Citing Gingrich, Halperin falsely suggested Obama's "[t]alk to your enemies" position includes support for meeting with Hamas
SUMMARY: Discussing on ABC's This Week former President Jimmy Carter's planned meeting with a Hamas leader and the "two schools of thought about how America should deal in the world," Time magazine senior political analyst Mark Halperin -- citing former House Speaker Newt Gingrich -- said of Sen. Barack Obama: "Obama's position: Talk to your enemies." But Halperin did not mention that Obama has repeatedly said his willingness to meet with international adversaries "does not include Hamas."
On the April 13 edition of ABC's This Week, discussing former President Jimmy Carter's planned meeting with Hamas leader Khaled Meshal, Time magazine senior political analyst Mark Halperin asserted: "I interviewed [former House Speaker] Newt Gingrich on Friday and he seized on this, because he says this is a clear choice if it's [Sen. Barack] Obama versus [Sen. John] McCain -- two schools of thought about how America should deal in the world. Obama's position: Talk to your enemies. The McCain-Republican-Gingrich position: You cannot talk to people who don't meet some certain thresholds." In fact, Obama has repeatedly stated that his willingness to meet with international adversaries "does not include Hamas." Indeed, earlier in the show, during an interview with Carter, host George Stephanopoulos noted, "Senators Obama and [Hillary] Clinton have both said they would not meet with Hamas leaders."
On March 3, Reuters reported that Obama "has said he would break with President George W. Bush's stance of declining to talk to some other international adversaries but that stance does not apply to Hamas." According to Reuters, at a campaign stop in San Antonio, Obama said, "You can't negotiate with somebody who does not recognize the right of a country to exist so I understand why Israel doesn't meet with Hamas."
From the April 13 edition of ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos:
STEPHANOPOULOS: Your trip has also become fodder for the political campaign here at home. Senators Obama and Clinton have both said they would not meet with Hamas leaders. Several Democratic congressmen are urging you not to follow through with the meeting. And former Speaker Newt Gingrich pounced on this, saying Democrats ought to dis-invite you from their convention because of this proposed meeting. Are you worried that you might be making trouble for Senators Clinton, Obama, and other Democrats?
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STEPHANOPOULOS: But what about sitting down with the leader of Hamas, and if there's any kind of give in his position that he can then, that President Carter can then go talk to the Israeli defense minister about -- what's wrong with that?
GEORGE WILL (Washington Post columnist): There's nothing wrong with it if there's the slightest shred of evidence that there will be this kind of give. There is none -- none, zero, in all the history of Hamas.
VICTORIA CLARKE (former Pentagon spokeswoman): Well, and the question for him was, when you were president of the United States, you would not appreciate and did not appreciate people from different places going around freelancing foreign policy. It's just not helpful. Having said that, again, overall impact, I don't think he has that much. I was struck by the contradictions he had within the conversation. On the one hand, he says, "I want to induce them to do these things -- but I'm not a negotiator." And then when you got onto the politics of it, he says, "Nancy Pelosi is right -- represent the popular will; however, superdelegates can do whatever they want." I just, I'm struck at the contradiction within one conversation.
HALPERIN: I interviewed Newt Gingrich on Friday and he seized on this, because he says this is a clear choice if it's Obama versus McCain -- two schools of thought about how America should deal in the world. Obama's position: Talk to your enemies. The McCain-Republican-Gingrich position: You cannot talk to people who don't meet some certain thresholds.
STEPHANOPOULOS: And there was some buzz that this might hurt Obama because he did not tell Jimmy Carter not to go and have that meeting.
HALPERIN: Right.
STEPHANOPOULOS: That's all we're going to have time for today. Thank you all very much. This roundtable is going to continue.
Hey Chris:
News flash: Barack Obama is not responsible for his pastor's comments. Find another B.S. issue.
By your logic, is John McCain also "guilty" of associating with some of the most vile, hateful "preachers" the right wing has to offer?
Theres no spin of any direction when it comes to Wright. His speaches speak for themselves. Even Obama himself denounced those speaches.....
But then again, people only apologize because they got caught. Go figure.
The church itself is one of the largest African-American churches in all of Chicago. Its well documented as fact, not to mention that I lived in Chicago for 4 years, up until 2006.
Catholic churches have black members, yet the left seems to think that catholocism preaches white supremacy.
However, any church whos main speaker tells its people that the US Government invented the AIDS virus to kill off black people as well as say "God Damn America" proves that the "church" has a very loose interpretation of the word Religion.
If they believe no such thing, why does religion scare you so much that you want it completely banned from schools all the while, wanting the right to preach evolution? In all honesty, I'm not a church going person anyway, but I dont discount the idea that there could be something greater. My "beef" is that both are not, and cannot be 100% scientifically proven, therefore both should be banned, or both should be taught....and let the people getting an education make their own educated decisions.
I dont have to tell you the defination of religion, look it up in a dictionary. If Rev. Wright's "god" told him that the US Govt invented aids to kill black people, then its no more far off that Allah telling you to blow yourself up with C4. Both have the similar comparison of David Karesh, and that whacko who told everyone to kill themselves because the aliens were coming to take them away.
This has gotten so far off subject though. The fact of the matter is that Rev. Wright is a bitter racist, and you cannot help but consider his followers as guilty by association. After all, no one goes out of their way to attend mass for 20 years while listening to garbage that they dont agree with. Again, the condemnation and apology was given out ONLY because he got caught.
If they believe no such thing, why does religion scare you so much that you want it completely banned from schools
We don't want it banned; it just shouldn't be sanctioned by the state or any public employee. The students can go do things on their own.
If Rev. Wright's "god" told him that the US Govt invented aids to kill black people
When did he say a god told him this?
"You know, Jesus reminded us in a magnificent parable one day that a man went to hell because he didn't see the poor. ... And I come by here to say that America, too, is going to hell, if we don't use her wealth. If America does not use her vast resources of wealth to end poverty, to make it possible for all of God's children to have the basic necessities of life, she, too, will go to hell."
MLK was a damned anti-American trouble maker. I think all Liberals should denounce his hateful, hate speech.
"My "beef" is that both are not, and cannot be 100% scientifically proven, therefore both should be banned, or both should be taught....and let the people getting an education make their own educated decisions."
A vastly accepted scientific theory is perfectly acceptable in science class. Intelligent design is not science, so it doesn't belong in science class. Trying to equate the two because neither is "100%" proven is just plain stupid.
So let me get this right....its ok to teach a theory as being fact, but its not ok to teach a belief as being a belief?
You do realize that the definition of "theory" is: An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.
And this differns from creationism, how?
So let me get this right....its ok to teach a theory as being fact, but its not ok to teach a belief as being a belief?
OK, good practice run, now try to get it right.
"So let me get this right....its ok to teach a theory as being fact, but its not ok to teach a belief as being a belief?"
No, it's acceptable to teach a scientific theory as a scientific theory. Belief has no place in any objective study.
"You do realize that the definition of "theory" is: An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture."
You do realize that "theory" is not the same as "scientific theory", don't you? Please say you knew that.
As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.
Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts.
"And this differns from creationism, how?"
See above. Scientific theory is based on objective criteria. A religious belief is a matter of faith, which can be based on anything. So something like creationism doesn't even have to be based on limited information, it can be based on zero information. Even by your incorrect definition there's a difference.
However, any church whos main speaker tells its people that the US Government invented the AIDS virus to kill off black people
This is the way some people start to think when you have a government that has traditional been against them.
Again. nothing in his sermons contain racial hate rhetoric.
Even Obama himself denounced those speaches.....
I disagree with Obama. I don't think there was anything to denounce him for.
US Gov't invented AIDS to kill off the blacks. What a stupid, ignorant preacher Wright is.
Actually the stupidity belongs to YOU, Rev. Wright has experiences the history of the US government, disease and African Americans.
In 1932, the Public Health Service, working with the Tuskegee Institute, began a study to record the natural history of syphilis in hopes of justifying treatment programs for blacks. It was called the "Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male."
The study initially involved 600 black men – 399 with syphilis, 201 who did not have the disease. The study was conducted without the benefit of patients' informed consent.
And Rev. Wright was right!
This country was founded by landowning (read: affluent) men of European descent for landowning men of European descent. I love Thomas Jefferson. He was a brilliant political philosopher. But when he wrote “All men are created equal” he didn’t mean it the way I take it. He wasn’t talking about the rights of all men. He certainly wasn’t talking about the rights of women. The man owned slaves.
This country was built on the backs of African slaves on land that was robbed in the slaughter of Native Americans. I’m sorry if this offends your bourgeois sensibilities as it isn’t the totally awesome, God-fearing, flag-waving, USA #1!!!1 narrative that we teach to school kids, but it is historical fact.
America is a work in progress. It took people like Susan B. Anthony and Frederick Douglas to read deeper into the philosophies that birthed this nation. They realized that the rich, white men so many of us proudly call our Founding Fathers had only scratched the surface. And so they joined what would become a larger tradition: the fine American tradition of dissent. One hundred years after the Emancipation Proclamation this country was still segregated. Restaurants, buses, schools, drinking fountains and bathrooms. Again, it took leaders like Martin Luther King Jr. to see that “separate, but equal” was a ruse and that it represented a reading of these ideas that sold them short entirely. And some of these people were told they were too bombastic, too loud and too angry. It took leaders like Bobby Kennedy to see that their anger was well justified and long overdue.
We’ve come a long way since 1776. In many ways, America still represents some of the best hopes of this dream of human liberty. But we are not perfect. We have not yet arrived at our destination. And this country is still largely controlled by rich, white men. You can say, if you wish, that Jeremiah Wright is too loud and too angry, but you cannot say that he is wrong! http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/15/7702/
I wouldnt disagree with any of your statement except the first section. I have read about the Tuskagee Study, and it unfortunately took something like that to start having standards during scientific studies.
However, nowhere in there did you prove that the US Govt invented AIDS to kill off black americans. And not to mention that the Tuskagee Study was not about killing off black americans either.
However, nowhere in there did you prove that the US Govt invented AIDS to kill off black americans.
Really?
These men, for the most part illiterate sharecroppers from one of the poorest counties in Alabama, were never told what disease they were suffering from or of its seriousness. Informed that they were being treated for “bad blood,” their doctors had no intention of curing them of syphilis at all.
I have read about the Tuskagee Study, and it unfortunately took something like that to start having standards during scientific studies.
No, it didn't. Someone respectful of the rights of all humanity would never have done anything of the sort to begin with.
Obama said, "You can't negotiate with somebody who does not recognize the right of a country to exist so I understand why Israel doesn't meet with Hamas."
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Wednesdaythat Israel must be "wiped off the map" - this according http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/10/26/news/iran.php
So the willingness of Obama to awnt to "talk" with Iran proves his hypocrisy.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/11/01/america/obama.php
Well I would probably trust Hamas to be more honest in talks then Iran, however, there should not be any negotiations with any country who threatens to "wipe" an ally of ours off the map. None what so ever.
Then there's no way of achieving peace.
you sir, are delusional.
And you deliberately took the name of a troll. Why should anything you say be given any weight, other than the fact that you obviously have a semblance of self-knowledge?
too ignorant for me to take that seriously and the laughing is making my stomach hurt.
Hey, we have something in common Solon! Thats the same exact reaction I had ....... while trying to watch An Inconvenient Truth!
I think its funny that you bring Rush Limbaugh into every comment. I know you have an infatuation with him, but im sure hes not interested in dating you. And no, you cannot have his pills either.
I didnt realize how much you guys hate him, but he really must be the wall thats blocking your agenda.
I understand your reality consists of flying hydrogen cars, Star Wars conventions, and being a pillow biter to Al Gore.....but here on earth things are a little different Solon.
Your statement isn't from Earth, it's from your very own community populated wholly by straw men of your making. And that community is nowhere near reality.
I also heard that Halperin is claiming the Obama remarks about bitterness in Pennsylvania is Obama's "macaca" moment.
Talk about an Orwellian lie..
I have never heard the phrase, orwellian lie. what does it mean, pray tell. do you even know?
It means you're even more ignorant than your name suggests.
Isn't the Bush Doctrine, of letting our hardware do our talking, working for us so far?
Why change up when things are going so well?
Sad and gettin' sadder...
ABC - A Buncha Crap
Can't wait to see how Georgie performs as a moderator for the upcoming debate.
Hamas was not part of the question.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1dSPrb5w_k
Obama is not to blame for what his pastor says. Obama is guilty of association to his pastor....many years worth.
Hey, so long as Obama doesn't seek advice from Wright on a Supreme Court nominee--like the Bush White House did with Jerry Falwell--I could care less about some of the more provocative things his former pastor said. He's not running for President and Obama has not demonstrated any policy that resembles Wright's harsh rhetoric.
I'll be sure not to lose any sleep over that.
I bet he wont either, with the "bitter" small town gun lovers after him.
Except refering to his grandmother as a "typical white person".
Do you know for a fact that she wasn't?
Except refering to his grandmother as a "typical white person". I personally do not respect any black person, much less a presidential candidate, who preaches against racial divide, then calls someone a "typical white person".
Perhaps he misspoke and was referring to his grandmother during her time period, which makes more sense. Either way, it was a dumb thing to say to generalize whites of today. Aside from that gaffe, what else do you got that makes him anti-white or anti-American like Wright supposedly is?
The 20 relationship w/ the Rev. Wright, typical white person statements, and now talking down to small town white voters. That pretty much seals the deal for me (Columbus)
Translation: Whew! The TV finally gave me enough excuses not to vote for that black guy that I can rationalize it publicly.
Well lets see....our #1 importer is Canada. Between Canada, ANWR, and North Dakota, our imports from OPEC would be minimal. More than enough time for the demand from OPEC to drop dramastically, including the price. And boom...oil prices back down to $20 a barrel. OPEC could not afford to lose the US as a customer, they just know that since our environmentalists will not allow us to drill in ANWR or ND, that they have us by the balls.
There isnt enough oil there to be more than a shorterm blip. The answer isnt to drill in ANWR even if it were as big an answer as you delusionally believe it is not going to fix any problem
So be honest, is oil dependency really your issue....or is all this global warming crap? Really goes to show that the left is thankful for the price of oil today, because it forces everyone to fall for the new hoax. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but oil use for fuel is not going away anytime soon. Even if they found a realistic approach for hydrogen cars, they would still need to make the fueling method avaibable everywhere, not to mention find a way for everyone to afford it. Neither will happen in less than 10-15yrs at least.
So instead of living with huge oil prices, we SHOULD be doing everything we can to ease the burden until something else is mainstream.
If you want more right wingers to believe in global warming, then there are several things to do.
1. Stop sending Al Gore everywhere, because the rights didnt like him then, and wont like him now.
2. Stop blaming everyhting on global warming. From Boxer saying that the California Fires were because of Global Warming, to the pre-hurrican reports that state more hurricanes will happen because of Global Warming, yet it doesn't.
3. The Polar Bears drowning because of Global Warming had to be one of the funniest, and yet dumbest, statements I've ever heard.
4. Next time you make a movie about it, leave out the political agenda.
I dont think we are TRYING to convince the brainwashed
And then Al Gore launched a $300 million global warming ad campaign.
There are a whole lot of people out there that HAVENT been brainwashed.
So youre just trying to brainwash them first? Totally makes sense now!
What's amazing is how such a well funded and overwhelmingly entrenched opposition to environmentalism over the decades has failed to persuade people that oil is good for the planet.
columbus, you have more strength than I. I admire you for being able to manage any discourse with the totally deranged Solon, and others on this site. It is really just a past time for me, to see how loony so many of our fellow citizens are.
Personally, I think they should be taken away and given their 9 grams.
It has nothing to do with strength. It has everything to do with a paycheck.
Our friend the discoverer, is being paid to post here and to be argumentative.
According to him, he's got this hot girlfriend, who he intends to marry, yet all weekend he sits at his keyboard pecking away at us here.
No one, who disagrees so vehemently with what this site stands for, would spend so much of his time here, unless someone was paying him to be here.
Do you get paid by the word or by the post?
Goodbye, Columbus!
If you want more right wingers to believe in global warming, then there are several things to do.
Please explain why we are to take advice from people who have been completely, totally wrong on everything they have tried to predict over the past seven years.
As always
According to the Bush administration, there's about 10.4 billion barrels of recoverable oil in ANWR.
According to impartial geologists who do not work for the oil companies, there's about a third to a half of the amount you state in ANWR.
The 20 relationship w/ the Rev. Wright, typical white person statements, and now talking down to small town white voters. That pretty much seals the deal for me when it comes to his recial desegregation talk...makes it all look like a front.
Then in the famous words of Tommy, we simply disagree. :D
He's been a state senator for several years and a junior U.S. senator for 1 1/2 years (not 100% sure). The fact that we can name the number of times he's misspoke during his entire political career fairs pretty well with me.
No ones about how many times he's mis-spoken as a junior or entry level senator. The playing field is much different now...he wants to represent 300+ million people as opposed to 13+ million. Not to mention, hes trying to gain the support of areas that are not heavily democrat backed. This is a new game for him, no room for errors. Play ball.
Play ball.
I can't count the number of times you have struck out already. You simply have no clue what you are talking about on any subject whatsoever.
Please take your ball and go home. You can use it as a model for what the other one should look like when you decide to grow a pair and learn something like an adult.
"A meeting between Carter and Meshaal would take place amid calls from many experts in the United States and Israel to open up a dialogue with Hamas.
They claim the policy of isolation is not working.
A poll earlier this year in the Israeli newspaper Haaretz found that 64 percent of Israelis favor direct talks with Hamas."
This from http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/10/bush-administration-urges-carter-not-to-meet-with-hamas/