On Hannity & Colmes, Dick Morris again falsely claimed Clinton said Chelsea "was saved only because she ducked into a coffee shop" on 9-11
SUMMARY: Dick Morris falsely claimed that Sen. Hillary Clinton "says Chelsea [Clinton] was in danger on 9-11, jogging around the towers of the World Trade Center and was saved only 'cause she ducked into a coffee shop." In fact, Hillary Clinton made no such claim; rather, she said that her daughter had "gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit."
On the March 24 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, syndicated columnist and Fox News contributor Dick Morris falsely claimed that Sen. Hillary Clinton "says Chelsea [Clinton] was in danger on 9-11, jogging around the towers of the World Trade Center and was saved only 'cause she ducked into a coffee shop." Morris added: "She -- turns out she was in bed at home, and a friend woke her up and said, 'Watch this on TV.' " Morris then asserted of Hillary Clinton, "She's always saying this stuff that isn't true ... and she gets nailed."
Morris made a similar false claim on the May 4, 2004, edition of Hannity & Colmes, saying:
MORRIS: Katie Couric interviewed her on the Today show seven days after 9-11. And she completely fabricated her story, made it up. ... That Chelsea jogged around the World Trade Center and was only protected because she went into a coffee shop and that she heard and saw the planes hit. Chelsea wrote an article four months later, saying she was 40 blocks -- 60 blocks away and watched it on TV, 80 blocks away, was not in danger.
In fact, Clinton did not say that Chelsea was jogging "around the towers of the World Trade Center" when the planes hit. On the September 17, 2001, edition of Dateline NBC, Hillary Clinton said that her daughter had "gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit." From the September 17, 2001, edition of Dateline NBC:
CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.
JANE PAULEY (host): She was close enough to hear the rumble.
CLINTON: She did hear it.
PAULEY: And to see the smoke in person, not on television.
CLINTON: No. Of course, Bill was in Australia. And, you know, he was so upset by what he was seeing on television that I didn't want to tell him that I couldn't find her until I found her. I told him that, you know, everything's fine, don't worry. But I couldn't do it with the level of assurance that I needed until I could find her a couple of hours later.
A November 9, 2001, UPI article about a piece Chelsea Clinton wrote in Talk magazine corroborates Hillary Clinton's claim that Chelsea did, in fact, leave her apartment to have coffee the morning of the September 11, 2001, attacks:
"When the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, I was 12 blocks away, (and) nothing has been the same since," Clinton wrote in the December/January issue of Talk magazine, on sale Friday in New York.
[...]
Clinton had been staying with her high school friend Nicole Davison in her apartment near Union Square for a few days in September before she went to England to study at Oxford. After they had coffee together, Davison went to work and Clinton returned to the apartment.
Davison called Clinton with the news of the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center. Clinton turned on the television and watched the second plane crash into the second WTC tower, and tried to reach her mother in Washington, but after speaking to her assistant, the phone line went dead.
[...]
Panicked, Chelsea Clinton left the apartment and found herself running toward downtown "in the direction everyone else was coming from," in search of a public telephone. She was desperate to call her mother and her father, who was on a speaking tour in Australia.
Chelsea Clinton was downtown in line at a pay phone when she heard the rumble of the second tower collapsing. Later she found Davison and another friend, and the three spent the day walking uptown. Chelsea Clinton wrote that she had an "irrational medley of thoughts" running through her head.
As Media Matters for America documented, in a May 24, 2007, appearance on CNN to promote her book The Extreme Makeover of Hillary (Rodham) Clinton (Regnery, May 2007), Bay Buchanan made similar false claims about Hillary Clinton's account of her daughter's whereabouts on the morning of September 11, 2001.
Also during the March 24 edition of Hannity & Colmes, after asserting, "[Hillary's] always saying this stuff that isn't true ... and she gets nailed," Morris stated: "It's like Al Gore, 'I invented the Internet,' [Erich Segal's 1970 romance novel] 'Love Story was about me.' " Contrary to Morris' assertion, Gore did not say that he "invented the Internet" or that "Love Story was about me." As Media Matters has documented, during the March 9, 1999, interview on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer that gave rise to the myth, Gore said: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." Following that interview, numerous media outlets falsely reported that Gore had asserted that he had "invented the Internet" -- a falsehood media figures continue to repeat. As Media Matters has also noted, in a September 22, 2000, article, the Los Angeles Times reported: "Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House and a Republican who is no friend of the Gore campaign, said earlier this month, 'Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet.' "
Further, Morris' assertion that Gore said "Love Story was about me" has been debunked. While Morris and other media figures asserted during the 2000 campaign that Gore had claimed he was the "subject" of Love Story, Princeton history professor Sean Wilentz and many others have noted:
Gore never made the claim. ... Schmoozing one night about the movies with two Time reporters, Gore had mentioned an interview, reported in the Nashville Tennessean, in which Segal claimed that Gore and Tipper were the models for his story. There was such an interview, but the Nashville reporter misquoted Segal, who actually said that Al, and not Tipper, had served as one of his models.
From the March 24 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
MORRIS: She says Chelsea was in danger on 9-11, jogging around the towers of the World Trade Center and was saved only 'cause she ducked into a coffee shop. She -- turns out she was in bed at home, and a friend woke her up and said, "Watch this on TV."
SEAN HANNITY (co-host): Right.
MORRIS: She's always saying this stuff that isn't true, just like this, and she gets nailed.
HANNITY: Does this now --
MORRIS: It's like Al Gore, "I invented the Internet," "Love Story was about me."
HANNITY: Yeah.
MORRIS: I mean, it becomes almost a joke.
HANNITY: Well, I think this now is -- it creates a danger of this becoming a joke here. But she's been trying to say that "the difference between myself and Barack Obama is, I've got these foreign policy credentials, I've got this experience here." This contradicts all of this.
MORRIS: Of course.
HANNITY: This is her number one selling point.
And Dick Mossis was in no danger that morning, because he was sucking on a prostitute's toes.
Either that or he was sucking on Sean Hannity's toes......
wz, it goes better this way
" he was sucking on sean hannity's . . . . . . toes."
I thought his favorite morning cereal was Twig N Berries...
That darn outside voice again! ;)
Do you suppose Morris KNOWS he has to lie, distort, and INVENT in order to try to make his Clinton-hating points?
Since he alludes to the thoroughly debunked Gore "invented the internet" myth, I'm guessing that REALITY does not intervene in his thought processes (?).
Now much does he get paid to exhibit such intellectual talent ?
I heard a program on NPR today about the power of rumors. They've actually done a study which indicates that the more you debunk a rumor, the more people believe it. I think that explains a lot.... like how President Numbnuts "won" two elections.
"maybe"? Is this really a close call for you? I mean, most honest people would simply label it a LIE.
Yet another reason that the Democrat Party needs to nominate Obama!!!
I mean, how long can the Fox News fans exist on a diet of nothing but excrement? And not even important excrement but seven year old stories someone told about their kid.
My favorite thing they ignore about old GW is the coke. I mean I must of heard Bill Clinton say,"I didn't inhale." Thousands of times for years after he said it, still hear it once in a while. But they barely gave air time to the fact the GW refused to answer questions about his nose candy.
But they barely gave air time to the fact the GW refused to answer questions about his nose candy.
And the fact that he stopped showing up for duty in teh Air National Guard when they started doing random drug tests...
A THIRD! Am I wrong? Is that a realistic figure? Man-O-Man, are we in trouble!
hrc has made up so much, what difference does it make if morris is right or wrong on this.
it reminds me of a talk i went to where a black woman was speaking. she was from birmingham and then said she was there during the church bombings. well, a quick calculation told me that she wasn't even born when those four girls got killed.
Seems to me your motive is you think Clinton lies a lot so why not let other people lie about her. My god, what genious! We no longer have to call her out when caught in a lie, that takes too much time! Let's just ruin her credibility by heaping a bunch of lies on her back and destroy her forever. Because once a person loses your particular respect, that person should never ever be allowed to run for office ever!
No wonder righties don't believe a prisoner can ever be reformed.
i was asked about the birmingham story, that's what i was responding to. you are focusing on a different aspect of my post. that's okay, but not responsive to what i said.
no, i don't lies being told about anyone. in a way, i think hillary is in a tough spot. she has worked so hard for this, suffered through her husband's indiscretions, and now she is being upended by this guy who came out of nowhere. it must be very painful for her, and she must be at wits end. i went through a period like this in my life, and i did not like it much.
this doesn't mean i would vote for her, but i feel for her, even though she's got tens a millions of dollars more than i.
Really? In your first post you said THIS:
hrc has made up so much, what difference does it make if morris is right or wrong on this.
NOW you say you dont like lies told about anyone but in your first post you are saying what does it MATTER if he lies about her. Can you clear this seeming contradiction up for me?
All she has worked for? That assumes that nothing before now matters if she falls short of the Presidency. Even if she fails, she's still accomplished much more professionally than most people ever will. I think you're overstating a bit.
Then again, maybe Clinton will feel that she's failed if she doens't make it. I'm not prepared for that kind of mind-reading.
You dont KNOW? Why not? Is there some reading comprehension problem? She said what she said on TV. We know EXACTLY what it is. What it ISNT is what Morris said. Morris lied. The only way you DONT know is if you cant read. I dont like Hillary and she lied recently but you just SAYING she lies so much doesnt make it a fact and even if it IS a fact she DIDNT say what Morris claimed so YES he lied. EITHER you care when people like Morris lie or you ONLY care when people like Hillary lie. Your first statement CANNOT be reconsiled with your second statement PERIOD. Morris CLEARLY LIED.
hrc has made up so much, what difference does it make if morris is right or wrong on this.
This has nothing to do with Hillary lying recently or at any other time. What he said is demonstrably false.
It's about him lying about this story. It's about him lying about Al Gore. How can this be that difficult for you to grasp?
What difference does it make if someone in the media lies to foster their own political motives? Did you really just say that? Do you not understand why Media Matters is here? Conservative misinformation has poisoned our nation. If that doesn't concern you, then you have no soul.
RUMPLE:
Aside from your pronoun confusion, let's try to make sense of your statement. You say: "it (the discussion of Hillary's credibility?) reminds me (reminds YOU?) of a talk i went to (a talk YOU went to?) where a black woman was speaking."
OK. YOU PERSONALLY went to a talk, where a black woman was speaking. So far, so good.
You say: "she was from birmingham (the black woman) and then said she was there during the church bombings (plural? Several church bombings?). well, a quick calculation told me that she wasn't even born when those four girls got killed (from several church bombings, to a specific one? Or was it four killed in several different bombings? And your "calculations" were that this black woman was too young to have "been there"? At just one, or at all four? And this "reminds you" of Hillary, HOW?)
Did she actually say she was physically THERE at the bombings? Or that she REMEMBERED them? I remember the Civil War, but I wasn't there.
Your statement here is very confusing. Care to clear up your "reasoning"?
love story was about al gore, and his college roomie, tommy lee jones.
http://www.dailyhowler.com/h052500_1.shtml
my wife has a friend, whose daughter worked in the towers. when she was in college she spent a year in germany. on her last night, in a bit of revelry, she fell off a statue wet with rain and broke both ankles.
on the day of the attacks she was hobbling to work, but because she was late, due to the hobbling, she was spared.
that story raises a number of questions for me. like, if she was a hobbler, why didn't she leave home earlier.
anyway, she's now a harvard mba, and probably is getting laid off.
i don't think i mentioned a name, so i don't know what you are talking about.
frankly, i don't believe the story as related. the girl would have been late to work everyday, if the hobbling excuse is to be believed.
sounds like one of those old wives tales to me.
These statements from Morris, and his "me-tooers" posting here, sound exactly like bitter evaluations of an ex-wife. "Oh, you can't believe a word she says," as a blanket condemnation, a complete dismissal, and made without any credible example.
Franken covered it in his "Lying liars lie" tome ... it's the rightwinger's nature to accuse all enemies of being pathological liars, while simultaneously not being able to tell a single truth themselves.
Would I believe Hillary, or Hannity? HILLARY! Hillary, or Bush? HILLARY! Hillary, or ANY DAMN REPUBLICAN? Hillary, every time. HILLARY, or any damn Rightwing talking head pundit? Again, HILLARY would be believed, before any of those serial chronic lying liars.
Is everything Hillary ever said the absolute truth? Probably not, but compared to her detractors, her honesty is stunning.
"She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit."
Who drinks a cup of coffee right before jogging?!?
You mean Chelsea was planning on sitting down for half an hour to drink it and THEN go running? Or was she gonna run and drink a scolding hot beverage at the same time?
My gut tells me this is another Clinton "misstatement".
Once again, more evidence that more lies have been said about the Clintons than they have ever said themselves.
(And I voted for Bush41, Dole and (will vote for) Obama. So don't going think I'm some kind of Clinton-phile. I just call 'em as I see 'em.)
Wow, it amazing how Media Matter has totally spun this comment by Morris. If you are intelligent enough to understand that the account recorded by MM are on separate time frames and are by separate perceptions of accounts then you can see how they are trying to dispute the idea of Hillary Clinton making comments to make America more sympathetic to her “playing the daughter in danger card”. Any one that doesn’t think that a politician would use any aspect of there life…during a major time stamp in history, to gain voter sympathy is ignorant.
What you need to understand is Morris is commenting on Hillary’s perception and account of the event and is demonstrating how she is embellishing the momentous occasion to get political sympathy. MM will have you know that Chelsea gave and account of herself in a different news piece, but this doesn’t matter because it is not what Chelsea is commenting on… it is Hillary. Everyone knows that mothers tend to be overprotective and think of the worst. Many times I heard the comment, “I thought you were in the ditch; bloody and calling for Help”, when I didn’t check in as a teen.
The problem is that Hillary found out 2 hours after the attacks on 911 that her daughter was OK and decided, in her mind, to use this event as a political talking point. No one is taking away the fact that she was worried about her child, but to use this as a topic to gain political sympathy is very transparent and Morris is pointing this out. It is pretty obscure that MM would consider this misinformation when it is all subjective and there are two perceptions involved. Not a great story MM, come up with better.
DICK MORRIS is nothing but a BIG JOKE and a joker. Ever since he was caught with his pants down, had to leave the Clinton campaign and then again was caught in bed with a call girl in a Washington hotel and at the same time having an official phone conversation, his credibility is absolutely worthless.
Why in the name of anything, FOX would hire him as a consultant is beyond comprehension.
FOX JUST WHERE IS YOUR JUDGMENT? UNLESS YOU KNOW AHEAD OF TIME THAT DICK MORRIS WILL DENIGRATE ANYTHING CLINTON.
The public will obviously have to provide a Public History of 9-11:
http://boards.historychannel.com/thread.jspa?threadID=800034734&start=75&tstart=0
--no one's going to remember these bozos on the two year vacation to futility.
More lies from Hillary. Chelsea did not see the smoke or hear the rumble in person. She was asleep at her midtown apartment. A friend woke her up and she watched it on television. She was not jogging - not at a pay phone.
The next thing we will hear is that Hillary was at the scene pulling people from the rubble whilst dodging sniper fire and wearing a NY Yankee hat.
Hillary was not dodging sniper fire. Hillary is not a lifelong NY Yankee fan. She is not named aftet Sir Edmund Hilary (one L not two). Hillary said it was her dream to join the US Marines and only sexism held her back.
Can you folks please put down the Kool Aid for just five seconds and answer honestly - do you believe Hillary when she said it was always her dream to join the Marines???? If you believe that, please go to Jonestown or join the Heaven's Gate or David Koresh cult.
Any of these instances seem relatively trivial in and of itself. However, cumulatively they identify a pattern of conduct. Hillary is a pathalogical liar. She probably doesn't even know the difference between lie and truth. In her warped mind, she probably thinks she actually does have foreign policy experience.
This reveals her character. Hillary is not a person of character. She is not a person of morality. Hillary strikes me as the type of person who when she was a child and another child wanted to play with her toy, she would break it rather than allow someone else to play with it.
I think McCain has a 90-95% chance of winning. He his hardly my cup of team but minimally better than the alternative. Obama will win the nomination and Hillary will do everything in her power to sabotage him. Obama is sufficiently naive that he doesn't see it coming.
If Hillary were one of the two women disputing custody of a baby in front of King Solomon, Hillary would want King Solomon to cut the child in half. She is one of the most selfish self-centered arrogant smug narcissists on the planet. She has a sense of entitlement in which she expects things to be given to her. She looted the White House of furniture because it belonged to her. This nomination belongs to her because she is the chosen one. I honestly think she is a sociopath.
I would never vote for Obama because he is a liberal who is deeply profoundly wrong on the issues and entirely unqualified for the job. However, I don't think he is a bad person. He seems like a very nice guy and I have nothing against him personally - we just have a difference of opinion on the issues (he wants to raise taxes and surrender to al-Qaeda and I want to lower taxes - especially taxes on the rich -- and annihilate al-Qaeda). Obama is well-intentioned, he is just wrong on every issue.
Hillary on the other hand is not a good person. She is not well-intentioned. She is not even remotely qualified for the job - she does not having any experience or substantive accomplishments. She only got her job at Rose Law firm because she was married to the governor. She is not particulary intelligent. She is a meglomaniac who craves power. She is as phony as a three dollar bill. I could not wtomach having that arrogant elitist on my television for four years.
I know you will all call me stupid. If that makes you happy, then fine I'm stupid. However, please factually or substantively dispute anything I have said. I'll get it out of the way for you -- in addition to being stupid I am also a jerk and brainwashed by Rush.