Scarborough claimed McCain "has never attached himself to these people on the far right that say if you're gay, you're going to hell, et cetera"
SUMMARY: Joe Scarborough asserted on MSNBC's Morning Joe: "John McCain has never attached himself to these people on the far right that say if you're gay, you're going to hell, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera." In fact, McCain has "attached himself to" some notable religious figures who have made controversial statements, among them John Hagee and Rod Parsley.
On the March 18 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, discussing controversial comments by Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Sen. Barack Obama's former pastor, host Joe Scarborough claimed that Sen. John McCain "has never attached himself to these people on the far right that say if you're gay, you're going to hell, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera." Scarborough later added, "Please, don't bring up [televangelist] John Hagee in Texas and tell us that there is any comparison [to Wright], because there is not." Scarborough appeared with MSNBC analyst Rachel Maddow on the previous night's edition of MSNBC's Race for the White House, during which Maddow said that if she could "have Barack Obama do anything, I would have him go on the offense" concerning Wright, adding, "I would have [Obama] play the comments from Pastor John Hagee, where Hagee said that New Orleans deserved Katrina because they were going to have a gay pride parade." Contrary to Scarborough's assertion that McCain "has never attached himself to these people on the far right," Maddow noted that Hagee "has endorsed [McCain], and John McCain said he was honored by the endorsement." McCain has also accepted the endorsement of Rod Parsley, senior pastor of World Harvest Church in Columbus, Ohio, who has reportedly said of Islam, "The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed." In addition, while McCain called Rev. Jerry Falwell and Rev. Pat Robertson "agents of intolerance" in a 2000 speech, he said in a 2006 interview on NBC's Meet the Press that he no longer believed that about Falwell and later delivered a graduation speech at Falwell's Liberty University.
On February 27, prior to the March 4 Republican primary in Texas, Hagee, founder and senior pastor of Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, endorsed McCain at a press conference in which the two appeared together. Following Hagee's endorsement, McCain said, "All I can tell you is I'm very proud to have pastor Hagee's support." Hagee has made controversial statements about, among other topics, homosexuality, Islam, the Catholic Church, and women.
As Media Matters for America has noted, on the September 18, 2006, edition of National Public Radio's Fresh Air, host Terry Gross said to Hagee, "You said after Hurricane Katrina that it was an act of God, and you said 'when you violate God's will long enough, the judgment of God comes to you. Katrina is an act of God for a society that is becoming Sodom and Gomorrah reborn.' " She then asked, "Do you still think that Katrina is punishment from God for a society that's becoming like Sodom and Gomorrah?" Hagee responded:
HAGEE: All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are -- were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades. So I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing. I know that there are people who demur from that, but I believe that the Bible teaches that when you violate the law of God, that God brings punishment sometimes before the day of judgment. And I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans.
Earlier in the program, Gross had asked Hagee if he believed that "all Muslims have a mandate to kill Christians and Jews." Hagee replied: "Well, the Quran teaches that. Yes, it teaches that very clearly."
In his book What Every Man Wants in a Woman (Charisma House, 2005), Hagee wrote: "As I write this book, the issue of same-sex marriage rages on the front pages of America's newspapers and is seen on national telecasts each evening," and noted that "Massachusetts has just agreed to recognize same-sex marriages." Hagee added: "For a fact, Sodom and Gomorrah are being reborn in America." Several paragraphs later, he asserted that if the United States Congress failed to pass an amendment "recognizing only the marriage between a man and a woman," then "the gates of hell will be opened." He continued: "It will open the door to incest, to polygamy, and every conceivable marriage arrangement demented minds can possibly conceive. If God does not then punish America, He will have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah." He also wrote: "It is impossible to call yourself a Christian and defend homosexuality. There is no justification or acceptance of homosexuality," and "Homosexuality means the death of society because homosexuals can recruit, but they cannot reproduce."
Additionally, journalist Sarah Posner wrote in God's Profits: Faith, Fraud and the Republican Crusade for Values Voters (PoliPointPress, January 2008) that Hagee "complains that the military is downsized -- not that it matters since he predicts there will be a nuclear war to bring about Armageddon -- and blames it on Bill Clinton for making 'the military the habitat of homosexuals by executive order. ...The military will have difficultly recruiting healthy and strong heterosexuals for combat purposes. Why? Fighting in combat with a man in your fox hole that has AIDS or is HIV positive is double jeopardy' " (Page 83).
A March 7, 1996, article (accessed via the Nexis database) in the San Antonio Express-News reported that Hagee was going to "meet with black religious leaders privately at an unspecified future date to discuss comments he made in his newsletter about a 'slave sale,' an East Side minister said Wednesday." The Express-News further reported:
Hagee, pastor of the 16,000-member Cornerstone Church, last week had announced a "slave sale" to raise funds for high school seniors in his church bulletin, "The Cluster."
The item was introduced with the sentence "Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave."
The Wall Street Journal also noted the incident in a July 27, 2006, article:
To help students seeking odd jobs, his church newsletter, The Cluster, advertised a "slave" sale. "Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone," it said. "Make plans to come and go home with a slave." Mr. Hagee apologized but, in a radio interview, protested about pressure to be "politically correct" and joked that perhaps his pet dog should be called a "canine American."
In What Every Man Wants in a Woman, Hagee wrote (Page 14):
Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick. Do you know the difference between a terrorist and a woman with PMS? You can negotiate with a terrorist.
He further wrote that "[o]nly a Spirit-filled woman can submit to her husband's lead. It is the natural desire of a woman to lead through feminine manipulation of the man." He added that a woman is, "by instinct, a manipulator of the situation. Fallen women will try to dominate the marriage. The man has the God-given role to be the loving leader of the home" (Pages 12-13).
On February 29, McCain released a statement in which he asserted that "in no way did I intend for his endorsement to suggest that I in turn agree with all of Pastor Hagee's views, which I obviously do not." On March 8, the Associated Press quoted McCain's assertions that "[w]e've had a dignified campaign, and I repudiate any comments that are made, including Pastor Hagee's, if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics" and that "I categorically reject and repudiate any statement that was made that was anti-Catholic, both in intent and nature. I categorically reject it, and I repudiate it." As Think Progress noted, on the March 11 broadcast of Bill Bennett's Morning in America, McCain said, "I repudiate any, any comments that are anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic, racist, any other. And I condemn them and I condemn those words that Pastor Hagee apparently, that Pastor Hagee wrote" and added, "I will say that he [Hagee] said that his words were taken out of context, he defends his position." But McCain has yet to address any of Hagee's specific remarks other than those concerning Catholicism.
In a March 12 article, Mother Jones Washington editor David Corn reported that Parsley had endorsed McCain on February 26, prior to the March 4 Republican primary in Ohio, at a campaign rally at which they both appeared. Corn reported that "Parsley praised the Republican presidential front-runner as a 'strong, true, consistent conservative,' " and that "McCain, with Parsley by his side at the Cincinnati rally, called the evangelical minister a 'spiritual guide.' "
According to Corn's article, Parsley wrote in Silent No More (Charisma House, April 2005), in a chapter titled "Islam: The Deception of Allah":
I cannot tell you how important it is that we understand the true nature of Islam, that we see it for what it really is. In fact, I will tell you this: I do not believe our country can truly fulfill its divine purpose until we understand our historical conflict with Islam. I know that this statement sounds extreme, but I do not shrink from its implications. The fact is that America was founded, in part, with the intention of seeing this false religion destroyed, and I believe September 11, 2001, was a generational call to arms that we can no longer ignore.
Fox News reported on March 15 that, "[r]egarding Parsley's comments on Islam, campaign officials point to McCain's denunciation of similar comments made by Rev. John Hagee -- noting that the presumptive GOP nominee was not endorsing Parsley by accepting the pastor's endorsement and does not agree with all of his views."
Jerry Falwell
The New York Times reported May 14, 2006, that McCain's appearance at Liberty University "came as Mr. McCain -- trying to establish an early dominance in the Republican presidential nomination battle -- has sought to ease tensions with Republican conservatives who have long been suspicious of his commitment to conservative ideals, a perception that was stirred by his difficult history with Mr. Falwell."
During a September 13, 2001, appearance on The 700 Club, Falwell reportedly said of the 9-11 attacks: "What we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be minuscule if, in fact, God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve. ... I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the A.C.L.U., People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say, 'You helped this happen.' '' Falwell subsequently apologized.
From the March 18 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe:
SCARBOROUGH: Here's the problem. I was on David Gregory's show last night -- great, great new show. There was a -- there was a moment when somebody said, "Well, you know, there are these right-wing pastors that have choirs that sing these hymns of hate." And I say, "But you know what? It's different with Barack Obama here." And this is his biggest problem, he's -- John McCain has never attached himself to these people on the far right that say if you're gay, you're going to hell, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
But Barack Obama is so attached to this pastor. His best-selling book, he let us all know, was inspired by this pastor's sermon. He let us know that this pastor brought him to Christ. He let us know that this pastor married he and Michelle, probably told us that. He let us know that this pastor baptized his two children. He let us know that this pastor played a key, key role in his life. Please, don't bring up John Hagee in Texas and tell us that there is any comparison, because there is not.
From the March 17 edition of MSNBC's Race for the White House:
DAVID GREGORY (host): But Rachel, if you hear that sound bite from Reverend Wright, and one of the things that's important to hear is the applause that he's getting. The mood in the room. Does Barack Obama have to straddle a line here and try to explain to people who might be turned off by this kind of rhetoric that it comes from someplace real? Inside the African-American community -- that he can represent the African-American community, can Barack Obama, while also being a kind of post-racial presidential candidate?
MADDOW: I think he could do that. But I think he's already tipped his hand that he's not going to. He posted on Huffington Post on Friday night, Barack Obama did. And he very, very, very emphatically distanced himself from and condemned those remarks by his pastor. He's not condemning his pastor, but he's condemning those sentiments.
If I could wave a magic wand and have Barack Obama do anything, I would have him go on the offense about this. I would have him play the comments from Pastor John Hagee, where Hagee said that New Orleans deserved Katrina because they were going to have a gay pride parade.
GREGORY: You're talking about Joe [sic] Hagee, who has endorsed John McCain?
MADDOW: John Hagee, who has endorsed him, and John McCain said he was honored by the endorsement.
GREGORY: Right.
MADDOW: He did distance himself from Hagee's anti-Catholic comments. But Hagee said that New Orleans deserved what it got from Katrina, that God was smoting them essentially for having a gay pride parade. I would play that clip.
GREGORY: Joe Scarborough, what's different? Get in here.
SCARBOROUGH: I wouldn't even -- I would make sure that people kept Rachel Maddow out of the room, because that is a fight that is good for Air America versus Rush Limbaugh.
MADDOW: Oh, come on, Joe.
SCARBOROUGH: That's a fight that's good for The Huffington Post versus the Drudge Report.
What Barack Obama has done that's magical this campaign season, and, yes, I will say the word "magical." He's unified people. He's made white Iowa come out and vote for him. He's made Republicans believe that even though he may disagree with him, he doesn't hate them. That is a change. That turns our back on eight years of Bush wars, eight years of Clinton wars. Barack Obama needs to remain the unifier, and I will tell you tomorrow he does need to go on the offensive. But he needs to go on the offensive against this speech, which most white voters in the states that he needs -- Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida -- sees this as hate speech.
He doesn't have to explain African-American churches. He doesn't have to explain his pastor. He needs to condemn this language, get it behind him, and say, "It doesn't matter whether it's from my church, or a church in Texas, or an Islamic mosque. We need to bring America together." That's his message. And he needs to distance himself from this speech as quickly as possible.















It wasn't worded, in the manner that Fox News framed it, for him.
"Can Obama's apology ( they assumed he would be apologizing) go far enough?"
Far enough to appease the right wing. Nobody could meet that criteria.
"Nope. wasn't good enough for Hannity, so joe doesn't have to accept it either."
I won't compare Hagee or Falwell, like Joe demands of us.
So I will then continue to speculate that Joe murdered his staffer in his DC office, because he was in Florida at the time.
The murder is still unsolved, yet Joe is spending lots of time on TV...not helping find the girls murderer.
Joe says he was in Florida.
I don't accept that as an excuse.
So I will then continue to speculate that Joe murdered his staffer in his DC office, because he was in Florida at the time.
The murder is still unsolved, yet Joe is spending lots of time on TV...not helping find the girls murderer.
Joe says he was in Florida.
I don't accept that as an excuse.
No doubt Joe was in Florida helping O.J. Simpson in his quest to search every golf course in America to "find the real killers" of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goodman..... :-)
You are so right!
Isn't it just like GOD DAMNED AMERIKKANS (as Obama's pastor and closest friend might say) to make such stupid remarks!!
God Bless Obama -
AND GOD DAMN AMERIKKA!
(AND DON'T FORGET - 9-11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.... AND AMERIKKKA INVENTED AIDS TO KILL BLACKS!!!)
Fun to watch...
Sometimes, watching Scarborough try to wriggle away from a holds-his-feet-to-the-fire opponent like Rachel is kinda like watching a tall, gangly, semi-coordinated guy trying hard not to fall after boldly walking out onto the ice.
You know it's gonna hurt, but it's still fun to watch.
Rev. Wright will have no more effect upon Obama than the Rev. Hagee has had upon McCain. McCain's association with Bush will harm him much more than either candidate's association with a member of the clergy. The importance of the clergy is overblown here. Hagee called the Catholic Church a 'Great Whore,' remember? And he's endorsed McCain. If you think there's a difference, here's your sign.
John McCain says, "Well I think it's important to note that pastor John Hagee who has supported and endorsed my candidacy supports what I stand for and believe in."
While Barack Obama has rejected the philosophy reflected in his pastor's inflammatory statements. When will John McCain reject the hate mongers who've endorsed him as has Barack Obama? When will John McCain stand shoulder to shoulder with Barack Obama to fight the bigotry, the anti-Catholic, the anti-semite, the racist, the homophobe, the misogynist? When will McCain display some shred of the integrity he has forfeited by aligning himself with such individuals?
http://midsouthblack.wordpress.com/2008/03/16/senator-barack-obama-has-a-rev-jeremiah-wrightsenator-john-mccain-has-a-pastor-john-hagee/
...the truth is have Rev Wright ever called for assination of another country President as Falwell did...
Actually, it was Pat Robertson who called for the assassination of Hugo Chavez.
If the shoe were on the other foot, I'm sure Scarborough would be the one of the first to use a football analogy in support of Obama and remind us of just what comes to my mind when I read his last comment...
The best offense is a good defense.
Weren't they saying that it isn't fair to blast McCain with hateful things said by Hagee? Of course, they'll swear that the Obama situation is somehow "different". Is it, really?
McCain is a white man who wears an American flag lapel pin, that's really why Scarborough gives him a pass.
Was McCain a member of Hagees church for the past 20 yeras? (I honestly don't know!) That may be the difference in the argument.
But Barack Obama is so attached to this pastor. His best-selling book, he let us all know, was inspired by this pastor's sermon. He let us know that this pastor brought him to Christ. He let us know that this pastor married he and Michelle, probably told us that. He let us know that this pastor baptized his two children. He let us know that this pastor played a key, key role in his life. Please, don't bring up John Hagee in Texas and tell us that there is any comparison, because there is not.
JS clearly defines what he means by "attached" and illustrates that there is a much closer relationship between BO and his pastor than McCain has with any of his endorsers. If MMFA shows similar connections between McCain and his endorsers then this headline has credibility. Without providing that connection Media Matters in engaging in "He Said- She Said". This story is bogus. Do some real investigating, not trash reporting, and try again please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyG3NhRfzjk
Joe does not get to define the terms that make up this glaring double standard.
C'mon Gov - use your common sense. If you can't see the difference JS was referring to here you too could become a rookie at MMFA and flub the next story.
I have higher expectations of the "watchdogs" and will hole them to a higher standard that this worthless story.
You have also fallen into the trap of putting your meaning to someone els's words. JS clearly defines what he means by "attached".
I am no big fan of JS - just pointing out there is no "misinformation" here.
Yes there is misinformation here. McCain is, in fact, attached to Hagee. You can question the level of connection, but it's there. Ans as for this:
SCARBOROUGH: But Barack Obama is so attached to this pastor. His best-selling book, he let us all know, was inspired by this pastor's sermon.
The title The Audacity of Hope – not the content –was derived from a sermon delivered by Wright. The book itself is like a stump speech that lays out Obama’s policy positions on issues on health care, the war in Iraq, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. As Magnolialover already points out, Obama mentions Wright once in the book.
See my response to Mags below.
I've seen many of your other posts Gov and know you have more sense than you are exhibiting here. If you are going to follow along that the level of attachment between McCain and Hagee is equal to that of BO and Wright you are dissing your own credibility for the sake of defending a hack story.
Oh, now we're talking about "the level of attachment". I thought you agreed with Scarborough that McCain has "never attached himself" to Hagee… when the very clear truth is that he has, in fact, attached himself to Hagee, at a press conference of his Campaign’s scheduling, for an endorsement that McCain proudly accepted, from a man who hates gay people, a man who’s "God" flooded New Orleans, a man who got to personally and on behalf of his “God” ask Bush to invade Iran, a man who McCain currently has as an ally and spiritual advisor, a man who Scarborough is ok with apparently for no other reason than the fact that he aint a loud black man.
You have proven Scarboro's point.
... and Scarborough's point - that McCain "has never attached himself to these people on the far right that say if you're gay, you're going to hell" - is flat out false.
You do realize that in Obama's book, Audacity of Hope, the only time Wright's name is mentioned is when he writes a sentence, one sentence, about where he got the name of the book from.
I suggest you read it, and then come back and tell us how that old hateful black man Pastor Wright was ALL over Obama's book. He wasn't.
Magnolia, don't confuse us with facts, gets in the way of the fearmongering about the scary angry black man.
Go back and carefully read what I lifted directly from the story. You missed something. Not everything JS says is attributed to the book. The book is one example of the "attachment". MMFA is not claiming JS misquoted BO's book - they are making a comparison between the "attachments" of the two candidates to respective faith personalities.
Ok, I'll accept that BO has a greater attachment to Wright than McCain has to Hagee. But I think that is canceled out by the number of right wing whackjob homophobe religious right supporters McCain has snuggled up to lately. I think Hagee, Parsley, Robertson, and Bob Jones, added up equal more than one Wright.
Has McCain rejected Hagee? Has he rejected Parsley? If not, does that mean he hates Catholics? If not, why not?
I know these subtleties are difficult for the Conservative mind to grasp, but try real hard and let us know if you need help.
Apparently Joe is too busy being on TV to ever watch it. I've haven't googled Parsley myself yet, but Hagee is more than enough. McCain's very much "attached himself" to that vile man and his mindless cultic followers. I can't say I blame him - you need to kiss all kinds of religious @$$ to get the 'Pub Nom... But you look pretty stupid to then go say that he's never done it!!!
I've always thought Joe was one of the better ones too. Conservative and biased, to be sure, but not in the same league (or even playing the same SPORT) as the likes of Sheer Insanity, Rash Windbag, Glen Hack, Bill O'Lielly, Savage Weiner and Mann Coulter. I still say he's a helluva lot better than that lot, but he really should have done his homework here. He had a chance to keep them honest (which he has done in the past on occasion) and pissed it away.
But then... tough questions have a liberal bias I guess.
On the other hand, McCain probably disagrees with most of what Hagee stands for and spews in his sermons, but he can't reject the man because he needs the Troglodyte vote to win in November. It's a purely political calculation.
Now, which position shows the most courage and character?
I'm Gay
I'm not going to heaven
I'm not going to hell
I'm going to the crematorium on 6th and Market St - sorry, but it's already bought and paid for!