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March 28, 2008 1:40 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Fox News' Megyn Kelly echoed a Washington Times column that questioned the legality of an Elton John concert for Sen. Hillary Clinton's campaign, even after the Clinton campaign posted a statement from FEC spokesman Bob Biersack saying he does not believe there is "anything unlawful about Elton John performing in a concert to raise money for a US presidential candidate." Additionally, Lis Wiehl falsely claimed that a 1981 FEC advisory opinion stated that "you couldn't volunteer any time if you're a foreign national."

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During the March 27 edition of Fox News' America's Election HQ, co-host Megyn Kelly noted that "British singer Sir Elton John is trying to help his friend, [Sen.] Hillary Clinton ... by holding a one-night-only solo concert to help support her campaign." Echoing a March 27 Washington Times column, Kelly went on to ask: "The concert could rake in a lot of dough for Clinton, but is it legal?" Fox News legal analyst Lis Wiehl later asserted that "there have been a couple of rulings from the SEC saying -- the FEC [Federal Election Commission], excuse me -- saying, 'Well, you know, in '81, we said no, you couldn't volunteer any time if you're a foreign national.' But then, the Clinton campaign is hooking onto a 1987 opinion, which said, 'Yes, you could.' Now, these are only advisory opinions. So, when you ask the question, 'Is it legal?' ... we don't really know." In fact, as Media Matters for America documented, a spokesman for the FEC said earlier on March 27 that he does not believe there is "anything unlawful about Elton John performing in a concert to raise money for a US presidential candidate," and the 1981 FEC advisory opinion Wiehl cited did not state, as she claimed, that "you couldn't volunteer any time if you're a foreign national."

Responding to a March 27 "Inside the Beltway" column by The Washington Times' John McCaslin, in which McCaslin wrote that FEC spokesman Bob Biersack "said he doesn't know whether the Elton John performance would be considered unlawful by FEC standards," the Clinton campaign's Fact Hub website quoted Biersack as saying: "I did not intend to convey in my conversation with the Washington Times reporter that there is anything unlawful about Elton John performing in a concert to raise money for a US presidential candidate. The Advisory Opinion 2004-26 is clear in the circumstances of the request that foreign nationals may volunteer and may even solicit contributions from non-foreign nationals, provided they are not soliciting other foreign nationals." The Clinton campaign posted Biersack's remarks before Kelly and Wiehl discussed the concert's legality, but neither one mentioned Biersack's follow-up as reported by the Clinton campaign.

Moreover, contrary to Wiehl's assertion that the 1981 advisory opinion stated that "you couldn't volunteer any time if you're a foreign national," that FEC opinion prohibited a foreign national -- an artist -- from donating his services to produce something tangible -- a painting that person created -- to a campaign; it did not prohibit donating a service alone. As Wiehl noted, the FEC found, in a 1987 opinion, that a foreign national could "provide uncompensated volunteer services to a presidential campaign."

From the March 27 edition of Fox News' America's Election HQ:

KELLY: Well, British -- this is the time for the music. Where's the Elton John music?

BILL HEMMER (co-host): Kiki Dee. Do it.

KELLY: British singer Sir Elton John is trying to help his friend, Hillary Clinton --

[Elton John song playing]

KELLY: There it is -- by holding a one-night-only solo concert to help support her campaign. It happens on April 9th -- maybe. The concert could rake in a whole lot of dough for Clinton, but is it legal? Fox News legal analyst Lis Wiehl is here to explain. Hi, Lis.

WIEHL: Hi. Are you going to start breaking into song now?

KELLY: No, I wouldn't force that on our viewers for anything. OK. The deal is there's a law that may prohibit this.

WIEHL: Right.

KELLY: In layman's terms, what does it say?

WIEHL: Foreign nationals, you know, people not national to this country, can't contribute money -- funds to campaigns. Well, what Elton John is saying is -- and the Clinton campaign is saying, "Wait, he's not contributing funds. He's just contributing his time and his services and all of that, so he should be able to do that." All right. So, then there was this big brouhaha that's been kind of percolating the last couple of days about this.

KELLY: Well, because you can't contribute directly or indirectly.

WIEHL: Right, or indirectly. So, is that indirect contribution by saying, "I'm going to come and I'm going to give you all this money --

KELLY: Did he say --

WIEHL: -- I'm not giving you money, but I'm going to give you all of this attention and all these people are going to come and they're spending $125 per ticket at Radio City Music Hall" --

KELLY: At least, they're going for 700 bucks online right now.

WIEHL: Exactly -- 700 bucks?

KELLY: Seven hundred bucks.

WIEHL: Oh my goodness. I thought $125 was high. But anyway, there have been a couple of rulings from the SEC saying -- the FEC, excuse me -- saying, "Well, you know, in '81, we said no, you couldn't volunteer any time if you're a foreign national." But then, the Clinton campaign is hooking onto a 1987 opinion, which said, "Yes, you could." Now, these are only advisory opinions. So, when you ask the question, "Is it legal?" --

KELLY: It's not clear.

WIEHL: -- we don't really know.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (March 28, 2008 1:51 pm ET)
         
      Barack and Hillary are both taking shots at Johno, finally. On the other hand it's, lets create a controversy out of nothing time for our glorious media.
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    • Author by draftedin68 (March 28, 2008 1:51 pm ET)
         

      A new motto....

      I think the last Wiehl qoute should replace FOX NEWS' "Fair and Balanced"

                          FOX NEWS - We Don't Really Know

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 28, 2008 2:07 pm ET)
           

        Yeah, that's some real digging there. An earlier decision said "not legal", a more recent decision says "legal". Neither are binding, only advisory decisions.And Fox news can only get as far as "Duh... I dunno."

        But I have to ask myself: Where do Hillary's loyalties lie-

        With America?

        Or with Great Britain, a nation that has, within the past decade:

        **Conspired with another nation to illegally invade a sovereign country.

        **Associated itself with a nation that has engaged in torture of prisoners

        **Facilitated the manipulation of intelligence by another nation as a pretext to war.

        Is that the sort of country we want out President being influenced by?

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        • Author by carlileb5935 (March 28, 2008 2:13 pm ET)
             
          Those Clintons will do anything to win. Didn't Bill go there in the 60's? I knew it. What was wrong with American schools? Exactly what was he doing there? And who paid for it?
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          • Author by pete592 (March 28, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
               

            Great use of the "Cavuto" mark. 

            Fox News would be proud.  You should submit a resume. 

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        • Author by eweston8542983 (March 28, 2008 2:27 pm ET)
             

          While some of their food might make a war a reasonable response. I doubt if Elton is interested in being in being anyones spiritual guide.

           

          FACT CHECK BOHUNK!

          Safe as clown's milk. 

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    • Author by wzwriter (March 28, 2008 2:03 pm ET)
         
      I used to think that the easiest job in the world was being a weather forecaster in Las Vegas, NV (hot today, hot tonight, hot tomorrow).  Now, it looks like the easiest job is being a fact checker at Faux News.  They don't bother checking ANYTHING!!!!!
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    • Author by MickD (March 28, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
         
      When the last time Liz Wiehl went to a concert? "I thought $125 is high!"

      What is not being discussed is who Caspar the Friendly McCain would have in a fund raising concert. Is Pat Boone still alive?
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    • Author by proudconservative (March 28, 2008 2:10 pm ET)
         

      I hope none of us will be posting on here tomorrow evening.  In fact maybe we could all play Stone Age to get warm and fuzzy with our inner child.  Remember, your footprint guys.

      http://www7.earthhourus.org/downloads.php

      What nonesense.

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 28, 2008 2:18 pm ET)
           

        On-topic and fascinating, PC. As usual. Do you ever have a point to anything you post here?

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        • Author by tommy (March 28, 2008 2:23 pm ET)
             
          Coming from a poster who just nuzzled in his left wing Iraq war talking points above, off topic, but fascinating nonetheless.
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 28, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
               
            I'm not sure I get you, Tommy. Is there something else you'd rather I nuzzle in? ;0)
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 28, 2008 2:27 pm ET)
                 
              And besides, the topic is about the influence of furriners on our electoral process. Are you a subject of the Queen, Tommy? Speak up.
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              • Author by tommy (March 28, 2008 2:28 pm ET)
                   
                Oh Col, your cute prose often distracts and entertains others here, just not me.  Sorry...
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                • Author by worrierking (March 28, 2008 2:49 pm ET)
                     

                  I've been meaning to talk to the Colonel about his distracting the group.

                  It's not like you or I've ever done that, right Tommy? 

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                  • Author by tommy (March 28, 2008 2:54 pm ET)
                       
                    It was a little dig, jeez........as if I don't get it all the time.  all good.....
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                    • Author by worrierking (March 28, 2008 2:57 pm ET)
                         

                      Tommy, you're too much like me. You live for the little digs.

                      Without them this place would be pretty boring. 

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                      • Author by tommy (March 28, 2008 3:03 pm ET)
                           
                        Absolutely agree......although I do tend to dig myself into a hole now and then.
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            • Author by tommy (March 28, 2008 2:27 pm ET)
                 

              Well, considering you slapped PC for veering off topic, I thought I'd offer up a friendly reminder that you did the same thing, just above - or did I miss the stuff in this thread about our illegal Iraqi invasion?

              But nuzzle away, it's all good.  

              ;) 

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            • Author by sportsguydave (March 28, 2008 2:32 pm ET)
                 
              Tread lightly, Col ... as soon as his pal Jeter gets here, he's going to kick you to the curb... :)
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          • Author by nerzog (March 28, 2008 2:29 pm ET)
               
            As long as we're spending over $200,000,000 a day in Iraq, I think it eclipses every other topic. But that's just me.
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            • Author by tommy (March 28, 2008 2:31 pm ET)
                 
              Tell that to the moderators here then, because I think we are supposed to be on topic or boom, flag/deletion.
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 28, 2008 3:14 pm ET)
                 

              No, Nerzog, you don't get to make the rules. We're worried about the influence of foreign interests ,specifically an entertainer from a nation who's most damnable actions (God Damn the U.K.- there, I said it) of recent years were done under the influence of a nation whose actions are beyond reproach.

              And if you think that has to do with the topic, then you obviously need a few words re-defined.

              There, I'll dig back. And I was wondering where Jeter was too.He was getting pretty moonbatty here lately,even throwing out the possibility of an Obama vote, and may have gone to Wingnut camp for reprogramming.

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        • Author by proudconservative (March 28, 2008 3:09 pm ET)
             

          Cap'in,

          Sorry, I just found this topic less than interesting. 

          But back to the matter at hand, the story in Washington Times doesn't say that this is illegal just unusual.  If a complaint is poused to the FEC then it will decide.  Hill's fact checker indicates a different statement that appears about the same time the Fox show came on.  This thread is about an incident that happened yesterday, again about the same time the FEC commented to Clinton's campaign.  The FEC has not released on its website anything relating to this question, just the reporting by Clinotn's campaign and Wash times.

          Barking at Fox for this is like saying that Bagdad Bob McDermott's visit to cuddle with Saddam Hussein (not his middle name mind you) was 'just about the children'.  Both stories are not clearly resolved, as yet. 

          The Election Commission will have to decide whether or not it violates the law, and maybe they have already.  It seems that this mess could have been avoided if only EJ was paid fair market value from the Clinton campaign, (I hear chinese dishwashers are wonderful fans of Elton, so that should present no problems for her coffers).  Read the article and see how this may or may not turn out.

          http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080327/NATION02/615066787

          http://www.fec.gov/press/press2008/2008NewsReleases.shtml

          Anyway, will you be turning off anything that smacks of the 19th century+ tomorrow night in honor of Earth Hour?

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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 28, 2008 3:40 pm ET)
               
            How will I know when the hour's over? The sun's going down  a bit later these days, but my sundial is going to be useless by 9:00, and if clocks and watches are verboten, it may be confusing.
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            • Author by proudconservative (March 28, 2008 3:45 pm ET)
                 

              Colonel,

              This saving the earth stuff is sure difficult.  What's a tree-hugger to do?

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              • Author by foghornleghorn (March 28, 2008 4:21 pm ET)
                   

                What's a tree-hugger to do?

                Recycle.

                Use public transportation.

                Don't drink bottled water or use plastic grocery bags.

                 

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                • Author by mefirst (March 28, 2008 6:31 pm ET)
                     
                  i recycle everything i can.  catalogs magazines paper bags, all in with the newspapers.  and my grocery store has plastic bag recycling, along with egg cartons and plastic trays.  i always refuse the bag at the store for two items.  and i don't grab a big handful of paper napkins and then toss them away at a restaurant.   you are exactly correct about bottled water.  one of the most energy wasteful products there is.  if you don't have good water, maybe, but in general tap water is fine.  if you're not in a room for an hour, turn the light out.  all off topic, but an issue that needs to be discussed.  i have no idea why some people find it amusing to mock energy conservation.   i guess they need to grow up. 
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                  • Author by proudconservative (March 28, 2008 8:42 pm ET)
                       

                    themlast,

                    Your ideas seemed reasoned and practical as well.  My humor was directed at those who look at the action of returning to 19th century technology as a way of saving the earth.  Will algore, barbara streisand and others turn their lights off to honor earth hours?

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                    • Author by mefirst (March 28, 2008 9:37 pm ET)
                         
                      it's obvious you find the whole subject of conservation a big joke and a lot of "nonsense".   it's nothing out of the ordinary.  conservatives constantly mock energy-saving and pollution-reducing ideas.   if you feel differently, feel free to state so.  
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                    • Author by wzwriter (March 31, 2008 7:54 am ET)
                         

                      Will algore, barbara streisand and others turn their lights off to honor earth hours?

                      Your use of "algore" confirms something I've suspected for quite some time, Proud Idiot.  You're nothing but a brain-dead dittohead who only repeats what right-wing morons like OxyContin Rush tell you.

                      Go back to Free Republic, Lucianne.com, or whatever cybersewer you slithered out of.

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                  • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 29, 2008 2:31 am ET)
                       

                      i always refuse the bag at the store for two items. - mefirst

                    But do you renounce and reject the bag?

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          • Author by solon (March 28, 2008 4:29 pm ET)
               
            And MMFA didnt say they CALLED it illegal they said they questioned its legality. Also the statement by the FCC guy seems definitive.
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          • Author by solon (March 28, 2008 4:29 pm ET)
               
            And MMFA didnt say they CALLED it illegal they said they questioned its legality. Also the statement by the FCC guy seems definitive.
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          • Author by BottleBlonde (March 29, 2008 12:10 am ET)
               

            Sorry, I just found this topic less than interesting. ProudConservative

            So, because you found this topic less than interesting it's somehow okay for you to go off topic? (btw, I don't believe you. It appears your paycheck is based upon your success in distracting from the real topic, considering your posting history. I think you and/or your bosses found this topic threatening, and so you did your best to change the subject.)

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      • Author by DEMS_SOL (March 28, 2008 2:22 pm ET)
           

        Sorry - I'm having a crawfish boil and will have the driveway lights, spot lights, house lights and party lights going full blaze.  Fans will be blowing the cigar smoke and the band will be playing mostly electric instruments. Once the Keg is floating we'll be using gas powered yard brooms and shop vacs to clean up. 

        No wonder nobody believes I'm a Democrat!

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      • Author by wzwriter (March 28, 2008 2:39 pm ET)
           

        I hope none of us will be posting on here tomorrow evening.  In fact maybe we could all play Stone Age to get warm and fuzzy with our inner child.  Remember, your footprint guys.

        You won't have to worry about playing Stone Age, PC - your ideas and agenda are pretty nuch extinct already.

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        • Author by proudconservative (March 28, 2008 3:19 pm ET)
             

          foolishrider,

          Good quip for the bad guys.

          But are you going to power down for 1 hour to save mother earth?  Or are you going to 'Crocodile Rock' or decide that 'Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting (Earth's Fever)' instead?

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          • Author by worrierking (March 28, 2008 3:52 pm ET)
               
            For starters, let's "Burn Down The Mission'.
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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 28, 2008 4:13 pm ET)
                 
              but don't Levon the lights during Earth Hour.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 28, 2008 4:17 pm ET)
                   
                Oh, and if you need to start up your stove or water heater afterwards, I'll do it. Just take me to the pilot light.
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            • Author by solon (March 28, 2008 6:58 pm ET)
                 
              Ah Tumbleweed Connection. One of my favorite albums. I actually think that is the best song about revolution I have ever heard
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 29, 2008 2:35 am ET)
                   
                Would you call it your song?
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              • Author by worrierking (March 29, 2008 8:03 am ET)
                   
                I agree. Tumbleweed is great.

                What the hell happened to him? If there was an award for the artist who has taken the steepest plunge from the top, I'd say that Elton John wins.

                I know younger people who think he's terrific. They paid a fortune to see him recently and did all old material. They weren't familiar with it. A lot of it was from Tumbleweed. They couldn't stand it. They wanted to hear dirges from The Lion King.
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                • Author by MickD (March 29, 2008 11:21 am ET)
                     
                  Try his latest album 'Captain and the Kid.' I had your opinion about Reggie as well, but this album turned it around. It's not as great as Tumbleweed, but it sounds like it belongs in that era. "Blues Never Fade Away" is just a great song on this album.
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          • Author by solon (March 28, 2008 4:31 pm ET)
               
            ProudMORON he is right. Except stone age is being kind
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          • Author by wzwriter (March 31, 2008 7:51 am ET)
               

            But are you going to power down for 1 hour to save mother earth? 

            My wife and I were not home during that hour Saturday night. Proud Imbecile. We sell merchandise at a flea market on the weekends, and were driving home at that time.  But instead of participating in one-shot events liake the one on Saturday noght, I prefer to do things on a daily basis to save Mother Earth:

            1.  I drive a 4-cylinder vehicle that gets 25 MPG (I'd like to drive something more efficient, but my wife is disabled and we need something that will transport her mobility scooter.  The vehivle we bought - a Honda Element - had the most room inside and the highest mileage of all the vehicles we looked at.)

            2.  We purposely bought a house less than ten miles from my office so i use less gas to commute.  And combine shopping trips to minimize gas use the rest of the time.

            3.  We bought a home that's just big enough for us.  We don't have to be concerned with heating and cooling a huge home with cathedral ceilings and a Great Room designed to impress others; our two-bedroom rancher has 1,000 square feet, and that's all we need.

            4.  We do everything we can to conserve energy, from using a programmable thermostat to making sure lights are not kept on needlessly.

            In short, I think we do more than our share on a daily basis to conserve energy and save Mother Earth?  Can you make the same statement, Proud For No Good Reason?  I don't think so...

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      • Author by worrierking (March 28, 2008 3:03 pm ET)
           

        If we elect that McCain kid as our next president, with his fondness for bomb, bomb bombing, we might find ourselves back in the stone age in no time.

         

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        • Author by nerzog (March 28, 2008 3:57 pm ET)
             
          Well, we know his good buddy John Hagee wants us to make foreign policy decisions based on the superstitions of Bronze Age goatherds.
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      • Author by solon (March 28, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
           
        ProudConservative plays the LOOK OVER THERE card again. Do you EVER contribute to the thread of is the derail the thread troll thing all you do?
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    • Author by mefirst (March 28, 2008 8:36 pm ET)
         

           i took myself a blue canoe

             and i floated like a leaf

          dazzling, dancing, half enchanted

               in my merlin sleep

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (March 29, 2008 2:39 am ET)
           
        I love that song. Slayer, right?
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        • Author by mefirst (March 29, 2008 6:50 am ET)
             
          it's from "where to now, st. peter", on elton's tumbleweed connection, a great album. 
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    • Author by herk336346 (March 29, 2008 9:45 am ET)
         

      Why is it that the media is not picking up on the credentials of valor that McCain supposedly earned?  One of his valor awards the DFC (Distinguished Flying Cross) is awarded to any personwho, while serving in any capacity with the Armed Forces,distinguishes himself or herself by heroism or extraordinary achievement while participating in aerial flight. The performance of the act of heroism must be evidenced by voluntary action above and beyond the call of duty. I have not been able to find any mention of the citation that should accompany this honor. My father received this award,DSC in WWI there should be a citation with it.  If you search the files there is none to be found. Why is he given a free pass on this?

       

       

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (March 29, 2008 12:32 pm ET)
         
      Haven't kept up my end on concert going, but I did see him in the early 70's pior to GYBR. He was just starting to come out publicly, I think. The finalie dancing with"legs" Larry Smith under a fall of sequins might have been a hint. Great show!
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    • Author by robrob (March 30, 2008 1:44 am ET)
         

      WIEHL: ...Is it legal?

      KELLY: It's not clear.

      WIEHL: -- we don't really know.

      Either they are overpaid idiots or liars (possibly both).

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