CNN report on "rumors" about Obama's patriotism did not mention efforts by Republicans to advance them
SUMMARY: CNN's Josh Levs reported on "rumors" about Sen. Barack Obama's "patriotism" that the Obama campaign "say[s] are lies," adding, "[T]hey're not sure where these rumors come from." Levs did not note that Republicans have begun using patriotism as an issue with which to attack Obama, even though a CNN.com article that same day reported that Obama "defended himself and his wife" when asked to respond to what was described as "an attempt by conservatives and Republicans to paint you as unpatriotic."
On the February 24 edition of CNN's Ballot Bowl '08 coverage of the presidential campaign, CNN correspondent Josh Levs reported on "rumors" about Sen. Barack Obama's "patriotism" that the Obama campaign "say[s] are lies." Levs stated, "What's going on is that there are some rumors out there about him, just in general in America, getting sent out by email. And he has been trying to fight those off." He later added, "Some are concerned they're not sure where these rumors come from." However, at no point did Levs note that Republicans have begun using patriotism as an issue with which to attack Obama. Levs' report contrasts with a February 24 article on CNN.com reporting that Obama "defended himself and his wife" when asked by a reporter to respond to what the reporter called "an attempt by conservatives and Republicans to paint you as unpatriotic."
The Associated Press reported on February 23 that "[c]onservative consultants" have said that patriotism "could be an issue for Obama in the general election." The article quoted "Republican consultant" Roger Stone saying that Americans will find "offensive" the photo of him "not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem." Stone added, "Barack Obama is out of the McGovern wing of the party, and he is part of the blame America first crowd." The AP also quoted Republican operative Keith Appell saying that McCain should "play up" that he "loves his country" when comparing himself to "Obama and his role in the anti-war movement." From the AP article:
Sen. Barack Obama's refusal to wear an American flag lapel pin along with a photo of him not putting his hand over his heart during the National Anthem led conservatives on Internet and in the media to question his patriotism.
Now Obama's wife, Michelle, has drawn their ire, too, for saying recently that she's really proud of her country for the first time in her adult life.
Conservative consultants say that combined, the cases could be an issue for Obama in the general election if he wins the nomination, especially as he runs against Vietnam war hero Sen. John McCain.
"The reason it hasn't been an issue so far is that we're still in the microcosm of the Democratic primary," said Republican consultant Roger Stone. "Many Americans will find the three things offensive. Barack Obama is out of the McGovern wing of the party, and he is part of the blame America first crowd."
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Officials with the McCain campaign and the Republican Party say they won't be suggesting Obama is less than patriotic, and instead plan to focus their criticisms on his record and inexperience if he wins the nomination. Well-funded outside groups, however, consider anything fair game.
Conservative Republican consultant Keith Appell, who worked with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, said Obama's opposition to the war will create a "striking contrast between McCain the war hero and Obama the poster child for the anti-war movement."
"If you are McCain, you want to play up the decorated war hero, loves his country, served his country," Appell said. "You want to play those themes up as much as possible, especially in comparison to Obama and his role in the anti-war movement."
Further, as TPM Media editor and publisher Josh Marshall noted, on the February 22 edition of HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher, Rep. Jack Kingston (R-GA) also raised the issue of Obama's patriotism, saying that Obama "won't put an American flag lapel pin on his coat" and falsely claiming that Obama "would not say the Pledge of Allegiance." Kingston went on to assert that we need to know where Obama "stand[s] on America."
Also during the February 22 Real Time segment, Kingston falsely claimed that Michelle Obama "hasn't said anything" about her remark, "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change." In fact, as the AP reported on February 20, Mrs. Obama said of those remarks: "What I was clearly talking about was that I'm proud in how Americans are engaging in the political process. ... For the first time in my lifetime, I'm seeing people rolling up their sleeves in a way that I haven't seen and really trying to figure this out -- and that's the source of pride that I was talking about."
From the 5 p.m. ET hour of the February 24 edition of CNN's Ballot Bowl '08:
LEVS: Barack Obama, meanwhile, is fighting something else. Not just something from -- from -- not in this case, something from the Clinton campaign, but an email rumor that's out there about him. Look at what he said today.
OBAMA [video clip]: First it was my name. Right? That was a problem. And then there was the Muslim email thing. And that's not -- hasn't worked out so well. And now it's the patriotism thing.
LEVS: OK. The patriotism thing. What's going on is that there are some rumors out there about him, just in general in America, getting sent out by email. And he has been trying to fight those off. So, you know, thinking behind Ballot Bowl -- unfiltered, right? So one thing that we get to do is show you how the candidates reach out to people -- to potential supporters, to potential voters -- partly on the stump, but also through their websites. And what I'm going to show you right now is how each is using a website to try to fight some of what they say are lies out there about them.
I'm going to start off right here, this computer behind me, with Barack Obama, with what calls his fact check. This is right here. This is him focusing on patriotism. If you look right here, Barack Obama's fact check website, he lists over here: focus on religion, focus on patriotism. I've pull up the patriotism page just to show you how far this has gone. He lists some of his experience, his grandfather teaching him the Pledge of Allegiance, because there was a rumor out there about him not putting his hand on his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance.
So look at this: He actually put up YouTube videos of him saying the Pledge of Allegiance. That's how far they're going to try to fight off some of these rumors.
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LEVS: And, Jim, you know, we've been talking a lot about these complaints, about the back-and-forth, about how many things they have to face. And it's interesting to note that not only are they facing, you know, these challenges from each other, but also these broader rumors out there that aren't necessarily coming from the opposite campaign. Like what Obama's dealing with today with this patriotism issue.
Some are concerned it could affect either of them in the general election. Some are concerned they're not sure where these rumors come from. But not only do they have to battle what they feel are unfair attacks from each other, but they have to constantly be battling what they feel are unfair attacks in general out there in America.
So I know you're seeing that from the campaigns right there in person. I'm seeing how they're using their websites to do it. And I'll tell you, they update those things sometimes every hour because it's that critical to them at this stage -- Jim.
JIM ACOSTA (anchor): Absolutely, Josh. Thanks for keeping an eye on that. We appreciate it very much.
From the February 22 edition of HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher:
KINGSTON: But what she was saying in terms of, "the first time in my adult life, I'm proud of my country" --
MAHER: Right.
KINGSTON: Here's a woman who's, what, Harvard-educated, Yale, married to a U.S. senator, she's done real well, and now she's proud of her country?
MAHER: Well, I --
KINGSTON: She's proud of it because they're voting for him. That's just, I think, a careless statement to say. But, you know, she could have jumped up and said, "You know, that's not what I meant to say, and I'm sorry people are twisting it, and this is politics." But she hasn't said anything.
MAHER: But she -- but -- you're right. If she had said, "You know what, I'm prouder than ever in my country," it would have been better. But then -- see, I have a little experience with this because I once got thrown off network TV for saying something, and then -- wait a second -- and then the other guy, Ari Fleischer -- you were probably in the White House when he was the press secretary for Bush -- he said something just as stupid, you know, just as careless. The words weren't exactly right. He said, "Americans need to watch what they say," which sounded like Stalin had taken over our government. You know, Bill O'Reilly reacted to this by saying, "I'm not going to lynch her unless the evidence gives that -- ." You know, when are we going to --
KINGSTON: Bill, Bill, I agree. Listen, I'm in Washington, D.C., and I'll tell you, it is paranoid. You are -- you have -- anything you say --
MAHER: So let it go.
KINGSTON: -- can be used against you, but the thing that she did not do and still has not done now for three days is to explain what she meant. And it would have been that simple just to say, "You know what, this is a great country and I'm just proud that people really are getting involved in this election." That would have been the end of it. Instead, through [David] Axelrod, the campaign manager, to let him be her spokesman, they've let this thing grow. And when you combine that with the fact that the guy would not say the Pledge of Allegiance and won't put an American lapel pin on his coat, that's things voters are watching --
MAHER: Well --
KINGSTON: -- and it's because this Democrat primary --
MAHER: Wait. Wait a second. He won't say the Pledge of Allegiance?
KINGSTON: Well, the famous picture of him standing while Bill Richardson, Hillary Clinton have their hand over their heart, saluting the flag during the Pledge and Obama has his hands deliberately down -- that is disturbing to Americans.
MAHER: Deliberately down? He's not like this, is he? [grasps crotch]
KINGSTON: Uh --
MAHER: He's not doing, like, a Michael Jackson?
KINGSTON: Bill, you know my mama watches this show --
MAHER: All right. Sorry.
KINGSTON: -- but -- but you know, the concern is -- is -- you know, this guy is applying for the number-one cheerleading slot for the United States of America. Where do they stand on America? What is their relationship?
MAHER: Well, that's the question I was originally asking: Is America the greatest country in the world, bar none? Do we have to think that way? Or is it enough to just think it's the greatest for us? We live here. I'm not asking to leave. I don't want to go anywhere else. But why can't America be the greatest country for Americans and Denmark be the greatest country for the Danes?















After seeing this segment on HBO I’ve lost all respect for Bill Maher. He has no right hosting a political talk show. Apparently he hasn’t stepped outside the Playboy mansion long enough lately to know the candidates – much more the truth about what’s being said about any of them. He sat there during this last show and let these 2 guys rattle off one wingnut lie after another (as pointed out in this story). I don’t even know who the woman in the middle was but don’t think she said more than a few sentences all night. Even if lazyass Maher couldn’t produce some counterpunches, he could at least have had the fairness and decency to bring on at least one quest who did.
I also saw Maher on Larry King last week and he wasn’t even aware of a few of the latest breaking campaign “scandals” that King brought up for discussion. The guy should either do his homework or get his sorry a$$ off the air.
Maher is the dude who said on the air that he wished a Taliban assassination attempt against the VP of the USA had succeeded. You expect him to know anything about how to communicate patriotism - he doesn't have any himself.
I haven't heard Obama repudiate the Che flags in his Texas campaign office yet, either. This is '72 all over again for the Dems, except that Obama is way left of McGovern. In '72, the GOP won every state but Mass, I think.
Ed,
Put your money where your mouth is. I'll give you 20-1 odds that Obama carries more than one state and bet you $1000 right now. Put up or shut up. Easy money Ed, $20,000 if Obama/Clinton win only one state, $1,000 to me if they don't. Do we have a deal?
I never heard Bush distance himself from the racism at Bob Jones University, in fact, he spoke there. Does that make him a racist?
"This is a volunteer office that is not in any way controlled by the Obama campaign. We were disappointed to see this picture because it is both offensive to many Cuban-Americans -- and Americans of all backgrounds -- and because it does not reflect Senator Obama’s views. Barack Obama has been very clear in putting forward a Cuba policy that is based on one principle: freedom for the Cuban people." -- Obama Campaign
LOL
Heheh...egg-zackly.
And the truth shall keep the trolls at bay.
It's really sad that both Clinton and Obama need a whole section of their website dedicated entirely to just dispelling myths and lies.
On the other hand, I am ecstatic that the www has the increased viewership and the software has matured enough since the last 2 elections for this type of fact-checking to be easily available to most voters. It really is a whole new ballgame - Not only does it allow the real truths to be told, but it exposes the extent and extremities of the right-wing hate machine, thereby "turning off" many voters who plainly see these tactics as a big part of the whole Republican ideology. For many voters this fall, their choice will not so much be a validation for the Democratic candidate as it is a vote against Republicans.
Two suggestions I would make to Obama are:
1. Be more public about dispelling crazy allegations...not just on his website.
2. Respond specifically and in detail as often as possible...not just once.
3. Use humor to deflate the craziest allegations...make fun of the allegations and the accusers.
4. Turn it around on John McCain such as by pointing out in detail how McCain was slimed by George W. Bush's people in 2000...and how McCain then hired the same Bush people to work for him.
One thing for certain is that Obama needs to respond quickly, publicly and often and not allow what happened to John Kerry to happen to him.
I totally agree with all your points, Irony! I said months ago, when it was just Hillary getting the slams, that she should start each morning with a press conference listing and dispelling each of the lies that was said or written about her the previous day.
Your point about using humor is the biggest rule - otherwise you know he will just get the "whining crybaby" label if he sounds scolding and too serious.
I haven't heard Obama repudiate the Che flags in his Texas campaign office yet, either.
Then you haven't been paying attention...
http://tinyurl.com/3xoel9
Troll elsewhere. Your gang is finished.
"Maher is the dude who said on the air that he wished a Taliban assassination attempt against the VP of the USA had succeeded"
And, of course, the fact that that is a total, 100% LIE notwithstanding, it's imperative for rightwingers to make these "points", regardless of the fact that there is no truth to them whatsoever.
Ever since Reagan and deregulation, no lie, no matter how vile or baseless like the one this rightwing tool tried to pass off as a "fact" (no doubt repeating what some other rightwing, scumbag like Limbaugh or Hannity made up out of whole cloth), never gets called out for being what it is - a LIE! It's because of overt lies (like 'Saddam and Al Qeada were in cahoots') by the rightwing that landed the the US in an utterly pointless and lie-based war in Iraq. Even when the rightwinger's lies lead to thousands of US troops deaths - as draftdodger George W Bush's lies have - these gutless, lying scumbags STILL won't stop lying and making up utter nonsense!!! .. But I'm sure John 'Straightshooter' McCain will clean up the GOP's notorious image as a fact-free political oragnization!
I didn’t know what to make of that comment as I don’t really follow Maher all that much. I’m glad you spoke out with the truth.
Your argument, of course makes total sense, but it doesn’t matter to these scumbags. All that matters is that he (or she?) got the lie published near the top of this thread where it is most likely to be read and repeated. (I almost feel guilty for perhaps egging this poster on with my first post.)
For the record – for most of the things that Maher is willing to talk out on and expose, he is a hero of mine. I’m just saying that lately – especially with this last show, he really missed the boat.
Ed if you're comparing those two elections, and claiming that Obama is today's McGovern, who does that make McCain?
Oh but Irony, how will we be able to identify the commie libs without the Jingometer??? We KNOW libs are unpatriotic, so Col.’s invention is perfect! Then we go with your plans, of course. We can even make them all wear ankle bracelets with GPS tracking and special license plates on their automobiles. The country is SAVED! Finally!!!
Easy way to get around the Jingo-meter.
1.) Place American flags around your house, property, wherever. Leave them up 24/7, unlighted and during bad weather. Make sure you purchase an American flag mousepad somewhere along the way as well.
2.) Purchase 2-3 yellow ribbon "Support the Troop" magnets for your extra large SUV, and then make sure that you drive around all day long with those on there.
3.) Go shopping. A LOT! This makes America strong.
4.) Refuse to eat and or drink anything French. This will include, but won't be limited to: French fries (even though they're Belgian, they have "French" in the name), French Bread, Frech Dressing, and so on and so forth. You get the idea. A caveat, if you change the word "French" to "Freedom" or "Liberty", you can eat and drink what you want.
5.) Wiretap your neighbors, without warrants.
6.) Buy as many handguns, rifles, and shotguns that you can. You ain't 'Merican unless you have some guns. Also, get the "When they pry it from my cold dead hands" bumper sticker from the gun shop. You know that they have them there.
7.) Agree with everything Bush does, and or says, just because either Britney Spears told you so, or because we're at so called "war".
8.) Make fun of war heroes and their military service (see for example, Max Cleland, John Kerry, John McCain, Jack Murtha).
9.) Tell someone on the floor of the Senate to "F" off.
10.) Shoot someone in the face, and have your victim apologize to YOU.
That should cover the Jingo-meter quite nicely. Oh, and forgot..
11.) Wear a flag lapel pin no matter WHAT you are wearing.
Very funny stuff, Magnolia...
Where I live the city, and many of us, are historically of French heritage so it's not uncommon to see symbols of France commemorating the city's history and heritage. I sometimes fly a French flag outside my house just to p1ss off my right wing neighbors... ;>)
By the way I like to Freedom kiss my wife as often as I can... ;>)
Thank you, thank you. Well, being one of French heritage and all, yeah, sometimes the "pick on the French" thing gets under my craw. Where I grew up, large contingent of French background folks (we crept down from Canada and before that, Normandy region). Actually, when I went to kindergarten class, several of my classmates couldn't speak English, their parents only spoke French, and even know, many years later, their parents still can only speak French.
Seems as though when folks criticize the French, they seem to forget that if it weren't for them, we probably wouldn't have won the Revolutionary war, you know, SMALL things like that. We wouldn't have that grand statue sitting in NY's harbor either, but hey, Freedom Fries it is!
Are you serious? My ancestors are from Normandy via Canada, too. We may be cousins... Vive la France!
Uhh, sorry...I meant USA! USA! USA!... ;>)
Magnolia, does Avoyelles Parish ring a bell?
If we enhancedly interrogate them, we can get them to give us the names of pro football players, like McCain did in Vietnam.
True, the info he provided had nothing to do with the war that was going at the time, but it proves that torture does work.
Yep, round'em up... And I know of a great place to put them. We could build a gigantic holding facility for them in the vast emptiness that used to be the Lower 9th Ward in New Orleans. That way the Republicans could not be accused of turning their backs on the rebuilding of New Orleans. ;>)
I said it before on the CNN Poll thread...
"Anyone notice the photo of former Pres. GHWB endorsing Sen. McCain? You can find it at MSNBC...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23222576/displaymode/1176/rstry/23222046/
I don't see a pin on either lapel."
So once again if it is repeated often enough it becomes true? Why aren't Pres. GHWB and Sen. McCain questioned about their lack of patriotism?
"Why aren't Pres. GHWB and Sen. McCain questioned about their lack of patriotism?"
Because no one in the liberal media would have the balls to ask them why they weren't wearing American flag pins...as Obama was specifically asked. Anyway, I don't know if it's true that McCain gave his pin to Vicki Iseman. ;>)
Yup.
So Sen. McCain and Ms. Iseman are "pinned"? Isn't that some kind of throwback to the 50s? I mean the "pinning", not the Senator. :)
Is there some policy question out there that we can debate instead of who pinned who?
"Is there some policy question out there that we can debate...?"
Sorry, pal...you're in the wrong country. USA! USA! USA!... ;>)
OK, let me try this out...
Either..."We really need to address the economic concerns of those living in poverty..."
Or...USA! USA! USA!
Yeah, that IS much easier! Just four keys and you can copy/paste! Thanks, Irony, you've made my life a WHOLE lot easier! USA! USA! USA! :)
My pleasure.. The beauty of it is that you're never required to think. ;>)
USA! USA! USA!...
It's also true that during this photo, a Marine band was playing the National Anthem AND at the same time, George W. was off to the side reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. You'll note former President Bush, former first lady, Babs, Senator McCain and his second wife are not only NOT wearing their U.S. flag lapel pins, their hands are nowhere near their hearts, they are obviously ignoring the pledge and not singing along to the anthem. Their lack of patriotism is shameful. Why do they hate America?