About us Login Get email updates
Research
Print

Jonah Goldberg falsely claimed Obama "dodg[es] the word and concept of patriotism"

March 11, 2008 7:39 pm ET

SUMMARY: Jonah Goldberg claimed that Democrats, and specifically Sen. Barack Obama, "cannot credibly talk of love of country while simultaneously dodging the word and concept of patriotism." In fact, Obama has not "dodg[ed] the word and concept of patriotism" -- invoking them in numerous speeches going back to at least 2002.

42 Comments

In his March 11 Los Angeles Times column, National Review Online editor-at-large Jonah Goldberg claimed that Democrats, and specifically Sen. Barack Obama, "cannot credibly talk of love of country while simultaneously dodging the word and concept of patriotism." Goldberg wrote: "When Democrats do speak of patriotism, it is usually as a means of finding fault with Republicans, corporations or America itself," adding: "Indeed, the one area in which Obama explicitly invokes patriotism is in the realm of economics. He proposes a Patriot Corporation Act that would punish corporations that legally avoid U.S. taxes." In fact, Obama has frequently invoked "patriots" and "patriotism" in his speeches going back to at least 2002, and not just in "the realm of economics," as Goldberg claimed.

Goldberg's assertion comes after Time columnist Joe Klein falsely suggested in his March 6 column that Obama's focus on "patriotism" was new, writing that "patriotism replaced hope as a theme of his [March 4] concession speech [in Texas]." As evidence, Klein wrote that Obama "echoed John McCain in citing Abraham Lincoln, and called America 'the last best hope on Earth.' " In fact, Obama has repeatedly used Lincoln's "the last best hope on Earth" line during his presidential campaign.

Goldberg wrote in his March 11 column:

'Unity is the great need of the hour. ... Not because it sounds pleasant or because it makes us feel good, but because it's the only way we can overcome the essential deficit that exists in this country. I'm not talking about a budget deficit. ... I'm talking about a moral deficit. I'm talking about an empathy deficit. I'm taking about an inability to recognize ourselves in one another; to understand that we are our brother's keeper; we are our sister's keeper; that, in the words of Dr. King, we are all tied together in a single garment of destiny."

So quoth Barack Obama in Atlanta on Jan. 20, but it might as well have been last week, so central is unity to his presidential campaign. And then there's Michelle Obama. "We have lost the understanding that, in a democracy, we have a mutual obligation to one another," the would-be first lady told a rally last month. "That we have to compromise and sacrifice for one another in order to get things done."

What is fascinating here is not the sentiment, but what's missing from it. The P-word.

To invoke patriotism seriously is to brand yourself either an old fogy or a right-wing bully. If Obama spoke about patriotism with the sort of passion he expends on unity, many would take him for some sort of demagogue.

[...]

When Democrats do speak of patriotism, it is usually as a means of finding fault with Republicans, corporations or America itself. Hence the irony that questioning the patriotism of liberals is a grievous sin, but doing likewise to conservatives is fine. That's how then-candidate Howard Dean could with a straight face insist that then-Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft "is no patriot. He's a direct descendant of Joseph McCarthy."

Indeed, the one area in which Obama explicitly invokes patriotism is in the realm of economics. He proposes a Patriot Corporation Act that would punish corporations that legally avoid U.S. taxes. ("Now here is a Patriot Act everyone can get behind," gushed the Nation's William Greider.)

Meanwhile, Michelle Obama famously declared last month that her husband's candidacy elicited pride in her country for the first time in her adult life. I like to think that's not really what she meant, but it's a sign of how ill-equipped she and so many others are on the left when it comes to discussing such issues.

And it's a crying shame, despite the fact that the Democrats' rhetorical disadvantage is a huge boon for the Republicans. One cannot credibly talk of love of country while simultaneously dodging the word and concept of patriotism. And, I would argue, one cannot sufficiently love one's country if you are afraid to say so out loud. Better that our politics be an argument about why and how we should love our country, not about whether some do and some don't.

Contrary to Goldberg's claims, however, Obama has invoked "the word and concept of patriotism" in numerous speeches. From Obama's October 2, 2002, speech declaring his opposition to invading Iraq:

OBAMA: Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars.

My grandfather signed up for a war the day after Pearl Harbor was bombed, fought in Patton's army. He saw the dead and dying across the fields of Europe; he heard the stories of fellow troops who first entered Auschwitz and Treblinka. He fought in the name of a larger freedom, part of that arsenal of democracy that triumphed over evil, and he did not fight in vain. I don't oppose all wars.

After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

From Obama's July 27, 2004, keynote address to the Democratic National Convention:

OBAMA: Yet even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there's not a liberal America and a conservative America -- there's the United States of America. There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America. The pundits like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States; Red States for Republicans, Blue States for Democrats. But I've got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the Blue States, and we don't like federal agents poking around our libraries in the Red States. We coach Little League in the Blue States and have gay friends in the Red States. There are patriots who opposed the war in Iraq and patriots who supported it. We are one people, all of us pledging allegiance to the stars and stripes, all of us defending the United States of America.

From Obama's June 22, 2007, speech:

When I am President, I will make it absolutely clear that working in an Obama Administration is not about serving your former employer, your future employer, or your bank account -- it's about serving your country, and that's what comes first. When you walk into my administration, you will not be able to work on regulations or contracts directly related to your former employer for two years. And when you leave, you will not be able to lobby the Administration throughout the remainder of my term in office.

A lot of people have told me this is pretty tough, but I refuse to accept the Washington logic that you cannot find thousands of talented, patriotic Americans willing to devote a few years to their country without the promise of a lucrative lobbying job after they're done. I know we can find them, and in my administration, we will.

From Obama's August 21, 2007, speech:

OBAMA: We know that the America we live in is the legacy of those who have borne the burden of battle. You are part of an unbroken line ofAmericans who threw off the tyranny of a King; who held the country together and set the captives free; who faced down fascism and fought for freedom in Korea and Vietnam; who liberated Kuwait and stopped ethnic cleansing in the Balkans; and who fight bravely and brilliantly under our flag today in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Keeping faith with those who serve must always be a core American value and a cornerstone of American patriotism. Because America's commitment to its servicemen and women begins at enlistment, and it must never end.

From Obama's December 5, 2007, speech:

OBAMA: Eventually, I realized I wasn't just helping other people. Through service, I found a community that embraced me; a church to belong to; citizenship that was meaningful; the direction I'd been seeking. Through service, I found that my own improbable story fit into a larger American story.

In America, each of us seeks our own dreams, but the sum of those dreams must be greater than ourselves. Because the America we inherited is the legacy of those who struggled, and those who served in so many ways, before us.

It's the legacy of a band of unlikely patriots who overthrew the tyranny of a King.

It's the legacy of abolitionists who stood up, and soldiers who fought for a more perfect union.

From Obama's December 27, 2007, speech:

OBAMA: I've spoken to veterans who talk with pride about what they've accomplished in Afghanistan and Iraq, but who nevertheless think of those they've left behind and question the wisdom of our mission in Iraq; the mothers weeping in my arms over the memories of their sons; the disabled or homeless vets who wonder why their service has been forgotten.

And I've spoken to Americans in every corner of the state, patriots all, who wonder why we have allowed our standing in the world to decline so badly, so quickly. They know this has not made us safer. They know that we must never negotiate out of fear, but that we must never fear to negotiate with our enemies as well as our friends. They are ashamed of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and warrantless wiretaps and ambiguity on torture. They love their country and want its cherished values and ideals restored.

On Page 55 (hardcover) of his book, The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream (Crown, 2005), Obama wrote:

If we Americans are individualistic at heart, if we instinctively chafe against a past of tribal allegiances, traditions, customs, and castes, it would be a mistake to assume that this is all we are. Our individualism has always been bound by a set of communal values, the glue upon which every healthy society depends. We value the imperatives of family and the cross-generational obligations that family implies. We value community, the neighborliness that expresses itself through raising the barn or coaching the soccer team. We value patriotism and the obligations of citizenship, a sense of duty and sacrifice on behalf of our nation. We value a faith in something bigger than ourselves, whether that something expresses itself in formal religion or ethical precepts. And we value the constellation of behaviors that express our mutual regard for one another: honesty, fairness, humility, kindness, courtesy, and compassion.

In a March 11 entry to his blog, The Carpetbagger Report, Steven Benen called Goldberg's column "bewildering", writing: "I've noticed that much of Obama's message touches on explicitly patriotic themes, and has for several years. But today, Jonah Goldberg explains that it's unsatisfactory, because Obama doesn't specifically use the word 'patriotism' enough." Benen also quoted Frank Foer of The New Republic, who noted that the crowd at Obama's January 3 speech following the Iowa caucuses began chanting "USA! USA!" Foer wrote:

Still, his [Obama's] emphasis on the "nation" -- one of his most recurrent themes -- is also one of his most appealing. I don't think I've ever heard a crowd of Democratic primary voters erupt in a spontaneous display like this. It was a genuinely moving moment, and another leading indicator of his electibility. Liberals who credibly bathe themselves in patriotism greatly increase their chances -- and, in this case, prepare themselves well for running against John McCain.

Goldberg's claim echoes the comments of Fox News Washington managing editor Brit Hume, who on the February 19 edition of Fox News' America's Pulse asserted, "[T]here is this feeling, and it has affected Democratic politicians for a long time, that they are kind of embarrassed by patriotism."

Expand All Expand 1st Level Collapse All Add Comment
    • Author by wzwriter (March 11, 2008 7:47 pm ET)
         
      Jonah Goldberg dodges the words and concepts of facts, truth, and valid information.
      Report Abuse
      • Author by IRONY 101 (March 11, 2008 7:53 pm ET)
           
        Damn...you stole my words.  ;>) Good one, WZ.
        Report Abuse
      • Author by IRONY 101 (March 11, 2008 7:53 pm ET)
           
        Damn...you stole my words.  ;>) Good one, WZ.
        Report Abuse
        • Author by IRONY 101 (March 11, 2008 7:54 pm ET)
             

          Why do I keep getting double posts?

          Report Abuse
          • Author by snoopy (March 11, 2008 8:44 pm ET)
               

            Because you go both ways? :)

            Couldn't help meself, I can never pass up a setup!

            Report Abuse
          • Author by wzwriter (March 12, 2008 7:52 am ET)
               

            Why do I keep getting double posts?

            Perhaps the MMFA software thinks your words are worth repeating.  :-)

            Report Abuse
      • Author by captfoster2 (March 12, 2008 12:53 am ET)
           

        Thom Hartmann had Jonah Goldberg on his show a couple of weeks ago and I still wonder why Thom would even waste his time with a brainless twit like him?

        Jonah contributes to 'journalism' and 'authorship' of books what plaque does for the heart!

        Report Abuse
    • Author by magnolialover (March 11, 2008 7:47 pm ET)
         

      I can only think of 2 reasons why Obama would skirt that word and talk about Patriotism. Must be because:

      A: He's a Muslim, and how can THEY be patriotic after all.

      B: Must be because he's a fascist right Jonah? You schmuck.

      Report Abuse
    • Author by zamfir273114 (March 11, 2008 7:49 pm ET)
         
      National Review Online editor-at-large.

      That explains it.
      Report Abuse
      • Author by wzwriter (March 11, 2008 7:53 pm ET)
           

        National Review Online editor-at-large.

        That means he wasn't good enough to find work at a real publication.

        Report Abuse
    • Author by juliajayne (March 11, 2008 7:54 pm ET)
         
      Jonah needs to come down from that painted patriotism pony.
      Report Abuse
      • Author by snoopy (March 11, 2008 8:22 pm ET)
           

        Fighting patriots of the net
        Trained to lie, and obfuscate
        Dweebs who fight with factless words
        Courage deep, from the right wing tirds

        'merican flags, stuck in their chest
        Low in lead, they're China's best
        Most of those pins will soon turn green
        But only three will catch gangrene!


        Trained to live, off Limbaugh's hand
        Trained like sheep, the right wing brand
        Dweebs who fight with factless words
        Courage deep, from the right wing tirds

        'merican flags, stuck in their chest
        Low in lead, they're China's best
        Most of those pins will soon turn green
        But only three will catch gangrene!

        In the kitchen, mommy waits
        Hard cooked dinner, cold on the plate
        In the basement, the net's a hummin
        Dang near sounds, like someone's cummin!

        'merican flags, stuck in their chest
        Low in lead, they're China's best
        Most of those pins will soon turn green
        But only three will catch gangrene!

         

        Sorry Barry. My Uncle John said hi, and said you would understand.

        Report Abuse
    • Author by roundhouse (March 11, 2008 8:19 pm ET)
         
      Go sit on a telephone pole, Goldberg you PC twit. You will not tell me what a patriot ought to be.

      Obama's standing for his principles and that's way more important than any stupid superficial appearances. If people think it's more important to appear patriotic than to practice the patriotic act of freedom of expression, then I would suggest such a person has no real concept of patriotism.

      Conservatism is morally bankrupt, it has ruined our country's common wealth with its market fundamentalism and destroyed our global credibility by menacingly pursuing the doctrine of pre-emptive war and torture. I have absolutely no desire to listen to the lies and distortions conceived by someone who subscribes to such a hedonistic ideology as conservatism.
      Report Abuse
      • Author by lemoc (March 11, 2008 8:36 pm ET)
           

        Hi Roundhouse.  Long time...

        Now.  How do you REALLY feel about it?

        Report Abuse
        • Author by roundhouse (March 11, 2008 8:51 pm ET)
             
          Hey, what's up least enthusiastic member of collectivism? It has been a long time.

          I guess I pretty much summed up my feelings. I can expand on some themes if you like!
          Report Abuse
      • Author by wzwriter (March 12, 2008 8:51 am ET)
           

        Conservatism is morally bankrupt, it has ruined our country's common wealth with its market fundamentalism and destroyed our global credibility by menacingly pursuing the doctrine of pre-emptive war and torture. I have absolutely no desire to listen to the lies and distortions conceived by someone who subscribes to such a hedonistic ideology as conservatism.

        Well said, Roundhouse!!!!  :-)

        Report Abuse
        • Author by greatjob (March 12, 2008 5:27 pm ET)
             
          If you move past the absurdity of a liberal accusing conservatives of hedonism, then yes, well said indeed!
          Report Abuse
          • Author by roundhouse (March 12, 2008 6:15 pm ET)
               
            Riiiight. The red states may be overpopulated with alcoholic, porn addicted adulterers but by golly they ain't got queers livin' there, so they couldn't be hedonists.

            Check yourself. Blue states don't roll like that.
            Report Abuse
            • Author by greatjob (March 13, 2008 2:04 pm ET)
                 
              Can you show me some statistics that back up that statement? You think most Republicans behave that way? I guess all Blue Staters paint with a broad brush like you. Not a fair conclusion, huh? What about abortion as a form of birth control (what is, in my mind, the ultimate hedonism)?
              Report Abuse
              • Author by progressive tribalist (March 14, 2008 1:14 am ET)
                   
                Scroll down to the chart on pg. 10. Put on your spectacles, I did, and read the state by state stats on pregnancies for girls and women ages 15-19yrs.

                I know its not alcoholism or porn addiction as stated by RH and I know it's not really an indication of loose morals or anything but there they are...

                http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr52/nvsr52_10.pdf
                Report Abuse
                • Author by greatjob (March 14, 2008 3:54 am ET)
                     
                  I agree, but I don't see how that casts a bad light on Republicans.
                  Report Abuse
    • Author by Clevenative (March 11, 2008 8:34 pm ET)
         

      pho·ny also pho·ney play_w("P0254100")  

      adj. pho·ni·er, pho·ni·est

       1. Jonah Goldberg

      Report Abuse
    • Author by yruasking218 (March 11, 2008 11:13 pm ET)
         

      So, according to Jonah Goldberg, liberals are fascists, but they also aren't patriotic.  How can you be fascistic and unpatriotic?  Does Goldberg know that words mean things?

      Report Abuse
      • Author by solon (March 13, 2008 10:38 pm ET)
           
        To a wingnut it just has to be derogatory to liberals it doesnt have to actually make sense.
        Report Abuse
    • Author by tman418 (March 11, 2008 11:27 pm ET)
         
      "Corporations who legally avoid taxes"

      a.k.a. "Corporations who don't pay their share and force the lower income people to make up for the lost revenue".
      Report Abuse
      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 11, 2008 11:37 pm ET)
           

         "He proposes a Patriot Corporation Act that would punish corporations that legally avoid U.S. taxes."

        Yeah, I really hate people who try to show their love for America with empty gestures like trying to rein in corporations from using the tax laws they help create to shift the tax burden to their employees.

        Why can't Obama do something meaningful, like put a pin on his jacket?

        Report Abuse
    • Author by fawltylogic (March 11, 2008 11:46 pm ET)
         
      Well, sure MMFA, but has Obama talked about boycotting France, dressed up as a fighter pilot or said "I'm a patriot"? Didn't think so. That proves he's a communist-fascist.
      Report Abuse
      • Author by IRONY 101 (March 12, 2008 12:58 am ET)
           

        "That proves he's a communist-fascist."

        A Hafrican Muslim communist-fascist at that...oh, and who hates white people, too.   ;>) 

        Report Abuse
    • Author by open_mind (March 12, 2008 1:02 am ET)
         

      Presidential candidates need to wear flair.  The more flair, the more they believe something.  Personally, if every other candidate is wearing a single flag pin, Obama should wear two - just to prove he loves the country twice as much as the other guy.

      /sarc/

      Is this how these conservative talking heads want the debate for the presidency to go?  Is there some kind of competition for the dumbest argument going on here?

      Report Abuse
      • Author by IRONY 101 (March 12, 2008 1:11 am ET)
           

        "Obama should wear two"

        Yep, and bell-bottoms, too...with lotsa flair. ;>)

        Report Abuse
      • Author by jon c (March 12, 2008 1:54 pm ET)
           
        remind me, what is it that is the last refuge of a scoundrel?
        Report Abuse
    • Author by ex-punk (March 12, 2008 4:04 am ET)
         
      If Goldberg ever made sense it would be by accident or for the wrong reasons.  Conservatism is all about "me," not national unity. 
      Report Abuse
    • Author by magnolialover (March 12, 2008 8:15 am ET)
         
      Don't forget, if Obama gets elected, he's going to bring Sharia law into effect immediately... I received an e-mail forward from a friend of a friend about that. That's gotta be the craziest one that I've heard so far. Unfortunately, I heard someone I work with talking about it in hushed tones because, yes, they believe it.
      Report Abuse
      • Author by IRONY 101 (March 12, 2008 8:37 am ET)
           
        If you got it thrrough an e-mail it's got to be true. But just to be on the safe side perhaps you might want to run it past Glenn Beck to see what he thinks.  ;>)
        Report Abuse
    • Author by tony rome (March 12, 2008 9:50 am ET)
         
      So if Goldberg and other conservatives are so patriotic, why are so many of them chickenhawks? They love to bellow that Clinton dodged the draft of a war he opposed, yet so many pro-war conservatives used every means possible to get out of a war they supported. Bush got a pampered Guard unit, as did Quayle, Cheney got 5 deferments, Ashcroft had 7, Gingrich 9, the list of pro-war cowards is extensive.

      Check out awolbush.com, click the link for 'who served' and see for yourself.
      Report Abuse
      • Author by historygeek001 (March 12, 2008 1:37 pm ET)
           

        Tony,

        Apparently they had "other priorities."  I've heard that a lot from young neocons who support the war but won't enlist.

        Report Abuse
    • Author by night-n-day (March 12, 2008 10:04 am ET)
         

      Does it really need to be said that Jonah Goldberg has about as much credibility as George W Bush?

      Christ, I long for the day when their are ADULTS in Washington discussing RELEVANT issues (ie. the failure of US imperialism as foriegn policy, fiscal responsibility, infrastructure repair, etc.), and the frat boys and panty sniffers in the Republican Party go back to their million dollar mansions and die! Republicans (Bush, Goldberg, Limbaugh, etc.) have zero understanding of what Americans deal with because they have known only the blue-blood lifestyle! Which is why they spend their time questioning Americans patriotism instead of their own.

       

      Report Abuse
    • Author by tbone (March 12, 2008 2:18 pm ET)
         

      The illogic is staggering: 

      And it's a crying shame, despite the fact that the Democrats' rhetorical disadvantage is a huge boon for the Republicans. DECODED: Republicans should call Democrats traitors based on inadequate demonstrations of faux patriotism.

      One cannot credibly talk of love of country while simultaneously dodging the word and concept of patriotism. And, I would argue, one cannot sufficiently love one's country if you are afraid to say so out loud. DECODED:  Democrats are traitors because they don't demonstrate enough faux patriotism.

      Better that our politics be an argument about why and how we should love our country, not about whether some do and some don't.  DECODED: I claim the high ground (by stating debate should be on issues as long as they revolve around America Uber Alles) in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to the fact that I just penned an entire article declaring Obama and his wife traitors due to insufficient faux patriotism.

      Amazing.

      Report Abuse
    • Author by xititjur3300 (March 12, 2008 2:19 pm ET)
         

      I really need to be lectured about patriotism by a guy who puts a Hitler mustache on a smiley face and then uses the smiley face with the Hitler mustache as book cover art.

      Yep, that's the person who I would call if I needed a lecture on patriotism.

      Nothing screams patriotism like drawing a Hitler mustache  on  a smiley face. 

      Note to Goldberg:  Get back to us when your intellectual, moral & philosophical sensibilties evole past that of a 10 year old. 

        

      Report Abuse
    • Author by Squeaky Wheels (March 12, 2008 4:41 pm ET)
         
      Republicans have expressed tremendous hatred toward the US government in recent years.  Is that not unpatriotic?
      Report Abuse

my.MediaMatters.org

Login  Sign Up

Push Back

Phone calls, emails and letters from the public do make a difference. Remember that to be effective you must be polite, and professional. Express your specific concerns regarding that particular news report or commentary, and indicate what you would like the media outlet to do differently in the future.