Fox News' Camerota falsely asserted Dem bill "would strip telecommunications companies of their immunity"
SUMMARY: Fox News' Alisyn Camerota falsely claimed that House "Democrats are pushing legislation which would strip telecommunications companies of their immunity." In fact, the House Democrats' bill does not "strip" telecommunications companies of immunity; it provides immunity prospectively, leaving intact existing immunity provisions under current law and leaving to the courts the question of whether the telecom companies are immune from suit for their prior alleged cooperation with the government in its warrantless domestic wiretapping program.
During the March 14 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, co-host Alisyn Camerota falsely asserted of a House Democratic proposal to amend the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), "The Democrats are pushing legislation which would strip telecommunications companies of their immunity." In fact, the House Democrats' bill does not "strip" telecommunications companies of immunity; it provides immunity prospectively, leaving intact existing immunity provisions under current law and leaving to the courts the question of whether the telecom companies are immune from suit for their alleged prior cooperation with the government in its warrantless domestic wiretapping program. While, as the Los Angeles Times noted, the bill "would not shield AT&T, Verizon and others from dozens of lawsuits they are already facing for giving the government access to their networks under a secret warrantless wiretapping operation authorized by Bush after the September 11 attacks," the proposal would specifically establish prospective immunity: "Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no cause of action shall lie in any court against any electronic communication service provider for providing any information, facilities, or assistance in accordance with a directive issued pursuant to" the legislation.
Twenty Democratic members of the House Judiciary Committee said in a March 12 statement that "we have taken care in legislation that has passed already and in proposed future legislation to ensure that relevant carriers receive prospective legal immunity for taking specified actions in response to appropriate government requests."
The bill would leave for the courts the question of whether telecommunications companies are immune from suit for cooperation between September 11, 2001 through January 17, 2007. A March 14 New York Times article reported that one of the "key elements" of the House bill was that "it would refuse retroactive immunity to the phone companies, providing special authority instead for the courts to decide the liability issue." Describing what was then a House Democratic proposal, the New York Times reported on March 11, "Under the proposal, the courts would be given authority to hear classified evidence in the civil suits -- perhaps on an 'ex parte' basis, with only one side in attendance -- to determine whether the companies are immune from liability."
In a March 13 statement addressing President Bush's insistence that Congress grant retroactive immunity, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) said:
The White House insistence that Congress provide telecommunications companies that participated in the President's surveillance program with blanket immunity is neither justified nor in keeping with our nation's legal tradition. In essence, the President is asking Congress to immunize companies for their conduct -- despite the fact that Congress is not sure what conduct it would be immunizing, and despite the fact that serious questions have been raised about the legality of the surveillance program. Congress owes the American people more than blind obeisance to the Executive Branch.
"This House bill would allow telecommunications companies which participated in the President's surveillance program to avail themselves of the legal defenses that currently exist, without providing blanket immunity. This approach is reasonable, thoughtful and appropriate.
From the March 14 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
CAMEROTA: OK, the battle over the budget was not the only drama on Capitol Hill last night. The House of Representatives closed its doors to the public for an hour to take up a hotly debated surveillance bill. This was the first closed session in 25 years.
The Democrats are pushing legislation which would strip telecommunications companies of their immunity. President Bush promises to veto the bill if it passes. The House meets later today to debate on that spy measure, this time out in the open.















Baffles the mind doesn't it?
I wonder if its all complicity or if stupidity is also a measurable cause.
In the words of the immortal Muddy Waters...
You can't lose what you ain't got;
You can't miss what you ain't never had.
For once Senator Sphincter got it right. He helped make it so that if there was fault it would be the government's not the telecoms. They were asked, right or wrongly, to help mine the phone numbers connected with known terrorists. They did what they were asked to do.
Unfortunately for trial lawyers, there is only hollow victory in proving that the government acted inappropriately. Hollow victories meaning that they would not be able to get one red, and I do mean red, cent from the government, and what's the fun in that? I mean, winning in court to prove a constitutional point with the only compensation being...a nice warm feeling in their precious lawyering hearts? Iis just not going to cut it. They only get the warm fuzzies I guess, when 33% of a bizillion dollars from the telecoms is part of their pure, snow white intentions of 'working for the people'.
So instead we get, "Hey Nancy, remember us and all that money we give the democrat party?"
2nd, this whole carrot of trial lawyers getting paid because Congress is going to take away immunity, which isn't true anyway, but I wish that it were, is BS. Why? Well, if you had been paying even a little attention, you'd know that early in February, there was a lawsuit filed against telecommunications companies for breach of privacy and all of that good stuff, but it was tossed out. Why? Because the evidence needed to be reviewed was classified, and probably always will be, so there is really no chance that any meaningful lawsuits are going to come out of this whether or not companies are given immunity or not. You need, you know, proof, and evidence to review and file lawsuits, but alas, this won't happen, again, classified stuff.
Magnolia said:
Hey, PC, first of all, it's the democratic party. You sound blissfully ignorant, and a right parrot when you call it the "democrat" party. Please, get it right.
Under the entry Democrat, Democratic, The Merriam Webster Dictionary of English Usage dismisses criticism of the spoken use of Democrat as an adjective saying, "...it is simply an attributive use of the noun...In print, Democratic with a capital D serves to distinguish the political designation from the borader lowercase use."
I guess you missed this part: "Democratic Of, relating to, or characteristic of the Democratic Party."
The correct, proper name is still the Democratic Party. You're not stupid, use it correctly. Or...maybe you can't because you ARE stupid.
You may call it the democratic party, but it is hardly democratic. Looking at the current race, Hillary is trying to get the superdelegates to overrule the will of the democrat voters, whom they hold in complete disdain.
in 2000 she was all for getting rid of the electoral college, which is not a democratic way to elect a president, and going for a straight popular vote. now, she's focusing on the electoral college and using it to bolster her argument that she should be the nominee.
Straw Man Argument!
The question was not it if is proper to use the term Democratic as an adjective. It clearly is.
The question is if it is proper to use Democrat as an attributive noun. One of the major references on English usage, Merriam Webster, says it is. Others cited by MMFA say is is not.
The proper name for the small state in New England is "The State of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations". Tell me the last time you heard someone else use that name for that state. People use alternate names for things all the time.
"The question is if it is proper to use Democrat as an attributive noun."
To PROPERLY use "democrat" as an attributive noun in reference to the Democratic Party...it should be "the party of the democrats" not "the democrat party"
And Pennsylvania isn't even a state...it is a commonwealth. How often do we hear THAT stated.
Donno, I'd heard the Gov will pay.
I'm glad The House went this far. Given the recent info on the FBI ilegal taping. It's nice, but respect for the law is not something I associate with this administration.
Remember when conservatives thought capitalism was this wonderful thing that worked public good out of the greed of individuals?
Remember when conservatives cared so very much about the precise letter of the law?
Remember when conservatives wouldn't believe that an administration was using its power appropriately just because it said it was?