Chris Wallace criticizes Fox & Friends for "two hours of Obama bashing" in which hosts "distort[] what Obama had to say"
SUMMARY: Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace criticized the hosts of Fox & Friends for engaging in "two hours of Obama bashing" and for "distorting" comments Sen. Barack Obama made about his grandmother in a radio interview on March 20.
During an appearance on the March 21 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends, Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace criticized the program's hosts for engaging in "two hours of Obama bashing" and for "distorting" comments Sen. Barack Obama made about his grandmother during an interview on Philadelphia sports radio station 610 WIP the previous day.
In that interview, Obama further explained a reference he made to his grandmother in a March 18 speech on race and the controversy surrounding his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, saying: "The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity -- she doesn't. But she is a typical white person who, you know, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way. And that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. And what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little bit less like that, and that's pretty powerful stuff." During the segment, Fox & Friends aired a clip truncating Obama's remark three times, cutting it off right after Obama says, "typical white person," although on two of those occasions, co-host Brian Kilmeade then paraphrased the next portion of Obama's remark. Co-host Gretchen Carlson also twice falsely claimed that Obama "said the same exact phrase ["typical white person"] during the speech on Tuesday [March 18]."
Appearing on Fox & Friends, Wallace said: "I have been watching the show since 6 o'clock this morning when I got up, and it seems to me that two hours of Obama bashing on this 'typical white person' remark is somewhat excessive, and frankly, I think you're somewhat distorting what Obama had to say." He continued:
WALLACE: I've actually ... clipped it out of the paper ... and what he said was: "The point I was making was not that my mother [sic] harbors any racial animosity -- she doesn't. But she is a typical white person," which is where you generally have clipped it ... but what he went on to say is, "who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes comes out in the wrong way. And that's just the nature of race in our society."
Wallace later went on to add:
WALLACE: Well, I mean, all I can tell you is that I've been watching on and off for a couple of hours, and every clip I've seen ends at "that's a typical white person," when, in fact, he's going on to discuss the nature of race in our country. And, again, I'm not saying it was the -- if he had it to do over again, that he'd necessarily say it that way, but I don't think that he was making a hyper racial remark. And I guess I just feel like, on a day when he's been endorsed by Bill Richardson, and we have this story about the passports and the State Department officials looking into them, I feel like two hours of Obama bashing may be enough.
Noting that Obama "gave a major speech on Iraq on Wednesday [March 19], and a major speech on the economy yesterday [March 20]," Wallace also stated: "I think they [the Obama campaign] would say, in terms of deflecting attention away from the issues, people who really want to hear about it, maybe it's the media doing it, not Barack Obama."
On two occasions earlier in the program, after Fox & Friends aired the first portion of Obama's March 20 remark, cutting it off right after Obama referred to "a typical white person," Kilmeade had paraphrased the next portion of Obama's statement where he said, "if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way." However, about 15 minutes before Wallace appeared on the program, Fox & Friends again truncated Obama's comment, but this time, rather than mention the next portion of Obama's statement, as Kilmeade had done twice before, Doocy stated: "There you have Barack Obama yesterday on the radio in Philly trying to further explain his mention of his white grandmother during a speech he gave in Philadelphia on race. ... We just asked our viewers, 'Are you offended at Barack Obama referring to his grandma as a "typical white person"?' They are."
In addition, after one instance in which Kilmeade referred to the next portion of Obama's quote, Doocy replied: "That's right, that's the rest of his sound bite. But the three words are 'typical white person,' which he used right there." Carlson then falsely claimed: "[H]e said the same exact phrase during the speech on Tuesday." Earlier in the show, Carlson had similarly stated:
CARLSON: [W]ithin that speech, he talked about his grandmother -- his own grandmother -- who was white, and how she was a, quote, "typical white person." I don't know, guys. I sort of take offense at that line, "typical white."
In fact, Obama did not use the term "typical white person" when discussing his grandmother during the March 18 speech:
OBAMA: I can no more disown him [Wright] than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother -- a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who, on more than one occasion, has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.
These people are part of me, and they are part of America -- this country that I love.
Concluding his appearance on Fox & Friends, Wallace told Doocy, Kilmeade, and Carlson: "Thank you, guys. I still love you." Doocy replied: "Yep. OK. An odd way of showing it."
From Obama's March 20 interview with WIP, in which he elaborated on the speech's reference to his grandmother:
OBAMA: The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity -- she doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, you know, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way. And that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it. And what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little bit less like that, and that's pretty powerful stuff.
From the March 21 edition of Fox News' Fox & Friends:
DOOCY: In the meantime, speaking of sports, Barack Obama was on WIP sports radio yesterday in Pennsylvania. Why? Well, because there's a big primary coming up at the end of April -- April 22nd. He needs a lot of votes in Pennsylvania.
However, he said something that probably -- it was not such a good thing to say. Here is Barack Obama on WIP yesterday.
OBAMA [audio clip]: The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity -- she doesn't. But she is a typical white person.
CARLSON: Uh-oh.
DOOCY: Uh-oh.
KILMEADE: Well -- "who" -- he went on to say, "who, if she sees someone on the street she doesn't know, there is a reaction that has been bred into her experiences that come out in the wrong way. "
CARLSON: Well, you know, this is all going back to his speech that he gave Tuesday morning in Pennsylvania with regard to race and disavowing himself to a certain extent from his reverend, Jeremiah Wright. But within that speech, he talked about his grandmother -- his own grandmother -- who was white, and how she was a, quote, "typical white person." I don't know, guys. I sort of take offense at that line: "typical white."
KILMEADE: See, I don't.
DOOCY: Sort of?
CARLSON: I do. I do. Because I don't know that a black person could -- or a white person could say, "a typical black person."
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DOOCY: Speaking of Barack Obama, he gave that big speech to try to answer his critics regarding the fiery comments from the pulpit from his longtime reverend, Jeremiah Wright. He had that big speech in Philadelphia. In his speech, he did at one point talk about his white grandmother, how she would be afraid of seeing black guys on the street. Well, yesterday, he did an interview in Philadelphia with WIP sports radio. They asked him about that comment. This comment gets him into more trouble.
OBAMA [audio clip]: The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity -- she doesn't. But she is a typical white person.
KILMEADE: And if she sees someone down the street she doesn't know if the -- her reaction -- the way she was bred into her experiences, she might take things the wrong way.
DOOCY: That's right, that's the rest of his sound bite. But the three words are "typical white person," which he used right there.
CARLSON: Yeah, and he -- well, he said the same exact phrase during the speech on Tuesday. A lot of people picked up on that phrase and thought that it was offensive to some. I mean, I think we talked about this earlier; when you over-generalize any group of people, I usually don't like that, because I don't -- I just don't like being generalized like that.
DOOCY: Well, yeah, but can you say -- can you say "typical white person" if you're white? Can you say it -- if Hillary Clinton said "typical black person"?
CARLSON: No --
DOOCY: Or typical --
CARLSON: -- she can't say that.
DOOCY: She can't say that.
CARLSON: So there is a certain double standard in society. I think it's wonderful that we're talking about race relations --
DOOCY: Sure.
CARLSON: -- but if we're going to talk about it, then we shouldn't make gross generalizations, 'cause that just gets us more in trouble.
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OBAMA [audio clip]: The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity -- she doesn't. But she is a typical white person.
DOOCY: There you have Barack Obama yesterday on the radio in Philly trying to further explain his mention of his white grandmother during a speech he gave in Philadelphia on race. Meanwhile, it looks like Hillary Clinton is gaining some ground on Barack Obama, according to some new polls.
Joining us right now with a fair and balanced debate, we've got Republican strategist Andrea Tantaros and Democratic strategist Regina Calcaterra, both live. Good morning, ladies.
TANTAROS: Good morning.
CALCATERRA: Good morning.
DOOCY: All right. We just asked our viewers: "Are you offended at Barack Obama referring to his grandma as a 'typical white person'?" They are. What do you think?
CALCATERRA: I think this is going to hurt him, 'cause this is going to be something that's going to play over and over. And when he wins the Democratic nomination -- 'cause I still think that he's probably going to be the likely winner -- the McCain campaign is going to use it and splice it, and it's going to hurt him.
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DOOCY: Do you know what? That sounds almost like a bathroom they would build next to the office of Chris Wallace, the host of Fox News Sunday. Chris, you must have a fantastic facility there for you, right up on the Capitol Hill area?
WALLACE: Hey, guys. Listen, I love you guys, but I want to take you to task, if I may respectfully for a moment.
DOOCY: Yes.
WALLACE: I have been watching the show since 6 o'clock this morning when I got up, and it seems to me that two hours of Obama bashing on this "typical white person" remark is somewhat excessive, and frankly, I think you're somewhat distorting what Obama had to say. I've actually --
KILMEADE: All right.
WALLACE: -- clipped it out of the paper --
DOOCY: All right.
WALLACE: -- and what he said was: "The point I was making was not that my mother [sic] harbors any racial animosity -- she doesn't. But she is a typical white person," which is where you generally have clipped it.
DOOCY: No.
WALLACE: But what he went on to say is --
DOOCY: Chris --
WALLACE: -- "who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, there's a reaction that's been bred into our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes comes out in the wrong way. And that's just the nature of race in our society." I'm not saying it's the most felicitous remark that anybody ever made, but --
DOOCY: No, Chris, sure. Chris, hold on, hold on just --
WALLACE: -- but I think it's a little more complicated than we've been portraying.
DOOCY: Right. We've actually read the complete sound bite three times so far. But what -- and we've posed this question to our viewers, whether or not they were offended by that. It just seems curious that had -- because Barack Obama said this and people are going, "Oh, you're being too sensitive," or whatnot, but had Hillary Clinton said something on the other side, had she said, "Well, that's a typical Irish person, Polish person, Italian person, Swedish person," whatever, it'd hit the fan.
WALLACE: Well, I mean, all I can tell you is that I've been watching on and off for a couple of hours, and every clip I've seen ends at "that's a typical white person," when, in fact, he's going on to discuss the nature of race in our country. And, again, I'm not saying it was the -- if he had it to do over again, that he'd necessarily say it that way, but I don't think that he was making a hyper racial remark. And I guess I just feel like, on a day when he's been endorsed by Bill Richardson, and we have this story about the passports and the State Department officials looking into them, I feel like two hours of Obama bashing may be enough.
KILMEADE: Well, here it is, Chris. I know you watched, and I appreciate you respecting us enough to say it on camera, as opposed to writing an email because I think it's better for our viewers to understand we don't agree on everything. But in all seriousness, as you know, if you watch the show and you pump out the transcript, which for $1.25 you can have your own, I am on -- I have said the other way about this sound bite because I really felt as though I got a different meaning of it than maybe Steve and many other people and Gretchen got. So, we've been debating that back and forth to the point where we ate up two other talking points, and they were telling us to move on. Did you get that texture of the conversation?
WALLACE: Well, I must say I missed your saying that during the time that I was doing 20 hits, but I just sort of feel that, you know, he is trying to have -- Obama -- and I have my differences with the Obama campaign, and I certainly do not countenance a lot of the things that Jeremiah Wright said, but I think that in trying to have a sensible conversation about race, and I think that's what he was trying to do in an -- it wasn't a speech -- it was an extemporaneous interview with a local talk radio station in Philadelphia, he was saying something about the way a lot of white people react when they see a black person walking down the street. I happen to actually think it's true, and I probably feel it myself and I suspect a lot of our viewers feel it.
KILMEADE: Well, in between your hits, I pointed out it's generational. That this woman was probably born in 1920, grew up in the 1930s. It was a different feeling then as opposed to Jeremiah Wright, who was coming up in the '60s, which is a much different feel than 2008, and that's what we were talking about --
CARLSON: Hey, Chris? Chris.
KILMEADE: -- but that's what was the opinions that were exchanged.
CARLSON: And my point of view was that I felt as if maybe the attention was being taken away from what people really wanted to hear Barack Obama speak about, which was his association and what he thought about the comments by his minister, Jeremiah Wright. I felt like he was deflecting the attention potentially away from that, and if we really want to have a discussion about race, then let's really have a discussion about how there is a double standard for certain phrases and words. I think if you throw a phrase like that out there, then, OK, then let's really have a discussion about it.
WALLACE: Well, I think -- and far be it for me to be a spokesman for the Obama campaign, and I will tell you that they would laugh at that characterization, but, you know, the fact is that after giving a speech on race earlier this week on Tuesday, he gave a major speech on Iraq on Wednesday, and a major speech on the economy yesterday, and so, I think they would say, in terms of deflecting attention away from the issues, people who really want to hear about it, maybe it's the media doing it, not Barack Obama.
DOOCY: So, on your Sunday show, you're just going to tell people never to watch Fox & Friends again?
WALLACE: No, I love you guys, but, you know, look, I think that's one of the things that's great about Fox News is that we don't all follow talking points and we disagree about things, and I just was unhappy with what you were doing today.
DOOCY: Well, in all fairness to the Fox & Friends show, you did 20-some-odd hits and obviously, you missed a lot of our dialogue.
WALLACE: Well, I heard enough of it.
DOOCY: OK.
CARLSON: And I thought we were going to talk about what tie you had on today. Did you hear that part?
WALLACE: Well, I think this was more interesting than that anyway. I did hear what you said about that, and I think actually that Brian's tie is better than my tie today.
KILMEADE: And you know why? It's a Karl Rove, and you were very impressed with Karl Rove's insight. Will Karl Rove be on your show this Sunday?
WALLACE: No, he won't. But we will be talking to Ed Rendell, the governor of Pennsylvania about the situation coming up there, where that's one of the key battlegrounds. We're going to be talking to two economic experts, the former treasury secretary in the Clinton administration as well as the former head of the Council of Economic Advisers for Bush, and then -- and now, I'm going to work my way back into your good graces.
DOOCY: Well, we'll see about that.
WALLACE: We're going to talk to Eli Manning, our power player of the week, who came down to Washington this week to talk about a presidential commission he's working on.
KILMEADE: And who is the most famous person in -- and most popular person in Mississippi? Is it the man that went to college there, or Shepard Smith? That's the big question that America needs answered.
WALLACE: Well, let me just say this. I asked Eli Manning because I know Shepard Smith dines out a lot, about Eli Manning, and I thought, "Does Eli Manning even know who Shepard Smith is?" And so, I asked him, and in fact, they're old friends and they know each other, and Eli Manning was well aware of Shepard Smith.
DOOCY: Small world.
KILMEADE: Well, that is -- that's something. Well, I can't wait to hear what you have to say, but was -- where was Chris Wallace in December and November interviewing Eli Manning? He had to win the Super Bowl to get Chris Wallace's attention. Is that what we have to do -- win the Super Bowl to be on your show?
WALLACE: Well, it helps.
KILMEADE: I'll think of some other angle. Thanks, Chris.
WALLACE: Thank you, guys. I still love you.
DOOCY: Yep. OK. An odd way of showing it. All right, Chris, thank you very much. Time for some headlines with Alisyn Camerota.
I am hearing some republicans express worry that all the piling on will cause a sympathetic backlash. Some I work are saying time to report on other aspects because it's looking like the media is going overboard with this Wright coverage. Maybe Wallace is picking up on this idea too. I'll give the brown haired guy who's not Douchey credit for at least twice trying to keep it real.
However, there is nothing good that can be said about how Douchey and Carlson behaved. Apparently they both have no problem deceiving their viewers. As soon as Gretchen lied by saying Obama used "typical white person" in his speech, I knew MM would point it out. Too bad Wallace didn't point it out to her as that would have been sweet. Shame on Gretchen and Douchey.
Btw, I like your word, smirkmeister, for Wallace.
Dear Gretchen...please stop telling lies and lay off the fake tanning potions. You look silly.
ZAMFIR,
I wouldn't go that far...... but I will say that regardless of Wallace's reasons for defending Obama, if generically, it was the right thing to do.....
Also, be on the look out for Wallace to pile on eventually..... it would only be natural of him since he works at the purely partisan FOX Noise channel!
There is one more thing to say about this as it pertains to Doocy, Carlson, Rush, Sean...... well basically all these fools that are race baiting in the most sickest of ways.....
IT'S THE CONTEXT of the words not just three words by themselves.... idiots!!
"I still love you guys."
Now get back to your smearing, you silly heads! Ha, Ha, Ha...
Just don't be such obvious sh*theads.
I'm amazed at the level of support for Obama on this site. Let me preface everything else by saying I'm a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT who has NEVER voted for a Repuglican, who up until two months ago or so had been calling for a Hillary Clinton / Barack Obama ticket for TWO YEARS, and am someone who thinks FAUX NEWS is nothing but a propaganda tool for the TREASONOUS Bush administration.
That being said, the only media outlet even coming CLOSE to honesty over this issue with Obama and his pastor, is FAUX NEWS (and I'll admit that their motives in acting as an honest broker on this story are likely driven by their own racism and bigotry). Every other media outlet out there is so ANTI-CLINTON, so full of UNREASONED HATRED for both of the Clintons, that they've acted just as bad or worse than FAUX NEWS has in every other aspect of their reporting. They've fawned over this chump so much it's beyond belief. They've spouted lie after lie after lie in defense of him and against the Clintons it makes what FAUX NEWS does in defense of Repuglicans seem tame at times.
In regard to the specific issue of Pastor Wright. Be real, people. Obama should NEVER have remained in that church. Pastor Wright is a VICIOUS, BIGOTED, RACIST, ANTI-AMERICAN SMEAR-MERCHANT. Saying he's anything else, or trying to equivocate or compare him to some lame old white lady who happens to be your grandmother is the HEIGHT of dishonesty. Comparing his VICIOUS statements with the absolutely FACTUAL statements of Geraldine Ferraro is sickening in the extreme. Although this is nothing unusual coming from that racist piece of crud Obama, as he did the same thing when discussing Hillary Clinton's remarks about Martin Luther King, Jr.
At the VERY LEAST, Obama showed EXTREMELY bad judgment in staying a member of a church whose pastor spouts such racist, bigoted, anti-American vitriol. And if you ask me, despite all of his convenient denials and denouncements now, I PERSONALLY believe he did so not because of a lack of judgment, but because to a certain degree, HE AGREES WITH PASTOR WRIGHTS STATEMENTS. And that's downright SCARY.
Furthermore, to say the Right-Wing allows Repuglicans to get away with such crud is simply the purview of scum. It's the kind of thing a five-year old tries with their mother when they're caught doing something wrong. You don't defend something by saying "BUT THE OTHER GUY IS DOING IT." That's something anyone with a decent mother would know...lol Because that mother would look at that little kid and say, "Just because Jimmy's mother lets HIM get away with it, doesn't mean I'll let YOU get away with it."
Obama isn't fit to be president. He played the race card in this election, not the Clintons, despite all the lies of the media. The night of the New Hampshire Primary, one of his senior campaign advisors, Jesse Jackson, Jr., stated "We have to examine her [Clinton's] tears, in light of the 'fact' that she never cried over Katrina." This was so despicable a statement it makes me want to punch something that he wasn't IMMEDIATELY fired from the Obama campaign over it. For in essence, it was an attempt to draw a comparison to Kanye West's comments about President Bush following Katrina, when he said "Bush just doesn't care about black people." This is EXACTLY what Jackson was saying about Hillary, that SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE.
And what happened to Jackson? Nothing. Was there a media torrent the next morning lambasting him and the Obama campaign for playing the race card in such a HEINOUS fashion? Nope. Not a friggin PEEP on ANY of the news media outlets about it. And guess what, his wasn't the ONLY racially charged comment by the Obama campaign that night. Right after the vote, Michael Eric Dyson, a HUGE Obama supporter, also made a racist comment, saying the ONLY reason Obama hadn't won New Hampshire, was that most of the White voters there just couldn't pull the lever for a black man. And was he lambasted for these comments? Was the Obama campaign even CHIDED for so obviously playing the race card? Nope, not a friggin peep.
Yet, a week later, and Hillary Clinton is defending a COMPLETELY FACTUAL AND NON-RACIST comment she made about Martin Luther King, Jr. and being asked why she'd chosen to play the race card. Furthermore, Bill Clinton's comments about Obama's contention that he had been virulently opposed to the war from the beginning, saying such a view of his stance on the war was a "FAIRY TALE" were purposefully twisted by both the Obama campaign and the media to imply Clinton had suggested Obama's ENTIRE CAMPAIGN, and his OR ANYONE ELSE'S belief he could EVER BE ELECTED PRESIDENT SINCE HE'S A BLACK MAN, were a "Fairy Tale". This type of leveling FALSE racism charges against an opponent is beyond despicable, it clearly shows a level of RACISM in the person falsely leveling the charges.
That person, Obama. He's the one who played the race card, in hopes that Hillary would lose the 60% support she had in the Black community. He played it to a tee, and now garners 92% of the black vote himself. However, he also chose to attend a church with a bigoted, hate-filled preacher. And despite all the scum in the media, and all the despicable scum outside the media, who still support this lying, lowlife, racist, bigoted piece of crud, the American people will NEVER elect him. He may eventually STEAL this nomination, but he will NEVER win in the general election. Face it. And anyone too dumb TOO face it, you're gonna be forced to if he succeeds in stealing this nomination from Hillary.
Notnuke wrat:
>>That person, Obama. He's the one who played the race card, in hopes that Hillary would lose the 60% support she had in the Black community. He played it to a tee, and now garners 92% of the black vote himself.
Oh please! If you are really a Hillary supporter (and not a Republican pretending to be one), let me say I am so sick of the rants from *both* the Hillary camp and the Obamma camp. Wright might have said some controversial things, but he is hardly the most evil man as you paint him. And if you want to start talking about the race card, what did the Hillary campaign worker say, something to the effect that Obamma is only where he is at because he is black? And that is not racist?
Maybe the stupid partisans from both sides could save their ammunition for the real problems facing this country instead of creating bogeymen and villifying the opponent, both of which I can get from listening to Rush.
Hotnuke, I tend to agree with you-- but you sure are longwinded! I know, it's very frustrating dealing with this stuff. The bias is unbelieveable-- but MMFA has been pretty fair. Others, no.
Problem for Obama is-- he did say "typical white person." He only qualified it later-- when he was on the hot seat about it.
I agree with him-- but it was a very bad slip up. It's an incendiary comment that he should not have made.
he did say "typical white person." He only qualified it later ... It's an incendiary comment
For context: I am a more or less middle-class white male a few years short of a retirement I'm not at all sure I can afford.
I see absolutely nothing "incendiary" about Obama's statement and it seems to me that people are going out of their way to sniff out something offensive in it as well as in other things he's said.
What he said was that his grandmother is a "typical white person" in that she reacts differently, with some degree of anxiety, when she is passed by a black man she doesn't know rather than by a white man she doesn't know. That different reaction, he said, is bred into us by society. I find nothing offensive in that.
He also said at the time "what makes me optimistic is you see each generation feeling a little bit less like that." No "qualification" was required.
Adjust your medication HN. Hillary doesn't have the numbers to claim victory. A thing you do not own cannot be stolen from you.
Anybody that would accuse this group of having a consensis candidate. To paraphase Chairman Bugs. He don't know us vewy well do he(Obligitory she/it).
For a while,I don't remember being yelled at to stop. I used to answer the phone at work Good morning Sir Madam Pettyofficer, or other. A federal shipyard has a very diverse population. Someone today mentioned working with all kinds of people being a good thing. I totally agree.
I smell a concern troll.
It is a verifiable fact that Obama hasn't played the race card (inasmuch as he's cried "woe is me, I'm a put-upon black man.") It simply hasn't happened.
He's had it played against him by Clinton, the media, and Fox News. Regularly.
Conversely, Clinton has played the "woe is me, I'm a poor little woman and these mean boys are ganging up on me" gender card. Whether that was justified or not is subject to debate and is a topic for another discussion.
It's also a verifiable fact that McCain and his advisers (and some religious people associated with his campaign, as well as other Republican supporters) have said far more egregious things than "god damn America" and we have nary a peep from the media. And that is due to the simple fact that they're not black.
Mark my words. The only reason we have even heard of Wright is because he's a "scaaaaaary black man."
Regardless, until I see compelling evidence otherwise I'm labeling you, NOTNUKE, a concern troll.
Since you pretend to care about facts, it's a fact that Clinton (Bill or Hillary) didn't play the race card against Obama. There are a grand total of 3 examples (sounds like a lot more when you watch TV) and they aren't even close to a race card, especially since you yourself have narrowed the definition.
And I don't recall Hillary doing the "woe is me I'm a woman" thing. I do recall her doing the "woe is me the media hates my guts for no good reason" thing.
And as just one more sign that the media is in the tank for Obama (though not as much as for McCain), Wallace would never, ever, ever criticize anyone doing two hours of Hillary-bashing.
Hotnuke...
My guess is you are a troll. Perhaps some paid troll of Murdoch or some other conservative filth.
Yes, my dear, methinks your little outburst is very well calibrated.
And your flailing, inept attacks on Obama are laughable. Long winded, yes, persuasive, no.
To: HotNuke:
You call yourself a LIBERAL DEMOCRAT and expect a reader of this diatribe to believe you?
Based on his mindless, misdirected rage, his vitriol, his irrationality, and his general tone of simmering condescension, I'd have to agree with you, Heru.
When someone claims to be a leftest, but right from the get go... using race as his asserted justification... begins lashing viciously out against members of the left, you just can't help but suspect that he is a right wing plant.
I predict more of the same from this troll, replete with endless accusations that we're all hypocrites and fascists here..
Bill from a place called NO COMMON SENSE, did you not also hear the governonr of PA, who is a supporter of Clinton saying white voters in PA would not vote for a black man? I guess you missed that one huh? LOL. I know, I know he was just speaking what he believed to be true. Not racist at all.
You people make the word ignorant sound like a compliment. If memory serves me correctly, I could have sworn Obama was being attacked for not being black enough waaaaaaay before the New Hampshire primary, so explain to me Bill from I DON'T HAVE A FREAKIN CLUEVILLE, just how did Obama start playing the victim race card?
LOL
Bill and Hotnuke wouldn't know the "race card" if it bit them in the butt.
Wow the trolls are really active on this thread. ROFLMAO you are so outdated now that you sound like reruns of "All in the Family."
Barack Obama, The Once in a Lifetime Leader
Hotnuke, you blame the media, Obama and his supporters for Hillary current position. I notice you don't find any fault with Hillary. The reality is Hillary is where she is because of Hillary. There is no one to blame but Hillary. She ASSUMED that this nomination was hers and she didn't have to work for it. She blew off a black man with a Muslim sounding name and swatted John Edwards like a pesky fly. They were no competition, her name was Hillary Clinton and she was going to be the Democratic nominee for President. She ASSUMED that because Black folks liked and admired her husband they would automatically vote for her. She didn't think she had to work for it. Newsflash for Hillary and you, black folks admired and liked Bill but they didn't really know Hillary except as his wife. Being Bill's wife is not enough reason to vote for her.
This woman had name recognition, was a former first lady, a US senator, has plenty of money and a Presidential team ready courtesy of her husband but she let a black man with a Muslim sounding name, no money and no political team beat her happy butt.
Hillary said she could handle the dirty attacks the Republican would bring becuase she had experience from the 90's but both she and you are whining like babies. It sometimes is funny to listen to Hillary supporters complain about the former first lady of a very popular and successful president, with 35 years experience (she says) and is also a US Senator losing, especially when the reason used for her losing is Obama or the media.
Pearl,
I agree with you on everything but the money angle. Hasn't Obama been kicking her butt in fundraising for a while now? Its just that her money has come from the big lobbyists and his from smaller donors.
"That being said, the only media outlet even coming CLOSE to honesty over this issue with Obama and his pastor, is FAUX NEWS ... In regard to the specific issue of Pastor Wright. Be real, people. Obama should NEVER have remained in that church. Pastor Wright is a VICIOUS, BIGOTED, RACIST, ANTI-AMERICAN SMEAR-MERCHANT."
Thank you for that moment of candor, Hotnuke. My name is Jim Davis, and I'm the author of the Newsmax article that ignited this firestorm of controversy. Obama denied that he was in church when Wright said those things. Ross at ABC dug up an eight-month-old Newsmax story of mine, where I reported that Obama was present at a sermon where Wright said very similar things.
Last week, Obama denied that he was at the church that morning. He said he was giving a speech to National Council of La Raza that afternoon.
It was an early morning service that started at 7:15 AM. Obama was out the door very quickly when it was over at 8:15 AM. The Obama campaign has produced a receipt proving that he took a charter flight out of Chicago at 8:50 AM. With a police escort, and with police blocking cross traffic at the stoplights, it's no problem getting from Trinity United Church of Christ to the airport in 20-25 minutes.
At the other end of the line, Obama was 20 minutes late for his speech, arriving at 1:50 PM Eastern time (12:50 PM Chicago time), and it can be easily proven. Those are the facts and I stand behind my story.
I will be happy to answer questions, but please remember that there are a lot of you and only one of me. Please limit questions to tough, thoughtful, respectful questions. If you just want to do some bashing or vent your conspiracy theories, I won't respond. Because I expect there will be several other people waiting for me to respond who are asking tough, thoughtful, respectful questions.
Uh Hotnuke,
How is Obama going to steal the nomination?
Headline:
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That's good Net...
That's real good.
That would be so beautiful. The Fox News chattering blow-holes repeating over and over: "Media Matters now says Fox News is 'Fair and Balanced!"
More on this breaking story when we come back!!...
But first. Oh! ...ouch!!!!!............look at that half-clothed babe over there! .
MM PROVES FOX NEWS -IS- FAIR AND BALANCED!
And I guess the first guy to desert the Nazi Party proved that the Nazi Party was an easy-going middle-of-the-road organization.
I think that anyone that uses the ridiculous (and tiresome) Nazi/Hitler analogy should be banned from posting for a week.
Get new material!
Banned from posting? How about sent to a concentration camp?
You obviously didn't get it. I wasn't comparing anybody to Nazis, only pointing out that one minor instance of dissent among thousands of examples of obedience in an organization doesn't show a balance in that organization.
Besides, I don't acknowledge Godwin's Law, or whatever it's called. It's just a puss-out used by those with Nazi-like tendencies to try to prevent their tendencies from being pointed out.
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Chris Wallace, the same guy who called John Edwards a "panderer" and a "demagogue" (after Edwards was already gone from the race) is seen here unapologetically coming to Obama's defense? If that's not the audacity of hope, I don't know what is.
This is not unlike how Obama ended his speech the other day: where the old black man finds something in common with a young white girl named Ashley. By itself, Wallace's coming to Obama's aid--pointing out that the media may have been superficial by manufacturing controversy--is not enough for us to begin to expect our media to start the long journey back towards redemption.
But, as Obama said in his speech, it's a start. It's a start. And someday, perhaps far off in the future, if the media does come back from the dark side, I just might remember the small role Chris Wallace played.
Wallace: "I love you guys, but, you know, look, I think that's one of the things that's great about Fox News is that we don't all follow talking points and we disagree about things, and I just was unhappy with what you were doing today."
Smells like something staged, to me.
To August Heat, and any other moron on this site who's replied critically to my previous post:
I noticed you didn't address a single point from my post. Neither did any of your fellow brethren of bubbleheads. As for the contention of a few idiots that I'm simply some troll or a Repuglican in disguise, you're welcome to find out.
My name's Daniel Barber. I live at 425 Klondike Avenue, Staten Island, NY 10314. My phone number is 347-406-4357. Give me a call, and I'll provide ANY of you with enough information and people to call to verify what and who I am.
The simple fact is, Barack Obama played the race card in this election, not Hillary. And it wasn't even begun that night in New Hampshire. There were literally five or six other incidences prior to that where his campaign SCREAMED racism any time any supporter of Hillary even DEIGNED to ask a question about his past. One of them says "Barack's admitted drug use in the past might be a problem for him in the general election." RACISM IS SCREAMED. Racism? It's just a simple damn fact. And the FACT Obama's camp continued to scream racism at every such innocuous statement shows they were playing the race card full force from the get.
Anyway, I could list all of it for anyone. I could go through the timeline. I could summarize all of the details, and would and will to anyone who calls and is truly interested. However, I'm not gonna waste another minute on ignorant, blind, idiotic morons who blithely defend this lying, lowlife, piece of sh*t racist scumbag named Obama. They're generally not interested in truth.
Again, though, anyone who believes I'm some troll in league with FAUX NEWS or ANY Conservative group, you're simply pathetic idiots. It shows me that you have to label ANYONE who disagrees with your blind assessment of this racist a-hole as EVIL, just so you don't recognize yourself as such.
Specifically, in answer to August Heat? I wouldn't care if Barack's name was George Washington and he was a White Man from Virginia. If he associated himself for 20 years with a radical, racist, bigoted, hate-mongering scumbag like Wright, whether it was a militant black man like him, or some white KKK member, he wouldn't get my vote if he promised me the world. Obama isn't fit to be president. Neither is McCain, and I'll agree he's got some association problems as well. But it strikes me as childish when I hear all these people defending Obama by saying "Hey, look at who McCain is endorsed by, it's the Catholic-hating bigot Hagee". Yeah, you're right. McCain is endorsed by a bigot, although being endorsed by someone you'd never met is a sight bit different than sitting in a church for 20 years listening to his hate-speech. BOTH should be condemned for their sickening associations, ESPECIALLY Obama in this case. The fact Obama supporters don't see it that way shows me what lame, bigoted, racist scum they are.
Hotnuke wrat:
>>To August Heat, and any other moron on this site who's replied critically to my previous post:
Nice. So now we are morons for disagreeing with you? And yes, I did address your points. Let me repeat: Geraldine Ferraro said "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. " Yet, you accuse Obama of playing the race card.
I think either candidate would be fine, but what I can't stand is the vitriol spewed by each camp.
The troll HOTNUKE is losing it ROFLMAO
To August Heat, and any other moron on this site who's replied critically to my previous post:
I noticed you didn't address a single point from my post. Neither did any of your fellow brethren of bubbleheads. As for the contention of a few idiots that I'm simply some troll or a Repuglican in disguise, you're welcome to find out. - Hot Nukey
Thank you for your response Nukey. I feel like I kinda did address your point. If I'm not mistaken, your point is that Obama's playing the victim and race card in order to to garner support and sympathy. I'll restate my point for you again and let me know if you agree or disagree.
Before Obama opened his mouth about race, there were questions about his religion. Before Obama opened his mouth about race there were questions if he weren't black enough. Before Obama opened his mouth about race the question was asked "Is America ready for its first black president?" as if the constitution didn't already address the answer. Do you remember the media surprise at his being a "well spoken black man" as if the "typical" black man wasn't?
Don't confuse this my brother from another mother. I have no hate in my blood towards Hillary, but if you come at me because I'm black, I will go back at you because I am black. If you come at me on policy then I'll respond on policy. This race has been about the color of Barack's skin before he ever said anything about race, so don't get the facts twisted because Hill's political games aren't working and she's getting her caniving arse kicked.
Anyway, I could list all of it for anyone. I could go through the timeline. I could summarize all of the details, and would and will to anyone who calls and is truly interested. However, I'm not gonna waste another minute on ignorant, blind, idiotic morons who blithely defend this lying, lowlife, piece of sh*t racist scumbag named Obama. They're generally not interested in truth
I feel yeah Hotnuke.
I'm not willing to waste my dime calling an immature young white boy who has NO freaking clue what bigotry and racism is all about. I hear your whining and crying little boy.
Silly Troll. You've got issues. Calm down, stop spewing.
It's not just Hagee, who's indosement John sought. Ron Parsely his spiritual advisor. The whole tribe, the Bakers, Fallwell, Hagger, Robertson. Any one of this group has a long history of accusing liberal of horrible things and being responsible for all the horrible things in the world. There has been no political damage to any republican for cozying up the these hate mongers. Baracks pastor gets up on his horse a few times and you and your ilk go beserk. The man has served his community well and effectivily for years. A couple of heated words completely defines him, how?
Eweston. Me and my ilk? Oh, you mean any intelligent, critically thinking, logical LIBERAL who DOESN'T ignore the fact Barack Obama's pastor of 20 years spouts racist, bigoted, hate-filled diatribes accusing America of being no better than al Qaeda and guilty of inventing AIDS to kill black people simply because the Repuglicans candidate has associations with people EQUALLY as heinous and sickening?
Yeah, you're really brilliant there...lol As for the bozo before you, YOU DIDN'T ADDRESS ANY OF MY POINTS, SCUMBAG, what you DID DO, is do exactly what the Obama camp did in trying to misconstrue Geraldine Ferraro's words to paint her a racist. What Geraldine Ferraro said was COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY TRUE. She did not state that Obama was an "AFFIRMATIVE ACTION" candidate as Obama's camp has pathetically accused her of, and you OBVIOUSLY agree with.
What she said was simple. Obama would NOT be where he is today in this election if he weren't black. THAT'S A FRIGGIN' FACT. You can try to deny it all day long. But it's a fact. It's not the ONLY reason he's where he's at, but it's a PRIMARY one. And spare me the lame cliche's about "When did being black become such a benefit?" The answer, THIS ELECTION. An election where people like me, two years ago, saw Barack Obama as a possibility that we COULD break through barriers. That we could begin to heal this nation. He benefited from that hope. That desire to overcome and begin to "PERFECT THIS UNION" of ours as Obama would say. Anyone who denies that is simply denying reality. Ferraro was only saying what MANY had said and most had thought, that if Barack Obama, with such a light resume, were white, he would NEVER have gotten that speech that made him so famous.
And you know what? If he and his campaign had NEVER played the race card as they have. If he HADN'T been associated with such a VICIOUS, BIGOTED, RACIST, HATE-MONGERING piece of sh*t like Pastor Wright, I, and I believe most others, would simply say, 'GOOD FOR HIM', BRAVO THAT HE'S BENEFITTING FROM SOMETHING THAT MOST OTHERS WOULD WEAR AS A DISTRACTION AND DETRACTOR TO THEIR CAMPAIGN.
Now, scum like you wish to ignore all that's happened and still say that. To you, I can only say you're EXACTLY what's wrong with this nation. This nation has the problems it does NOT ONLY because of ignorant, bigoted, racist, xenophobic, misogynistic, hate-mongering scum in the Repuglican Party and on the Right, but the same kind of filthy, vile, lowlifes on the Left and in the Democratic Party.
Does not play well will others, noted. Points not answerred, noted. Your anger is unimpressive. Your proof is what your media has handed you time and again.
If abusing us is part of your tharapy, we want a cut.
What he said.
Hate to cause you nightmares, but I work nuclear. 25 years man and mutant on the atomic waterfront. Sleep well tonight.
Handy for treating bad wounds too. In use they only eat the dead flesh.
Take that you maggot haters. ):-P
No, I don't have anger management problems. I manage my anger very well, as evidenced by the fact I've yet to act on that anger toward these scum in any illegal way, and focus my anger only at virulently opposing their hate-filled screeds with purposeful posts on internet sites, passionate support of candidates who AREN'T like them, involvement in my community's efforts to combat their filth through programs, and writing letters to whomever I can think of to condemn their sickening, disgusting brand of thought.
I do have anger though, as anyone who is an intelligent, critically thinking, decent person would, at lying, lowlife, bigoted, racist, pieces of sh*t.
The fact you're NOT angry at them says a lot about YOU though...lol
The HOTNUKE lexicon: scum, virulent, screed, filth, sickening, disgusting, low life, pieces of sh*t, disgusting...
A collection of HOTNUKE's posts would certify a case for involuntary commitment to an insane asylum.
The HOTNUKE lexicon: scum, virulent, screed, filth, sickening, disgusting, low life, pieces of sh*t, disgusting...
A collection of HOTNUKE's posts would certify a case for involuntary commitment to an insane asylum.
So, I take it, Heru, that when you hear Pastor Wright saying that America engineered the AIDS virus in an attempt at Genocide against African Americans and others of color you're not hearing something that's disgusting, sickening filth, but is UPLIFTING, REASONABLE TRUTH, right?
I take it when you hear Pastor Wright saying 9-11 was simply America's "chickens coming home to roost" you're not hearing a virulent hate-filled screed from a piece of sh*t, but a WONDERFUL, ENLIGHTENING, NEEDED CRITICISM OF OUR BELOVED NATION BY CONCERNED AND WISE ELDER, right?
I take it when you hear Pastor Wright saying that America is no better than al Qaeda, you're not hearing the pathetic rantings of a hate-mongering lowlife scumbag against the country that has given him birth, but the JUSTIFIED COMPARISONS AIMED AT TUTORING the "Rich White People" he says are controlling and oppressing his people to this day, right?
I take it when you hear Barack Obama's campaign twist Bill Clinton's statement that Obama's contention that he has been equally opposed to the Iraq War from the outset is a "Fairy Tale" to deviously suggest Bill Clinton had stated that Obama's entire campaign, the entire idea a black man could be president, is a "Fairy Tale", you're not hearing Barack Obama being a disgusting, sickening, race-hustler using the race card in the most EVIL fashion imagined to FALSELY paint his opponent a racist, but instead you're hearing him level TRUTHFUL AND HONEST ACCUSATIONS AT A RENOWNED RACIST NAMED BILL CLINTON, right?
I could go on and on, but I doubt I've gotten the least bit through to you or any other Obama supporter. Anyone supporting that lying, lowlife, piece of sh*t racist scumbag has no morals or ethics or shame.
Hotnuke:
Thomas Jefferson. He was a brilliant political philosopher. But when he wrote “All men are created equal” he didn’t mean it the way I take it. He wasn’t talking about the rights of all men. He certainly wasn’t talking about the rights of women. The man owned slaves.
This country was built on the backs of African slaves on land that was robbed in the slaughter of Native Americans.
We’ve come a long way since 1776. In many ways, America still represents some of the best hopes of this dream of human liberty. But we are not perfect. We have not yet arrived at our destination. And this country is still largely controlled by rich, white men. You can say, if you wish, that Jeremiah Wright is too loud and too angry, but you cannot say that he is wrong. I’ve been astounded by all of the people on this so-called progressive forum that seem to be held aghast at these ideas. I thought that progressives knew that the Iraq War was predicated on lies. I thought that progressives knew that unilateral support for Israeli policies with respect for Palestine was a source of difficulties in our nation’s relationships in the Middle East at large. I thought that progressives knew that 9/11 didn’t happen because they hate us for our freedom, but because of a complex history of these relationships that go back at least 50 years if not back through the better part of the 20th century. I thought progressives knew that entering the halls of power isn’t easy if you’re not a white man.
Let me be clear on this: This is only a problem for Barack Obama in that there are still a lot of pinheads around that don’t understand that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. And he’ll distance himself from it because he has to and because Wright’s style isn’t his. It’s not how Obama rolls. But there’s nothing untrue about Wright’s statements in and of themselves.
This is a picture that I like to look at every so often to remind myself of these realities. It’s a picture of nine white men beaming over Bush as he signs the “partial birth abortion” ban. It’s ten white men presiding over the rights of women. There isn’t one woman present here. This is the reality of power in America today. You can squawk all you want about how everything is fair, but that isn’t the way it shakes out, now is it?
If America wants to insist on maintaining the status quo so that we can make sure that rich, white men can keep taking advantage, then I say damn America, too. If America wants to insist that no wrong can be done underneath Old Glory, then I say damn America. If America wants to insist that nothing our nation does in the world community will ever come back on us, then I say damn America, but I don’t have to because she’s already damned herself. The power of the ideas that founded this country was not in the men who codified them. The power lies in the way that they ring to true to all who encounter them, encouraging them to be spread ever wider, ever deeper. It is the touchstone of human nature that we desire to be free. It is this spark that becomes a fire when we realize that we are all locked into this struggle together.
The struggle is not over and maybe it never will be, but don’t get confused about Jeremiah Wright. His only crime is being abrasive, but the people who find him most abrasive are the people who have are invented in denying the truth that he speaks
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/15/7702/
Hotnuke have you ever heard of the Tuskegee Experiment? Remember Rev. Wright was born in 1941.
For forty years between 1932 and 1972, the U.S. Public Health Service (PHS) conducted an experiment on 399 black men in the late stages of syphilis. These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,”1 their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all. The data for the experiment was to be collected from autopsies of the men, and they were thus deliberately left to degenerate under the ravages of tertiary syphilis—which can include tumors, heart disease, paralysis, blindness, insanity, and death. “As I see it,” one of the doctors involved explained, “we have no further interest in these patients until they die.”
If you woke up from your nightmare long enough to actually listen to the speech you nevertheless attempt to critique, you would realize that the “chickens coming home to roost” comment was not Pastor Wright’s phrase, he was quoting Edward Peck who was speaking on Fox News. Your “piece of sh*t” who uttered this “virulent hate-filled screed” is Mr. Peck, former U.S. Ambassador to Iraq and deputy director of President Reagan’s terrorism task force.
Hopefully this will slow down your train of obscene, inappropriate and derogatory remarks. I doubt it though; Tourettes is tough to beat.
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I take it when you hear Pastor Wright saying 9-11 was simply America's "chickens coming home to roost" you're not hearing a virulent hate-filled screed from a piece of sh*t, but a WONDERFUL, ENLIGHTENING, NEEDED CRITICISM OF OUR BELOVED NATION BY CONCERNED AND WISE ELDER, right?- hotnuke
Again, moron, Wright quoted Peck in the BEGINNING of the sermon, and then restated those exact words at the END of the sermon, not as a quote, but his OWN WORDS, as an affirmation that he agreed with Peck.
The level of disingenuousness among your sickening Obama supporters is GARGANTUAN.
Typical scumbag. You can't win the debate, so you label anyone opposed to your hate as some vile Right-Winger. Sorry, a$$wipe, but I'm an intelligent, critically thinking, logical LIBERAL who wouldn't vote for or support a conservative, right-wing, neo-fascist Repuglikkkunt if you pointed a gun at my head.
I won't say YOU'RE a neo-nazi scumbag though. I won't accuse you of being that. I'll simply say that you're no better...lol
What's to debate? So far all you've done is shout and call everybody names from post number 1. You're not capable of acting like a civil adult let alone someone capable of having a reasoned discussion. So look in the mirror, mini hitler, the only one here incapable of debating is you. So hurry along and get them jackboots polished too. Inspection at 7.
You're right. Nothing to debate. Wright wasn't quoting Peck as the earlier poster falsely claimed and I corrected....lol
What a lame scumbag. You need a life, snoopy. Oh, and your post on the other thread, it wasn't Hagee that McCain called his spiritual advisor, it was Parsley. Of course, you don't really get all the facts straight in that pathetic, empty head of yours before you open your piehole, I understand...lol
If you want to make someone mad, tell a lie about them. If you want to make someone livid, tell the truth about them.
You seem pretty livid today, Belittle Hitlerini. Why is that? Is it because you couldn't provide any facts to prove your claim of being right?
Now run along and get busy with the brasso. Inspection is still at 7.
This is PRECISELY what Obama supporters are like. Leveling FALSE charges of racism against people. While Parsley and Hagee are DEFINITELY bigots. While their views are sickening and disgusting, NEITHER of them are racists, or have EVER made any comments to indicate they are. What they have done is make sickening comments about Catholics and Gays.
But, I understand, Snoopy. You're a lying, lowlife, piece of sh*t racist yourself, and support the same in Obama, so falsely labeling someone a racist, or a "nazi" in my case, is no big deal. The simple fact is, Snoopy, you're PRECISELY what's wrong with this nation. You and every scumbag like you, whether they call themselves Conservatives or Liberals (and if they're calling themselves Liberals, and they're like you, they're anything but).
Why not do the world a favor and go play in traffic, HEAVY TRAFFIC...LOL
What she said was simple. Obama would NOT be where he is today in this election if he weren't black. THAT'S A FRIGGIN' FACT. You can try to deny it all day long. But it's a fact. It's not the ONLY reason he's where he's at, but it's a PRIMARY one. - More Nukey
Nukey
A.) You do seem like you have some anger issues to resolve.
B.) Barack's primary reason for success is his race, and yet you are angry if and when he plays the race card?
So let me get this right, it's A-OK for others to indict him for being black, but when he indicts America for its past atrocities, he's playing the race card and being a victim? I have a question for you David Nukes (lol) - what does it say that Bill Richardson, a man who owes much of his political career to the Clintons, has endorsed Barack? Did you hear his reason for the endorsement? He truly believes Barack is the man to lead this country. Strong convictions for a white man to back a black man after all these negative things have come out about Barack, given the fact he owes much of his political success to the Clinton's. I'm just guessing now, but I do think he's a little bit closer to the actions and what's going on behind the scenes than you and I. Let's not fight Nukes. Come on over. Hey, Barack's proven none of us are perfect, but we do want to bring a better America.
Love the pathetic little attempt at humor there, August. I mean, David Nukes...lol Wow, must have taken you forever to come up with that one. The rest of your post is equally lame. First, you use a typical tactic, by putting words in my mouth. I never said Barack Obama shouldn't and RIGHTFULLY couldn't benefit from his race. In fact, I believe I've said the EXACT OPPOSITE above when I stated that if he'd benefited from it WITHOUT USING THE RACE CARD (meaning accusing his opponents or the media FALSELY of attacking him based on his race), and if he WASN'T associated for 20 years with such an ignorant, bigoted, racist, hate-mongering piece of sh*t like Wright, then I would have been saying BRAVO.
But hey, let's not let any of the facts stand in your way of trying to win a debate by falsifying what I've said...lol
Oh, and Richardson's endorsement? Yeah, I know the Clinton's wanted it. I won't deny that. But in MY VIEW, it's a pathetic one. Richardson is a fat, lying, pandering blowhard. I would have voted for ANY of the other candidates (other than Barack Obama now) on that stage when there were like eight of them. To me he was the most pathetic of the bunch. Every debate, all he did was spout nonsense and try to pander to one group after another. Bill Richardson, in my view, is a scumbag, and I had told one of my friends that if Hillary put him on the ticket with her (I'm a Hillary supporter, as I'm sure you've surmised), I would have a hard time voting for her.
Let me finish by saying this, August. You and I BOTH know that you're a scumbag supporting a scumbag. You try and deny it to yourself. But there will come a day when you'll sit back and realize what a total fu*king scumbag Obama is, and you'll say to yourself, "Why did I ever lie to myself and tell myself this guy was ANYTHING but a lowlife? Why did I ever support him?"
When that day comes, just remember me. I'm the guy who tried to reason with you. You're the moron who used pathetic attempts at wit to cover up your knowledge that your views in this election are just as pathetic.
Who cares what Hotdukey thinks? He's outnumbered by millions of sane citizens. Obama doesn't need the mentally ill vote.
Obama 2008
Once in a Lifetime
Brilliant! LOL!!
Keep believing that, fool.
Obama MIGHT be able to steal the nomination (and yes, by playing the race card in so disgusting a fashion as he has, he is effectively STEALING the nomination from Hillary), but there is NO CHANCE whatsoever he will win the general election.
Obama is TOAST. And I mean BURNT TOAST, and not because of his skin color, but because of his VILE, FILTHY, LYING, PATHETIC, SHRIVELED-UP PHONY SOUL. America has seen what he is, and while many scum like YOU will support this racist piece of sh*t, there are FAR MORE like me who won't.
Bank on that, punk.
"When the facts go against you, stress the law; when the law is against you, emphasize the facts; when your case has both the law and the facts against it, call the other person an @sshole."
Keep enjoying that post fact society you've created for yourself!
Obama MIGHT be able to steal the nomination (and yes, by playing the race card in so disgusting a fashion as he has, he is effectively STEALING the nomination from Hillary),
Black folks were suppose to vote for Hillary? Somebody forgot to send me the damn memo!
Ok Nukes. You got it. I'm a scumbag for my opinion and you are right. My apologies for any offense. Enjoy the fall! LOL!
ps. What kind of loser posts his address and phone number on a website for everyone to see. Find a companinon.
Now, I can be as long-winded as you've proven to be, but as a courtesy to others perusing this thread, I'll attempt to keep my comments concise and cogent (or "short and sweet").
If the manufactured Jeremiah Wright "controversy" has taught us anything, its that our increasingly aliterate society shows a shocking disregard and lack of appreciation for the necessity of textual CONTEXT.
I see evidence every day in the classroom that most teenagers (and, sadly, far too many of the adults they will eventually, inevitably become) do not grasp some of the most crucial and essential components of verbal communication, particularly METAPHOR and IRONY. In fact, when it comes to the seemingly unbridgable gulf that separates so-called "conservatives" and "liberal" world-views/self-concepts, the x-factor that's almost never taken into account is the utter lack of a sense of irony or metaphor in the former group's POV.
All of us as children uncritically adopt an essentially LITERAL-minded perspective that (with the help of educators and a resolutely inquiring mind on the part of individual h(im/er)self) must be shed in order to realize one's emotionally intelligent potential.
The fact of the matter is that - whether you're aware of it or not - [verbal] language is inherently metaphoric(al), and thus by extension, so too is thought itself. Now, admittedly, that's a "heavy" or "deep" concept to grasp for those who have yet to subjectively perceive it as a potentially self-evident truth.
Anyway, the point of this contexual digression is to reframe the debate on Jeremiah Wright. The fact of the matter is that people who have been quick to condemn the man based on a handful of inflamatory statements cherry-picked over thousands? of sermons in 30+ year career are the very worst kind of hypocrites. I seem to recall a rather prominent spiritual figure who wisely encouraged people to resist throwing stones at others unless they themselves were completely free of any wrongdoing.
I mean, what of equally blunder-headed pastors the likes of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and others of their ilk? How many conservative politicians should be judged guilty by association - if we're to use the same standards that critics are applying to Obama - for being endorsed by these religous figures who have spewed no shortage of misguided, intolerant (and some would say downright hateful) rhetoric themselves?
Seriously, this whole thing is, in the larger scheme of things, a complete non-issue. And the soulless corporate shills at FAUX NOISE expose themselves for the frauds they are - well at least to any independent-minded, critical thinking individual - by desperately attempting to dupe the public into believing that this anything more than a desperate Republican ploy to retain the White House by distracting people from the real issues that hang like an albatross around the G.O.P.s collective neck.
Obama would NOT be where he is today in this election if he weren't black. THAT'S A FRIGGIN' FACT.
LMAO Being black man with a Muslim sounding name is a PLUS? Only in the world of Hillary and her supporters. You are really insane and need therapy ASAP!
Ferraro was only saying what MANY had said and most had thought, that if Barack Obama, with such a light resume, were white, he would NEVER have gotten that speech that made him so famous.
Nah Ferraro was saying what many whinny Hillary supporters were saying. She sat on her happy butt thinking she had it made, she didn’t have to work for the nomination and she got her a** handed to her on a plate. She deserved it and so did those who like Hillary ASSUMED the nomination was hers. You want the nomination, GET OFF YOUR HAPPY BUTT AND WORK FOR IT!
but the same kind of filthy, vile, lowlifes on the Left and in the Democratic Party.
You were looking in the mirror when you typed that. Do humanity a favor, take a long walk off a short pier.
Warmpuke
You have clearly demonstrated yourself to be a troll. The only question is whether you're representing the interests of Faux News, the Savage Weiner, or even the Clinton campaign itself. Calling supporters of Barrack Obama 'scum', dealing the race card from the inside crook of you sleeve, spewing the sort of disinformation that you've thus far resorted to, and viciously denouncing ANYBODY who shows the basic intelligence required to disagree with you tells us that your sole purpose here is to divide us. You are nothing more than a right wing hack and an agent provocateur.
You're busted, assh*ole.
No one here trusts you but your fellow wingnuts.
Now, go away.
Again, typical of LEFT-WING scum. Anyone who breaks down the lies of someone you support is automatically a Right-Winger...lol
Sorry, but you can't be any more wrong. And as I've told others, you're welcome to verify it.
Me?
Daniel Barber
425 Klondike Avenue, Staten Island, NY 10314
347-406-4357
hotnuke2007@hotmail.com
You're welcome to call my former Rabbi in Manhattan as well. He's Rabbi Glass at the Synagogue for the Arts on White Street in Tribeca. I haven't been there in a while, but he's a rather conservative guy who'll let you know I'm what he would consider a LEFT-WING LOON. Of course, I'm not. I'm simply an intelligent, critically thinking, logical LIBERAL.
Now, you can either do that, or you can continue to spout your BS that I've played the race card (how I can't see...lol) that I'm a Repuglikkkunt in disguise, and that I'm just an evil, right-winger...lol
I'll tell you though. EVERY Obama supporter I've met on the Internet so far has been no less ignorant, vile, bigoted, racist, and sickening in their views than ANY of the scum on the Right I've met over the years.
Oh, and another way to check my Liberal credentials. Go into any of the Political Lobbys in Yahoo Chat, especially any of the first 5, and ask around. I'm sure you'll get a few dozen people, especially the Right-Wing scum, telling you what a Left-Wing Liberal wacko I am...lol
Hotnuke,
I've been reading your posts and I have to say, despite all of your emotional ranting I have to agree with you about Obama's pastor. Reverend Wright is not qualified to be presidant and I will never vote for him.
1. Sen. Obama, in an interview on AM radio 610 (sports) in Philadelphia on Thursday morning (that's a rather narrow audience right there), expands on one or another point he made in his recent speech, and in so doing, reminisces about his Grandma...
2. On something called "Fox & Friends" (another rather narrow audience), the hacks take time out from blathering about passports, to blather about Mr. Obama's AM radio 610 (sports) Philadelphia Thursday morning reminiscence of his Grandma, specifically that he said Grandma was a "typical white person" (which taken out of context, I don't know what that means... and reading the context it was said in, I still don't know what it means; but that's OK, because I don't care anyway)...
3. Fox hack wallace weighs in on the narrow audience Fox & Friends blather about the narrow audience AM radio 610 (sports) Philadelphia Thursday morning Obama Grandma reminiscence, and protests the blather on Fox & Friends, on air on that same show...
AND NOW THE BALL IS ROLLING!
Because who would have known about the spectacularly controversial Obama Grandma reminiscence, from those two rather narrow venues of Fox & Friends and AM radio 610 (sports) in Philadelphia, had not the hack wallace weighed in (...what? He has to talk to his colleagues at Fox, across the airwaves? He can't send them a memo, or chat them up at lunchtime in the Fox cafeteria?)...
NOW THE BALL IS REALLY ROLLING!
HOLD THE PRESSES! KEEP THE FRONT PAGE OPEN!
WHO KNOWS WHERE THIS LEADS TO...
Maybe:
4. George W. Bush weighs in on the brewing Obama Grandma reminiscence storm, interrupting his schedule to comment to the White House press corps...
"I don't necessarily think SEN. OBAMA AND HIS GRANDMA ARE RACISTS, simply because he said SHE IS A TYPICAL WHITE PERSON."
Just wait till this gets on the Internet Wire, then THE BALL WILL REALLY GET TO ROLLING HARD!
These mentally menopausal males of the media can waste two hours trying to act coquettish about their racism and envy...while the New York Times yesterday was putting double-treachery on display on the front page!
http://www.geocities.com/writingindependence/CMJCT3-22-08.pdf
White men can't jump through anything but pizza's media hoops, and really haven't the first clue what's going on.
but had Hillary Clinton said something on the other side, had she said, "Well, that's a typical Irish person, Polish person, Italian person, Swedish person," whatever, it'd hit the fan.
Doocey, you're a typical wingnut idiot.
A pox on FOX.
I tried to call HOTNUKE, but the person who answered the phone said, "Domino's Pizza, may I take your order?"
As I said, typical of scumbags on message boards. You lie through your teeth to convince your fellow morons. Sad, really...lol
Anyway, if none of you can afford the phone call, email me...lol
hotnuke2007@hotmail.com
Say, isn't this kind of trolling normally Finny's job?
I was really looking forward to reading his contributions on this one, but now someone else has come along and stolen his thunder...I did like the repeated use of 'scumbag' though, tres Paul Keating (Aussie ex-Prime Minister) aside from the sheer clumsiness.