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Kondracke claimed McCain's "position on comprehensive immigration reform" could win over Hispanics -- but he's abandoned it

March 10, 2008 4:59 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On The Beltway Boys, Morton Kondracke asserted that Sen. John McCain "may well" be able to "match George Bush's 2004 record of 40 percent" of the Hispanic vote "because he's got a position on comprehensive immigration reform that's humanitarian." But McCain asserted on January 30 that he "would not" support his original comprehensive immigration proposal if it came to a vote on the Senate floor and now says that "we've got to secure the borders first" -- a position at odds with his prior assertion that border security could not be disaggregated from other aspects of comprehensive immigration reform without being rendered ineffective.

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On the March 8 edition of Fox News' The Beltway Boys, co-host and Roll Call executive editor Morton Kondracke asserted that Sen. John McCain "may well" be able to "match George Bush's 2004 record of 40 percent" of the Hispanic vote "because he's got a position on comprehensive immigration reform that's humanitarian." But McCain has abandoned his previous "position on comprehensive immigration reform." McCain asserted on January 30 that he "would not" support his original comprehensive immigration proposal if it came to a vote on the Senate floor and now says that "we've got to secure the borders first" -- a position at odds with his prior assertion that border security could not be disaggregated from other aspects of comprehensive immigration reform without being rendered ineffective. Kondracke's assertion echoes the belief of McCain's advisers, uncritically reported in a March 5 Los Angeles Times article, that McCain's "work on the controversial immigration legislation that included a path to citizenship for many of the nation's illegal immigrants will provide an inroad to Latino voters, particularly in the Golden State."

McCain also reversed his position on the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors (DREAM) Act, which would have allowed "illegal immigrants under age 30 to remain in the United States and gain legal status if they attend college or join the military."

Numerous media outlets have noted McCain's previous support for comprehensive immigration reform without noting that he has since changed his position. In contrast to Kondracke and others, The New York Times reported in a March 3 article that McCain has "moved from his original position on immigration" and that "McCain went so far at a debate at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in January to say that if his original proposal came to a vote on the Senate floor, he would not vote for it."

From the March 8 edition of Fox News' The Beltway Boys:

BARNES: Welcome back to The Beltway Boys.

Hot story number two, cruise control. Now, John McCain was obviously exaggerating a bit. I don't think he's gonna spend a lot of time campaigning in Rhode Island or California, but he was onto something, and that is -- onto what I think are two things. One, there's some states that have been fading from being blue. You know, there have been Republican states that I think he can do well in -- that's Colorado and New Mexico and Nevada for three. And then there's states that are red, or going red, that he can be competitive in and are tossups now.

So, you know, Karl Rove has done this map showing how the states stand now. And we can look at it first. John McCain versus Hillary Clinton. And it does show McCain winning Nevada, New Mexico and Colorado. And when you move to the East, into these Democratic states, they're tossups. Pennsylvania, which is -- usually goes Democratic in a presidential race, Ohio, which has been certainly tilting that way, New Hampshire, which went for John Kerry. Then look out in the West, you know, up top there, the state of Washington, a Democratic state, may go for McCain. So against Hillary he's -- he looks fairly strong.

Now, Karl has also done a map of McCain against Barack Obama. Doesn't look quite as good. It shows I think Obama winning Nevada and Colorado. New Mexico's a tossup. And you move to the East. I guess Pennsylvania and Ohio are still tossup states. But obviously, according to Karl Rove -- and I think I agree with him, and I suspect you do, too -- as it stands now, McCain runs much better, much more strongly against Hillary Clinton than he does against Barack Obama.

KONDRACKE: Yeah. Right. When McCain says that he's gonna campaign all over the country, he's not only talking about states -- going to states that Republicans don't normally go do, but also localities, like inner city African-American neighborhoods, Hispanic barrios, Appalachia, all those kind of places that Republicans rarely come to. And he's hoping that among Hispanics, he can match George Bush's 2004 record of 40 percent. And he well may because he's got a position on comprehensive immigration reform that's humanitarian.

Now, he's gotta to figure out how to separate himself from George W. Bush. I mean, you can't -- the Democrats are gonna try to tie him tightly to him. The technique that I've heard discussed is that at every speech, he's gonna talk about one of your favorite subjects, Fred: global climate change.

BARNES: Yeah. Well, that's what -- look, the way I rationalize that is McCain has to do one thing in this race -- he's gotta win back independents. They abandoned Republicans in 2006. Conservatives stayed there. You know, there's some conservatives who think that, well, we were mad at Republicans so we didn't vote Republican in 2006. Not true. It was independents. Maybe independents fall for that global warming stuff. But I don't.

Anyway, coming up, the line narrows between politics and farce this campaign season. We tell you how.

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    • Author by bkboase3653 (March 10, 2008 5:12 pm ET)
         
      I f Rove thinks Washington State is going to McCain, I'd like some of what he's smokin......Fred Barnes is dumber than Mariah Carey.
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      • Author by wzwriter (March 10, 2008 7:23 pm ET)
           
        Aw, c'mon - at least Mariah Carey is nice to look at, which is more than can be said about any of the Beltway Bumpkins......
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (March 10, 2008 7:41 pm ET)
           

        Based on past voting trends, McCain will probably win 2/3 of the counties in WA State, but will not carry the state.  A R has not carried WA since 1984, and it ain't likely to change soon.

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      • Author by RINO Hunter (March 11, 2008 1:49 am ET)
           

        Actually, McCain is currently beating Obama by 1 and Hillary Clinton by 8 in Washington.

        http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/washington/washington_presidential_election

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        • Author by jawill11 (March 11, 2008 10:09 am ET)
             

          Funny, but as opposed to the wildly unreliable and biased polling from Rasmussen, a University of Washington poll from Feb 21st (Rasmussen's was from 2/28) has McCain beating Clinton by 3.5% and Obama beating McCain by 14.6%!  This was with a margin of error of 5.6%. 

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          • Author by RINO Hunter (March 11, 2008 2:28 pm ET)
               
            So you're going with a UNIVERSITY of Washington Poll over the organization that was BY FAR the most accurate in the 2004 and 2006 elections? That tells me a lot about you.
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            • Author by wzwriter (March 11, 2008 7:10 pm ET)
                 
              Any organization endorsed by you, Rino Hunter, is automatically considered suspect.
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        • Author by oscar the grouch (March 11, 2008 9:09 pm ET)
             
          Was this poll taken before or after the Air Force Tanker deal was announced?
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    • Author by bruce1ace (March 10, 2008 5:58 pm ET)
         
      Immigration reform is another issue that neither side is interested in solving.  It's all talk and no action.
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      • Author by pete592 (March 10, 2008 6:55 pm ET)
           

        The "neither side" argument applies not only to the domestic party line, but to the border itself. 

        As long as the huge income disparity exists in Mexico, it doesn't matter what we do with the border. 

        NAFTA was supposed to address this, but it failed.

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        • Author by oscar the grouch (March 10, 2008 8:14 pm ET)
             
          Don't think it has completely failed, Pete.  The "trickle down" in Mexico is even worse than it is in the US. Ten years ago, the company I work for could not sell automated equipment in Mexico because of the cheap labor.  Now we have a fairly active sales office in that country, selling a fair amount of automated equipment, which tells me there is money in the Mexican economy, it just ain't reaching the have-nots and the Mexican government seems to be encouraging those to come North and take advantage of the system here, rather than providing for them in country.
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        • Author by lolo (March 11, 2008 6:55 pm ET)
             

          maybe the Mexican people and their corrupt government should address it. Maybe relying on legislatioin in the U.S. to solve your country's problems isn't domestic policy.

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      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 10, 2008 7:23 pm ET)
           
        Regardless, Bruce, do you think McCain should be praised or criticized for a position he has abandoned?
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        • Author by bruce1ace (March 10, 2008 7:26 pm ET)
             

          I agree with his current position more than his former one.  However, the media shouldn't misstate his current position.

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          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 10, 2008 7:30 pm ET)
               
            I agree, by doing what FOX is doing, they are confusing the issue.  If people agree with his old position and see this, they may be more likely to vote for him.  On the other hand, if they don't he may lose support.  Its an interesting misstep by Mort.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (March 11, 2008 9:48 am ET)
               
            What is important, however, is for the media to note when a candidate has assumed multiple positions on an issue...and, perhaps more importantly, the timing of that candidate's change of position.
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            • Author by lolo (March 11, 2008 6:58 pm ET)
                 
              If he's heard the will of the people and therefore changed his position good for him. If it's for selfish political reasons only that's too bad but as long as he follows through with securing the borders I'll live with it.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (March 10, 2008 6:19 pm ET)
         

      Rove came up wrong in 06. We may see some real Rovian work in this campaign. Not the pale imitantion being talked up currently. Depends as much as anything on whether he gets sucked up by the Siegelman affair. 

      Its a little hard to follow Fred's reasoning. If Johnny can win back the independents (what happened to the Hispanics?), by talking up golbal warming. Which Fred comes accross as a doubter on this issue. Then he's(ok) winning the Hispanics back with a bill he no longer supports.Then he's got a chance? I'm with BKB, no chance of McC taking Washinton. As for the rest. I always depend on the people who haven't been right yet to tell me what they think. Going against them has been a winner so far.

      And coming up, the line narrows between politics and farce this campaign season. We let you know. The was something which topped this? I'm intriged.

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    • Author by edenscape246494 (March 10, 2008 6:48 pm ET)
         
      McCain is going to have to choose between the Independants and the Far Right, he can't have both.  Based on his recent torture vote I think he's made up his mind and abandoned the maverick bit
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      • Author by RINO Hunter (March 11, 2008 2:30 pm ET)
           
        Nope. McCain's still a moderate to liberal Republican. The fact that he doesn't toe the far left line as you all demand doesn't make him a conservative.
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        • Author by solon (March 11, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
             
          Nope he is a conservative has an 80+ conservative rating from the conservative Union the oldest conservative lobbying group in the US just because he doesnt reflexivly and slavishly conform to your hivemind delusions doesnt make him a liberal or a moderate he rates right there with Bill Fist.
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          • Author by lolo (March 11, 2008 7:02 pm ET)
               
            The usual childish blather from Solon...we're comparing McCain to true conservatives. You're apprently comparing him to kusinich. Sometimes Solon, I wonder if you'll always be 15.
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    • Author by RINO Hunter (March 11, 2008 1:53 am ET)
         
      McCain still has the same basic position on immigration reform. Media Matters is simply lying on this one. McCain still supports amnesty for illegals, but just not until the border is secure. But that's hardly "abandoning" his position. He's just saying that we should wait a few years to give amnesty to the illegals rather than give it to them right now. That's not a huge shift in position.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (March 11, 2008 9:35 am ET)
           
        Sure, Rino... John McCain is simply a nuanced Republican.  ;>)
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    • Author by copiousdissent.blogspot.com (March 11, 2008 2:26 pm ET)
         
      Everyone knows he abandoned it.  But, that has nothing to do with his opinion about Hispanics who may find what McCain did favorable.
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    • Author by lolo (March 11, 2008 6:52 pm ET)
         

      kondracke...that republican hack. Looks like he slipped up as Mccain has changed his position(for the better).

         Do we reallt think Mort was intentionally deceptive here?

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