Savage: "[W]hy are there no queries being provoked about Saddam Hussein -- I mean, Barack Hussein Obama?"
SUMMARY: Michael Savage repeatedly referred to Sen. Barack Obama as "Barack Hussein Obama" and asked, "[W]hy are there no queries being provoked by Saddam Hussein -- I mean, Barack Hussein Obama?" Savage continued: "If, after all, the arch-enemy of Iraq, his name was Saddam Hussein, isn't it logical that us stupid Americans would like to know why the man who would be president has a name that's similar to our -- to our enemy in Iraq, Hussein?"
On the February 28 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage repeatedly referred to Sen. Barack Obama as "Barack Hussein Obama" and asked, "[W]hy are there no queries being provoked by Saddam Hussein -- I mean, Barack Hussein Obama?" Savage noted a February 28 New York Times article on the constitutional question of whether Sen. John McCain's Panama Canal Zone birth made him ineligible to become president. He then stated: "But why are there no queries being provoked about Saddam Hussein -- I mean, Barack Hussein Obama? If, after all, the arch-enemy of Iraq, his name was Saddam Hussein, isn't it logical that us stupid Americans would like to know why the man who would be president has a name that's similar to our -- to our enemy in Iraq, Hussein?" Savage continued: "I mean, let's turn it around. We just killed Adolf Hitler, and now a man is running for president, and his name happens to be, let us say, Harry Hitler Jones. Say, wow, wait a minute, why would his name be Harry Hitler Jones? How dare you raise the question of his middle name being Hitler!" Additionally, speaking with a caller, Savage asked: "Why is he named for Saddam Hussein -- I mean, the same name as Saddam Hussein?"
Later in the program, Savage stated: "Is Hussein a Christian saint? We're hearing over and over again that we can't ask about his middle name Hussein, Barack Hussein Obama. And yet I've asked myself, if he's a Christian why does he have a name Hussein, and who is Hussein? Hussein is the grandson of Mohammed, nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with it at all." He added: "So what he should say is, 'I'm proud of my middle name Hussein, I was named for Hussein by my father because Hussein is the grandson of Mohammed, and I'm proud of my Muslim heritage, and I'm a moderate Muslim and I totally oppose radical Islam. And I'll fight with all my heart to defeat the enemy. In fact, I might be able to fight better.' " Savage has frequently attacked Obama, on one occasion falsely referring to him as "Barack Madrassas Obama" and, more recently, asserting that "[w]e have a right to know if he's a so-called friendly Muslim or one who aspires to more radical teachings." Obama is not a Muslim. The Obama campaign website states that Obama "has never been a Muslim, was not raised a Muslim, and is a committed Christian who attends the United Church of Christ."
Savage also stated during the broadcast: "If a would-be president of the United States has a Muslim first and a Muslim second name, surely we have an obligation, have a minor right, we have a duty to ask him, where does he stand on the issue of terrorism? Where does he stand on the issue of Israel? Where does he stand on the -- so many issues facing America today?"
Additionally, Savage falsely claimed that Obama "has not disavowed his connections" to Nation of Islam founder Louis Farrakhan. Savage said: "So we have an obligation to ask him what he thinks about an endorsement of Obama by the Nation of Islam Jew-hater Louis Farrakhan. We have an obligation to ask Saddam -- I mean Obama Hussein Obama what he thinks about Farrakhan, who has called Judaism a gutter religion, why he has not disavowed his connections. Now, we hear that it is an untrue charge that he is a Muslim. Fair enough. But he has two Muslim names, so why are we not allowed to ask this question? Why? Why is it inappropriate?" Earlier, Savage said: "The fact that he's been endorsed by Louis Farrakhan, which I don't think he's disavowed, by the way. Doesn't that bother you?"
In fact, Obama has repeatedly denounced Farrakhan's statements and said during the February 26 Democratic presidential debate that he "would reject and denounce" Farrakhan's support. During the show, Savage also falsely claimed that Obama attends a "black-only church."
Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, says that Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches more than 8 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the February 28 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: So they want to know if he can run for the presidency, even though he served America, flew jets for America, was tortured by the Vietnamese for America, paid nearly the ultimate price for America. But the pervert, coward, communist scum at The New York Times write an article, "McCain's Canal Zone Birth Provokes Queries about Whether That Rules Him Out." Queries? Well, it's close to the appropriate word, because it begins with Q-U-E. Ah, but I don't think it promotes queries, I think it promotes something else. I think it provokes something else that begins with a Q-U-E. I'm not talking about the QU2, or the QE2.
But why are there no queries being provoked about Saddam Hussein -- I mean, Barack Hussein Obama? If, after all, the arch-enemy of Iraq, his name was Saddam Hussein, isn't it logical that us stupid Americans would like to know why the man who would be president has a name that's similar to our -- to our enemy in Iraq, Hussein? I mean, let's turn it around. We just killed Adolf Hitler, and now a man is running for president, and his name happens to be, let us say, Harry Hitler Jones. Say, wow, wait a minute, why would his name be Harry Hitler Jones? How dare you raise the question of his middle name being Hitler! That's irrelevant, that his father named him for Hitler! How dare you ask whether his father named him Hitler or not. It doesn't matter if his middle name is Hitler or not. It doesn't matter because he's not a Nazi, he's only a descendant of Germany. How dare you raise such a question. So I'm gonna raise such a question.
Is Hussein a Christian saint? No, he's the grandson of Mohammed. So if a man, whose name -- whose middle name is for the grandson of -- of the founder of Islam, there's nothing wrong with that. There are many, many hundreds of millions of Muslims who are not fanatics, we know that. But why doesn't he just answer the question, and say, "Yes, I am a Christian, my father was a Muslim for a while, we lived in Indonesia, my grandfather was a Muslim for a while" -- I guess for a while, it's always been for a while, I -- but he has a record of associating with bagmen and criminals. See, what interests me more is, rather than Hussein, is his association with bagmen and criminals in Chicago, tons of money coming in out of the Middle East, he goes to the only radical black-only church -- that's right, a racist, radical, black-only church, he comes from a city with dirty politics, he supports radical Muslim groups, he's questionable about Israel. Why in the world would I not ask these questions about Barack Hussein Obama? Why not?
[...]
SAVAGE: So why is it therefore inappropriate to ask him whether Hussein is an issue or not? Let him just answer it.
CALLER: It's not --
SAVAGE: I don't understand it. I mean, if that was my middle name, and I was a moderate Christian who had a Muslim father, I would say that. I'd say, "That was the name I was given, and I'm proud of it." Why is he hiding it?
CALLER: -- problem. It's not so much that's he's hiding it, it's so much that we were at war with Saddam Hussein, and that was the name --
SAVAGE: Oh, well, there you go again. That's why I'm asking you. Why is he named for Saddam Hussein -- I mean, the same name as Saddam Hussein?
[...]
SAVAGE: But it's not about his middle name that bothers me. Oh, no, there are many other things that bother me about O-soma. His record of associating with bagmen and criminals. His membership in a radical, black-only church. The fact that he has the worldwide support of every Muslim group. The fact that he's been endorsed by Louis Farrakhan, which I don't think he's disavowed, by the way. Doesn't that bother you? Now let me turn it around on you liberals who can't use your brains any more because you lost them a long time ago or you wouldn't be a liberal. What if John McCain's middle name was Jesus? Now, what if his name was John Jesus McCain, and the Democrat candidate said, "John Jesus McCain. Why is your middle name Jesus?" Do you think Hillary Clinton would say, "Absolutely unfair to ask to him why his middle name is Jesus. It has no reference whatsoever." But what if John McCain's middle name was Jesus, John Jesus McCain? Would his middle name in that case be an issue? I think so. Why, I think even The New York Times might find John Jesus McCain an issue. I mean, that's if his name -- you see, I can think, and that's why I'm a danger to the establishment. I am the savage in Brave New World when I think about it.
[...]
SAVAGE: Well, we can close this hour out where we began hour number one, which is the issue of the Tennessee Grand Old Party pulling the Hussein Obama story and the Obama photo from the fiery anti-Semite release. Now, we understand that John McCain thinks it's politically incorrect to ask about Barack O-soma's middle name, Hussein, but I don't think it's irrelevant. And I raise the question of why should we not ask the question. After all, radical Islam has been at war with the West since the seventh century. If a would-be president of the United States has a Muslim first and a Muslim second name, surely we have an obligation, have a minor right, we have a duty to ask him, where does he stand on the issue of terrorism? Where does he stand on the issue of Israel? Where does he stand on the -- so many issues facing America today? Of course we have an obligation.
I'm not gonna listen to these slimebags telling me I have no right to ask the question. And I'll turn it around on you good liberals without brains. What if McCain's middle name was Jesus, John Jesus McCain? Would his middle name be an issue? Of course it would be. The liberals would go crazy. "You mean your middle-name is Jesus? Jesus? John Jesus McCain?" Ooohh, they'd go crazy. And they'd ask, you know, "Do you want to convert all of us to Christianity? What brand of Christian are you? Are you a fiery Christian? Are you a lapsed Christian, which is the only kind we accept in New York City? What kind of Christian are you?" they'd ask John Jesus McCain. So we have an obligation to ask him what he thinks about an endorsement of Obama by the Nation of Islam Jew-hater Louis Farrakhan. We have an obligation to ask Saddam -- I mean Obama Hussein Obama what he thinks about Farrakhan, who has called Judaism a gutter religion, why he has not disavowed his connections. Now, we hear that it is an untrue charge that he is a Muslim. Fair enough. But he has two Muslim names, so why are we not allowed to ask this question? Why? Why is it inappropriate? But those aren't the issues that really con -- you know, interest me at all. What interests me are the bigger issues about him. He is known as the most liberal of all the senators -- amongst very liberal senators in a very liberal Senate. The more I read about him and his actual policies, the more I become concerned about Mr. Obama.
[...]
SAVAGE: Is Hussein a Christian saint? We're hearing over and over again that we can't ask about his middle name Hussein, Barack Hussein Obama. And yet I've asked myself, if he's a Christian why does he have a name Hussein, and who is Hussein? Hussein is the grandson of Mohammed, nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with it at all. So what he should say is, "I'm proud of my middle name Hussein, I was named for Hussein by my father because Hussein is the grandson of Mohammed, and I'm proud of my Muslim heritage, and I'm a moderate Muslim and I totally oppose radical Islam. And I'll fight with all my heart to defeat the enemy. In fact, I might be able to fight better." Why doesn't he say that? What is he hiding, and what are his handlers hiding, is the question. Don't you understand why this is an issue? I think it's a very important issue.
Which begs the question of what sort of liability Mr. Savage would have in case his show is implicated in connexion with any notorious or otherwise infamous acts, deeds or exploits carried out as a byproduct of his remarks.
As if that weren't enough--a little suggestion to stations carrying The Savage Nation just in case his vitriol goes too far.
What?? Explain his name?? Explain your name..Where does it say in the Constitution that you must "explain" your name? DUMB DUMB DUMB
Does anyone in their RIGHT mind think that this disgusting group of No Heart, Conservative Rovians haven't been out in droves looking into this. Why do you or Mikey think that no one has investigated this subject..as dumb as it is? Are you that RIGHT minded to think his name is sinister?
In another post I pointed out that McCain means son of Cain and he murdered his brother. And that Zamphir is as ridiculous as your query.
How's this for meaning? It's the name his parents gave him when he was born. It's no different than if he had received the middle name of John.
What is there to explain? It's the name he's had his whole life. There is absolutely no other significance.
Only idiots would think otherwise.
Barack Obama was born and named in 1961.
18 years before Saddam Hussein assumed power in Iraq and began his maniacal dictatorship.
26 years before the founding of Hamas.
27 years before the founding of al Qaeda.
25+ years before the founding of Hezbollah.
10 years before the founding of Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
33 years before the Taliban inflicted its reign upon Afghanistan.
A couple more fun facts for the middle-name morons:
Osama bin Laden was 4 years old in 1961.
Ayman al-Zawahiri was 10.
Finfarrin wrote:
>>[doesn't matter]
Please do not respond to this Neo-Nazi. He is literally a Neo-Nazi; I am not exaggerating. See two of the posts he made in the past. Of course he is against Obama.
You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is
of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate
speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal
propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of
white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age
of white civilization.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST
John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men
like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the
way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of
equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical
progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism
on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right
is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's
people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a
movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive
liberalism.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST
Fin,
Please explain these comments?
Barack must explain his name simply because he is probably the first person running for pres with a Muslim name in a time of war with Islamic extremism.
Savage brings up a good point when he demands that Hussein Obama give his beliefs on topics of a tentative nature in regard to Muslims (Israel & the middle east).
His 'phony bid" was repeatedly explained by him to have no real intention!! And why are the other talk show hosts bashing him as well?? did they also have "fake-ass" bids for the election??
Savage still keeps the poll that is supposedly refering to his bid for the presidency on his site, asking supporters if McCain shouldn't be debating with Savage anytime soon.
Also, one month after he announced his bid, he lost his affiliation with Creative Artists Agency after slandering Melissa Etheridge and threatened liberals across America by saying this: "You wouldn't be in business too long. I can guarantee you, you'd be arrested for sedition within six months of my taking power. I'd have you people licking lead paint, what you did to this country."
Here are Finarfin's racist beliefs. Can we please ignore him? He is either half insane, or more likely, just pulling our chains.
***
You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is
of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate
speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal
propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of
white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age
of white civilization.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST
John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men
like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the
way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of
equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical
progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism
on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right
is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's
people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a
movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive
liberalism.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST
Well, inter racial mairrages are indeed an abomination, and equal
segregation would be beneficial for all parties involved.
* - finarfin / Thursday January 24, 2008 10:55:44 AM EST
For there are liberals i know, who like me believe that for whatever
reason the black race is on average lower in intellectual performance
levels than whites or Asians. Does this make them supremacists?
technically it does, and so even if such a thing where proved, it
would be denied by society. For it is similar to the reluctance of
people to accept that the earth was round, even though there was
evidence that it indeed was.
- finarfin / Friday January 25, 2008 5:59:33 PM EST
Nonetheless t'was about states rights. Slavery is in fact just a base
economic method, but a viable method nonetheless. Do not make
southerners out to be some unlearned bunch of crackers, You know the
negro likewise inhabits this region. Are you saying that ALL
southerners including black folks are stoopid??
* - finarfin / Monday January 21, 2008 1:22:45 AM EST
Please do not respond to this troll. He is either playing a Neo Nazi, or he is literally one. I am not exaggerating. He thinks people "muddy" their genes when they inter-marry; thinks slavery is a viable economic option; thinks white supremacy is the height of civilization; and thinks there should be a violent right-wing movement to change the politics there. Here are just two of his posts. I can post more if you want. But please do not respond. It just gives him legitimacy.
Finfarrin wrote previously:
>>You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is
of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate
speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal
propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of
white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age
of white civilization.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST
John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men
like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the
way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of
equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical
progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism
on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right
is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's
people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a
movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive
liberalism.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST
This is exactly why I initially told myself I would not even respond to this post. All Savage’s remarks are is another notch on his belt. I know Savage is there – I know his wingnut followers are there (and would also be here). It’s like arguing religion – beliefs based on superstitions, fables, and man-made fear-mongering. Why bother wasting your time with these people?
To paraphrase the saying that came out of the gay movement – for any right-wing lunatics’ rants, I say to myself, ‘We’re here, we’re fear – get over it”.
Yeah?
Well, how'd WWII work out for you guys? Last time I checked, you psychotic fools... or your psychic predecessors, anyway... took an entire continent down in flames, murdered literally millions of innocent people, and were faced with the humiliation of your surviving leadership cadre sniveling away and pleading that they were 'only following orders.'
Such weasels.
Linking the basis of your identity to the possession of low levels of melanin makes about as much sense as taking elaborate pride in the massive amount of hair that you have growing in your ears. It speaks of a badly mangled ego so in need of validation that it will latch on to ANY idea... no matter how demonstrably absurd... rather than face the reality of its own obvious and deeply pronounced mediocracy. It is an ignorant and witless commitment to a failed and murderous belief system. It is a rejection of science. It is a rejection of logic. And, worst of all, it is a rejection of history.
By the way, Fins, there is another factor that you should consider before you flit around proudly claiming the mantel of a White Power advocate: it will never get you laid.
After all, even the lowest of skanks have SOME standards to uphold.
Finfarrin wrote:
>>Heru, that was the years of liberal indoctrination and propaganda you just regurgitated. As a child, I'm sure you were told that a certain ancient germanic symbol is the embodiment of evil. A man with a small mustache on his upper lip is evil as well.
So did the holocaust happen or not?
Finfarrin wrote:
>>Of course it happened. But genocide of jews is not only an aspect of Nazi Germany. Its just the one that gets the most publicity.
Please clarify. Did you mean that "genocide of Jews is not *the* only aspect of Nazi Germany?" Otherwise your sentence does not make sense.
Funnypants, I am actually not a neo-Nazi, i noticed that was something you've latched on to. my beliefs are what they are, i believe that you are wasting space and energy with your intent at irritation. "Trolling" is actually not my intent, I only desire to debate others of different mindset in a free exchange of ideas.
By the way i do not expect you to answer, seeing as that would give me "legitimacy." =7
Here are Finarfins's lunatic rants.
***
You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is
of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate
speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal
propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of
white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age
of white civilization.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST
John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men
like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the
way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of
equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical
progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism
on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right
is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's
people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a
movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive
liberalism.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST
Well, inter racial mairrages are indeed an abomination, and equal
segregation would be beneficial for all parties involved.
* - finarfin / Thursday January 24, 2008 10:55:44 AM EST
For there are liberals i know, who like me believe that for whatever
reason the black race is on average lower in intellectual performance
levels than whites or Asians. Does this make them supremacists?
technically it does, and so even if such a thing where proved, it
would be denied by society. For it is similar to the reluctance of
people to accept that the earth was round, even though there was
evidence that it indeed was.
- finarfin / Friday January 25, 2008 5:59:33 PM EST
Nonetheless t'was about states rights. Slavery is in fact just a base
economic method, but a viable method nonetheless. Do not make
southerners out to be some unlearned bunch of crackers, You know the
negro likewise inhabits this region. Are you saying that ALL
southerners including black folks are stoopid??
* - finarfin / Monday January 21, 2008 1:22:45 AM EST
Enslavement is only a viable method for a devil. Enslavement is not a "base economic method" it is a form of sadism. All enslavers were not unlearned, but they were all devils.
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Slavery is in fact just a base
economic method, but a viable method nonetheless. Do not make
southerners out to be some unlearned bunch of crackers....,
* - finarfin / Monday
This finfin charater is a real moron. I guess it makes a throwback feel smarter to believe that his "race" (whatever that means) on average (whatever that means) is smarter than another. If finfin's slimy intellectual performance here is indicative of his race, his true race must be one of the slug species.
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For there are liberals i know, who like me believe that for whatever
reason the black race is on average lower in intellectual performance
levels than whites or Asians. Does this make them supremacists?
technically it does, and so even if such a thing where proved, it
would be denied by society. For it is similar to the reluctance of
people to accept that the earth was round, even though there was
evidence that it indeed was.
- finarfin
"Barack must explain his name simply because he is probably the first person running for pres with a Muslim name in a time of war with Islamic extremism."
He doesn't have to explain it, I've done the research for you in my reply to Zamfir above. I think that tells you what you need to know.
"Barack must explain his name simply because he is probably the first person running for pres with a Muslim name in a time of war with Islamic extremism."
Any "explanation" of Obama's name is entirely at his option, especially with regard to religion. The Constitution legally protects him from the religious test that you and Savage want to impose.
Actually, such a religious litmus test is more likely a machination of the liberal media, as you can see with the media attacks on Romney's Mormonism.
Actually Heru, I must inform you that not every mormon believes this in that it is a reason to hate black people. I should also inform you that not every mormon accepts this teaching, for there are black mormons. Do you think that Christianity is also a "white racist ideology" because they hold the similar belief that the ancestor of the black race was cursed?
Finarfin is a Neo-Nazi. Literally. Here is what he wrote. (And just look up above where he actually defends Hitler.)
***
You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is
of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate
speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal
propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of
white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age
of white civilization.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST
John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men
like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the
way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of
equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical
progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism
on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right
is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's
people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a
movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive
liberalism.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST
Well, inter racial mairrages are indeed an abomination, and equal
segregation would be beneficial for all parties involved.
* - finarfin / Thursday January 24, 2008 10:55:44 AM EST
For there are liberals i know, who like me believe that for whatever
reason the black race is on average lower in intellectual performance
levels than whites or Asians. Does this make them supremacists?
technically it does, and so even if such a thing where proved, it
would be denied by society. For it is similar to the reluctance of
people to accept that the earth was round, even though there was
evidence that it indeed was.
- finarfin / Friday January 25, 2008 5:59:33 PM EST
Nonetheless t'was about states rights. Slavery is in fact just a base
economic method, but a viable method nonetheless. Do not make
southerners out to be some unlearned bunch of crackers, You know the
negro likewise inhabits this region. Are you saying that ALL
southerners including black folks are stoopid??
* - finarfin / Monday January 21, 2008 1:22:45 AM EST
I don't care if not every last Mormon believes it, so what? The curse is written in the Book of Mormon in several verses. It is mighty white of some to disseminate this crap as words of God and say they love Black people anyway.
Yes, there are a few negro mormons just like there are a few negro KKK members and there were more than a few negroes among Jim Jones followers.
Sorry finfin, I ain't drinkin' the koolaid pal.
PS Although I am not a Christian, and no fan of the religion, there is no curse of the Black man in the Bible. Devils interpreted it that way to justify their racist empire. The curse against Black people is explicit, on the other hand, in the Book of Mormon.
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Actually Heru, I must inform you that not every mormon believes this in that it is a reason to hate black people. I should also inform you that not every mormon accepts this teaching, for there are black mormons. Do you think that Christianity is also a "white racist ideology" because they hold the similar belief that the ancestor of the black race was cursed?
"such a religious litmus test is more likely a machination of the liberal media"
So the alleged "liberal media" is responsible for this test that you and the Savage Weiner are administering to Obama?
Anyway, the same standard applies to Romney. By law, he doesn't have to explain his faith to anyone.
In both cases, the voters decide how important it is.
Until then, you and the Savage Weiner have a wonderful time masking your racial and religious bigotry under the guise of concern trolling.
Finarfin is a Neo-Nazi. I mean this literally. Here are his posts
You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is
of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate
speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal
propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of
white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age
of white civilization.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST
John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men
like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the
way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of
equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical
progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism
on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right
is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's
people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a
movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive
liberalism.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST
Well, inter racial mairrages are indeed an abomination, and equal
segregation would be beneficial for all parties involved.
* - finarfin / Thursday January 24, 2008 10:55:44 AM EST
For there are liberals i know, who like me believe that for whatever
reason the black race is on average lower in intellectual performance
levels than whites or Asians. Does this make them supremacists?
technically it does, and so even if such a thing where proved, it
would be denied by society. For it is similar to the reluctance of
people to accept that the earth was round, even though there was
evidence that it indeed was.
- finarfin / Friday January 25, 2008 5:59:33 PM EST
Nonetheless t'was about states rights. Slavery is in fact just a base
economic method, but a viable method nonetheless. Do not make
southerners out to be some unlearned bunch of crackers, You know the
negro likewise inhabits this region. Are you saying that ALL
southerners including black folks are stoopid??
* - finarfin / Monday January 21, 2008 1:22:45 AM EST
"the origins of his Muslim name"
This crock of ***T exemplifies how blinded you are by your bigotry.
Hussein is not a "Musilm" name. IT IS AN ARABIC NAME.
It is from the Semitic word, hasan, meaning "good" or "handsome."
I'm sure everyone with a Germanic or Italian name was made to explain their name during WW2.
Why doesn't Barack Hussein Obama just come out and explain his name? People have a right to know who they are voting for. It's not the NAME that bothers people, it is the intentional silence on the issue.
NO ONE SHOULD EVER HAVE TO EXPLAIN A NAME THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM BY THEIR PARENTS!
Do you want Hillary to explain her name? Do you want McCain to explain his name? HELL NO! It's not Obama's silence cause all you have to do is read the transcript of his 2004 convention speech to get your answer. Sounds more like simple bigotry.
My parents shared not only an improbable love; they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation. They would give me an African name, Barack, or "blessed," believing that in a tolerant America your name is no barrier to success.
The Savage Weiner missed Jon Stewart's satire -- "Gaydolph Titler."
Not that Weiner would understand it, anyway. Nor his mouth-breathing listeners.
Finfarrin wrote:
>>Actually he referenced that very same phrase, which i might add was rather amusing.
Please do not respond to this Neo_Nazi troll. He is *literally* a Neo-Nazi. Here are just two of his racist rants from the past.
***
You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is
of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate
speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal
propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of
white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age
of white civilization.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST
John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men
like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the
way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of
equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical
progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism
on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right
is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's
people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a
movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive
liberalism.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST
. . . isn't it logical that us stupid Americans would like to know why the man who would be president has a name that's similar to our -- to our enemy in Iraq, Hussein?
Yes, it's totally logical that stupid Americans want to know.
Bottom Line: If Obama is as pure and perfect as some believe, then he might be the best President this country has seen since Kennedy. However, what if it is a pipe dream? Did we just write-off Hillary in favor of a pipe-dream?
SHE WILL NOT WIN; INDEPENDENTS LIKE ME WILL NOT VOTE FOR HER, WE ARE LOOKING FOR CHANGE NOT STATUS-QUO. CLINTON AND MCCAIN ARE SURROUNDED BY THE SAME GERITOL GROUP AT EACH PRESS CONFRENCE OR BRIEFING. OBAMA SEEMS TO DRAW NEW FACES, LARGE CROWDS, AND A LOT OF MONEY! I BELIEVE THAT IT WILL CARRY OVER TO THE GENERAL ELECTION. OBAMA'S BASE IS EDUCATED, YOUNG, SOME BABY BOOMERS, AND CROSSES ALL ETHNIC GROUPS! HOW MANY REPUDIATORS CAN SAY THAT!
Finfarrin wrote:
>>excellent points Zamfir, very well put. this "Obama" is a bit too vague as a candidate.
Please do not respond to this Neo-Nazi. I mean that he is a Neo-Nazi *literally.* Here are just two of his racist posts from the past:
You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is
of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate
speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal
propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of
white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age
of white civilization.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST
John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men
like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the
way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of
equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical
progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism
on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right
is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's
people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a
movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive
liberalism.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST
Zamfir, we're ALL lucky you're not running for president. After reading the rather addle-minded, paranoid comments that you have thus far posted on the thread, I can only conclude that your screen name would be the LEAST of your problems.
Get a grip, man. To obsess over a someone's Islamic middle name is just plain strange. If you have any substantial, LOGICAL criticisms of Obama, then lets hear them. Otherwise, you got nothin'... except maybe for some rather pronounced mental health issues. ;o)
The name Hussein brings up a lot of pain for a lot of people.
That's almost as dumb as the last thing you said. Why does the name Hussein bring pain? Your not going to use that dumb a** Republican line about 9/11 are you? GTFOH with that bull.
Wow. Such insensitivity just for a partisan dislike. i think that relatives of the many Kurds murdered by Hussein look back on his name with a particular dislike, but I'm sure that that was made up by the republicans.
Now we're supposed to pretend that the 5 Kurds in America are up in arms over Obama's middle name?
You really need to use the preview button before you post.
Finarfin is a Neo-Nazi. Literally. Please stop feeding this troll. Here are his posts.
***
You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is
of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate
speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal
propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of
white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age
of white civilization.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST
John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men
like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the
way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of
equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical
progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism
on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right
is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's
people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a
movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive
liberalism.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST
Well, inter racial mairrages are indeed an abomination, and equal
segregation would be beneficial for all parties involved.
* - finarfin / Thursday January 24, 2008 10:55:44 AM EST
For there are liberals i know, who like me believe that for whatever
reason the black race is on average lower in intellectual performance
levels than whites or Asians. Does this make them supremacists?
technically it does, and so even if such a thing where proved, it
would be denied by society. For it is similar to the reluctance of
people to accept that the earth was round, even though there was
evidence that it indeed was.
- finarfin / Friday January 25, 2008 5:59:33 PM EST
Nonetheless t'was about states rights. Slavery is in fact just a base
economic method, but a viable method nonetheless. Do not make
southerners out to be some unlearned bunch of crackers, You know the
negro likewise inhabits this region. Are you saying that ALL
southerners including black folks are stoopid??
* - finarfin / Monday January 21, 2008 1:22:45 AM EST
Dang, TBone, I knew somebody would've beat me to that! As evidenced by a couple of posters here who are baffled at Obama's reluctance to "explain his name" (?????), stoopid minds want to know.
Pretty annoying to the non-stupid Americans, who would like to move ahead with our civilization.
And for any other stupid-Americans who are plssing their pants over a "Muslim Name", names are not really capable of having religious opinions.Of course, if you're a stupid-American, like Savage or Finkarfin,this may take a few more explanations.
I would rather Obama get these things clarified now, during the primaries, instead of the general election when we have gambled on his chances of winning.
ZAMFIR? IS THAT ISLAMIC? bUT WHATS IN A NAME?
My point is that the Republican's are going to use this strategy against him throughout the campaign. Shouldn't we be prepared for that? I don't think would-be-Obama voters care much about whether Obama "should have to" explain the name. I am saying that he should get it out in the open. Stop hiding it. Come clean. Come out and say, "my name is Barack Hussein Obama. I am PROUD of that name. It is the name my parents gave me." Does he? No. He just goes on about "hope".
I would rather Obama get these things clarified now, during the primaries, instead of the general election when we have gambled on his chances of winning.
You are full of sh*t. You don't want Obama to win the nomination, THAT is your concern. Obama has not allowed either Hillary or McCain to get away with anything. He and his campaign respond immediately.
If you had paid any attention to the 2004 Democratic convention you would have herd Obama explain his name.
Just because you want Hillary to win you can stop with the asinine excuses about being prepared, explain his name and all that shi*t. It's a lie and a pathetic one at that.
Who wants to hear about that? I myself gave up hope back in 1972 when Nixon was re-elected.
We need to focus on the important things like middle names, voices that tend to grate, how such a mousey candidate got hiself such a hot wife, which candidate hasn't repudiated which scoundrel, who doesn't wear a painted piece of tin on his lapel, etc.
You know, the stuff that's going to matter in the future. We need to do away with primaries for that matter. Eventually someone like Limbaugh or Savage will tell us who we should vote for and we'll do it.
Screw that hope crap.
Hi W-King- Do you find it as hilarious as I do, how easily these wingnuts are manipulated? They've actually been trained to think that talking about ideas that relate to hope for the country fall under "empty platitudes", while there's an urgency for candidates to "explain" their names.
Un-funking-believable.
They also think names have religious beliefs. I remeber hearing the phrase "Christian name" when I was a lad, but never quite got it. Now I'm just as much in the dark when these bedwetters keep demanding investigation of "Muslim names".
I remember hearing the phrase "Christian name" when I was a lad, but never quite got it.
I remember it well. When you took your infant to get baptized the catholic priest would give you hard time if the proposed name was NOT in the bible, or the name of a recognized saint. "Tad" or "Daisy" doesn't qualify. You could sometimes placate him by offering a well recognized biblical name for the middle name.
Try to understand this! I agree that Saddam caused many Iraqi's pain and hardships but I fail to be persuaded by your argument regarding his middle name. Sound like another attack by the RRR;on the other hand Bush, Cheney, neo-cons, and extremists of the repudiated party has caused Americans pain by his inability to catch ben-laden. They have causedmany hardships and anger, a balooning deficit, a poor economy, high unemployment, high gas, high food prices, and declining wages! OUCH! Now i get it! Elect McCon and continue slipping into darkness? IT WILL NOT HAPPEN!
Savage: What if McCain's middle name was Jesus, John Jesus McCain? Would his middle name be an issue? Of course it would be. The liberals would go crazy. "You mean your middle-name is Jesus? Jesus? John Jesus McCain?" Ooohh, they'd go crazy.
Um, no, Savage. It wouldn't be an issue at all. I can't imagine liberals making any kind of issue of it. Maybe a miniscule handful of widely scattered nutjobs on the internet, but I don't think we'd be hearing radio hosts carrying on about it or many blog participants bashing him for it.
What an idiot.
Would that be Jesus of Christianity fame or Jesus of Dominican Republican fame?
Zamzam, Savage and 5are5 probably just learned that Willard is Mitts' first name and this triangle of wisdom never questioned why he was "hiding" his name? Or did they believe Mitt is a REAL name.
Wasn't there some General at the beginning of the war with an Arabic name who was in charge of some vital stuff? Adzibi or something. Did he have to explain his name? And Zimzam and Phenfen...I do not think that you need to give the Obama campaign any tips on what they should do. Do you not think that they knew this name issue would be used by the Cons? Did you think of this all by yourselves? Don't worry about Obama. And remember, if he does decide to give an "explanation" of his name, the A-holes Cons will attack him for playing the NAME-CARD to sway the Arabic vote. You do know that people of Arabic descent vote in America because they are Americans. (Don't quote me but isn't Obama and American?). Maybe they should all explain their names before being allowed to vote. Now that is the AMERICA that the flag waver Savage would like.
P.S. Someone in an above post made reference to the McCain/ Bush connection. Maybe we can settle on Sen. John McBUSH.
If Jesus were his middle name, he might be named for The Dude's bowling nemesis, Jesus Quintana. Then I'd have a problem with it.
"... that creep can roll, man."
-Jeff (The Dude) Lebowski
http://www.cineclub.de/images/2001/the_big_lebowski_1.jpg
Yeah BillJ, The Jesus analogy is totally lame. Even if the lie that he is trying to insinuate were true (that liberals are anti-Christian) - the U.S. is not at war with Christians. Big difference here.
You'd think that a guy who changed his name from WEINER would have a better grasp of the argument Democrats have with this issue. If he, of all people, "doesn't get it" - he is a far bigger idiot than he's ever let on to before.
Nothing like Weiner to bring out the race baiters or the racists. Have any of you Savage supporters asked him to explain why he changed his name from "Weiner" to "Savage."
Can any of you "explain" your names? No one in my family had my name before I did. My brother's names together sound Jewish, but he is Lutheran. If he ran, would he have to "explain" that?
Our middle name is another thing we have in common Colonel.
Are you trying to say that you were also "short" changed by your creator like many of our Irish American brothers?
Colonel, According to the code of the "Followers of the Middle Name Society", Finzphar and zamzam, you are a liar and a fraud. Please explain to them why you claim your middle name is Joseph when they can obviously see that your middle name is Harlan.
Savage is gonna get you.
But you're still correct Prince, he's still a fraud according to the Savages.
We'll need to send someone out to the Colonel's home. He may need a little waterboarding.
You are sooooo right, Mark from Chicago. His name is a VERY convenient target now that race is too touchy to attack.
I know this may be too intellectual of a statement for people who live by their irrational emotions, but Islamic names are semitic in origin - just like, Oh My Gosh - Christian and Jewish names. Hebrew, Aramaic, and Arabic are highly related languages. There are many, many Muslim men named John, just like - Oh My Gosh - John McCain.... Could he be Muslim???????????????
Good call Matrix.
Why does John McCain refuse to explain his relationship to the dangerous Muslim and Beltway Sniper, John Allen Muhammed?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Muhammed
We have a right to know the truth, John.
George walker Bush has the same middle name as the surname of this convicted spy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_walker_Lindh
He has the same middle name as this American traitor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnnie_walker
He has the same middle name as the surname of this brand of scotch whiskey
Is there a point to this line of reasoning?
I thought it was,"We're here,we're queer,get over it."
Snoopy had a good link showing a bunch of clowns confronting rascists recently. Countering the white power chant with 'White Flour, White Flower, and finally Tight Power", chants, beautifly done.
Finny's caught up in the romance of rascism. Romance does have a dark side. He may wake up to it,maybe not.
Isn't what they're seeking a form of romanticsim? Outside the circle of love, in this case recognised exclusivly by the proper melanin desity, is everything evil and bad. Emperical evidence falls in the face of this love. Finny may get a personal example of this if his love is thought to be imperfect somehow.
Anti profanity phazers are set to hysterical this morning!
Finarfin is a Neo-Nazi. Please ignore him. Here is what he wrote:
***
Well clevantine, A saying that has just nascented (by my design) from the white nationalist movement is; we are here, we are strong, we shall prevail.
***
You my friend seem to be one of those who think that the right wing is of a McCain type model. You are wrong, your outrage at savages "hate speech" is nothing more than a reflexive regurgitation of the liberal propaganda fed to you since childhood. I think that those days of white dominion were grand old times, its what could be the golden age of white civilization.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:23:49 AM EST
John i salute you for defending conservative America along with men like Savage. I see and it pains me greatly that Europe has gone the way of authoritarian oppressive democracies draped in the burqa of equality. The cradle of civilization has been lost to the radical progressive Utopians and we can now see their ilk spouting socialism on the democratic side. But there is hope, the nationalist hard-right is re surging in Europe in the face of the injustice dealt upon it's people, it may be a bloody political change yet no less weak a movement would be able to overtake the deeply rooted progressive liberalism.
* - finarfin / Tuesday February 5, 2008 1:18:18 AM EST
Well, inter racial mairrages are indeed an abomination, and equal segregation would be beneficial for all parties involved.
* - finarfin / Thursday January 24, 2008 10:55:44 AM EST
For there are liberals i know, who like me believe that for whatever reason the black race is on average lower in intellectual performance levels than whites or Asians. Does this make them supremacists? technically it does, and so even if such a thing where proved, it would be denied by society. For it is similar to the reluctance of people to accept that the earth was round, even though there was evidence that it indeed was.
- finarfin / Friday January 25, 2008 5:59:33 PM EST
Nonetheless t'was about states rights. Slavery is in fact just a base economic method, but a viable method nonetheless. Do not make southerners out to be some unlearned bunch of crackers, You know the negro likewise inhabits this region. Are you saying that ALL southerners including black folks are stoopid??
* - finarfin / Monday January 21, 2008 1:22:45 AM EST
On behalf of many other posters on this site, Funnymanpants, I want to thank you on doing so much of the heavy lifting of exposing the demented and duplicitous schmendrick Finarfin as the racist tool that he is.
He is, of course, eerily reminiscent of David Duke in his soft sell approach to the psychosis of unapologetic racism. His intention is to lull us all into a comfortable slumber while he goes about his business of seeding the next Aryan genocide. It is only by shining such light on the twisted goals and dishonest manipulations of such sociopathic predators that we are able to see through their razor-thin veneer of intellectual respectability.
Again, FMP, your efforts are appreciated.
Thanks.
Mescal wrote:
>>Again, FMP, your efforts are appreciated.
Thanks. I think the only response to Finarfin should be repeating the Neo-Nazi lunacy he has spewed. We should not try to engage him in any way, because doing so just gives him legitimacy.
Funnypants wrote:
Thanks. I think the only response to Finarfin should be repeating the Neo-Nazi lunacy he has spewed. We should not try to engage him in any way, because doing so just gives him legitimacy.
You are too kind, such ritousness is rarely found in someone that they are willing to so kindly repeat the former comments of said persons.
You are truly noble.
The Savage Weiner (like sooooooo many other right-wingers) seems to have forgotten that one of the US's most reliable Arab allies in the Middle East was a man who was also named Hussein, the King of Jordan from 1952 until his death in 1999. (The only time he worked against US interests was in the 1990-91 Gulf War, but even then, his actions neither drastically affected the outcome nor unnecessarily prolong the war.)
His son, the current King of Jordan, is formally known as Abdullah bin Hussein, and his widow, Queen Noor, was born and raised in the US and, probably most alarming to the anti-Islamic right-wing bigots, was a CONVERT to Islam. (Abdullah's mother, Muna, was another Western-born and -raised--in this case, British--who also converted to Islam.)
"And yet I've asked myself, if he's a Christian why does he have a name Hussein"