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CQ's Allen baselessly claimed that McCain is "good for Democrats on ... deficit reduction perhaps, also on ethics issues"*

April 03, 2008 6:11 pm ET

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On the March 31 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, Congressional Quarterly reporter Jonathan Allen claimed that Sen. John McCain is "good for Democrats on climate change, on deficit reduction perhaps," and "also on ethics issues." Allen did not elaborate on how McCain is "good for Democrats ... on deficit reduction," given his support for tax cuts and the war in Iraq. Nor did Allen expand on his claim that McCain is "good for Democrats ... on ethics issues," given his close ties to lobbyists, the Federal Election Commission chairman's charge that McCain is currently violating spending limits, McCain's signed loan agreement last year that could have obligated him to stay in the race whether or not he had any chance of winning, in order to obtain public funds to repay the loan, and his long list of falsehoods and flip-flops.

Hardball host Chris Matthews asked during the Hardball segment: "Can John McCain offer himself as a third alternative here, not to the current policies, but to -- and not to the left policies, which he could portray the Democrats as having, but something different down the middle?" Allen replied that McCain is "going to try to find a good point between George Bush and whoever the Democratic nominee is and settle right there, and pin the Democrat to the left." Shortly thereafter, Michelle Bernard, president and CEO of Independent Women's Forum, stated: "He is a centrist." However, as Media Matters has repeatedly noted, McCain has asserted that he is "proud to be a conservative," and that his "record in public office taken as a whole is the record of a mainstream conservative."

Matthews also claimed that McCain suggested "we should go to war with alliances, strong alliances, not going it alone like President Bush," but did not note McCain's highly critical statements about France, Germany, and Belgium during the run-up to invasion of Iraq, including saying that the French "remind me of an aging movie actress in the 1940s who's still trying to dine out on her looks, but doesn't have the face for it."

From the March 31 edition of MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews:

MATTHEWS: I just think if you're going for the Knights of Columbus vote, you ought to get your bowling down a little better than that. Let me ask you about John McCain. I had a whiff of a theory today -- and I want to try it by all three -- that John McCain could win the general election, not by defending the last eight years of economic policy or the war in Iraq as it's been fought, but triangulating the way that Bill Clinton once did, in the case of -- in his case saying, we should go to war with alliances, strong alliances, not going it alone like President Bush, that we need a different economic policy.

Could he, Howard, triangulate this campaign and win a state like Pennsylvania? I'm talking John McCain.

HOWARD FINEMAN (Newsweek senior Washington correspondent): No, I understand, and I totally agree with you, Chris. That foreign policy speech he gave was a mirror image on the right of a Clinton triangulation on the left. That's exactly what it was. He said, "Wait a minute, I'm McCain, but I'm not a warmonger. You know, I want to do the alliances. I want to adopt the Democratic view of the need for diplomacy and alliances, and even the one that predated George W. Bush."

MATTHEWS: OK.

FINEMAN: "I'm with Bush on the war, but only the war."

MATTHEWS: Let me ask the same question of Jonathan. Can he triangulate? Can John McCain offer himself as a third alternative here, not to the current policies, but to -- and not to the left policies, which he could portray the Democrats as having, but something different down the middle?

ALLEN: John McCain's the nightmare candidate for Democrats 'cause he can talk to Democrats like a Democrat, and that's exactly what he's going to do on any issue he thinks that it benefits him. He's good for Democrats on climate change, on deficit reduction perhaps, also on ethics issues, and that's what he's going to do in this campaign. He's going to try to find a good point between George Bush and whoever the Democratic nominee is and settle right there, and pin the Democrat to the left.

MATTHEWS: And he's going to be very strong for Israel, I think, Michelle, too. I think he's going to look where he sees weakness on the other side; he's going to go for it. What do you think about his triangulation abilities?

BERNARD: I think his abilities to do this are excellent. He is a centrist. He is -- I agree with everyone speaking tonight. He is the Democrats' worst nightmare, particularly if the general election turns out to be one of Senator McCain versus Barack Obama. They're going after the same voters. They're going after moderate Republicans. They're going after independents. They're going after voters who are just slightly right of center and slightly left of center, and it's going to be a very rancorous debate if it's between the two of them.

FINEMAN: But bowling notwithstanding, if Barack is the nominee, he has some triangulation abilities, as well, that have not yet quite been tested. We'll see.

MATTHEWS: And I wouldn't want to have to defend a recession. I wouldn't want to have to defend a 100-year occupation in Iraq --

FINEMAN: Right. Exactly.

MATTHEWS: -- even if it was reportedly to be peaceful. Anyway, thank you, Michelle Bernard. Welcome back.

BERNARD: Thank you.

MATTHEWS: And Howard Fineman, welcome back.

FINEMAN: Thank you.

MATTHEWS: I miss you both. And I've missed Howard a long time, he's my favorite. Anyway, Jonathan Allen, thank you, sir, for joining us.

*Correction: This item originally critiqued Howard Fineman's comment that Sen. John McCain suggested, "I'm with Bush on the war, but only the war" in addition to Jonathan Allen's comments. However, it was brought to our attention that the context indicates that rather than referring to McCain's record in general in comparison to President Bush's, Fineman made the comment in reference to McCain's rhetoric about foreign policy. Therefore, noting McCain's commonalities with Bush on a number of issues unrelated to foreign policy does not rebut Fineman's assertion; we have removed that part of the item. We regret the error and appreciate having it brought to our attention.
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    • Author by zamfir273114 (April 03, 2008 6:13 pm ET)
         
      My gut feeling is that anyone who actually votes for McCain either hates black people (Obama) or hates women (Clinton). There is no rational reason why someone would vote for McCain. The man is a nothing.
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      • Author by steeve (April 03, 2008 6:39 pm ET)
           

        There's one other reason.  The media told you to.

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      • Author by MoonbatYouBet (April 03, 2008 7:07 pm ET)
           
        That's just ridiculous.  There's all kinds of reasons people might vote for McCain that don't involve racism or sexism and saying that there aren't just plays right into the hands of those who love to accuse Democrats and liberals of being divisive, playing identity politics or being too politically correct.  I don't happen to think there a lot of good reasons to vote for McCain but I can easily think of a pretty long list that a lot of Bush voters would.  Strangely enough a lot of those reasoins are the conservative misinformation that this sitetries to fight.
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        • Author by dbeden4153 (April 03, 2008 7:15 pm ET)
             
          Moonbat, don't listen to zamfir.  Most of his posts aren't in left field, they're foul balls.
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      • Author by jawill11 (April 03, 2008 9:23 pm ET)
           
        O'Reilley, is that you?  Trying to plant another comment for "evidence", I see.  
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      • Author by fawltylogic (April 03, 2008 9:34 pm ET)
           
        That's just dumb. Whatever you might think of McCain's policies, at least he's a real politician (unlike the current President), and surely gets lots of votes based on other than prejudiced dislike of the two Democratic candidates.
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        • Author by dunman1 (April 04, 2008 1:22 pm ET)
             
          If he was a real politician he would have beat Bush back in 2000
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        • Author by dunman1 (April 04, 2008 1:23 pm ET)
             
          If he was a real politician he would have beat Bush back in 2000
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    • Author by cArn (April 03, 2008 9:01 pm ET)
         
      I don't know whether I should be beating my chest with pride or shaking my head in despair that these people limit the "need for diplomacy and alliances" as strictly a liberal\Democratic platform. IT SHOULD BE AN AMERICAN PLATFORM not some partisan principle: exhaust all diplomatic options before even thinking of bombing other nations. No wonder Republicans hate such a foreign policy, us Democrats invented it. :D
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 04, 2008 12:35 am ET)
           

        A little part of me feels sorry for Grampa's advisors. Imagine running down the list of Bush failures, and trying to campaign as Bush's successor in Bush's party by studying the polls and trying to figure out which failures are positives with the base, and which are negatives.

        Those speechwriters must need a few good stiff drinks before deciding to distance the guy from some Bush policies, while being forced to insist that they're still gung-ho on the war.

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    • Author by Dem02020 (April 04, 2008 9:06 am ET)
         

      FINEMAN: He [John McCain] said [in his March 26 foreign policy speech]... "I'm with Bush on the war, but only the war."

      That single National Policy opinion of John McCain's (as expressed by this guy fineman, without authorization I'm sure) is an absolute certain lock guarentee at finishing no better than second place in the general election this November... maybe third place, if Ralph Nader is on the ballot, and refrains from stating that he also is "with Bush on the war".

      Regardless of how this thing the "media" portrays the present State of our Union, it is hands down without a doubt the single most extraordinary compelling fact about our Union, that we have many more than 100,00 U.S. Troops presently occupying the nation of Iraq.

      To not recognize the preeminence of that fact, in weighing the present State of our Union, is as much as to say you are a child or a fool or an idiot in regard to understanding, or else a member of the "media", what's the difference...

      Were the unemployment rate to be doubled what it is now (instead of holding remarkably steady at about 5% nationally), or even tripled, it would still not budge the preeminent place in National Policy, of U.S. Troops occupying a nation that borders Iran...

      Were inflation to run away with prices at a double digit rate (instead of being found hardly at all, outside of the price of gasoline and oil), even at a rate of 20% annually, it would still pale compared to so many of our Sons and Daughters in the U.S. Armed Forces, occupying a Middle Eastern country on the border with Syria, and saudi arabia and Kuwait, and Turkey...

      And the American People account this dangerous State of our Union, and the presence of so many U.S. Troops as an occupying force in Iraq, to a man whom they consider as not only the most incompetent President and Commander in Chief the U.S. has ever had, but also as the most hated man, hated by the American People, in those Offices:

      George W. Bush

       

      And so we have this guy fineman, as an unofficial spokesman for McCain, putting these words in his mouth:

      "I'm with Bush on the war, but only the war."

      Did I say such a National Policy opinion as that, is a guarentee of no better than second place in the general election this fall... no better than third place even, to Ralph Nader?

      I'd say also, that in most American towns and cities today, you couldn't get elected Dog Catcher, saying:

      "I'm with Bush on the war, but only the war."

       

       

       

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