Savage: "I would round up every member of the ACLU and of the National Lawyers Guild and I'd put them in a prison in Guantánamo and I'd throw the key away"
SUMMARY: On his radio show, Michael Savage stated, "Cops are getting knocked off all over the country because of the rules of engagement, written primarily by the scummiest class in America, the vermin of vermin, which are the left-wing lawyers who should be put in Abu Ghraib with hoods over their head, as far as I'm concerned." He then stated: "If I had the power by executive order, I would round up every member of the ACLU and of the National Lawyers Guild, and I'd put them in a prison in Guantánamo and I'd throw the key away."
On the March 31 broadcast of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage stated, "Cops are getting knocked off all over the country because of the rules of engagement, written primarily by the scummiest class in America, the vermin of vermin, which are the left-wing lawyers who should be put in Abu Ghraib with hoods over their head, as far as I'm concerned." He then stated: "If I had the power by executive order, I would round up every member of the ACLU and of the National Lawyers Guild, and I'd put them in a prison in Guantánamo and I'd throw the key away. Or I would reopen Devil's Island and I'd put everyone in the ACLU into -- onto Devil's Island." He added, "But, you see, I fantasize. That's one of my flaws is I live in a fantasy land that can never be." Devil's Island is a former French penal colony off the coast of French Guiana.
As Media Matters for America has documented, Savage has a history of attacking the ACLU. On the May 19, 2004, broadcast of The Savage Nation, Savage called the ACLU "the most dangerous organization in the history of America" and advocated that "these big-mouthed, phony scum of the ACLU ... should be put into Abu Ghraib prison."
Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, says that Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches more than 8 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
From the March 31 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:
SAVAGE: Now, we already know what's been done to the United -- the American police in America, how their hands have been tied behind their back. How the criminal has more rights than the policeman. It's been written about to such an extent that I don't want to repeat it. Cops are getting knocked off all over the country because of the rules of engagement, written primarily by the scummiest class in America, the vermin of vermin, which are the left-wing lawyers who should be put in Abu Ghraib with hoods over their head, as far as I'm concerned. If I had the power by executive order, I would round up every member of the ACLU and of the National Lawyers Guild and I'd put them in a prison in Guantánamo and I'd throw the key away. Or I would reopen Devil's Island and I'd put everyone in the ACLU into -- onto Devil's Island. I swear to God, that's what I'd like to do to save this country. But, you see, I fantasize. That's one of my flaws is I live in a fantasy land that can never be.
Sorry I called you a troll earlier Bobthep,
I just like Dean's 50-state strategy. If you don't like him, well, I'll just have to deal with it.
This is really funny. Mmfa produces an article where Savage demands the jailing of nutcase liberals. And, in response to that devious stance by Savage, the nutcase liberals demand anyone who thinks like Savage to be locked up and drugged.
I guess one is worse than the other, and requires intensive attention to alert similar thinkers to the dangers of the other?
....In This Corner: 'Nutcase ultra-conservative thinks ultra-liberals should be jailed indefinately'
....And The Other Corner: 'Nutcase ultra-liberal thinks all ultra-conservative thinkers should be jailed AND drugged'
Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, says that Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches more than 8 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.
For the record, Talk Radio Network is, to be kind, definitely the low-rent end of the radio syndicator spectrum. Most of the stations they have signed up for Savage are in small/medium markets with fringe stations who hardly register in ratings. The 8 millions figure is laughable and would more likely represent the number of people who might listen if they knew where to find him and were masochistic enough to want to. As for the Talkers Magazine representation, the publication serves as a mouthpiece for anyone who has money to spend advertising in its pages. Their information undoubtedly comes from a handout press release from TRN. Savage is irrelevant and MMFA would do well to ignore this raving lunatic. Giving him attention is just what he wants.
Whenever I think of Savage...
I can't help but think of cowplop. This man gives a whole new meaning to the word "FILTH". He embodies it.
Isn't that what we've been saying for years?
I can't understand Savage's and O'Reilly's hatred of the ACLU. I mean, they are defenders of the constitution aren't they? So isn't hating the ACLU is essentially hating the constitution and ergo hating America?
I'm very confused about this since these guys wrap themselves in the flag every chance they get.
That's Savage Logic for you. Use his 1st amendment rights to argue for acts violating the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th.
All the right wing airbags and the politicians who use the same rhetoric live in this imaginary world where all criminals are evil scum with rock solid evidence proving their guilt. In this fantasy world any lawyer who represents these wretched villains must also be a wretched villain.
Unless of course something suddenly shatters their black and white vision of the world. Suddenly Rush isn't quite so fast to attack drug users as inferior creatures who should be locked away in a dark hole forever. Suddenly Billo is in favor of a furlough or reduced sentence when a dying girl wants to see her father one last time. Suddenly Sean will argue against the ruling of a criminal court when Scooter might go to jail.
Until it effects them personally these loudmouths don't think their is a difference between guilty and accused so when they think of the ACLU they think of an organization that fights for the rights of the guilty, not a group that simply wants justice and law to prevail.
I mean, they [the ACLU] are defenders of the constitution aren't they?
Foghornleghorn, though the ACLU may continue to tell you this, the best that you can do is to look at them for yourself, such organizations have a tendency to get increasingly biased.
such organizations have a tendency to get increasingly biased.
Can you provide any examples of this, or are you just pulling theories out of your a** again.
I seem to remember the ACLU defending staunch conservatives at times. But then the right-wing gas bags say that they are part of some sort of liberal conspiracy.
Which is it? Or is it neither?
right, like in this instance Fin?
ACLU defends hyper fundy baptists
Or like when they defended Limbaugh a few years back.
Or like when they defend the right of the KKK to hold marches and gatherings (I'm sure Fin likes them for this reason alone).
Or like when they defend kids who want to have a Christian, or other religious club at their public schools.
And so on and so forth.
Or their undying hate of the Boy Scouts: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1811993/posts
Or their 'loving' support for child molestors: http://www.cwfa.org/articles/727/CFI/cfreport/index.htm + http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/07/26/091744.php
Well, thankfully for us this sick bastard isn't in charge of anything more than a pathetic little radio show.
"Unfortunately, his radio show is quite influential. Millions of people listen to his drivel every day, and, I assume, many of them agree with Savage. Pretty alarming."
I, for one, do NOT totally agree with Savage! I wouldn't throw away the key ;)
"And yes, the irony is that the ACLU would come to Savage's defense if his freedom of speech were ever threatened."
Where was the ACLU during Savage's suit against CAIR for freedom of speech issues? Where was the ACLU while the democrats (and ultra liberals) called for passage of the H.R. 3302 (the fairness doctrine)?
pathetic little radio show.
Rated third in the nation for listeners after Limbaugh and Billo. Our citizens eat this stuff up.
"Even knowing what to expect I found my self getting angrier the longer I listened it him." -middleleft
That, my good fellow, is your common sense struggling to break through the idealogical walls erected in your subconscious by years of indoctrination.
I'm glad however, that you managed to restrain this most annoying of emotions. Just try to stay away from that poisonous "hateful" stuff you might hear on radio.
I don't say that to promote anger, just to say a little anger is sometimes good.
What I'd do is take every right-wing blowhole talk radio "star"...
Put 'em in a pen, and drop buckets of cow feces on them, while making them watch endless reels of the O'Reilly Factor. They'd be free after 1 month.
i would prefer karl rove and scooter libby myself.
For the poopy pit ?
I want W and his mother
Sounds cruel and unusual ATV. They'd be in some serious pain and likely not survive this. Dispite this I'd say no.
I'd say put them on an average working wage some place obscure, in a FEMA trailer. They would never be allowed to be a part of the media again and put out of comunication with everybody in the media.
That's one of my flaws is I live in a fantasy land that can never be.
The only true words that ever came from this psycho's mouth.
You don't like what Savage or Rush or Hannity has to say or whats on Fox News don't listen or watch
What you don't understand is that the "germ" of a lie begins with these clowns. Then the lie is passed around the right-wing radio dial, gains momentum on Fox News, and is picked up by the MSM. Next thing you know, most citizens think Saddam had WMD's and his minions were flying the planes into the towers and thousands upon thousands of innocent people are DEAD in a war that didn't need to be fought.
That's why it's important to monitor their lies/hate speech.
Have you noticed that Weinderdog has been very sick lately? Cancerous growths on his hand, cancerous growths on his face, hospitalized for pneumonia... The stress of being WeinerSuperDog is getting to him. He's starting to break down.
I also noticed he lost his lawsuit - the one for which he bilked thousand of low-income listeners out of their money while at the same time talking on the radio about his fancy yacht and collection of cars. Things are not going well for him. Who will replace him when he is gone?? Dear me, we will need a new entertainer at MMFA.
Who will replace him when he is gone??
maybe these guys can put an ad in their waiting room.Or refer some replacements.
Col. Sanders,
That was frikkin' funny.
I think that North Korea is more his speed.
He could be referred to as their Dear Weiner there.
Yeah! Let's give it to GLENNJERICHO! He is the Devil! They don't make rooms with enough rubber for him. He is the liar of liars! There isn't a person on this planet that lies as well as him. We don't even live in America with him here. This place is like Nazi Germany! Schnitzel anyone?
What is hysterical about Savage's latest tirade is that if a government agency tried to stop him from speaking, and or make laws abridging his freedom of speech, the ACLU would GLADLY take his case. The ACLU defends and protects the Constitution. Folks who see them as some sort of huge left wing liberal group are flat out wrong. They main reason they see them as this, is because they keep religion out of public schools, and apparently, that's un-American, even though it says so right in our Constitution and all.
The other thing that rings funny to me is this guy railing and berating lawyers, while at the same time he's bringing a frivolous lawsuit against CAIR because they went after his sponsors for his hate speech, and apparently have gotten some of his sponsors to dump him, therefore taking him down a few pegs. And THEN he goes on the air, during his show, and solicits his listeners for donations to his "legal" fund, like he is being charged with something unfairly, when it is actually Savage who is bringing the suit against someone else, and therefore doing exactly what he rails and tirades and rants against almost on a daily basis.
If there are any boogeymen in the right wing's closet that scare them the most, they can always make hay with lawyers, the ACLU, and the "liberal" media.
Savage is a smart moron. Smart enough to play the victim, and yet has some sort of huge following. He talks about people who victimize him, so often in fact, that he has to move radio studios all of the time, and live on the DL. I think he makes this up myself. He's just another hardcore right wing pretentious windbag, who is a fake tough guy.
"doing exactly what he rails and tirades and rants against almost on a daily basis"
That sums up all these right-wing blowhards pretty good.
He's speculating what he would do if he had the power, but he will never have that power. The right-wingers who support him now would disappear into the woodwork once his past starts coming to light. Savage/Weiner was a wannabe beatnik who spent a lot of time hanging with gay, socialist drug addicts. They would seek him out for his "botany" skills. Heh.
The Geneva Accords are an anachronism written from an earlier time. We would use the FAA rules of the 1920s to regulate air travel today would we? So why use 1950s prisoner of war standards.
In the age of radical jihadism we must do ANYTHING (yes I mean anything) to keep us safe. If an innocent person gets dunked in water every now and then that's just too bad.
These terrorists laugh at us because they are living in the lap of luxury in that Club Med we're running in Gitmo. Most American prisoners who love their luxuries.
I think that our detention center for terrorists should be on Antarctica. If they get cold we can give them pink panties to put on their heads.
If we want to defeat radical jihadism we have to face the problem as realists and as adults.
As if the the laws that govern air travel are even remotely relative to the immutable principles of human rights embedded in our Constitution.
You hve no sense of responsibility.
I guess according to his logic from his previous post, then the Constitution should be really super duper irrelevant, because it was written, you know, back in 1787. I mean, gosh, what did they know about law back then?
As you said RH, human rights don't change. War hasn't really changed, just the means and speed with which we can wage it now. The premise behind war itself, is still really the same. History can show us that, which is why the Geneva Conventions are still relevant in 2008, and just as relevant as they were when they were written.
Then they began to take the Jews
When the fetched the people who were members of trade unions I did not speak
When they took the Bible students, rounded up the homosexuals
Then they gathered up the immigrants and the gypsies
I did not speak, I did not speak
Eventually they came for me and there was no one left to speak
So...
Since the lawyers actually representing terrorists are military lawyers, and NOT the ACLU (the only suits the ACLU has filed on behalf of people in Gitmo are the folks that are American citizens by the way), I suppose that those Marine, Army, and Navy lawyers representing those guys in Gitmo are un-patriotic? Or do they believe that everyone, and I mean everyone, should receive a fair trial? I think it's the latter, and it doesn't matter if they are citizens or not, they are to be tried by THIS country. I wouldn't expect me to not follow the rules and laws of a foreign country if I broke the law in say, England. I would be exposed to their justice system, just as people who are tried in America would be to ours.
We keep telling people about how we want to spread democracy, and hope, and "freedom" and all of that good stuff right? Well, what better way than to show the world that we are still a leader in democracy, and justice, and try these guys under the laws of the US, and not just something that Bush and his buddies made up.
In a previous post, you railed on about how we need to do ANYTHING to keep us safe from the bad boogeymen known as terrorists. I agree that we have to do anything, anything that is legal and within the laws of this country, because we are a country of laws are we not? I've said this before, and I'll say it again. I would rather die in some horrible terrorist event, than have my freedoms diminished, like they have been since 9/11 by the Bush administration, and his willing cohorts in Congress. You sound like a bedwetter kind of guy who sees terrorists around every corner, waiting to get you. And while I do fully understand that there are many folks in this world who want to do harm to the US, and her citizens, and even with the horrible events of the past, there is still an almost astronomical chance that you, or I would ever be involved in a terrorist attack of any kind. A lot more people in the US die from aspirin overdose every year than they do from terrorist attacks. We had better crack down on those aspirin providers, because they're killing our citizens.
I would rather have a few of my civil liberties curtailed than die in a terrorist attack. If it will stop a terrorist attack, the government is perfectly welcome to listen in on my phone calls - I have nothing to hide.
Your analogy to committing a crime in Britain is specious. These terrorists did not commit a crime in the United States. They are unlawful combatants. As they do not wear uniforms or march under a flag, the Geneva Conventions are not applicable.
They are not on US soil and did not commit a crime on US soil. Ergo, US law is not applicable to them. Simply said, they have no rights.
They cut people's heads off and we wring our hands about pink panties on their heads. I would imagine every US soldier captured would be thrilled to have pink panties on his head if that is all that would happen to him.
The signatories to the Geneva Conventions in 1954 did not anticipate this type of asympetric warefare. We asre fighting a very different war against the Islamofascists today then we fought against the Nazis in the 1940s.
We need to be guidedd by a new set of rules. Yes, this includes waterboarding and yes even actual torture if necessary.
This is war - not a game. I would rather win playing dirty than lose playing by the rules of the Marquess of Queensbury.
And I'm sorry the preservation of the integrity of law and the the values of human rights that guide the law making process should not be up for negotiation.
I'm sorry you're so very afraid and angry that you would cede your (and my) personal liberties for a selfish, temporary feeling of security. I'm sorry you have no sense responsibility to uphold and defend the words, "All men are created equal."
That statement doesn't come with stipulations. Whether you're a terrorist or a dentist you are gauranteed certain unalienable rights.
Frankly, I find you and your kind to be the worst type of coward. You need to feel protected at all times and through that fear would allow yourself to be made more vulnerable to unlawful detainment and inhumane treatment.
You're a pathetic excuse for a patriot.
So you want to torture people (make no bones about it, waterboarding IS torture) just because it might, maybe, save a few lives? So then that makes us better than terrorists how? Because we don't cut their heads off we're somehow better. No, you see, you're lowering the bar for our country, and ceding your rights because you want to feel protected. Guess what? If there were a majority of people in this country of the same mindset as you, the terrorists have already won. Why you might ask? Mostly because now you go about cowering in corners, saying you'd give up your rights because the terrorists might make an attack somewhere in this vast huge country, and maybe, just maybe, you might die.
Get some balls man! I guess you could put me down in the give me liberty or give me death crowd then. Again, I'd rather die than cede my rights as a human, and mostly as an American. I guess we can also mark you down in the un-American category.
SC,
You seem to be under the impression that torture is an effective means of gaining information. It is not. Torture causes people to say anything they think will stop the torture.
They are not on US soil and did not commit a crime on US soil. Ergo, US law is not applicable to them. Simply said, they have no rights.
WHAT? Are you really saying that? You think that they have NO rights? If you honestly believe that, I feel sorry for you. You also contradict yourself--if they have no rights under our laws, then we have no right to hold them. Arguing otherwise shows a lack of basic understanding of our entire legal structure; additionally, if you claim that we have the right to hold them for "national security," then you also have to claim that ANY country can hold ANYBODY for the same reason, without regard to any laws whatsoever.
The signatories to the Geneva Conventions in 1954 did not anticipate this type of asympetric warefare. We asre fighting a very different war against the Islamofascists today then we fought against the Nazis in the 1940s.
You are correct, we are fighting a very different kind of war. That has absolutely no bearing on whether the Geneva Conventions are still valid or necessary. You reveal your lack of understanding when you reference "Islamofascists;" Fascisim and fundamentalist Islam are mutually exclusive, it is a contradiction in terms despite the talking points insisting otherwise.
I would rather have a few of my civil liberties curtailed than die in a terrorist attack
It must really suck to be scared all the time. Why do you hate the constitution so much?
I cant say it better than Sir Thomas Moore
You Republican liars are not to be trusted.
This is when he pipes in and says, "But I'm not a republican, I'm an independant and don't tie myself to any party."
Coming in, 3-2-1...
He buys into the lie that all those held at gitmo are and were terrorists. Perhaps he didn't watch 60 minutes last Sunday about the innocent man from Germany who went on a pilgrimage to Pakistan, was taken off a bus after being fingered for suspicion by people the U.S. were paying by the head--sent to Afghanistan and tortured, then sent to Gitmo and tortured, spent 6 years there and finally released. Documents show that the U.S. knew who he was and that he was innocent for most of those years.
And all those posters above who made such great points about our treatment of even the vilest terrorists--thanks. Yes, giving up rights for some illusion of safety is madness. It isn't at all in the spirit of 1776.
That's one of my flaws is I live in a fantasy land .... The Savage Weiner
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Amen, brother....