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Wash. Post's Milloy mischaracterized Bill Clinton's "fairy tale" comment

February 28, 2008 6:09 pm ET

SUMMARY: The Washington Post's Courtland Milloy mischaracterized a comment by former President Bill Clinton to suggest that Clinton dismissed Sen. Barack Obama's presidential candidacy as a "fairy tale." In fact, in the comment Milloy cited -- "Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen" -- Clinton was referring to Obama's statements about his position on the Iraq war.

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In his February 27 Washington Post column, Courtland Milloy mischaracterized a quote by former President Bill Clinton to falsely suggest that Clinton said Sen. Barack Obama's campaign for president was a "fairy tale." Milloy wrote: " 'Give me a break,' cried Bill, frustrated by the spell that Barack had cast over the campaign. 'The whole thing is a fairy tale.' " In fact, Clinton's January 7 comment -- "Give me a break. This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen" -- referred to Obama's statements about his position on the Iraq war, not the Obama campaign itself. In a January 13 piece for The New York Times' Week In Review section, reporter Mark Leibovich noted that in using the words "fairy tale," Clinton "was referring specifically to the perception that Mr. Obama was totally pure in his opposition to the Iraq war."

Media Matters for America has noted other instances in which the media have misreported Clinton's statement, including The Washington Post.

From the January 7 campaign event with Bill Clinton, as transcribed by Congressional Quarterly:

QUESTION: Thanks. One of the things that Senator Obama talks about a lot is judgment and I'm curious to hear your thoughts on the recent criticism of Mark Penn, who is Hillary's chief strategist, who's been criticized for being somewhat out of touch with reality.

For instance, he circulated a memo about Iowa, saying "Where's the balance," [sic: bounce] and then the next day, there was a 12-point jump for Obama.

CLINTON: He was wrong. He was wrong about that, because the balance [sic] always occurs on the second day, not the first day. It always occurs on the second day, not the first day.

But since you raised the judgment issue, let's go over this again. That is the central argument for his campaign. "It doesn't matter that I started running for president less than a year after I got to the Senate from the Illinois state senate. I am a great speaker and a charismatic figure and I am the only one that had the judgment to oppose this floor [sic: war] from the beginning, always, always, always."

First, it is factually not true that everybody that supported that resolution supported Bush attacking Iraq before the U.N. inspectors withdrew. Chuck Hagel [NE] was one of the co-authors of that resolution, the only Republican Senator that always opposed the war, every day, from the get-go.

He authored the resolution to say that Bush could go to war only if they didn't cooperate with the inspectors and he was assured personally by [then-National Security Adviser] Condi Rice, as many of the other Senators were. So, first, the case is wrong that way.

Second, it is wrong that Senator Obama got to go through 15 debates trumpeting his superior judgment and how he had been against the war in every year, enumerating the years and never got asked one time, not once, "Well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution? You said in 2004 there was no difference between you and George Bush on the war and you took that speech you're now running on off your Web site in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and Hillary's ever since."

Give me a break.

[applause]

This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen. So you can talk about Mark Penn all you want. What did you think about the Obama thing, calling Hillary the "Senator from Punjab?" Did you like that? Or what about the Obama handout that was covered up, the press never reported on, implying that I was a crook, scouring me, scathing criticism over my financial reports.

[Former independent counsel] Ken Starr spent $70 million and indicted innocent people to find out that I wouldn't take a nickel to see the cow jump over the moon. So you can take a shot at Mark Penn if you want, it wasn't his best day. He was hurt, he felt badly we didn't do better in Iowa.

But, you know, the idea that one of these campaigns is positive and other is negative, when I know the reverse is true and I have seen it and I have been blistered by it for months, is a little tough to take. Just because of the sanitizing coverage that's in the media doesn't mean the facts aren't out there.

[applause]

Otherwise, I do not have any strong feelings about that subject.

[laughter]

Go ahead. I've got to take a question back here and then I -- go ahead.

From Milloy's February 27 Washington Post column:

Once upon a time, an audacious black man named Barack Obama decided to run for president of the United States. But a former president, a white man named Bill, wanted former first lady Hillary to have the job.

Or maybe not, because Bill began saying things that hurt his wife's chances.

"Give me a break," cried Bill, frustrated by the spell that Barack had cast over the campaign. "The whole thing is a fairy tale."

When black voters got wind of Bill's incantations, they became angry. They thought Bill was trying to make Barack's quest into a black magic fable. So they put a hex on Hillary's campaign and made Barack their favorite son.

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    • Author by Clevenative (February 28, 2008 6:37 pm ET)
         

      Just another example of a story that is "out there" where the wingnut spun version is already accepted as fact. I’m sure very few sources other than MM even recognize this as a lie anymore.

      I have a feeling that if Hillary is eliminated from the election race you are going to start hearing from Bill Clinton more than when she was in it - or than any other time in his lifetime. This guy is like a Champaign bottle that's been shaken for a full 12 months. Once he doesn't have to temper his words in fear of hurting Hillary's image he will let loose on the Republican propaganda machine like a fire hose in Watts.

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      • Author by lostlogic (February 28, 2008 6:40 pm ET)
           
        It wasn't just the republicans who ran with this lie...the Obama camp and many of his surrogates and supporters did too.  It was really unfortunate...and flat out race baiting.
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        • Author by Clevenative (February 28, 2008 6:53 pm ET)
             

          I never said it was just Republicans parroting the lies. As far as either Hillary or Obama borrowing some wingnut talking points to smear the other - they're both guilty of it. This IS politics, I don't condone it - but I can't that say I don't expect it either.

          I'll sure be glad when the primaries are over and we can all kiss and make up and unite as a family again.:)

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          • Author by spooky3 (February 28, 2008 7:11 pm ET)
               
            Milloy, who is black, is an Obama supporter. He has been criticized in the past by Post readers and others for, if not race-baiting, interpreting events in controversial ways.
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            • Author by carlileb5935 (February 29, 2008 1:59 am ET)
                 

              Like this:

              When black voters got wind of Bill's incantations, they became angry. They thought Bill was trying to make Barack's quest into a black magic fable. So they put a hex on Hillary's campaign and made Barack their favorite son.

              This is completely nuts. Where do these guys come up with these things? I love the black magic-- which is imagery that's at cross-purposes to the point he's trying to make, too. 

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          • Author by lostlogic (February 28, 2008 7:11 pm ET)
               

            Clev, I agree with you they have both used political tricks...and frankly that doesn't bother me much...I've talked about it before on other threads.  But the racial allegations begun with this incident did bother me and I still bother me and I think they had a spiral effect and I hope that reason will return after the primaries and these allegation are regulated to where they belong--spewing from the mouth of right wingers (-: 

            I really do believe we will be together for the nominee it is too important.  I know sometimes I can be critical of  Obama and with the exception of the racial allegations I really do recognize that my anger is misdirected most of the time...I am mad at the media for the most part and Obama just gets caught up in the issue.  Rest assured I will cast my vote for Obama if he is the nominee...I will not switch and I will not sit out.  If nothing else I am pragmatic and at the end of the day I will not spite myself by emotionally sulking in the perverbial corner (-:

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            • Author by Clevenative (February 28, 2008 7:29 pm ET)
                 

              To both you and Spook - I have always been a Hillary fan, still am I guess - but I've given up on the possibility. I've followed the primaries and really have to say that I never thought the "fairy tale" reference was meant any other way than how Bill Clinton said it and later re-explained it.

              Or am I missing the crux of your anger? 

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              • Author by lostlogic (February 28, 2008 7:37 pm ET)
                   
                Clev, I don't understand your post...what anger...there was no anger directed at you from me if that is what you mean...if not then I am not sure what you mean /-:
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                • Author by Clevenative (February 28, 2008 10:05 pm ET)
                     
                  Both of you brought up race-baiting. I'm wondering how you guys find any racial motive in the fairy tale comment? Or are you both talking about other incidents?
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                  • Author by lostlogic (February 28, 2008 10:36 pm ET)
                       

                    Clev, you misunderstood what I was saying...probably my inability to get my point across with clarity anyone but myself gets (-:  The race baiting I was referring to was those who tried to turn the fairy tale comment into a racial comment...that is what I meant by race baiting...trying to use accusations of racism to smear Clinton.  The media did it egged on by Donna Brazile and the Obama camp then exploited it like when Michelle Obama used it in her speech to continue to foster the perception to her audience.  I understand that you exploit any weekness you see in your oponent and you always characterise there words and positions in the light most unfavorable but I feel to do it on an issue like racism is going over the line.  That was the point I was making...I hope I clarified /-:

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                    • Author by spooky3 (February 28, 2008 11:12 pm ET)
                         
                      I agree with you. And I think the wrong in this same tactic was compounded by Milloy's distortion by omission, as noted in my reply to Cleve. It's not that Clinton's comment was racist; it is the motivation for Malloy's distortion that is, in my opinion.
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                    • Author by Clevenative (February 29, 2008 6:50 am ET)
                         

                      OK, so we all agree - the story is valid and Malloy's an idiot. <group hug>

                      That's what I get for posting late at night when the brain fog is starting to set in.:) 

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                  • Author by spooky3 (February 28, 2008 11:09 pm ET)
                       

                    Hi, sorry my post was unclear also. Maybe I can clarify. Milloy brings in race in his first paragraph in his column, noting that Clinton is white, then immediately misrepresents (largely by omission) Clinton's comments. 

                    I completely agree with you that anyone who heard or read all of Clinton's comments in context could not possibly have reasonably interpreted them as Milloy did. So what is motivating him to distort what Clinton said? Milloy is not coming from a rightwing perspective, so he's not doing it to pump up the rightwingers. He would probably be considered quite liberal by many people. But that doesn't mean he's unbiased when it comes to his comments about other progressives, including Clinton. 

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        • Author by carlileb5935 (February 29, 2008 3:26 am ET)
             

          And check this out. Then look at the angry, outraged, intolerant comments from Obama supporters-- who, like the press, just make things up:

          http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304 

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    • Author by Dem02020 (February 28, 2008 6:42 pm ET)
         

       

      In the interest of clearing up the complete and original context of any "fairy tale" reference, here are the abridged lryics of the song "Young At Heart", sung by Sinatra and written by I don't know who, maybe Frank... but it's as charming a song as you've ever heard, if you'll just sing it right (and imagine it here, to your mind's ear... and if you're sufficiently young at heart).

      [Think Sinatra]

       

      "Fairy tales can come true, it can happen to you

      If you’re young at heart

       

      For it’s hard, you will find, to be narrow of mind

       

      You can go- to extremes- with impossible schemes

      You can laugh- when your dreams- fall apart at the seams

       

      Don’t you know- that it’s worth- every treasure on earth

      For as rich- as you are- it’s much better by far

       

      To be young at heart

       

      And if you should survive- to 105

      Look at all you’ll derive- out of being alive

       

      Then here is the best part

       

      You have a head start

       

      If you are

      among

      the very young

      at heart

       

      [I hate the present tone and sound of Political Discourse, and am always looking for a lyrical break from it]

       

       

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    • Author by mefirst (February 28, 2008 6:58 pm ET)
         
      why are writers for major newpapers writing things like this?  that's their job, to know this stuff.  
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      • Author by lostlogic (February 28, 2008 7:13 pm ET)
           
        Oh...I thought there job was to set the agenda and framework with which we should view all things...and tell us what to think and who to like and not like. (-;
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      • Author by Clevenative (February 28, 2008 7:20 pm ET)
           

        Milloy knows the story - you're being sarcastic, no? or just naive?

        He goes to bed knowing his quote is not a lie - it's also not the whole truth, or even close. How do we argue what Clinton's thoughts were at the time -as "Milloy the mindreader" tries to convey them to his readers? Prove him wrong. I'm not sure how guys like this live with themselves really.

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