On Hannity & Colmes, Coulter again made Obama-Hitler comparison, said Clinton "would enjoy torturing" detainees
SUMMARY: On Hannity & Colmes, Ann Coulter stated of Sen. Barack Obama: "He's a dime store Mein Kampf." Co-host Alan Colmes then asked if Obama "is a two-bit Hitler," to which Coulter responded, "[Y]es." Coulter also said of Sen. Hillary Clinton: "She's not obsessed with waterboarding and stopping waterboarding, and given the glint in her eye, I think she'd like torturing them."
During the April 3 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, conservative pundit Ann Coulter stated of Sen. Barack Obama: "He's a dime store Mein Kampf." Co-host Alan Colmes then asked if Obama "is a two-bit Hitler," to which Coulter responded, "[Y]es." Colmes continued: "We should be as wary of Obama as they should have been of Hitler in Nazi Germany?" Coulter responded: "If only people had read Mein Kampf." Earlier in the segment, citing her April 2 syndicated column, Coulter stated that Sen. John McCain "may end up being the luckiest man in the world, running against this absolute racist Obama, as noted in my column."
As Media Matters for America noted, in her April 2 column Coulter wrote of Sen. Barack Obama's 1995 memoir, Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance: "Has anybody read this book? Inasmuch as the book reveals Obama to be a flabbergasting lunatic, I gather the answer is no. Obama is about to be our next president: You might want to take a peek. If only people had read 'Mein Kampf' ..." Mein Kampf, or "My Struggle" as translated from German, is the 1925 autobiography of Adolf Hitler and an exposition on National Socialist political theory, the ideological foundation of the Nazi Party.
Other conservative pundits have made Hitler references when talking about Obama. As Media Matters noted, on the February 11 broadcast of Fox News Radio's Tom Sullivan Show, host Tom Sullivan aired what he called a "side-by side comparison" of a Hitler speech and an Obama speech. On the February 22 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, National Review Online editor-at-large Jonah Goldberg compared Obama and former President Franklin Delano Roosevelt to Hitler.
Additionally, during Hannity & Colmes, Coulter asserted of Sen. Hillary Clinton: "She's not obsessed with waterboarding and stopping waterboarding, and given the glint in her eye, I think she'd like torturing them. Have you seen that woman give a speech? I think she would enjoy torturing them at Guantánamo." Coulter previously claimed on the February 8 edition of NBC's Today that Clinton "has not hysterically denounced waterboarding." In fact, Clinton said she opposed Alberto Gonzales' 2005 nomination as attorney general because "[m]emos prepared under his direction that same year recommended official authorization of cruel interrogation methods including: waterboarding, feigned suffocation, and sleep deprivation." Further, Clinton stated that she opposed Michael Mukasey's 2007 nomination to succeed Gonzales as attorney general because "Judge Mukasey's failure to clarify his answers and categorically oppose the unacceptable interrogation techniques employed by this Administration leaves me no choice but to oppose his nomination."
From the April 3 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
SEAN HANNITY (co-host): But I will bet you any amount of money, any bet, any dinner, any place, anywhere, restaurant of your choice, with any bottle of wine you want --
COULTER: -- that I won't vote for her?
HANNITY: You won't vote for a Democrat. You will never pull the lever this election year for a Democrat.
COULTER: Well, I don't want to give either of them a mandate, so I will probably write in Ronald Reagan.
HANNITY: Oh, come on.
COULTER: But I'm not going to vote for a Democrat, so I won't vote for John McCain.
JOHN CARLSON (radio talk show host): I didn't think it was congenitally possible for Ann Coulter to pull the lever for a Democrat.
HANNITY: Right.
CARLSON: You're not really going to vote for Hillary.
HANNITY: No.
COULTER: If -- as I said, and I haven't --
HANNITY: She won't.
COULTER: -- changed my mind, if the election were close and it's between Hillary and McCain, I think Hillary would be better on national security.
HANNITY: She's not -- she doesn't mean it. I'm telling -- I know she would never do it. Never.
COLMES: She's lying?
[crosstalk]
CARLSON: Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
COLMES: Are you calling her a liar?
HANNITY: No, she's not lying; she's [unintelligible] --
COLMES: Let me defend you --
CARLSON: Why would Hillary -- why would Hillary protect America better than John McCain?
COULTER: Do you really want me to go through this again on Fox airwaves?
HANNITY: Answer this.
COULTER: 'Cause they're getting a little testy with me for making the case.
CARLSON: No, no. Who do you think the soldiers in Iraq would rather to see as their commander and chief?
COULTER: No, I understand we have spent 10 years building up a hatred for the Clintons. And frankly, when I endorsed her, I was secretly pleased that it seemed to kill her nomination.
However, she's not obsessed with being called a maverick by The New York Times, like -- oh, who could I think of? Yes, John McCain. She's not obsessed with waterboarding and stopping waterboarding, and given the glint in her eye, I think she'd like torturing them. Have you seen that woman give a speech? I think she would enjoy torturing them at Guantánamo.
CARLSON: They play those at Gitmo.
COULTER: She doesn't run around saying we've got to shut down Guantánamo. So I think I've just made the case. What do you have to say?
[...]
COULTER: I think the point is, the most important question right now is -- is who it is John McCain chooses as his vice president. Because he may end up being the luckiest man in the world, running against this absolute racist Obama, as noted in my column --
[crosstalk]
COLMES: Wait, wait a minute, wait a minute. Why are you calling him a racist? Why are you calling him a racist?
COULTER: -- or Hillary Clinton, who -- I mean, he could -- he could be the luckiest man in the world, liberal Republican --
COLMES: Why are you calling him a racist?
COULTER: Because we -- the topic we were supposed to be talking about in this segment, Sean -- my column this week. I'm the only person in America who has read Obama's autobiography --
COLMES: You know, as a matter of fact --
COULTER: -- and all he has a racial hair-trigger, he's a complete loon. All he talks about is constantly being offended. And Mr. Unity attacks Sean Hannity and me.
COLMES: All right, you said in your piece --
[crosstalk]
COULTER: -- and now we're offended.
HANNITY: Me and you in the same sentence --
COLMES: Hold on, we only have a second left. You said, if only -- you might want to take a peek at Obama and what he writes -- "if only people had read 'Mein Kampf' ... "
COULTER: Yeah.
COLMES: So in other words, he would be as dangerous as Hitler?
COULTER: No. He's a dimestore Mein Kampf.
COLMES: Oh, he's a two-bit Hitler?
COULTER: But yes. It is absolute racialist. If you read Mein Kampf --
COLMES: I see.
COULTER: -- it's all about his Germanic heritage. And this is -- OK, go read it. If you don't believe me --
COLMES: All right, I see.
COULTER: -- you want to read the CliffsNotes version in my column.
COLMES: We should be as wary of Obama as they should have been of Hitler in Nazi Germany?
COULTER: If only people had read Mein Kampf.
COLMES: I just want to get you on the record. We will come right back.
"These wild-eyed white supremacists are losing it. Watching them unravel is hilarious. ROFLMAO Faced with the inevitability of losing white rule to the first Black President, Coulter is trying to label Obama a despised white supremacist. What a stupid biatch."
Especially when you note the fact that Ol' Liar Ann is a racist white supremacist herself, ANd that Ol' Liar Ann has her columns carried on white supremacist web pages.
ONE MORE THING: It was mentioned on black talk radio that Ol' Liar Ann once said that MLK deserved to be assassinated.
Go on, Ann. Call Obama a "spearchucker" or "jungle bunny."
You know you want to.
Yeah & Randi Rhodes called Ferraro & Clinton "whores"
Where's that thread MMFA?
Coulter is a comedy act. A bad one.
Randi Rhodes never made her comments on TV or radio.
I think her words were over the top, but frankly, no more than a Sarah Silverman show.
Absolutely not! Randi didn't make her comments on the radio, AND her slams against Ferraro being "David Duke in drag" were correct, as were her attacks on Hillary. This is contrary to the UNJUSTIFIED insults that the right wing throws at Hillary.
Mike Malloy has called Ferraro, Hillary, and many other Republicans, Bush included, and their supporters, much worse things, for the record.
Comparing Rhodes to bag 'o bones Coulter is a false equivalency. Randi does try to get her facts straight; she has actual passion about what is happening to our country instead of playing a gotcha game for money.
That said, it does not improve our country and promote positive progressive values to be making degrading, nasty comments about anyone else. There is a way to point out the politician's foibles without just blasting negativity in their direction. I haven't listened to Randi lately because of it, and I'm not even a Clinton supporter.
Not only that, when Randi makes a mistake, she clarifies it ASAP. Have you ever seen or heard Ann The Man acknowledge a mistake?
No, wait - Ann The man IS a mistake.....
"this absolute racist Obama"
So, Jeter, good comedy or bad, how was this intended to be funny?
I said a BAD comedy act aka not funny.
And that concludes our conversation Gov. Your why? why? why? 8year old kid act wears thin after awhile....
Gov, Ann Coulter tries to be funny, so she is a "comedy act"
Whether we think that A hole is funny is another story.
George Carlin is probably smart enough to get a law degree. I doubt Ms. Coulter is smart enough to be a comedian.
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Ol' Liar Ann's racist white supremacist "comedy" is only regarded as being "comedy" or as being "funny" at the local KKK rally or at the local Aryan Nations meeting.
Let's see Ann appear on Black Talk Radio, either XM 169/THE POWER, or on Chicago's Black Talk Radio Station http://www.wvon.com and repeat her "joke". I'm sure that WVON-AM 1690's Clifford Kelley, Dorothy Tillman, Perri Small, and Roland S. Martin, and THE POWER's Joe Madison and Warren Ballantine, and their respective black talk radio audiences, would all LOVE to verbally barbecue Coulter's racist white supremacist you-know-what like a steak!
There there, Jeter. I know you want to secretly have sex with Randy, but the plain ol' fact is she was suspended indefinitely for that. Something you will never see happen when a conservative does it...
And what's with the Nazi thing? Call them one, they cry like babies...
When they fire her like they did to Imus, get back to me.
Sex with Rhodes? Oh yuck. That's not funny Snoop!
Here's why MMFA doesn't have a thread about Rhodes:
she's not a conservative.
They're dedicated to conservative misbehavior, not liberal. There's plenty of other places to read about her.
Please. Stop. Snoop.
You're gonna give me nightmares!
Imus called college women "nappy headed blank. You are right that as horrible but calling a former VP candidate and former First lady a whore is also disgusting and she should be fired.
Rhodes is as bad as Coulter. They are both scum of the earth.
I don't know about that.
But her Hillary-hatred had been making her unlistenable over the last few months. There must have been lots of previous complaints-- many good progressives like the Clintons. This was the last straw.
Wait a minute...
Rhodes was suspended, and still is. It looks like she might get the boot. Imus, wasn't suspended, and didn't get fired until his sponsors started jumping ship, and oh look. He has another show that's just as stupid as his other one.
Now, if you're that incensed about what Rhodes said (not on her show by the way, which is MUCH different than what Imus did, and if you can't see the difference, sorry about that), write her station. Write her employer. Writer her sponsors. Tell them that they shouldn't be represented by people such as Rhodes.
Now, most conservatives (not you Jeter, but others) would be more than happy to see Rhodes call Clinton a whore, I mean, they've been doing that, and worse for years.
The difference is Imus violated the public trust by taking aim at disproportionately powerless private citizens.
Randi went after two public personatlities who possess ample resources to respond and exact punishment.
While Randi went off the deep end, she did pick a fair fight.
There there, Jeter. I know you want to secretly have sex with Randy, but the plain ol' fact is she was suspended indefinitely for that. Something you will never see happen when a conservative does it... And what's with the Nazi thing? Call them one, they cry like babies... - snoopy
Snoopy, Ol Liar Ann and 'the lying right wing fascist racist conservatives use Nazi and Hitler references all the time, and the Anti-Defamation Legue, the American Jewish Congress, among other right wing conservative Jewish groups, either say nothing against them and/or attack those people or groups who do condemn their comments. They may even be complicit on Ol' Liar Ann and the other conservatives using these Nazi references, for they may be e-mailing Coulter and the other conservatives ideas on what inflammatory Nazi references to use in their fascist racist white supremacist talking points.
MMFA is dedicated to conservative bias. That's why Rhodes isn't mentioned here.
I'm sure there are Randi Rhodes threads a-plenty at cybersewers line Free RepubliKKK, lucianne.com, and hannity.com.....
I think Coulter is simply a shock jock playing a "role", a "character" whom the wacko righties ignorantly take seriously.
She has found a lucrative niche for what would be considered comedy in any sane situation and is obviously content to mine her character's opportunity for the riches it brings her.
She appeals to the incurious, the basically uneducated, the science illiterate right wing religious "new earth" psychotics, the nutcases - the conned-servatives, whose brain function capabilities have obviously never evolved past the R Complex stage of the the reptilian brain (the R-Complex can override the more rational function of the brain and result in unpredictable, primitive behavior in even the most sentient of creatures, humans included.) who take her ludicrous machinations seriously, even though I doubt she herself does, so she panders to their base ignorance to reap the benefit of a significant amount of cash.
Why is there no Randi post, Jeter?
Because this whole site is only about the media, and she didn't make those comments on air. I've never seen MMFA cover anything that wasn't broadcast or published, even if done by a famous media person.
Hey cyst CONSERVATIVE mis-information or the smear of any Liberal can come out of anyones mouth.
It's the MESSAGE not the messenger.
I'm surprised your mommie didn't tell you.
Breaking: Ann Coulter Going Door to Door trying to Shock People
Stung by flagging book sales, conservative pundit Ann Coulter has embarked on a door to door tour of suburbia in a desperate, last ditch effort to shock and offend average Americans.
The tour's "Obama is a Nazi" theme, and her remarkably similar "Obama is a racist" theme were both met with widespread indifference.
It was taken from here: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28771
COULTER: No, I understand we have spent 10 years building up a hatred for the Clintons. And frankly, when I endorsed her, I was secretly pleased that it seemed to kill her nomination.
:D She actually thinks that her "endorsement" of Clinton had ANY impact whatsoever?
MMFA also cited a KO transcript last week in another misinformation article.
Olbermann has been losing much good will lately--as well as ratings. Many previously devoted listeners can't watch him any more. There has been a definite backlash.
If Keith Olbermann is has lost some viewers, it may be in part due to Comcast's moving MSNBC to Digital service. Many of us don't want to put any more money in the hands of Comcast than we already do.
I have been saying that for almost a year, and his hate toward Hillary Clinton showed big time this past month.
MMFA did get some digs in at Olbermann recently over his part in giving the "Tonya Harding Option" credence.
However, they're going to have to do more than that to restore my belief that they are not allied with Olbermann, since they've had a few WPITW items since the Special Comment on Clinton.
I don't want to.
Olbermann did not use the word "vocabulary". He said Ferraro "sounds like David Duke".
If any news personality said tomorrow that Obama "sounds like Hitler", all hell would break lose in the progressive side, and with good reason.
I have not personally read Obama's book - so I'm going to withhold judgement on Coulter's comments.
As an Obama supporter I do really want to give him the benefit of the doubt. But it is important to know all the facts before commenting.
Go Obama!
Trying to see how far you can make logic
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Oops, you broke it.
Why not compare Obama to Hitler? He hangs out with racists; he uses the racial card as often as HRC uses the gender card (if not more so) and like Hitler, he is (in a practical sense) a Nazi.
A more apt comparison to Hitler/The Nazis would be Bush/The Neocons but I'm not going to go there.
Solon;
Your debating skills are just awesome (or is that your name-calling skills?)
I've never made any comments about Hitler vis-a-vis Obama here or anywhere else. So, you are either just a knee jerk liar, or perhaps just a jerk. Why don't you just go back into the nursery and let us adults talk?
Facts are stubborn things. Hitler was a socialist. Obama is a socialist. National Socialism is a leftist political position, just to the right of international socialism, commonly called communism. Obama is apparently not willing to identify as an international socialist (though he might very well be one - who knows?). But he is without a doubt a socialist. And if he wants to enact a greater socialist state in the United States - that equates to national socialism.
For too long the Liberal left (which is not liberal at all in the classical sense of that term), has pretended that the horrors of Fascism and Nazism were products of the 'right.' But that is a really false view of reality. The Nazis were 'right' of the Communists, but 'left' of anyone else. The Nazis put Jews and Gypsies and Christians and intellectuals and and communists in concentration camps. But not socialists of the national ilk. Those were the guys wearing the jackboots. Socialism of either kind is no friend of freedom, nor democracy nor human dignity.
The politics and policies of the present-day 'left' are socialistic to the extreme, and are contrary to the spirit and fundamental vision that birthed the United States. The cry of the American Revolution was,"Life, Liberty, Property." The present Democratic party values none of those.
edrossinoelwein9669
BRAVO. Well argued and laid out and an excellent smackdown of a poster who almost never cites any evidence to support the positions he holds.
I was thinking to myself that edrossinoleo was the stoopidest poster ever. Then came Noleftturns, who couldn't even come up with the ass-backwards BS to post, but was completely impressed by ed's hallucinations enough to offer up a "Bravo"..
Sorry, edross, you get the silver medal in the dittobot olympics.
Hitler was a socialist?
No- Hitler was a fascist, not a socialist in any sense of the word.
Fascism = far right wing, a combination of power of industry, religion and government.
Socialism = left wing
Facts are stubborn things. Hitler was a socialist. Obama is a socialist.
Hitler was a right wing authoritarian who gained ultimate power after blaming the leftists (communists and liberals - groups he thought were overran by Jews) for the Reichstags Fire.
National Socialism is a leftist political position, just to the right of international socialism, commonly called communism.
I would describe it as a right wing authoritarian movement because they were oppose to liberal democracy, socialism, communism, liberalism and in some respects conservatism.
Obama is apparently not willing to identify as an international socialist (though he might very well be one - who knows?).
How does your "Obama is socialist" conspiracy theory go?
But he is without a doubt a socialist.
Define socialism.
And if he wants to enact a greater socialist state in the United States - that equates to national socialism.
Socialist equals right wing authoritarian?
For too long the Liberal left (which is not liberal at all in the classical sense of that term), has pretended that the horrors of Fascism and Nazism were products of the 'right.'
Because they are.
The Nazis were 'right' of the Communists, but 'left' of anyone else.
No, the Nazis destroyed all leftist parties (Communist, Social Democratic, German People's Party , German Nationalist Party and the German Democratic Party) in order to replace Germany's liberal democracy with a dictatorship. They implemented a right wing agenda after the dictatorship was established. National Socialism was born out of Fascism and both are right wing extremist positions.
Socialism of either kind is no friend of freedom, nor democracy nor human dignity.
Socialism established a liberal democracy in Germany and Hitler with his extremist right wing agenda destroyed it.
The politics and policies of the present-day 'left' are socialistic to the extreme, and are contrary to the spirit and fundamental vision that birthed the United States. The cry of the American Revolution was,"Life, Liberty, Property." The present Democratic party values none of those.
I would say the same thing about modern day conservatism under the Bush regime. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness means nothing to them. They're trying to take us in the Nazi direction.
Socialism, communism. blah, blah, blah.
Meanwhile back on earth after seven years of market fundamentalism and betrayed public trust by your damn dirty Republican Party, 81% of Americans believe the country is on the wrong track.
You and your rightwing claptrap is tired, brother. You are not to be trusted.
While well-composed, this post is as well-informed as the "liberals have launched a war on Christmas" nonsense we hear from the Right.
Facts are stubborn things, indeed.
From: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERnazi.htm
"In 1919 Anton Drexler, Gottfried Feder and Dietrich Eckart formed the German Worker's Party (GPW) in Munich. The German Army was worried that it was a left-wing revolutionary group and sent Adolf Hitler, one of its education officers, to spy on the organization." [Even though he was sent by the German army to infilatrate the Party, Hitler became active in the Party.] "In April, 1920, Hitler advocated that the party should change its name to the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP). Hitler had always been hostile to socialist ideas, especially those that involved racial or sexual equality. However, socialism was a popular political philosophy in Germany after the First World War. This was reflected in the growth in the German Social Democrat Party (SDP), the largest political party in Germany. Hitler, therefore redefined socialism by placing the word 'National' before it."
The socialism label was a convenience for Hitler, not a reflection of fact.
There needs to be a shift in the paradigm of left versus right. The current paradigm places political philosophies on a line extending to the left and right from center. A new paradigm placing political philosophies on a circle may actually better reflect actual conditions. In this paradigm, communism and nazism end up at the same place; communism from the left and nazism from the right.
I love how you point out that nazism is "national socialism" as if it's some new revelation. You're what... 22-23? Just read about it in class? Or maybe in that Jonah Goldberg book?
If you think Obama (or any other mainstream American politician for that matter) is comparable to a Nazi, you're insane.
Dear Fawlty;
I just made the comparison - did you miss it?
Obama played the black victimhood card in his Philadelphia speech. His speech was not about the racist, hate-mongering of Wright, it was about how white America has to change, to give blacks greater opportunity. He talks a lot about 'rising above race' but that is just for whites - not blacks - they are the victims of white racism. It's just the same-old, same-old in new words. He's pretty smooth, but not new, not different.
Like I said, you have no idea about what he actually says. Either you didn't listen to or read the speech, or you simply didn't understand it. If you knew what he said, you wouldn't say that he was playing in black victimhood.
My guess is you heard a filtered soundbite version of it on the Rush Limbaugh show. Go back to listening to Rush, and leave the real political discourse to the grownups.
Fawlty;
I have read the speech, I haven't listened to it. While I liked his statement about not seeing opportunity as a 'zero-sum' game, the answer to white dominance in society is not the injustice progressives call 'affirmative action' that the Liberal-nonthinks have foisted upon society (largely through judicial activism, not through legislative or popular action). Regular Americans call it "unfair."
Obama basically says, 'White people are put off by affirmative action but that's too bad. They need to be quiet, because Black folk deserve extra government help due to their mistreatment in the past.'
But as the old saw goes, 'Two wrongs don't make a right.' As long as Obama supports affirmative action, he is just another modern fascist.
Obama played the black victimhood card in his Philadelphia speech.
What's wrong with playing the "Black victimhood card" if Blacks still remain disadvantaged and discriminated against in this society?
Where do YOU get the idea that Obama shares ANY of these ideas:
"Wikipedia identifies several elements of Nazism, that I think Obama shares: Ethnic Nationalism, Racism, Collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, and a racially defined and conspiratorial view of finance capitalism."
In fact, if you have actually read what he has written or listened to him you would KNOW that none of that is true. Why do you write this stuff?
"Wikipedia identifies several elements of Nazism, that I think Obama shares: Ethnic Nationalism, Racism, Collectivism, eugenics, antisemitism, and a racially defined and conspiratorial view of finance capitalism."
Society is not static, and fascism has morphed over the years as well. In the US, the identity politics of the left and the 'African roots' idea show easy parallels to ethnic nationalism. Wright, et al, shows the racist thinking; the eugenics is illustrated in Obama's defense of abortion, and his votes against bans on partial birth abortion. I would suspect he would also oppose Bush's ban on embryonic research - there's no other name than eugenics for those positions. Obama has had a difficult time trying to distance himself from the antisemitism of Wright and more especially of Farrakhan. The AIDS/HIV conspiracy appeals to the same fears as the finance conspirators. The collectivism is plainly seen in the desire to nationalize health-care.
You are not only brainwashed to the point of delusion. You eugenics argument was bone ignorant. YOU are a liar. Obama had NO problem distancing himself from Farrakhan and his antisemitism. Why do you wingnuts lie so much.
Basic tenets of fascism are identifying scapegoats, intense nationalism, Supremecy of the military, Rampant sexism, obsession with national security, intertwining religion and government NONE of these are leftist principles. YOU are far more fascist than the left. Your argument that the Nazi Fascists were leftist was wrong and ignorant. Get over it. You didnt know what you were talking about and you never do. That is because you only believe what your hivemind masters TELL you to beleive and you dont even know WHY you believe it except that you were told to. Your ignornace is dismissed.
Solon;
"Basic tenets of fascism are identifying scapegoats, intense nationalism, Supremecy(sic) of the military, Rampant sexism, obsession with national security, intertwining religion and government"
You probably should have credited Dr. Britt for that list, incidentally. And his 'intermingling of religion and government' is historically unsupportable as a Fascist tactic. His 'list of 14' appears to be things he doesn't like, so he calls them Fascist.
Tenets and tactics are different things, as are motives and tenets. Some of what you name above are tactics: scapegoating, intertwining of religion and politics; motives: obsession with national security with its resultant call for militarism. The idea of rampant sexism being a tenet of Fascism is just too silly to bother with.
The differences between the actual outworkings of German Fascism and Russian Communism, especially under Stalin, were pretty minimal. The German expression of Fascism resulted in the death of more Christians than Jews (13 million Christians +/-, 6-7 million Jews.) But the Fascists, like their mortal enemies the International Communists (killing maybe 50-100 million), were nominally atheistic. Any "intertwining" of religion and politics on their part was simply a tactic to control the populace. (German youth were taught that the Third Reich and Hitler would usher in a thousand year Utopian period, but it wasn't a traditionally 'religious' concept.)
But the real question at hand is: Are modern-day 'Progressives' Fascists? It depends on how you define 'Fascist.' It has been suggested (above in this thread) that Hitler and Mussolini merely 'adopted' the name 'Socialist' as a p/r ruse. That's just silly. The Third Reich (also Italy) was a socialist state, with the government controlling (either directly or indirectly) the means of production, and its use.
That the Third Reich was also a dictatorship does not change the fact that it was a socialist state, any more than Stalin's thuggery would deny Russia was a communist state. The major difference between fascism and communism is a matter of scope, rather than of substance. The scope of communism/Marxism is international, the scope of fascism is national, regional or sometimes (as in the case of the Islamofascists) - tribal. Fascism is merely socialism on a national rather than an international scale. When FDR instituted socialistic solutions to the U.s. economy, he used Mussolini's Italy as one of his models.
The fundamental tenet of both fascism and communism is that the state (or perhaps more exactly in Marx's thought - the movement, the cause) is supreme, and that the individual is secondary to the 'greater good.'
Modern Progressives would 'nationalize' health care, creating 'Socialized Medicine.' The present-day progressive creation and enforcement of 'Political Correctness' on college campuses is another expression of fascism.
Certainly U.S. Progressivism doesn't openly embody the dictatorial elements of 20th century Europe's Fascism, nor of Russia or China's Communism, but 'Socialized Medicine' shares the fundamental idea with Fascism that the state is the proper sphere for planning, control and distribution of goods and services.
If anyone thinks that we are exempt from the uglier aspects of fascism, or that fascism is "benign" in the United States, they should read the history of Huey Long.
Not my joke but Jon Stewart's.
The real bad comedy act is Coulter apologists insisting Coulter is a comedian. All right. Let's follow that premise to its logical conclusion.
How many times has she appeared at comedy venues like the Laugh Factory? ZERO. How many comedy specials has she had on HBO or Showtime? ZERO. How many books of comedic rejoinders has she written? ZERO (she considers her books serious political material, and they are sorted at bookstores under Politics not Comedy). How many comedy shows has she written for? ZERO. How many comedy movies has she written? ZERO.
Yes, Ann Coulter, the comedian who has never done one thing that makes one a comedian.
Next empty conservative argument, please step forward for a pie in the face. Now THAT'S comedy.
Randy
Example: Doctors in China Are Allowed to be Open about the Cause of Autism
Meanwhile malingerers in America flood propaganda that endangers vaccination programs.
http://http://www.fluoridealert.org/health/brain/
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Randi Rhodes was suspended for making remarks about Hillay & Ferraro.
Of course this crap from Coulter is just fine.
2 Observations - Randi should have reserved her remarks for the like of Coulter.
And Hillary is too cosy with Fox for my comfort.
2 points that need to be made:
1. This isn't Coulter's first racist white supremacist comment. She once said that MLK deserved to be assasinated, and she made racist comments against Rep. Maxine Waters.
2. Note that the right wing conservative Anti-Defamation League & the right wing conservative American Jewish Council have been silent about Coulter's Hitler reference, AND they were silent when Coulter once said that Jews needed to be perfected on the Donny Deutsch show.
The Jewish Neo-Conservative Republicans that Eric Alterman so deservedly attacks here and on other boards may or may not be complicit in Ol' Liar Ann's inflammatory comments. They may even be sending her ideas on what to say.
COULTER: No, I understand we have spent 10 years building up a hatred for the Clintons.
AHA!!!!! So Hillary was right about the "vast right-wing conspiracy".....