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March 16, 2008 4:32 pm ET

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SUMMARY: The Wall Street Journal, the Associated Press, and Reuters reported Sen. John McCain's claim that his trip overseas is unrelated to his presidential campaign without noting that McCain's trip includes a fundraiser in London or that McCain campaign representatives have reportedly acknowledged the political strategy behind the trip.

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In articles noting Sen. John McCain's weeklong trip to the Middle East and Europe, The Wall Street Journal, the Associated Press, and Reuters reported McCain's claim that the trip is unrelated to his presidential campaign without noting that McCain's trip includes a fundraiser in London or that McCain campaign representatives have reportedly acknowledged the political strategy behind the trip. By contrast, reports by the Los Angeles Times and The Washington Post juxtaposed McCain's claim that his trip was not a campaign event with the fact that he will be holding the London fundraiser.

In a March 15 "The Week Ahead" article, The Wall Street Journal reported that McCain is "tak[ing] an overseas detour from the campaign trail this weekend to the Middle East and Europe. The Arizona senator says he is doing it as a ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, not the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. He insists this isn't a campaign trip." While the article then asked, "How could it not be?" it went on to state: "Sen. McCain is adamant that he will keep the focus on national security and won't talk politics but 'understands the charge' that some people will still see this as a campaign trip."

Similarly, a March 16 Reuters report stated that McCain is visiting Iraq "as a member of a fact-finding mission for the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee" and noted that "McCain, who will be the Republican choice in November's presidential election, and Senate allies Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and South Carolina Republican Lindsey Graham will also visit Israel, Britain and France." The report also stated: "While acknowledging that leaders like British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy might see the trip as a chance to size him up as a potential president, McCain has said he is not travelling as a candidate."

A March 16 AP report on McCain's arrival in Baghdad likewise uncritically reported McCain's denial that his weeklong trip was campaign-related: "Before leaving, McCain said the trip to the Middle East and Europe was a fact-finding venture, not a campaign photo opportunity."

By contrast, in a March 15 article, the Los Angeles Times noted McCain's plans to hold a fundraiser:

McCain has stressed that it will be a routine Senate trip focused on military and security issues and that he will not discuss presidential politics during his travels.

The campaign, however, will hold a luncheon fundraiser for McCain at London's Spencer House on Thursday.

The Washington Post also reported March 15 that "McCain plans to hold a fundraiser in London on Thursday, and costs associated with it will be paid for by the campaign, a spokeswoman said."

Also, on the March 6 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, congressional correspondent Dana Bash reported that McCain "advisers tell CNN" that the purpose of McCain's overseas trip is to "stay[] in the headlines" and promote the "imagery of a leader comfortable on the world stage":

BASH: McCain's biggest challenge now is staying in the headlines. Knowing that, his advisers tell CNN they have a series of events planned to try.

First, travel abroad. Later this month, McCain will go to Europe and meet with key allies and also go to the Middle East.

McCAIN: I've spent my entire life addressing national security issues.

BASH: The goal: not just words, but imagery of a leader comfortable on the world stage, hoping it provides a contrast to the Democrats' political brawl.

From the March 15 Wall Street Journal article, headlined "McCain Trip May Enhance Perceived Foreign-Policy Edge":

John McCain takes an overseas detour from the campaign trail this weekend to the Middle East and Europe. The Arizona senator says he is doing it as a ranking member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, not the presumptive Republican presidential nominee. He insists this isn't a campaign trip.

How could it not be?

With the Democratic nomination still hotly contested, most of the media attention these days goes to Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Sen. McCain's trip, including a stop in Iraq, puts him back in the limelight. And in precisely the mode he wants.

[...]

Sen. McCain is adamant that he will keep the focus on national security and won't talk politics but "understands the charge" that some people will still see this as a campaign trip. He points to his regular trips overseas, including seven other visits to Iraq, as proof that this is only more of the same. Even so, this will be Sen. McCain's first trip as a general-election contender and will likely be received differently by world leaders and U.S. allies.

From the March 16 Reuters report:

McCain, who will be the Republican choice in November's presidential election, and Senate allies Joe Lieberman of Connecticut and South Carolina Republican Lindsey Graham will also visit Israel, Britain and France.

Analysts see the trip as a chance for McCain to show off his knowledge of foreign policy and military affairs while Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama fight out a bitter Democratic nomination process at home.

While acknowledging that leaders like British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and French President Nicolas Sarkozy might see the trip as a chance to size him up as a potential president, McCain has said he is not travelling as a candidate.

From the March 16 AP report:

McCain, a strong supporter of the U.S. military mission in Iraq, is believed to be staying in the country for about 24 hours.

"Senator McCain is in Iraq and will be meeting with Iraqi and U.S. officials," said Mirembe Nantongo, spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad.

This is the senator's eighth visit to Iraq. He's accompanied by Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent, and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. Before leaving, McCain said the trip to the Middle East and Europe was a fact-finding venture, not a campaign photo opportunity.

The senator last met with Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki during the Thanksgiving holiday.

[...]

McCain's weeklong trip also includes stops in Israel, Jordan, Britain and France.

He is expected to meet with British Prime Minister Gordon Brown for the first time, and French President Nicolas Sarkozy for the third time. He met and corresponded with Sarkozy both before and after the French president was elected. They last saw each other last summer.

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    • Author by notanotherconservative2254 (March 16, 2008 5:19 pm ET)
         

      Most people know that anything that happens during the election year is "campaign related", so this should come as no surprise to any adult.

       I think that what McCain is actually trying to do is to distance himself from all of the scandals going on in the USA. And, as an Obama supporter, let me say that I am really worried about what is happening in the Democrat Party.

       Zogby Poll: McCain Bests Both Obama, Clinton in 3-Way General Election Tests

       Daily Presidential Tracking Poll

       "Looking to November, John McCain now holds a slight lead over both Democrats in the General Election. It’s McCain 47% Obama 43% and McCain 46% Clinton 43% (see recent daily results)."

       ---------------

      Also, the story is not over for Obama who has a lot of questions that he must  answer:

      First Problen - Resko

      Brian Ross - ABC News

      Rezko Played Bigger Role, Obama Says

       

      Next Problem - 

      earmarks for wife:

      Senator Barack Obama on Thursday released a list of $740 million in earmarked spending requests that he had made over the last three years, and his campaign challenged Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton to do the same.


      The list included $1 million for a hospital where Mr. Obama’s wife works...

       

       -----------------------------------------------------------

       

      I am hoping that Obama can come back and deal with all of these issues, but I'm afraid that simply pointing out that McCain held a fundraiser is not going to cut any ice.

       

      GO OBAMA!!!!!!

       

       

       

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      • Author by BottleBlonde (March 16, 2008 5:51 pm ET)
           

        Hey, look over there.

        The subject is the fact that some in the media are allowing McCain to be less than honest about the upcoming trip.

        The fact that educated people know that he's not being totally honest is irrelevant. They need to call him on that behavior. He shouldn't get a pass on it because we know it already.

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        • Author by bruce1ace (March 16, 2008 6:37 pm ET)
             
          What is the upside for McCain saying his trip is not campaign related?  I'm not following why that would be a problem either way.
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          • Author by Clevenative (March 16, 2008 7:12 pm ET)
               
            Because WE, the taxpayers, are paying for it?
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          • Author by BottleBlonde (March 17, 2008 9:10 am ET)
               

            Summary: The Wall Street Journal, the Associated Press, and Reuters reported Sen. John McCain's claim that his trip overseas is unrelated to his presidential campaign without noting that McCain's trip includes a fundraiser in London or that McCain campaign representatives have reportedly acknowledged the political strategy behind the trip.

            What's the upside? That he gets the political benefits of this trip while trying to claim that there could be no possible reason he was taking this trip other than him doing his job. The media is ignoring the political benefits to a man running for President.

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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (March 17, 2008 1:44 pm ET)
             
          And that his other "adviser"  ( Cheney ) is over there with him
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      • Author by worrierking (March 16, 2008 6:08 pm ET)
           
        Thanks for your concern.
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        • Author by mary59 (March 16, 2008 6:22 pm ET)
             
          notANOTHER conservative uses the term "democrat party" while his text and links try to cast a negative light on Obama. Gee, makes me think he isn't REALLY an Obama supporter, but a sneaky underhanded little weasel. Could it be?
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          • Author by worrierking (March 16, 2008 8:19 pm ET)
               
            Right, Mary.

            See his post below. Once again, he's "terribly concerned" in his first paragraph, then in the second he say"...well my concern is just all the greater because I truly just love the guy and hope that he can win! ".

            Despite his claims, his concern seems awfully hollow.

            Oh, and nice blues parody about Gramps too.
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            • Author by mary59 (March 17, 2008 11:20 am ET)
                 
              Thanks. Grampa McCain aka Caspar, a ghost of his former self, while the press talks about his persona of many years ago. Of course the press is also a ghost of their former selves...
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          • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 10:58 am ET)
               

            Mary,

            The "Democrat Party" is becoming part of the lexicon. The only one's who seem concerned about it are the party loyalists here. There is no disrespect toward the party as members of the party are called Democrats. So calling the party the same, while technically incorrect, correctly identifies the party.

            Time to embrace it and move on.

            Happy St. Patrick's Day!  

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            • Author by mary59 (March 17, 2008 11:14 am ET)
                 
              And may you get to heaven a half hour before the devil knows you're dead :-)

              Embrace Luntz's framing? No thanks, honey.
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            • Author by ConstanceRifleII (March 17, 2008 11:34 am ET)
                 

              "The "Democrat Party" is becoming part of the lexicon. The only one's who seem concerned about it are the party loyalists here."

              And why do you think that is? Because the Republicans think its a pejorative term.

              I'm no party loyalist, and I find it rude and insulting. 

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            • Author by worrierking (March 17, 2008 11:41 am ET)
                 
              Here's a deal for you AA,

              You "embrace the title, "Brain Dead Party of Bedwetters" for the Republicans, and I for one will "embrace" the name "Democrat" Party.
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              • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 2:08 pm ET)
                   

                Worrier,

                Your over-the-top attempt at a derogatory analogy does not, in my opinion, do your side any good. Something like the "Rebublic Party" would be analogous to "Democrat Party" and I don't have any problem with that.

                Oh, if you can get your name to catch on, go right ahead. :-)  

                In the meantime don't buy into that fact that leaving the "ic" off is derogatory.  It's not. Complaining about it only looks to me like you (as a group,) are being paranoid. If the word "Democrat" were a putdown, then calling one a Democrat would also be insulting. I for one don't happen to think it is. Do you? 

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                • Author by worrierking (March 17, 2008 2:37 pm ET)
                     
                  Who the hell are you to define who we are?

                  The term Democrat Party was conjured up by an RNC focus group. It was conceived as a derisive term to describe the Democratic party. You claim that it is accepted now and it is not. It is a divisive name used to demean anyone who doesn't agree with the powers that be.

                  You missed the point entirely.
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                  • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 2:56 pm ET)
                       

                    Worrier,

                    I am simply giving you my opinion. Do as you wish. If you think the word Democrat as opposed to the word Democratic is derisive, that simply makes me laugh. I don't care who made it up. You fell for it.  I personally think it makes you (as a group,) look paranoid. If you want to keep tilting at this windmill, by all means, please do so.

                    I doubt that few, (Democrats or Republicans,) even notice the difference.  

                     

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                    • Author by CB-ohio (March 17, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
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                      *applauds* Way to keep changing what someone says.

                      The word "Democrat" is not a pejorative word. It's a noun. And when capitalized, a proper noun.

                      Using it as an adjective is not only bad grammar, but, as pointed out, it's focus-grouped to ensure that it makes those in the party "rats." This is why it's only used by people who think it's hilarious to needle people, rather than debate on merits and abilities. One side has them, the other side seems to cry foul when they're brought up.

                      Democrat, noun. Democratic, adjective. Democratic Party, proper grammar. Democrat Party, grammar of school kids. Clear enough now? 

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                      • Author by ConstanceRifleII (March 17, 2008 4:54 pm ET)
                           

                        Though I agree with everything else, a noun can modify a noun.

                        "shoe store"

                        "Tennis ball" 

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                    • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 4:20 pm ET)
                         
                      If that is true you are an idiot
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                    • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 4:21 pm ET)
                         
                      Oh by the way idiot is becoming part of the lexicon for ReNAMBLAcans. You just look foolish when you object and tilt at windmills. Just embrace it and get over it.
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                • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
                     
                  Then you are dumb as a post or lying your butt off. Why did they START calling it something OTHER than its actual name after more than ONE HUNDRED YEARS? What was the impetus to BEGIN using Democrat Party? You ReNAMBLAcans really think you can just get away with these lies and false frames and dont even go to the trouble of making up BELIEVABLE lies. Just because a substantial part of YOUR party has been brainwashed by the screechmonkeys to the point they believe ANYTHING they tell them doesnt mean its going to work on US. The Democratic Party has a proper name and it isnt too much to ask that it be used.
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            • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 17, 2008 2:00 pm ET)
                 

              AA,

              So, your party names ours?  Can we name yours?  Who on the Left has embraced the term the "Democrat" Party?

              By the way, AA, PC, others, what do you make of this:

              CNN’s Kyra Phillips speaks to some Iraqi soldiers about the U.S. presidential election and democracy in Iraq. While they spoke enthusiastically about the American soldiers teaching them discipline and how to effectively combat their enemies in Iraq, the soldiers were less effusive in their praise for those managing the war and their plans for bringing about democracy. Phillips tried in vain to locate any McCain supporters among the group.

              “Just to be perfectly clear here, I did ask them are you following any of the republican candidates?…Do you want to talk about John McCain? Within that whole group, not one wanted a republican in the US presidential seat. They were all for a democrat. They were all for that type of change because they said they were living a republican war.”

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              • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 2:16 pm ET)
                   

                Fried,

                Is your quote referring to Iraqi soldiers wanting a Democrat for President?

                As with anyone, they are entitled to their opinion.

                As far as the reporter looking for McCain supporters among those Iraqi soldiers, So what? Do they vote?

                This anecdote, although interesting, proves nothing. It could simply be the bias of the reporter. Who knows?   We'll just have to wait till November.

                Happy St. Patrick's Day! 

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                • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 17, 2008 2:20 pm ET)
                     

                  AA,

                  It is what the Iraqi Army has seen.  They are the ones we are supposedly fighting for.  They want a change in leadership.  I just thought it was interesting.  Besides, McCain has just advocated for more of the same.  Do you really think the country is better after 8 years of Bush rule?

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                  • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 2:39 pm ET)
                       

                    Fried,

                    It is a long stretch to take the few this reporter spoke to and extrapolate it to the entire Iraqi Army don't you think?

                    You may be correct that the Iraqi's might want a Democrat as President. But your example doesn't prove that. And even if it does, since they don't vote, it doesn't matter. I for one am not going to base my vote on what a reporter says a few Iraqi soldiers have told her.

                    In some ways I think the country is better off, in others I do not. I think Bush's spending and handling of the the illegal immigration issue has been terrible. Have we, up till this quarter, had lots of growth in the economy and jobs, yes.

                    I see McCain as continuing Bush's policy in Iraq, but different domestically.  Feel free to disagree. :-)

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                    • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 17, 2008 2:49 pm ET)
                         

                      AA,

                      Of course the group she found does not speak for the entire Iraqi army, but it is telling she couldn't find ONE who wanted the war to be conducted the same way going forward.  How do you propose we keep the number of troops the same as when we performed the surge?  How many of the political goals of the surge that Bush outlined in his speech when he proposed the surge have been met?  NONE.  I think a draft is coming if we want to continue to keep the number of troops in Iraq the same.

                      As for the economy, Greenspan is calling our financial situation the worst since WWII! Forclosures are at record rates, Gas is at an all-time high and the dollar is at an all-time low against the Euro.  How could those three measures be worse?

                      Could you point me to the differences in McCain's domestic policy that differ from Bush's?  I think we are at a crucial crossroads in history.  Bear Stearns just had to be bailed out.  Do you trust the policies that got us to this point in history to turn this around?

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                      • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 3:15 pm ET)
                           

                        Fried,

                        You agree with my point about the Iraqi's. This reporter saying she couldn't find one, doesn't tell me anything.  

                        I do not believe the Bush plan calls for an indefinite surge. My guess is that troops will be drawn down by McCain as the generals see fit although I haven't studied the McCain position paper on that issue.

                        I agree the mortgage loan issue is a problem. Was it all the Bush Administration's fault?  I don't yet know.  Is the Bear Sterns issue the Administration's fault?  If so, would McCain follow the same path?  I think that has yet to be determined.

                        Do I think Obama or Hillary raising taxes will help? No I do not. I think cutting spending would help. Do I think BHO or HRC will cut spending? No I do not.  Do I think "cutting and running" in Iraq will help. No I do not. Do I want someone who is ultra-liberal with regards to abortion as President?  No I do not.  Do I want more originalists on the Supreme Court. Yes, I do. 

                        So, looking at the choices, I tend to drift toward McCain. I forget now if you've shared your preference?  Whom do you like? Why? 
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                        • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 3:22 pm ET)
                             

                          I don't know what happened to that last paragraph.

                          I wrote: So, looking at the choices, I tend to drift toward McCain. I forget now if you've shared your preference. Whom do you like? Why?

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                        • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 17, 2008 3:35 pm ET)
                             

                          AA,

                          I see you have the talking points down to a science.  Neither Obama nor HRC is going to "cut and run" from Iraq.  Obama plans to move the troops home over 16 months according to his website without any permanent bases in Iraq.  He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy.  If Al Qaeda attempts to establish a base, he said he will move the troops back in.

                          As far as cutting spending goes, the war has been the largest expenditure.  What do you propose cutting?  Thanks to the Republicans, my generation NOT YOURS will have to pay back this massive debt.  Do you feel comfortable just giving this debt to my generation to pay back? 

                          The bottom line on taxes for me is that if we have to rebuild our roads and infrastructure, I don't mind paying taxes.  I favor a tax raise to where it was before Bush cut it to pay for the war.  How irresponsible is it that we actually had a President cut taxes in a time when he spent more money than anyone before him?  If McCain wants to cut spending, fewer wars would be a great start!

                          As far as being ultra-liberal on abortion, how do you propose to stem the numbers of abortions?  Sex education would be a start, but Republicans (not speaking for you here because I don't know your thoughts) seem to only advocate abstenence education.  More education would help.  If you are for outlawing abortion, do you plan on investigating miscarriages as well?  If a woman loses her fetus, and abortion is illegal, is she subject to criminal investigation because there is a chance that an abortion was performed?  No one is "for" having many abortions, many just want it as an option.  I think if you are worried about spending outlawing abortion isn't the way to go.  How will you house so many unwanted children?  Finally, on a less serious note, will you open carpool lanes for expecting women?

                          As for the originalist argument, what is your background in law, AA?  And, do you think the Constitutional process that outlawed slavery was what the founders had in mind?  I.E. not allowing the Southern states back in until they agreed to ratify.  Define Originalist for me, please.  Also, what do you think about judges who overturn the laws of Congress the most, are they activist?

                          I appreciate the discussion.

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                          • Author by friedbergboy1422 (March 17, 2008 3:36 pm ET)
                               
                            And, I am voting for Obama because I like his ideas on diplomacy and bringing people to the table rather than the idea of more war and conflict.  Before you bring up his pastor, I urge all McCain supporters to examine the statements of Wright in context and then tell me why they are scarier than the views of Rod Parsley whose endorsement McCain sought.  AA, did you read that article I linked on the other thread?
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                          • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 3:45 pm ET)
                               

                            Fried,

                            Thanks for sharing your thoughts. You make a lot of good points. There is much in what you said to discuss. I'm sure we'll have a chance down the line to continue. I don't know what others think but as for this thread, we have really strayed off topic. 

                            Catch ya later.  

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                          • Author by ConstanceRifleII (March 17, 2008 3:57 pm ET)
                               

                            On the abortion issue, the way I understand it, before Roe v Wade, abortion was legal, if you were willing to pay enough for it.  In other words, abortions were still prevalent, they were just done while skirting the laws.  The term "back-alley abortion" applies to these instances because in many cases the operations themselves were dangerous and, without regulations, unwittingly caused the deaths of many women.  Therefore, Roe v Wade only made those practices available to everyone, and safer for women than they were.

                            Yes, it is tragic, which is why I believe abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.  

                            It starts with sexual education and instilling safe sex values early.  Abstinence is a good philosophy in theory, but it's too absolutist and an unattainable goal.  People are going to have sex, it's deeply rooted in our nature, and no amount of abstinence-only education is going to help that.

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                • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 4:24 pm ET)
                     
                  I couldnt read your post. Since clearly you are too ignorant to use the proper name of the DemocratIC party nothing you post can be taken seriously. You ReNAMBLAcans are just morons
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            • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 4:15 pm ET)
                 
              NO, you are a liar. IT is COMPLETELY meant with disrespect and it isnt UP TO YOU to tell us how to act. I am sure it is part of the ReNAMBLAcan agenda to get the DemocratIC party to lay down quietlyl and accept its insults and dont EVEN insult my intelligence again with this no disrespect meant BS Time for you guys to GROW UP. As long as you are going to pitifully and derisively use the WRONG NAME for the party you can expect us to take exception.
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              • Author by anotheramerican (March 18, 2008 1:17 pm ET)
                   

                Solon,

                Your posts on this topic always make me laugh. You give yourself a pass to write the most derogatory and pejorative descriptions here but you go apocalyptic if someone writes "Democrat Party" rather than "Democratic Party".

                I have no problem referring to the Democratic Party by that name and continue to do so. I am only pointing out, what I perceive, as a paranoia on many here regarding the name. You epitomize that paranoia.  

                Go ahead and continue to use your childish reference to the Republican Party. You prove my point. 

                Physician, heal thyself. 

                 

                 

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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 17, 2008 2:49 am ET)
             
          Worrierking, NAC has been trolling around here for months with his/her "as an Obama supporter" spiel. It's a paranoid republican, and not even a good act.
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          • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 10:54 am ET)
               

            Col.

            To disavow a Republican Obama supporter with honest criticisms seems a bit paranoid too.

            Happy St. Patrick's Day!  

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            • Author by ConstanceRifleII (March 17, 2008 11:31 am ET)
                 

              AA, if you take the last month or so of NAC's comments, it's very easy to read between the lines that he's not actually an Obama supporter.  I'm not saying he is or isn't, I'm just saying you can read it that way.

              That being said, I love this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/obamas-minister-committe_b_91774.html

              and I suggest you read it, even if you aren't a fundamentalist.  Because let's face it, a dominant wing of the Republican party lies in those statements, and the hypocrisy of it all is astounding.

               

               

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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 17, 2008 3:30 pm ET)
                 
              Happy St. Patrick's Day to you too, AA. I think you're the only one here thick enough to be falling for NAC's act. But that's just my opinion. Feel free to disagree. Thanks for the laugh. :)
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      • Author by socal7425 (March 16, 2008 6:09 pm ET)
           
        While we're on the subject of the media..anyone notice on Meet the Press this morning that Bill Bradley, an Obama surrogate, actually got away with saying Hillary said "as far as she knew, Obama is a Muslim"..no challenge from Russert.
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      • Author by tbone (March 16, 2008 6:27 pm ET)
           

        Three threads now where you've gone directly off topic to express your concern about Obama issues but them lamely try to cover your tracks with the "Go Obama" closer.

        You are an RNC plant or justanotherconservative.  Either way I'm calling you out.

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        • Author by notanotherconservative2254 (March 16, 2008 6:44 pm ET)
             

          That is just so very unfair, t.   I am terribly concerned that Obama is going to lose in the general unless he deals with some very significant issues.  Whether or not McCain calls this trip a 'campaign' event is irrelevant.

          And now that we are starting to see come real decline in Obama's poll numbers, well my concern is just all the greater because I truly just love the guy and hope that he can win!

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          • Author by solon (March 16, 2008 7:28 pm ET)
               
            You arent fooling anyone.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (March 17, 2008 3:34 pm ET)
                 
              Not true, Solon. Anotheramerican seems to be buying it. Funny that the prank intended to trick the stoopid liberals only worked on one gullible Republican. ;0)
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              • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 4:26 pm ET)
                   

                The assimilated are conditioned. They believe what they are TOLD to believe unless it comes from the left.

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          • Author by tbone (March 16, 2008 7:36 pm ET)
               

            Then your links are unnecessary.  Senator Obama did a 90 minute interview with the Chicago Tribune and Sun-Times Friday.  He said what there is to say.  There is no clean bill of health here by his own admission.

            Cease and desist with your "concern".  We follow the news.

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          • Author by Clevenative (March 16, 2008 7:37 pm ET)
               

            These polls mean NOTHING in regards to the General Election.  We are more than 7 months away from the General Election and people are actually worried about polls? Even for the Democratic nominee, we are 3-5 months away from a decision! I’m sure you’ve followed presidential campaigns in the past – ANYTHING can happen.

            If it gives you any consolation, a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll released this past week shows that American voters prefer a Democrat in the White House by a wide 50 per cent to 37 per cent margin.

            There’s no way the country will vote in another Republican administration in 2008 – even if Reagan was resurrected from the dead!

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      • Author by solon (March 16, 2008 7:27 pm ET)
           
        Since you arent bright enough to even KNOW the name of the largest political party in the US why should we take anything you say seriously?
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (March 16, 2008 6:03 pm ET)
         

      "McCain has said he is not travelling as a candidate."

      Of course he isn't...he's travelling as a straight taling maverick. And I'm sure at his stop in Israel his recent endorsement by self-professed Christian Zionist Rev, John Hagee will never cross anyone's mind either. ;>)

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    • Author by eniobob2631 (March 16, 2008 6:39 pm ET)
         

      Quite an interesting photo-op for McCain in the Baghdad market he was in,he had on cap,shirt etc.Graham had on jacket etc,no sign of Liberman.

      But Ithought it was quite interesting the soldiers were"strapped" and there were many surronding McCain stroll threough the market plus what we couldn't see.

      Wish someone would tell him we have quite a few problems here at home.

      Oh I forgot he's not that well versed on economic issues.

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    • Author by mary59 (March 16, 2008 7:50 pm ET)
         
      Freight train McCain Blues

      Straight talk, Maverick, labels that last

      Pundits like them, out of the past

      They don't tell what train he's on

      So they won't know where he's gone.

      Johnny's straight talk, going round the bend

      All his integrity, gone again

      He can't seem to turn that train around

      And his honesty can't be found.
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    • Author by proudconservative (March 16, 2008 9:14 pm ET)
         

      Guess what chaps?  McCain looks statesmen-like so that we he says that he has spoken with world leaders, then he can tell the American public that they want him to win the election, just like Kerry had those endorsements in 2004!

      http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2004/s1062077.htm

      and algore in 2000!

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/wh022398.htm

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      • Author by worrierking (March 16, 2008 9:40 pm ET)
           
        "Statesmen-like"?

        Gramps couldn't get any more statesmen-like than signing a few bars of Bomb, bomb, Iran.
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        • Author by wzwriter (March 17, 2008 10:18 am ET)
             

          "Statesmen-like"?

          I think that Dumb Conservative is trying to say that John McCain is like a Nash Statesman - old, rusty, and 50 years behind the times...

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      • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 1:03 am ET)
           
        More stupid tripe from ProudMoron who doesnt even TRY to contribute to the discussion and just posts excuses to use his contemptuous and snide little nicknames. Its ignorant when Rush does it. Its ignorant when YOU do it. Why dont you let the grownups talk and go play nice with the other challenged children?
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        • Author by wzwriter (March 17, 2008 10:27 am ET)
             

          Why dont you let the grownups talk and go play nice with the other challenged children?

          The other challenged children don't want anything to do with Moronic Conservative - they think he's beneath them.....  :-)

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      • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 11:15 am ET)
           

        Proud,

        At this point the four replies I read above are not interested in discussing your take but really only offering another round of insults toward you and McCain. Oh well, it's Monday and some need to vent while their candidates save the Republicans millions worth of negative ads this fall.

        McCain saying his trip overseas is not political is like a politician saying, "To be honest with you..." :-)  Who said he doesn't have a sense of humor?

        Happy St. Patrick's Day everyone!  

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        • Author by nerzog (March 17, 2008 12:34 pm ET)
             
          If you follow PC's links, it's apparent that he's just trying to be an a$$hole.... so the posted responses are appropriate.
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          • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 2:26 pm ET)
               

            Nerzog,

            I find it laughable that you defend posters for hurling childish insults simply because you disagree with the poster.

            Seems to me like many of you accept and encourage a much, much lower standard of discourse for those that agree with you than those that don't.  If you think insulting posters is warranted, in my opinion that doesn't help win anyone over to your side. But do as you like.

            Happy St. Patrick's Day!

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            • Author by worrierking (March 17, 2008 2:52 pm ET)
                 
              AA, you dismiss the insults directed towards Democrats while blaming anyone who might say anything insulting to your comrades.

              If you don't want to see insults, learn to accept that the name of the party is The Democratic Party. Follow the links that our friend the concern troll uses to bash Senator Obama while proclaiming that he supports his candidacy.

              You are not and ""as far as I know" have never been a trouble maker. Notanotherconservative is and has been since he began posting here. He doesn't add anything but straw to the fire.
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              • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
                   

                worrier,

                I do try to stay even handed. However I know I am not perfect. Sometimes I notice replies from conservatives who take the same insulting tack as the progressives. Just recently I tried to consul someone who looked new to me to not respond to insults by insults. Othertimes I admit, I have let petty items alone. Good point on your part.

                I think we can all agree that the insults don't add to the conversation and really only make the insulter look childish no matter where they land on the political spectrum. Can't we?

                That being said, a well placed zinger is always fun. :-)  I guess the trick is to know the difference.  

                 

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                • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 4:33 pm ET)
                     
                  Nice attempt to imply the progressives started this insultfest. Its ludicrous but I guess you are honor bound to push the false frame at ALL times.
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            • Author by ConstanceRifleII (March 17, 2008 2:53 pm ET)
                 

              I agree about insulting other posters.  I generally try to refrain from doing it, but sometimes ridicule is warranted (though I don't believe in this instance.)

              For example, I think even you can agree that posters such as Finarfin, with his blatantly racist rants, and Copious Dissent, with his hit-and-run silliness, rightfully deserve ridicule. 

              It's going to happen, I generally just gloss over them, unless it's particularly snarky and makes a very good point.

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              • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 3:40 pm ET)
                   

                DB,

                I try to take every thread as a new one. If one is trash talking to me in one thread but says something interesting on another, I very rarely go back to the previous thread. I'll admit I find the continued insults to be rather childish. I don't think anyone ever solved anything here by insulting others. It stifles communication in my opinion and serves only diminishes the person doing the insulting. I find it it interesting that some long-time contributors do not see that. I've seen some get very exorcised about someone else saying "Democrat Party" when they will use all sorts of derogatory and childish insults themselves toward anyone whenever they feel like it.  What amazes me is that they are not even aware of how hypocritical they are. 

                Thanks for the discussion. 

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                • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 4:43 pm ET)
                     
                  I also take each thread as a new one and try to take each post as a new one. Democrat Party is a frame MEANT to convey contempt. It is a purposeful derisive insult. It will obviously be up to ME how I take it.  My take on insults is well known. I try to be reasonable when reason is what is being done but I wont take the insults and ask if I can have another. I think its time progressives fought back. We have been the butt of Coulter, Limbaugh and Savage type derision long enough without fighting back and now posters think since its what they HEAR its fine for them to do. That is why so many rightwingers come in here blazing insults at us then whine like little punks when the insults come flying back. They think its just the way you talk since its what they hear from rightwing hate radio. Also you will NEVER see a derisive name for the GOP from me unless it is in response to a similar characterization from that poster. I find it in poor taste. The opposition party DESERVES respect. In political discourse respect should be the default position. Until it becomes clear the other person in the discourse is NOT going to treat YOU with respect. THEN in my opinion, its on.
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            • Author by nerzog (March 17, 2008 3:35 pm ET)
                 
              AA, I really doubt the possibility that anything I say or don't say can "win anyone over to my side". People like PC are diehard conservatives, and would cut off their right arms before voting for a Democrat. They come here to insult us, so, since we cannot sway them, why not respond in kind?
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              • Author by anotheramerican (March 17, 2008 3:54 pm ET)
                   

                Nerzog, It is my opinion that ignoring them is the cruelest cut of all.

                I remember for the longest time I would simply scan to the bottom of the threads and if I saw your name at the bottom, would simply pass it by. At some point it seemed to me, you started to lighten up with the over-the-top rhetoric and I found your posts interesting and fun to read even if I disagreed. Since then we've had many interesting discussions which I have enjoyed. 

                On the whole, I do believe the level of discussion is much higher than it used to be. That is a credit to everyone.  

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              • Author by proudconservative (March 17, 2008 4:23 pm ET)
                   

                Eggnog,

                I say that I take offense at the notion that I come here to insult you.  I do take this seriously and I try to put an opposing view with others invited to respond.  I disagree with the premise of this site that the media is driven by conservatism or is anti-liberal.  That is what my postings related to.

                Now, I have admitted that I like to lighten things up, but I never use verbage that is foul, hateful or vindictive.  I do tease about the names people use on this site (because some just demand it!) but I stop when the individual asks nicely.  I sometimes do ask why they are used.

                As far as the links above, of course they were made to add to the subject and make it clear that both sides of the debate are present.  Earlier I also linked to this trip by McCain as in part being paid for by his campaign.  MM(vl) did not include this item in their story.  I think the links were reasonable approaches to fully discuss the subject.

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                • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 4:36 pm ET)
                     
                  You are a LIAR. I have seen you continue to use your derisive snide nicknames after you have been asked to stop. You arent fooling anyone either poking at is is ALL you do. Your passive aggressive snarkyness and derisive contempt is in NO WAY better than honest hostility. You can pretend it is but it isnt. I for one prefer honest hostitlity to the false mask of civility hiding such contempt. In my opinion you are pathetic
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                • Author by ConstanceRifleII (March 17, 2008 5:16 pm ET)
                     

                  "I disagree with the premise of this site that the media is driven by conservatism or is anti-liberal.  That is what my postings related to."

                  So tell me, what makes you believe the "liberal media" myth?  I've only heard one theory, in that more journalists lean to the left, therefore the media is inherently liberal.  And that one's easy to debunk, in a myriad of ways.

                  1.  Though individual journalists may be more liberal (and I wonder why that is?  Maybe because they have to dig for the truth...), the corporations that they work for are decidedly not liberal.  If you understand the top-down structure of the news media today, you realize that it's no longer free and independent, and is under the thumb of big business that only seeks to make a profit.

                  2.  There is an article MMfA itself did on newspaper columnists, and if I could find it (can someone find it? It used to be in the lower right hand corner of the home page) it can show you how something like 90% of columnists in newspapers (the opinionators) are conservative.  Take a look at your local paper's editorial section.  Mine has George Will and...that's it.  George Will and editorials about local issues.

                  3.  This site's premise is not that the media is driven by conservatism.  It is that mis-information is spread through the mainstream media that is factually inaccurate, and it is usually reported without question.  

                  The "liberal media" is one of the biggest hoaxes the right has achieved.  Just because you believe the myth doesn't mean it's true.

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                  • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 5:41 pm ET)
                       
                    Exactly so. In fact, as I have said several times. I dont think the liberal/conservative frame fits for the media. More of a bussiness bias. It is more reflective of elite opinion. What used to be called the Eisenhower, country club Republicans. That would break down, not monolithically but  basically, economic conservative and socially liberal. In the poll I SAW of reporters, and notice how they leave off publishers and owners, they considered themselves to BE economically conservative though the majority said they leaned Democratic. By leaving this inaccurate frame the right can point to certain biases  that again reflect elite opinion which can be seen as liberal and we can spend all day pointing out conservative economic and foriegn policy bias and we get nowhere. The media in order to DO their job HAVE to maintain the illusion they are watchdogs of power while in fact they SERVE power. They are very touchy about not being seen as fair. Since the rightwing has worked the refs on that issue so long I have seen a more rightward tilt in the media and though it was NEVER liberal per say now its just ludicrous to even attempt to maintain that mindless talking point. The point IS I am still not saying the media is conservative either. I say it just isnt that simple.
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            • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 4:30 pm ET)
                 
              I find it laughable you defend ProudMoron for his childish insults then whine so piteously when he is treated the same way. You ReNAMBLAcans really hate it that you dont have the exclusive franchinse on rudeness anymore. ProudMoron has no interest in discussion he only posts to tweak us, poke us and annoy us. Anyone with a normal IQ can see this.
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        • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 4:28 pm ET)
             
          More WWAAAAHHHHHH its ok for ProudMoron to use derisive nicknames and insulting frames but its just so MEAN when he is treated the way he treats others. You really should grow up.
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      • Author by solon (March 17, 2008 5:50 pm ET)
           
        I didnt even go to your second site ProudMoron since your first was a partisan hitpeice that repeated the LIE that Kerry said FORIEGN leaders when even the guy who wrote the quote admitted he got it wrong and Kerry said MORE leaders. That was covered AT THIS SITE. Since you have no problem LYING to try to make your point its apparant you HAVE NO POINT. This is just an excuse for more of your derisive contempt. You are pathetic
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (March 17, 2008 1:32 am ET)
         
      Not campain related ??  Does Mccain actually think the observing public is stupid ?? Photo-ops for upcoming commander-in-chief ads ? I am sure public funds are used for this trip.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (March 17, 2008 2:15 am ET)
         

      Apparently the Iraqis see McCain's visit there as political...

      http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/17/world/middleeast/17mccain.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

      Unfortunately the market that NcCain visited a year ago is no longer considerd safe enough for him to visit again... 

      http://thinkprogress.org/2008/03/16/mccain-market-iraq/

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    • Author by moondancer (March 17, 2008 10:39 am ET)
         
      You need to get used to using the phrase "Media uncritically..."  the love fest with the Arizona lunatic is healthy and unabashed.
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    • Author by nerzog (March 17, 2008 12:16 pm ET)
         
      Of course it's political. Isn't he travelling with Darth Cheney? The only reason they're there is to say "Look... see how wonderful we've made it over here? Wasn't this a brilliant foreign policy decision?"

      Since McCain has totally embraced Bush's fiasco, it's to his benefit to make it look like invading Iraq wasn't such a boneheaded thing to do, after all.
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      • Author by worrierking (March 17, 2008 4:09 pm ET)
           
        I'm pretty sure that McCain was not traveling with Cheney.

        The tie fighter is a one seater.
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        • Author by nerzog (March 17, 2008 5:55 pm ET)
             
          You may be right.... Gramps McCan't appears nowhere in this picture.

          http://www.liquidmatrix.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/darth_cheney.jpg
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