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Reuters ignored McCain's inconsistency about need for Korea-like troop presence in Iraq

April 14, 2008 3:04 pm ET
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SUMMARY: Reuters reported that Sen. John McCain "says the United States must stay in Iraq ... and remain there in some fashion in the years ahead as peacekeepers, much like U.S. troops have done in South Korea and Japan for decades," but it did not mention that McCain has been inconsistent on the need for a Korea-like troop presence in Iraq.

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In an April 14 article, Reuters reporter Steve Holland wrote that Sen. John McCain "says the United States must stay in Iraq to help democracy take hold in the Middle East and remain there in some fashion in the years ahead as peacekeepers, much like U.S. troops have done in South Korea and Japan for decades." However, the article did not note that McCain has also previously dismissed the need for a Korea-like troop presence in Iraq. As Media Matters for America noted, on the November 27, 2007, edition of PBS' Charlie Rose, McCain was asked by Rose if South Korea "is an analogy of where Iraq might be ... in terms of an American presence over the next, say, 20, 25 years, that we will have a significant amount of troops there." McCain replied, "I don't think so." Rose then asked: "Even if there are no casualties?" McCain replied, "No. But I can see an American presence for a while. But eventually I think because of the nature of the society in Iraq and the religious aspects of it that America eventually withdraws."

By contrast, during a January 3 town hall meeting in Derry, New Hampshire, a participant said to McCain: "President Bush has talked about our staying in Iraq for 50 years -- ." McCain interjected: "Maybe a hundred. We've been in South Korea; we've been in Japan for 60 years. We've been in South Korea for 50 years or so. That'd be fine with me as long as Americans -- as long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed, then it's fine with me. I hope it would be fine with you if we maintain a presence in a very volatile part of the world where Al Qaeda is training, recruiting, and equipping, and motivating people every single day."

As Media Matters has documented, the media have frequently reported on McCain's attacks against Democrats for purportedly misrepresenting his January 3 remarks without noting McCain's inconsistency on the need for a Korea-like troop presence in Iraq.

From the April 14 Reuters article:

At a time when his Democratic rivals are promising a way out of Iraq, McCain is adhering to a long-held view that the United States is in a war against radical Islamic extremists and that a central battle in that conflict is in Iraq.

He says the United States must stay in Iraq to help democracy take hold in the Middle East and remain there in some fashion in the years ahead as peacekeepers, much like U.S. troops have done in South Korea and Japan for decades.

Now that a troop increase in Iraq that he had recommended has improved security, more Americans are with him and willing to be more patient, he believes.

"A significant number of Americans believe we should come home with honor, not with disgrace and genocide," he told reporters on his campaign bus recently.

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    • Author by wookie (April 14, 2008 3:13 pm ET)
         

      >>As Media Matters has documented, the media have frequently reported on McCain's attacks against Democrats for purportedly misrepresenting his January 3 remarks without noting McCain's inconsistency on the need for a Korea-like troop presence in Iraq.

      Well, of course. he changes them so often how could you represent them correctly? 

       

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      • Author by jeter2 (April 14, 2008 3:19 pm ET)
           
        He's got Maverick Immunity ;-)
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        • Author by snoopy (April 14, 2008 3:23 pm ET)
             

          Jeter, they don't call him Teflon John for nothing!

           

          oh, couldn't resist but I just had to put another reminder out there of why the republican party is on the down and outs!

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          • Author by jeter2 (April 14, 2008 3:29 pm ET)
               

            Snoop,

            I'll agree the Republican party ain't what it used to be, BUT look at your own party. The Dems in-fighting between the Obamabots vs the Clintonites may end up finding you guys sitting on the sidelines...again.

            And to top it off, both Obama & Clinton seem to have developed serious foot in mouth disease.

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            • Author by snoopy (April 14, 2008 3:32 pm ET)
                 

              I'm not too happy about Clinton, she is making a mess. But they can still solve that problem if they end it June at the latest.

              but you didn't mention my link. You didn't like the picture? =0

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              • Author by jeter2 (April 14, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
                   

                End the mess in June? Mmmmm me thinks that's wishful thinking on your part Snoop. Even if you have a nominee, the bitterness may not vanish. Plus Obama's recent comments have a few folks pissed. [ not me, I get what he was saying]

                Yes I did forget to comment on the um, cartoon. I think it's kinda misleading. Anne's boobs are no way that big ;-)

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                • Author by snoopy (April 14, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
                     
                  Darn, I was going for the shock value. Something along the lines of "My eyes! Aaaugh, my eyes!"
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                  • Author by jeter2 (April 14, 2008 3:52 pm ET)
                       

                    Haha. Nah, remember Anne doesn't freak me out like she does you Libs. Sometimes I think she's funny.

                    Now a cartoon like that of Randi Rhodes...and I'd be screaming "My eyes! Aaaugh, my eyes!"

                    ;-)

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                • Author by dbeden4153 (April 14, 2008 3:53 pm ET)
                     
                  They also left out her adam's apple ;)
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                • Author by loonz (April 14, 2008 4:52 pm ET)
                     
                  I was posting at the Huffingron Post yesterday and was surprised by some of the comments there.  A lot of Hillary supporters said they would vote for McCain or stay home if Obama gets the nomination.  I hope they come to their senses before November.
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                  • Author by jeter2 (April 14, 2008 4:59 pm ET)
                       
                    A great many of the posters over at HuffPo are lunatics. I don't know how else to describe them. The exchanges over there between the Obamabots vs Clintonites is down right nasty. It's so peaceful in comparison over here at MMFA :-)
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                  • Author by juliajayne (April 14, 2008 5:35 pm ET)
                       
                    Nobody's votin' for McCain. The Clinton supporters are just tweaking the Obama people who are legend at HuffPo. That of course is just my opinion. I've heard Obama people say the same thing. At this point, anybody who is still engaging in this "squabble" is behind the curve. The rest of us have moved on to the bigger picture.
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                    • Author by jeter2 (April 14, 2008 5:40 pm ET)
                         

                      Says the Queen of the kingdom of The Rest Of Us ;-)

                      BTW, I don't think either group [Obamabots or Clintonites] will vote for McCain. I think they'll sit home. Or just not check off a vote for President.

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                      • Author by juliajayne (April 14, 2008 5:50 pm ET)
                           
                        Nobody's sitting home either, Except maybe some wild eyed "principled" people who think giving the country over to the coot with a bad temper is a good idea.
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                        • Author by jeter2 (April 14, 2008 6:03 pm ET)
                             

                          Time will tell I guess, my sweet Julia.

                          I find it hard to picture these 2 groups kissing & making up....

                          Now home I go to my favorite meal of spaghetti & meatballs. Yum :-)

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            • Author by juliajayne (April 14, 2008 4:37 pm ET)
                 
              Jeter, am I going to have to spank you or call you henny penny (the sky is falling for the Dems). That  routine's getting old my Sir. I bet you go for the royal thumping :-)
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            • Author by worrierking (April 15, 2008 9:03 am ET)
                 
              You guys will never get it Jeter.

              We Democrats need to destroy the party in order to save it.

              How we doin' so far?
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 14, 2008 4:23 pm ET)
               
            Thanks, Snoop- I got to watch that John Oliver bit about Fox again.It was just as good the second time around.
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            • Author by dbeden4153 (April 14, 2008 4:33 pm ET)
                 
              I loved the part where they showed all the American flags Fox puts in their shots...in case no one else counted, it was 11.  11 flags for one shot.  Just shows you how objective Fox News is, right?
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              • Author by anotheramerican (April 14, 2008 4:39 pm ET)
                   

                Have you noticed the candidate who won't wear a flag lapel pin has, since the Rev. Wright incident, putting flags all over his announcements. How many flags did he have in his race speech?  I noticed on the tv-show "Idol Gives Back" that the flag took up alost the whole screen behind him.  

                Gotta love that principled stand by BO!  ;-)  

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                • Author by dbeden4153 (April 14, 2008 4:47 pm ET)
                     

                  you do know McCain doesn't wear a flag pin either do you?

                  And that if you go back, Obama has had many speeches where there are American flags in the background, well before the Wright incident.  Just like McCain has all sorts of flags in his background, and Clinton too.  If I find the link I'll post it, but you can do a little searching and see for yourself. 

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                • Author by dbeden4153 (April 14, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
                     
                  Also, have you seen the piece?  It definitely shows Fox News for what it is, which is NOT Fair and Balanced.
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                • Author by loonz (April 14, 2008 4:54 pm ET)
                     

                  Have you noticed the candidate who won't wear a flag lapel pin has, since the Rev. Wright incident, putting flags all over his announcements.

                  Media Matters did a post on this a few days ago.  Apparently, that's a lie.

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                • Author by friedbergboy1422 (April 14, 2008 5:17 pm ET)
                     

                  AA,

                  I suggest you google Obama's speeches.  I think you will find flags in the background of all of them.  If you need a shortcut, go to the MMFA thread about this from a few days ago.  I'm disappointed you took Luntz's word without investigating for yourself.

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                  • Author by juliajayne (April 14, 2008 5:54 pm ET)
                       
                    He is misinformed because of his so called news sources. But he won't change. He's too invested in his partisan chicanery.
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                  • Author by anotheramerican (April 15, 2008 11:14 am ET)
                       

                    fried,

                    I didn't see the Luntz piece. I picked up on it when some reporter commented on how they watched the Obama people put eight flags behind Obama for that speech.

                    I thought it conspicuous in the "Idol Gives Back" program where Obama had the flag and McCain and Hillary did not. 

                    I noticed yesterday on some news segment with Obama there must have been 20 flags behind him for that photo op. 

                    No doubt Obama is trying to subliminally sell his patriotism in an effort to counter the perceived anti-American sentiment swirling around his campaign. 

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          • Author by juliajayne (April 14, 2008 5:47 pm ET)
               
            Hey Snoopy, I just listened to Max and the Marginalized's song about McCain. Good one.
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        • Author by wzwriter (April 14, 2008 4:33 pm ET)
             

          He's got Maverick Immunity ;-)

          Which is slightly less explosive than Pinto Immunity....

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    • Author by anotheramerican (April 14, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
         

      McCain was asked by Rose if South Korea "is an analogy of where Iraq might be ... in terms of an American presence over the next, say, 20, 25 years, that we will have a significant amount of troops there." McCain replied, "I don't think so." Rose then asked: "Even if there are no casualties?" McCain replied, "No. But I can see an American presence for a while. But eventually I think because of the nature of the society in Iraq and the religious aspects of it that America eventually withdraws."

      So MMFA is continuing once again to try and make McCain look like he's contradicting himself because he answered th question above and also has said we might stay and maintain a peacekeeper role?

      It looks like to me he was simply giving an open ended response in both cases. I think this is not sticking to "Teflon John" because there is really nothing there to stick.  

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      • Author by nerzog (April 14, 2008 4:17 pm ET)
           
        Yeah, and it's not nearly as serious as, say, bowling badly...or making an off the cuff TRUE remark that hurts the feelings of Biblethumping gun owners.
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        • Author by anotheramerican (April 14, 2008 4:33 pm ET)
             
          Obama's bowling is an example of gutter politics at it's worst. ;-)
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      • Author by mary59 (April 14, 2008 4:36 pm ET)
           
        The problem with McCain's statements are that they fly in the face of reality. He wants a long term U.S. presence in Iraq...soldiers...but there is absolutely no way to reduce or eliminate the violence they are subjected to. It's pie in the sky.

        The presence of U.S. soldiers is fueling the insurgency. And then there are Shia and Sunni factions all fighting for supremecy with our soldiers in the middle.
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      • Author by loonz (April 14, 2008 4:37 pm ET)
           
        They look like contradictions to me.  Anyway,  I think McCain has no understanding of that region.  If he thinks we can occupy Iraq for 100 or 10,000 years without consequences to us, he's insane.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (April 14, 2008 4:58 pm ET)
         

      Teflon John is being sued by the DNC over campaign finance issues. I'm sure this'll be all over the media.

      DEMS get political over politics!

      The shame! The angst!, The chutzpa! The, I think I'll just lie down now till the vapours pass.

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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (April 15, 2008 7:59 pm ET)
         
      The difference between KOREA AND IRAQ is very simple,in KOREA very few AMERICAN soldiers have been killed there since the end of the war in 1953. Whereas in IRAQ,we have a guerrilla war and a civil war going on now  with no end in site . And as MARY59 said the presence of AMERICAN soldiers is fueling the insurgency. And the dying will go on and on.
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