MSNBC and CNN ignored "boldest question" from student at prep school but reported extensively on students' question to Chelsea Clinton
SUMMARY: MSNBC and CNN reported on Sen. John McCain's visit to his high school alma mater without noting that -- in what MSNBC's First Read political blog called "[t]he boldest question" from the crowd -- a student at the school, pointing out that "political motivation isn't completely absent" even though people "were told that this isn't a political event," asked McCain "what exactly is your purpose in being" at the school. By contrast, MSNBC and CNN both extensively reported on questions posed to Chelsea Clinton about the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
Reporting on Sen. John McCain's April 1 speech at Episcopal High School in Alexandria, Virginia, his alma mater, neither Andrea Mitchell nor Chris Jansing -- both MSNBC anchors -- noted what a post of MSNBC's First Read political blog called "[t]he boldest question" from the crowd. The First Read item, which was posted by Mark Murray and stated that it was "[f]rom NBC/N[ational] J[ournal]'s Adam Aigner-Treworgy," reported that a student named Katelyn Halldorson asked McCain: "I think judging by the amount of press representatives here and also by the integration of your previous political endorsements in your earlier personal narrative, we can see that this isn't completely absent -- er political motivation isn't completely absent. Yet we were told that this isn't a political event. So what exactly is your purpose in being here --- not that I don't appreciate the opportunity, but I'd just like some clarification." In fact, as of 9 a.m. ET on April 2, CNN and MSNBC had not noted Halldorson's question (excluding news briefs, which were not available on Nexis or CNN's transcript page and were not searched), despite giving significant coverage to students' questions to Chelsea Clinton about the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
According to Murray, McCain responded: " 'I knew I should have cut this thing off. This meeting is over,' McCain joked, before going into a long description of his biography tour and it's emphasis on 'the values and principles that guided me and I think a lot of this country in the past,' in addition to providing 'a vision of how I think we need to address the challenges of the future.' "
In contrast with Mitchell's and Jansing's failure to report the "bold question" asked of McCain -- giving rise to what Time.com Washington editor Ana Marie Cox referred to as McCain's "awkward moment" -- CNN and MSNBC anchors extensively covered and discussed the questions about Monica Lewinsky posed to Chelsea Clinton during a March 25 campaign event at Butler University and a March 31 speech at North Carolina State University. For example, during the April 1 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, CNN's Jack Cafferty reported:
CAFFERTY: For the second time in two weeks, Chelsea Clinton has been asked a question about the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Campaigning for her mother at North Carolina State University yesterday, a student brought up the scandal that led to the impeachment of her father, Bill Clinton.
The student said Chelsea should have answered the question because it happened while her father was president of the United States. But the former first daughter was having none of it, saying, quote, "It's none of your business. This is something that is very personal to my family. I'm sure there are things personal to your family that you don't think are anyone else's business, either," unquote.
Chelsea also said that she doesn't think people "should vote for or against my mother because of my father." The student yesterday defended asking Chelsea the question, saying, "I feel it is our business because he was president at the time."
In addition to Cafferty's statements during the 4 p.m. ET hour of The Situation Room, CNN reported on the questions posed to Chelsea Clinton during the 5 p.m. and 6 p.m. ET hours of The Situation Room as well as twice during the April 1 edition of American Morning. CNN also reported on the March 25 question posed to Chelsea Clinton on the March 25 editions of CNN's Anderson Cooper 360, Election Center, Larry King Live, and the 5 p.m. ET hour of The Situation Room as well as the March 26 editions of CNN's American Morning (6 a.m., 7 a.m., and 8 a.m. ET hours), the 9 a.m. and 11 a.m. ET hours of CNN Newsroom, and all three hours of The Situation Room. By contrast, CNN had not reported the question posed to McCain by the high school student as of 9 a.m. ET on April 2 (excluding news briefs, which were not searched) despite reports of his visit to his old high school on both the April 2 edition of American Morning and the April 1 edition of The Situation Room.
Likewise, while it reported extensively on questions posed to Chelsea, as of 9 a.m. ET on April 2, MSNBC had not reported on the question to McCain (excluding news briefs, which were not searched). For example, during the March 26 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, host Chris Matthews reported: "An exchange on the trail yesterday may have bummed that minor episode. It happened when a student at Ball State University in Indiana -- his name is Evan Strange -- asked Chelsea about her mother's handling of the Monica Lewinsky scandal back when her husband, Bill, was impeached, what you might say was quite an historic part of the Clinton presidency." Additionally, Dan Abrams had Strange on the March 27 edition of his MSNBC program Verdict to discuss the question he asked Chelsea Clinton. But neither Hardball nor Verdict has reported on the question to McCain despite the fact that both shows mentioned McCain's trip to the high school.
Further, as Media Matters for America has noted, MSNBC has devoted several segments to Sen. Barack Obama's bowling performance at a March 29 campaign stop at Pleasant Valley Lanes in Altoona, Pennsylvania, during Hardball and Morning Joe, but neither program has covered the question the student asked of McCain.
From an April 1 entry on MSNBC's First Read blog:
The boldest question came from junior Katelyn Halldorson who asked what exactly the senator was doing at her school: "I think judging by the amount of press representatives here and also by the integration of your previous political endorsements in your earlier personal narrative, we can see that this isn't completely absent -- er political motivation isn't completely absent. Yet we were told that this isn't a political event. So what exactly is your purpose in being here -- not that I don't appreciate the opportunity, but I'd just like some clarification."
"I knew I should have cut this thing off. This meeting is over," McCain joked, before going into a long description of his biography tour and it's emphasis on "the values and principles that guided me and I think a lot of this country in the past," in addition to providing "a vision of how I think we need to address the challenges of the future."
McCain concluded the visit to his alma mater by saying, "I hope that attendance here was not compulsory... I apologize if you were unwillingly in attendance here."
According to one EHS staff member, attendance was compulsory, although it was unclear what the punishment would have been if a student had refused to attend.
From the April 1 edition of CNN's The Situation Room:
CAFFERTY: For the second time in two weeks, Chelsea Clinton has been asked a question about the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Campaigning for her mother at North Carolina State University yesterday, a student brought up the scandal that led to the impeachment of her father, Bill Clinton.
The student said Chelsea should have answered the question because it happened while her father was president of the United States. But the former first daughter was having none of it, saying, quote, "It's none of your business. This is something that is very personal to my family. I'm sure there are things personal to your family that you don't think are anyone else's business, either," unquote.
Chelsea also said that she doesn't think people "should vote for or against my mother because of my father." The student yesterday defended asking Chelsea the question, saying, "I feel it is our business because he was president at the time."
Yesterday's encounter followed a similar one at Butler University last week, when a student asked the former first daughter whether the Lewinsky scandal had hurt her mother's reputation. And again, Chelsea responded with, "I don't think that's any of your business."
While campaigning for her mother, Chelsea has refused to answer questions from the press, as well.
So here's the question: Chelsea Clinton says the Lewinsky scandal is none of the public's business. Is she right? Go to cnn.com/caffertyfile and post a comment on my blog.
You know, there's a better answer for her. And she's probably going to keep getting this, John, as she keeps traveling around to college campuses. She could say, you know what? I don't want to talk about it, instead of "it's none of your business," which is a little confrontational. She just simply said, that's not something I'm here to talk about. Case dismissed.
JOHN KING (guest host): Hey, it's a great question. It's a fascinating dilemma to watch her. She has every right to draw the line where she wants to put it. And students, of course, it's a public campaign, and she's out there campaigning for her mother. They have every right to ask the question. So we look forward to the answers.
From the 1 p.m. ET hour of the April 1 edition of MSNBC Live:
MITCHELL: Thanks, Monica. Senator John McCain is not just practicing revisionist history. He is actually telling the truth as he describes his boarding school years. He's on day two of his tour across the country detailing his personal history. And apparently that involved a bad temper, a chip on his shoulder, and being labeled the worst freshman. Senator McCain did describe his fondest memories of one former teacher.
McCAIN [video clip]: I have never forgotten the confidence that Mr. Rabnel's praise and trust in me gave me, nor have I forgotten the man who praised me many years later when I came home from Vietnam. Mr. Rabnel was the only person outside of my family who I wanted to see urgently. I felt he was someone to whom I could explain what had happened to me and who would understand.
MITCHELL: NBC's Kelly O'Donnell covers the McCain campaign and is here with us now. Kelly, welcome back from the road.
O'DONNELL: It's so nice that his event today was right in the neighborhood.
MITCHELL: How about that, the fact that he actually went to Episcopal here in surburban Washington, so that brought him home. But he is trying to reintroduce himself to people, and he has to figure out a way to get some attention, first of all --
O'DONNELL: Exactly.
MITCHELL: -- and, you know, calibrate this campaign. One of the things that he's trying to deal with is this Obama charge that it's a 100-year war in Iraq, you know, the --
O'DONNELL: This has dogged him for months now, Andrea, as you know.
From the 2 p.m. ET hour of the April 1 edition of MSNBC Live:
JANSING: To politics now and Sen. John McCain, who would be the first to tell you he was no saint when he was in boarding school. Today, he returned to his alma mater and described how he was labeled the worst freshman of the year. He's on day two of his tour across the country detailing his personal history and, of course, trying to grab headlines away from the Democrats.
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JANSING: Senator John McCain hardly practicing revisionist history as he describes his rambunctious days in boarding school. Today, he stopped by his alma mater as part of his personal history tour, candidly describing how he was voted the worst freshman of his year. He also told students he never expected he'd ever run for president.
NBC's Kelly O'Donnell is covering the McCain campaign, joining us now from Washington, D.C. Kelly, it's good to see you. We just saw you here and in California, so you've remained very flight bound. What do we know about maybe Senator McCain that we didn't know before from this personal history tour?
O'DONNELL: Well, as you get an idea from the intro there, he is trying to set up some of his detractors, perhaps, by getting out the bad news first. That's one of the laws of politics: if something is a little less flattering, you be the one to tell it. Well, this is a very mild case of that kind of a theory.
He was at his high school today, took real pride in telling students that he had been rambunctious, that he had come to that school -- it's a boarding school in the Alexandria, Virginia, area, so we're talking about suburban Washington, D.C. -- and he had a chip on his shoulder, in part because he was, as you know, a son of a Navy admiral, and so he had moved around a great deal and had sort of a turbulent school life as a young man. So Mom and Dad said, "We're going to put you in a boarding school." So he arrived with that kind of a spirit.
And he wanted to, I think, reflect to these students that you can continue to improve over time and in some ways, by looking back at those high school years, it's a reflection of the person he is in public life today. You know, he's got a bit of a temper -- certainly a reputation for that -- known for being someone who will take on his opponents, and I think he was trying to draw that thread from the good old days at Episcopal High School to the candidate he is today.















High School vs. college
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Apples vs. oranges
Why do I have to (once again) correct the record? It's different when candidates go to high schools as opposed to college. High school events are REQUIRED. College events are optional.
It may be a technical issue, but I'm sure that high school events have to be "non partisan". And, let's be honest, wouldn't you just have loved to knock the snot out of the high school creep who asked the dumb question of McCain?
Go Obama! We love you!
"And, let's be honest, wouldn't you just have loved to knock the snot out of the high school creep who asked the dumb question of McCain?"
Uh... no? Why?
But that's you and the other rightwinger's answer to most everything, so it's understandable.
Once again, can you imagine if this question was asked to Clinton or Obama? The questioner would already be booked on The O'Reilly Factor and Hannity & Colmes.
"And, let's be honest, wouldn't you just have loved to knock the snot out of the high school creep who asked the dumb question of McCain?"
Answer--NO! But, it does say a lot about someone who dares put into writing a fantasy about beating a minor. After you knocked the snot out of him, would you water board him too?
I've seen this question to Chelsea discussed all over the TV and radio, described as too personal, too intrusive, and simply described as a difficult question. What doesn't get mentioned is that it was just an inane question( I'm referring to the one about HRC's credibility being damaged by the Monica Lewinsky thing).
WTF does it have to do with Hillary's credibility? Even a low level wingnut could have tied it into her alertness, or her ability to deal with being deceived.It still would have been a bullsh*t question, but it would have been some slightly polished BS.
I don't mean to pick on the questioner, I know he's just a kid, but I saw him soon after asking Chelsea the question on Fox, and he's really a grade-A weasel in training. He tried to explain that he was fishing for a very positive response about Hillary's strength, but I don't even think the Fox bobbleheads were buying his crap.
In contrast, McCain handled a pretty tame and relevant question by joking into a backpedal. A comparable question would have been "Senator McCain, it's documented that you've surrendered to the enemy in a time of war in the past. Do you think this hurts your credibility as a potential Commander-in-Chief?"
Any of you college kids scheduled for a Gramps McCain speech, feel free to use that one. I'll bet you'll get on Fox News too, although you may not be treated as nicely as the kid asking a woman about her dad's BJ.
A comparable question would have been "Senator McCain, it's documented that you've surrendered to the enemy in a time of war in the past. Do you think this hurts your credibility as a potential Commander-in-Chief?"
Funny you bring this up, I was thinking a while ago that this is the EXACT angle the rightwingers would choose to attack someone like McCain if he was a Democrat, like they attacked Kerry's military record. They would claim that him being captured was a sign of weakness and then probably go on to make all sorts of claims about his time in captivity (probably how it really wasn't THAT hard, that he did it to further a future career or whatever). For the record, I do NOT believe any of that, but that's how rightwingers would frame it if McCain was a Democrat.
But if Democrats did it to McCain, the outrage against them in the media would be MASSIVE. Funny how that works.
Fawlty,
It must be fun making up right wing questions and the responses. :-)
Wow...a new low from the supposed Col.
After years as a pow....would love to see how you would have responded. Reading remarks like yours make me more sure than ever the McCain will win the election.
The focus was clear. You said " A comparable question would have been "Senator McCain, it's documented that you've surrendered to the enemy in a time of war in the past. Do you think this hurts your credibility as a potential Commander-in-Chief?"
That kind of crap is a new low, even for people like you who thrive on the bottom, and it makes me more and more convinced that McCain will win this election. Comments like yours belong in the RANDI RHODES hall of fame.
"And, let's be honest, wouldn't you just have loved to knock the snot out of the high school creep who asked the dumb question of McCain?"
Why?
No, I'd like to knock the s**t out of the Republican operative punks who are harassing Chelsea. They must be practicing for work as O'Reilly interns (male.)
I'll remember that the next time your ranting on about the Hilary hating hordes or someone is talking about how civil the Clinton supporters at MMFA as opposed to the nasty Obama supporters.
Lynn gathers ammunition for the next onslaught of the Obama vs Clinton Uncivil War at MMFA ;-)
Hey Lynn,
I caught Obama on Matthews Hardball College Tour last night & I gotta say I was impressed. For one thing, Matthews didn't turn into a gushing drooling love sick idiot...
Also, Obama came across as someone reasonable, extremely intelligent & authentic. And of course personable & charming ;-)
I really like the guy & am feeling more & more comfortable with the idea of him in the Oval Office.
Jeter,
Yeah, he a charming fellow. But do you agree with his positions on the issues?
AA,
To be honest I don't agree with McCain, Clinton or Obama on a variety of issues...so I'm just looking for some kind of comfort zone. I figured I could live with McCain or Clinton as President, but I wasn't sure about Obama. He seemed like just a lot of pretty rhetoric, no substance. But having watched this interview I was like, well ok, I can live with this guy too.
Quite frankly none of the 3 would have been my choice, but seeing it will be one of the 3 that ends up in the Oval Office, you gotta at least try to accept it.
Translated: I don't want to think damn I have to move to Canada...no wait I don't want to go to Canada. How about Aruba? Or Costa Rica? Yeah I could do that ;-)
I'd like to knock the s**t out of the Republican operative punks who are harassing Chelsea.
Aw come on Carl how do you know it was Republican operative punks & not Obama operative punks? I mean that's just as feasible isn't it? In fact it makes more sense seeing a great majority of kids are Obama supporters.
Actually I don't think the kid was an any groups operative punk at all. Probably just a punk who thought it would be cool to embarrass Chelsea, or did it on a dare.
I think this type of question is just an example of the lack of respect kids have these days.
Could you see anyone years ago asking Caroline Kennedy what it was like to have a philandering Dad?
On the contrary, I think it is a relevant question. After all her father was impeached because of it. Most college kids want to know how Chelsea, as their child, feels about this very, very public scandal.
If Chelsea ever chose to write about it, she'd undoubtedly get millions for her account. Simply because she says, "It's none of your business" does not make it any less relevant.
I am so mad at Wright now for providing this kind of ammunition to attack Obama but I believe Obama is handling it fairly well.
Yeah Lynn, I agree Wright was a stumbling block for sure but Obama handled it best as he could. Wright's ranting had left me thinking less of Obama because he didn't appear to have the good judgment to leave the church & distance himself from Reverend Wright before it became news.
However a poster named DarkMass left a link on another thread that has given me a different perspective on Wright. I've left it here for you in case you haven't read it.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0326trinitymar26,0,2414760.story
Once again, you first.
"And let's be honest"?
Once again, you first.
There's no such thing as an honest conservative. If they took an honest look at the facts and the truth, they wouldn't be conservatives.
No such thing as an honest Conservative?
Thanks..
Geez Wiz sometimes you piss me off.
J,
You have more honesty in your conservative little finger than........never mind.
;)
Hey thanks Tommy :-)
But you know the Libs don't like it when we Conservatives say anything complimentary to one another. Only Libs are allowed to high five each other ;-)
I know J,
And get some flowers for our room next time, will ya?
wz,
Will you agree that most liberals are also dishonest?
And, let's be honest, wouldn't you just have loved to knock the snot out of the high school creep who asked the dumb question of McCain?
I think the kid should be commended for asking a question that needed to be asked. And if your first reaction to this is to think of striking a kid, I hope you don't have any children of your own - for their sake.
It was a good question. But in true politician fashion, after making a joke about it, never actually answered it. He should of said "That was a great question. My visit here is purely political. If you can't see that, you are probably getting poor grades in your political science class. If you already know it to be true, I may have an opening on my campaign election staff for you."
Hahaha... Great answer.
When reading the question, I thought the same thing. It is obvious that everything McCain does is political. It was not political in the sense that McCain talked the kids about his experience there rather than his typical stump speech, so maybe that is the difference. Obviously the kids can't yet vote.
I don't fault the kid for asking it. I thought it was a good question. I am disapointed that we don't see MMFA trying to distill McCain's answer. That missing part of this thread is suspicious in my mind.
Even though I think it was an honest question, the answer, as long as it was answered, (and it must have been rather dull since MMFA didn't bother to show us the answer,) didn't matter. The mainstream media recognized that this question was not a story and moved on. Just because some blogger called it the 'boldest question' does not really make it that bold.
MMFA trying to show that this is right wing bias by equating it to Chelsea's refusal to answer the Lewinsky question is, in my mind, a very weak comparison.
As an aside, I do believe Chelsea has the right to not answer the question, but to say it is none of your business is the worst possible answer. It only invites others to repeat the question.
"Even though I think it was an honest question, the answer, as long as it was answered, (and it must have been rather dull since MMFA didn't bother to show us the answer,) didn't matter."
But he didn't answer. He made a lame joke and left it at that.
DB,
Even MMFA acknowledges that McCain went on after his joke. I interpreted that as McCain's answer.
MMFA- According to Murray, McCain responded: " 'I knew I should have cut this thing off. This meeting is over,' McCain joked, before going into a long description of his biography tour and it's emphasis on 'the values and principles that guided me and I think a lot of this country in the past,' in addition to providing 'a vision of how I think we need to address the challenges of the future.' "
That sounds like an answer to me.
That sounds like an answer to me. - anotheramerican
To what imaginary question?
Actually, I thought McCain handled the question superbly from a neocon perspective. As you say, of course it is political. Also as you say, everyone with two brain cells knows this. But as usual, politicians must fall back upon newsspeak to mask the agenda in gentler terms. This is just how politics works, especially neoconservative politicans. However, the jokes were the answer. By pointing out this facade, the student called McCain on an obvious issue. By answering with jokes (which essentially said "You're right, but let me evade the question and restate a DIFFERENT obviousness."), McCain was able to deftly reapply the make-up and re-state the propaganda without looking like a hypocrite. (Compare with the option, "Of course this isn't political. It is nothing more than a biography tour.") Note: Bush had his questions pre-selected. I think this reflects relatively positively on McCain. Notice the word relative. Also notice I had no regard for Bush immediately after he came into power and began micro-managing previously non-political governmental scientific organizations.
By the way, The Daily Show did cover this last night.
From the mouths of babes ..huh, I want send that kid $25
Ussually it seems msnbc is a pretty straight shooter, unlike fox, cnn, and hnn. I'm not convinced it's anything more than an over sight. If msnbc becomes a GOP commercial like the others I'll just get rid of cable altogether.
I am amazed on a daily basis at the "stuff" that comes out of McCain mouth. At least Media Matters reports it. Thanks MM!
I am amazed on a daily basis at the "stuff" that comes out of McCain mouth.
Me, too. Is this a sign of the onset of Alzheimer's?????
Barack for President '08!