esp with wordslike LYNCH)  O'Niell's use was not overlty racist and you'd be going out on a limb to say that it was.  O'Rielly use... I don't see how you can interpret it any other way! 

      It's the the WORD per se, in each case it was HOW the WORD was USED.

      (BTW - in general, although I LIKE Olbermann, I'm totally with you that he should go after Tucker, Matthews & others at MSNBC more often.  (Or AT ALL!)  But I'm sure that MSNBC put it in his contract that no one there can be named WPITW or whatever.  That's sad, but hardly his fault.)

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      • Author by NiceguyEddie (February 21, 2008 1:25 pm ET)
           

        That should say:

        It's not the WORD per se, in each case it was HOW the WORD was USED.

        Man, I wish you could edit!

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      • Author by dbeden4153 (February 21, 2008 2:20 pm ET)
           

        "(BTW - in general, although I LIKE Olbermann, I'm totally with you that he should go after Tucker, Matthews & others at MSNBC more often.  (Or AT ALL!)  But I'm sure that MSNBC put it in his contract that no one there can be named WPITW or whatever.  That's sad, but hardly his fault.)"
        -Niceguyeddie

        You know, that should put to rest Sue's calling for Olbermann to go after his own network.  I'm sure it's in his contract too, and since he works for NBC, it would only do harm to his career to put Carlson, Matthews, or anyone else on NBC in his WPITW segments.  

        The real problem here is NETWORKS.  As in "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!" A free and independent media can neither be free nor independent if they have to answer to shareholders.  

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    • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 21, 2008 1:28 pm ET)
         
      I think the context is important.  First, BO indicated he would be on board with a lynching of Mrs. Obama if there were proof she is not sufficiently proud of her country.  Second, I don't know about the Idol referred to by sue, but is he African American?  That would make a difference as well.  And finally, sue's research revealed someone using the word in relation to what others might do, not voicing their on desire to "lynch" someone.
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      • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 1:35 pm ET)
           

        This is what Eugene said

        The Washington Post's Eugene Robinson stated, "There's nothing funny about lynching"

        Yet Olbermann has allowed it on his show.  Where is the outrage?

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        • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 21, 2008 1:39 pm ET)
             

          You really can't see the difference between the two instances?

          Someone's on their chastising charger...

           

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          • Author by DorisRussell (February 21, 2008 1:46 pm ET)
               
            I see the word as a bad word , an ugly time in America. There is no difference. Sueeld is right.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 1:49 pm ET)
               
            I think the Chastising Charger's been rode hard & put in the barn, Ol' Ben. The Disoriented Donkey of Dementia seems to be all that's left
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            • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 21, 2008 1:52 pm ET)
                 
              Thanks Mr. 11 herbs & spices!  Now I gotta clean up the coffee I just splurted out on my keyboard!
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              • Author by worrierking (February 21, 2008 2:01 pm ET)
                   
                Thanks Benj and Col.

                I'm really enjoying the extent of the equine euphemisms.
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                • Author by Old_Benjamin (February 21, 2008 2:32 pm ET)
                     
                  It's fun!  I was waiting to drop the "malignity mule" but but nothing touches the Col. latest! 
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            • Author by AussieBob (February 22, 2008 4:48 am ET)
                 

              You're not just a troll/whatever, you're an artist Colonel.

              I love Solon's work too. 

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    • Author by truthseeker77 (February 21, 2008 1:51 pm ET)
         
      Lynching is used to mean 'piling up' on a person unfairly; but Robinson, whose column is the most predictable in the press corps, perhaps tied with Mauron Dowd, sees an evil intent in anything that is said about Barack Obama, whom he idolizes, or his pride-deficient wife.
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      • Author by Kyle_Broflovski (February 21, 2008 2:20 pm ET)
           

        Good call, Truthy Seeker.  Michelle Obama does have a deficiency in blind pride.  She also has a deficiency in:

        Envy

        Greed

        Sloth

        Wrath

        Gluttony

        Lust

        Now what do you have to say for yourself, sinner?

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    • Author by rtwmd1230 (February 21, 2008 1:58 pm ET)
         
      I do think MMFA sometimes weakens their original point (as in this case) by frequently adding a second posting when Olbermann chimes in and agrees with them. That puts them in the position of appearing to endorse Olbermann, which I don't think is part of their mission.
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      • Author by Sueelldd (February 21, 2008 2:09 pm ET)
           
        But that is how MMFA always comes across, as though Olbermann is on the MMFA payroll. Its disgraceful.
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        • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (February 21, 2008 3:23 pm ET)
             
          What's disgraceful is the line of logic, or lack thereof, that equates O'Reilly's statement with a discussion about an American Idol contestant.

          There is a big difference and you ought to be easily able to tell what it is.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (February 21, 2008 3:16 pm ET)
         

      Oh lord.

      Stuck in Lodi again.

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      • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (February 21, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
           
        We need an update of that song to include being stuck in stupid internet discussions about false equivalencies.
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      • Author by juliajayne (February 21, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
           

        WISH? I wish to know. Is it her mission in life to mitigate Fox's terrible blunders by always saying, but, but, but, but ......MSNBC said this, this, this and that. Like anybody thinks NBC and affilliates are some kind of liberal bastion? Like MMFA doesn't daily highlight MSNBC's misinformation and stupidity.

        Sue, was Eugene Robinson on the show that you sited above? Does he even have knowledge of it? I would be hard pressed to answer that question. Yet you think he's supposed to have outrage about something nearly 3 years ago that he may or may not have knowledge of? 

         

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 3:53 pm ET)
             

          WISH

          Is the "H" for "here" or "hatin'", JJ?

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          • Author by juliajayne (February 21, 2008 4:29 pm ET)
               

            I post, you decide. Maybe it was haranguging. Perhaps hamstringing (the discussion), perhaps hackneyed, perhaps hallucinating. Maybe hyperventilating, or hopeless. I think hopeless.

            And, KO and MSNBC are doo doo. Just in case ya forgot.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (February 21, 2008 3:36 pm ET)
         

      That was the inferrence.

      Sue's strong feelings do not convince me to give up on Obiemann. This is easy because I never get to see him anyway. The hate label is a bit like a bias call. It is exclusive to information. I might hate someone alot, but I can still listen and evaluate statements from the person, usually.

       

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    • Author by truthseeker77 (February 21, 2008 3:50 pm ET)
         
      And a key part of this debate was conveniently omitted by MMFA: O'reilly was defending Michelle regarding accusations that she feels no pride for our country. O'reilly became the first and perhaps the  only conservative who asked for hard evidence besides Michelle's gaffe. This undermine the "hate speech" theory, unless you want to argue that O'reilly intended to pre-empt his "lynching party" words by defending Michelle first; but if that is the theory, why has MMFA said nothing about Maureen Dowd recently copy and pasting a joke in which Hillary Clinton was called a "white bitsh"? And unlike O'reilly's attitude towards Michelle, we KNOW Dowd loathes Clinton, unless you have been living in another planet for the past decade or so.

       
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      • Author by Brabantio (February 21, 2008 3:56 pm ET)
           

        What exactly did they omit? 

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      • Author by johnny_nyc8351 (February 21, 2008 4:01 pm ET)
           
        O'Reilly wasn't defending anybody.

        He said he wasn't ready to go on a lynching party "unless there's evidence, hard facts, that say this is how the woman really feels", if Obama feels "that America is a bad country or a flawed nation, whatever -- then that's legit"

        That's right, O'Reilly said it's legit to go on a lynching party if Michelle Obama feels "America is a bad country or a flawed nation."

        I'd challenge O'Reilly to name one thing put together by human beings that isn't flawed but I doubt he'd know what I'm talking about.
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 4:04 pm ET)
           

        Defending her? As he reports the same twisted take as every other righty talker? But he withholds punishment, until he can gather more evidence to support his BS.

        Truthseeker, you're pretty easy to fool, aren't you?

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        • Author by truthseeker77 (February 21, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
             
          It is silly to insinuate that O'reilly wanted to literally lynch Michelle. It was a metaphore which was used in a paragraph where he defended her.
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          • Author by magnolialover (February 21, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
               

            Nice defense. Mention something that was a terrorist act perpetrated on American citizens by OTHER American citizens for the main reason of they were a different color.

            You know the old saying...

            With "friends" like O'Reilly, who needs enemies?

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          • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 4:20 pm ET)
               
            His willingness to go on a metaphorical "lynching party" for Mrs. Obama should he determine that she holds what he deems to be angry, un-American beliefs is a "threat" to her, not a "defense" of her.
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    • Author by juliajayne (February 21, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
         

      Doris, Gov does have a point. Sueld did say Billo just used a bad choice of words. In saying this she is mitigating Billy's abhorrent use of the word. She then defocuses the discussion onto KO and MSNBC. That is what she always does. It's obvious to all who come here often. The problem is many fold, not the least of which are the often and overused false equivilencies she uses. I mean KO's show is the least of the problems in the current media landscape. Yet here we are AGAIN discussing KO instead of Billo's stupid remarks. You have to understand why people would be disgusted and frustrated with her behavior.

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      • Author by magnolialover (February 21, 2008 4:23 pm ET)
           

        Not to mention her constant griping about MMFA not covering MSNBC is just not true:

        http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/tags/msnbc

        Again, we were allegedly discussing Bill O'Reilly's comments, not Olberman's. I'm thinking she needs to develop her own website, and she can post all she wants about how bad of a person KO is.

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        • Author by edenscape246494 (February 21, 2008 5:40 pm ET)
             

          Sue is a one trick pony that derails threads with her MSNBC obsession, posters get tired of it and let her know and then a few people feel bad and back her up with little to no specific rationale.  Is Olby perfect?  No, and neither are any of us.  The fact is that threads are derailed for a reason and I've just got to wonder about a poster that says yeah I dislike FOX but then derails every thread that actually takes them to task without ever, EVER providing a link to explain why something OFF topic is worse.  I've said it before and I'll say it again...

          IT WAS HIGH SCHOOL

          KEITH DIDN'T WANT TO DANCE

          GET OVER IT

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    • Author by truthseeker77 (February 21, 2008 4:56 pm ET)
         

      Note how the argument is now weaker, and can now summarized as follows: Bill O'reilly's willingness to viciously attack a person IF hard evidence is found that this person is not proud of America makes him deserving of a suspension.

      Of course, people have a right to feel no pride for their country and they do not deserve to be attacked because of this; but the original claim by many of you was that O'reilly somehow meant to run after Michelle with a pitch-fork or a lit torch, and therefore these comments are worse than past comments by O'reilly.

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (February 21, 2008 5:03 pm ET)
           

        Truthseeker-

        Whose argument is now weaker?

        Who (besides theright wing O'Reilly defenders) has expressed any confusion about "lynching" being used as a metaphor.

        If you're just trolling, disregard this. If not, I'm concerned.

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      • Author by Governor (February 21, 2008 5:05 pm ET)
           
        Bill O'Reilly used a racially charged epithet to threaten the wife of the man who may become our next President.
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    • Author by dazedandconfused26 (February 21, 2008 6:39 pm ET)
         
      It doesn't matter that O'Reilly meant a figurative lynching party. It's the terminology, even president numbnuts knows Lynching is a racially charged word, and Billdo is at least as smart as Bush, well maybe. Besides the fact that Michelle Obama is just as entitled to her feelings about America as O'Reilly is.
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    • Author by jrrrr (February 22, 2008 12:25 pm ET)
         
      O'Reilly's isn't keeping up with the times. He should have said I don't want to take part in a gang war against Michelle.  Lynching is so yesterday.  And speaking of lynching, there were approx 3500 blacks lynched as well as approx 1300 whites TOTAL, that's all of US lynching history.  LA gangs, alone, probably kill more than that annually.  Yet, here in the midst of all this violence, with its underreported over representation of black on black, and black on white violence, the media sits on its backside discussing whether or not the word "lynching" is politically correct. No wonder gangs are terrorizing American cities when this kind of "words, not deeds" "history, not current events"  social criticism is the only reprimand our biased media can permit. 
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