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On MSNBC, Reuters' Decker on Obama's bowling: "[T]his cuts to 'is this person real? Do they connect with me as a voter?' "

April 14, 2008 7:45 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On MSNBC, Reuters' Jon Decker raised the issue of Sen. Barack Obama's bowling performance and stated: "[T]his cuts to 'is this person real? Do they connect with me as a voter?' You know, for someone who's in a bowling league in northeast central Pennsylvania ... they can't identify with someone getting a 37 over seven frames." Decker's comments follow those of MSNBC figures, particularly Chris Matthews, who have purported to identify actions or characteristics of Obama that they claim suggest he is not a "regular" person and is out of touch with average Americans.

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While discussing the 2008 presidential campaign on the April 14 edition of MSNBC Live, Reuters Washington correspondent Jon Decker raised the issue of Sen. Barack Obama's bowling performance during a March 29 campaign stop at Pleasant Valley Lanes in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and stated: "You know, this cuts to 'is this person real? Do they connect with me as a voter?' You know, for someone who's in a bowling league in northeast central Pennsylvania, in Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, they can't identify with someone getting a 37 over seven frames."

Decker's comments follow those of MSNBC figures, particularly Chris Matthews, who have purported to identify actions or characteristics of Obama that they claim suggest he is not a "regular" person and is out of touch with average Americans. During the April 1 edition of MSNBC's Hardball, host Chris Matthews referred to Obama's bowling performance and asked, "[C]an Obama woo more regular voters -- you know, the ones who actually do know how to bowl?" He later asked Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO): "Let me ask you about how he -- how's he connect with regular people? Does he? Or does he only appeal to people who come from the African-American community and from the people who have college or advanced degrees?" On the previous day's edition of Hardball, Matthews had said of Obama: "[T]his gets very ethnic, but the fact that he's good at basketball doesn't surprise anybody, but the fact that he's that terrible at bowling does make you wonder."

Similarly, on the April 8 edition of Hardball, after playing a clip of Sen. Hillary Clinton bowling on the April 7 edition of the syndicated Ellen DeGeneres Show, Matthews asserted: "Well, it looks like bowlers won't have a champion in the race at all. I'm actually surprised by the fact that neither Barack or Hillary have bowled much in their lives. Maybe that tells you something about the Democratic Party." During the March 31 edition of MSNBC's Morning Joe, host Joe Scarborough described Obama's bowling performance as "dainty," and said to co-host Willie Geist, "You know Willie, the thing is, Americans want their president, if it's a man, to be a real man." Scarborough added, "You get 150, you're a man, or a good woman," to which Geist replied, "Out of my president, I want a 150, at least."

On the April 10 edition of Hardball, Matthews, along with MSNBC correspondent David Shuster, discussed in detail Obama's choice of beverage during a campaign stop that day at a diner in Indiana. Shuster said to Matthews: "Well, here's the other thing that we saw on the tape, Chris, is that, when Obama went in, he was offered coffee, and he said, 'I'll have orange juice.' " Matthews interjected, "No," to which Shuster responded: "He did." Shuster continued: "And it's just one of those sort of weird things. You know, when the owner of the diner says, 'Here, have some coffee,' you say, 'Yes, thank you,' and, 'Oh, can I also please have some orange juice, in addition to this?' You don't just say, 'No, I'll take orange juice,' and then turn away and start shaking hands." Matthews added, "You don't ask for a substitute on the menu," and then said: "David, what a regular guy. You could do this. ... I mean, go to the diners." In the next segment of the show, Matthews began his interview with Sen. Bob Casey (D-PA), an Obama supporter, by asking: "Isn't that interesting, Senator Casey, that Barack Obama, your candidate, can walk before 15,000 people with complete calm and assurance, but he seems a little out of place in A) a bowling alley and B) a diner? What is the problem with your guy?"

During MSNBC's March 4 coverage of that day's presidential primaries and caucuses, Matthews stated: "[N]either one of these candidates, Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, are perfectly customized for Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania prefers a beefier sort to either of these people, a more rustic, tougher sort than either of them." As Media Matters has previously noted, Matthews has frequently discussed "beef[iness]" in the context of presidential politics.

From the 2 p.m. ET hour of the April 14 edition of MSNBC Live:

CONTESSA BREWER (anchor): It's interesting, though, because you always have this question that erupts around election time: Who would you rather have a beer with? And so, it's not just what the candidates are saying to appeal to folks -- they want to be seen as the guy or the gal next door -- but they also have to do it. So, we've seen these candidates now in Pennsylvania -- here's Hillary Clinton doing shots in a bar. And then we have video of Barack Obama tossing back a Yuengling, which, anybody who's been to Philadelphia knows they're very proud of their local beer out there. How important is the video? I mean, if -- do these pictures really speak a thousand words, Jon?

DECKER: They do. And let's not forget Barack Obama bowling. You know, this cuts to "is this person real? Do they connect with me as a voter?" You know, for someone who's in a bowling league in northeast central Pennsylvania, in Scranton and Wilkes-Barre, they can't identify with someone getting a 37 over seven frames.

BREWER: Oh, and there's her chaser mug full of -- her beer stein full. And you gotta be careful, because not too many of those and the 3 a.m. call starts to seem -- well, I'll just leave that one alone, I guess. [Washington Post editorial writer] Jonathan [Capeheart], Jon, thank you guys.

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    • Author by magnolialover (April 14, 2008 7:56 pm ET)
         

      I know it does with me. Why? I suck at bowling, and so does Obama. We're like 2 peas in a pod him and I.

      Someone in a bowling league in PA would be saying, "Bring him on! I can get a quick win and roll my way into the semis..."

      It's probably a good thing that Obama's NOT in a bowling league, because we need to make sure our President can bowl should he/she happen to maybe go up against Kim Jong Il, or Putin or something like that. Never know when your foreign policy is going to hinge on whether or not you can pick up that spare.

       

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    • Author by snoopy (April 14, 2008 8:02 pm ET)
         
      Bowling - again? I go bowling for the  sole purpose of drinking. I bet you can count on your fingers and toes the number of folks who take it seriously. If you have matching bowling outfits  made out of fucia and black yer probably a rightwinger...
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      • Author by MickD (April 14, 2008 10:42 pm ET)
           
        Snoop,

        I love bowling, I ain't no freakin' rightwardwinger. I even volunteered to be BO's bowling consultant...

        http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&blogID=372906864
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    • Author by hogprint (April 14, 2008 8:09 pm ET)
         

      Has nothing to do with whether he can face down Putin in a staring contest, but it does show a teeny window into his soul for white middle class voters (that all important male "swing" voter demographic this year) that obama must carry to win. 

      I guess bitter gun owners going to church plays well in San Fran no?    

       

       

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      • Author by magnolialover (April 14, 2008 8:22 pm ET)
           

        Since I live in rural North Carolina, you can throw out the "San Francisco" crack and all.

        Guess what? Bowling doesn't matter, and his skill at bowling doesn't matter. NOT. ONE. BIT. If you say it does, good chance you weren't going to vote for him anyway. It's apparently something he doesn't do very often, or he might be better at it. Last time I checked, he was probably too busy either being:

        A. A Senator

        B. Running for President

        Doesn't leave much time for the drinking game known as bowling.

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        • Author by wookie (April 15, 2008 7:41 am ET)
             
          But what if world leaders challenge him to a game of bowling with the fate of the world in the balance?
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          • Author by T-Hone (April 15, 2008 8:39 am ET)
               
            I can just picture it: Kim Jong Il, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Muammar Kaddafi, Vladimir Putin, and Bashar al-Asad gathered in the bowling alley of the Fortress of Doom, cackling and ready to push the "Big Red Button" unless the U. S. president can beat them in bowling by midnight.  
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      • Author by magnolialover (April 14, 2008 8:22 pm ET)
           
        Oh, and I know TONS of white middle class voters, and not many of them bowl...
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        • Author by snoopy (April 14, 2008 8:27 pm ET)
             

          Dude, next time I'm in W-S we should hook up for a beer!

          In the meantime, like I said - who works their butt off for a bowling scholarship? Who dedicates their life bowling in the hopes of being the next bowl master? It's like a dozen people a year, and they're all fat white rightwingers judging by the bowling channel.

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          • Author by jeter2 (April 14, 2008 9:19 pm ET)
               

            If you have matching bowling outfits  made out of fucia and black yer probably a rightwinger...

            It's like a dozen people a year, and they're all fat white rightwingers judging by the bowling channel.

            Snoop, there are times I'd like to whack ya on the nose with a newspaper. Or beat you unconscious with one.

            Newsflash: Democrats, especially in Pennsylvania & across the Midwest also bowl. Hell they even bowl up here in New England. Bowling is not restricted to Republican/Conservatives.

            I find it a tad troubling that a Lib would stereotype bowlers. Especially since you'd be one of the first here to charge that those same rightwingers out there that you're ridiculing, stereotype others. You sound like an elitist ;-)

            I haven't gone bowling in I don't know how many years. Can't even tell you the last time I was in a bowling alley. And I could care less if Obama, or any Presidential candidate bowls. Or hunts, fishes, golfs, plays hoops...well you get the idea. And quite frankly, I think for most folks this is all a great big non-issue.

            The media keeps this silly bowling thing going, but your remarks about rightwingers are as off the mark as theirs.

            Now having said all that, you're still my bud :-)

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            • Author by snoopy (April 14, 2008 9:40 pm ET)
                 
              Whack away, Jet! You keep forgetting I grew up in frankfort, MI. We had 2 bars, one movie screen and a bowling alley. In the winter, we went bowling cause they had heat. We drank. We had fun. In a town of 2000 people in the summer, we had 3 poople's who took bowling seriously, and my dad was one of them. He paid big bucks for that perfectly weighted ball with the perfectly drilled finger holes and he still sucked! Musta been because he was socializing with his buds and drinking is my guess! ;)
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            • Author by snoopy (April 14, 2008 9:42 pm ET)
                 

              P.S. you know I'm just tryin' to draw in right wing extremists for the kill, right? ;)

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              • Author by jeter2 (April 14, 2008 10:04 pm ET)
                   
                Snoop,

                 

                While you're drawing in all them rightwing extremists for the kill, why not draw in all them leftwing moonbats for slaughter as well? Seriously you'd be doing a great service for our nation :-)

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            • Author by juliajayne (April 14, 2008 9:42 pm ET)
                 
              Oh, baby. Did you get your feelings hurt by the lib posters here? I'm sorry that you got your feelings hurt (that sound like any fat rightwinger to you ;-)). Hey, just kidding around. I tend to see people who care about bowling scores and thinking that it matters as a conncetion to regular people as being a right wing concern. But you are exceptional as rightwingers go. And handsome too.
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              • Author by juliajayne (April 14, 2008 9:43 pm ET)
                   
                And Sir Jeter, don't whack my favorite dawg. I ruv him.
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                • Author by jeter2 (April 14, 2008 10:09 pm ET)
                     

                  Well yes Miss Julia I did feel a tad put out by the Snoop's remarks, you know how I hate them generalizations about my fellow righties ;-) But I feel better hearing you say I'm exceptional. Oh and of course handsome :-) You do know how to wrap me around your little finger. 

                  And I promise I would never lay a newspaper on Snoop, though I am a bit jealous that you "ruv" him...

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                  • Author by snoopy (April 14, 2008 10:15 pm ET)
                       
                    dawgs and "men" Jet! We cam be Scooby and Shaggy.
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                    • Author by eweston8542983 (April 14, 2008 11:36 pm ET)
                         

                      Jeter has many talents, I just don't know if he can say Zionks! with any authority. I shudder to consider the image of jeter as a hippy. The image might not survive him.

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

                       

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                      • Author by anotheramerican (April 15, 2008 11:43 am ET)
                           

                        Ewe,

                        Everyone knows that's spelled ZOINKS!  Sheesh. ;-)  

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            • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 15, 2008 12:54 pm ET)
                 

              Hell they even bowl up here in New England.

              Candlepins ain't bowling. 

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          • Author by magnolialover (April 15, 2008 12:41 am ET)
               
            You let me know when you're in state, and we'll drink. I don't live too far away from the WS. Good town. I still have a bunch of friends there.
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      • Author by solon (April 14, 2008 8:53 pm ET)
           
        No it doesnt. He is a bad bowler. So what. So am I but my wife and I enjoyed doing it every now and then. The idea it is some window into his soul is ludicrous on the face of it.
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      • Author by achrispage6992 (April 15, 2008 7:49 am ET)
           

        Hogprint,

        It is so important to be objective. You have obviously taken the words of Obama and their subsequent mischracterizations without even trying to see the other side and make an informed judgement. I will help you do this since it is obvious that you can't do this on your own. Read this:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-coleman/i-was-there-what-obama-re_b_96553.html, make your decision and at least it will be an informed judgment.

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    • Author by noconspiracy (April 14, 2008 8:25 pm ET)
         

      It's only a matter of time before the right-wingers claim Obama has "muslim hair", if they haven't done so already. After all, Kerry "looks French", doesn't he?

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      • Author by snoopy (April 14, 2008 8:29 pm ET)
           
        Haven't you heard? It's ok to say racist things as long as you don't deny minorities a job. Expect "nappy" to make a comeback soon.
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    • Author by bruce1ace (April 14, 2008 8:26 pm ET)
         
      Rumor has it that Obama is planning to outlaw bowling if he wins.  Pass it on.
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      • Author by mescal (April 14, 2008 9:27 pm ET)
           
        Expect to hear it tomorrow on Hardball.
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 14, 2008 10:03 pm ET)
             
          You lie, Bruce. He's just proposed a 5 day "cooling off" period before you put those rental shoes on. I think it's a good idea.
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (April 15, 2008 10:20 am ET)
               
            Well...they'll take my bowling ball away when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!  Steeerike...!!!   ;>)
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (April 15, 2008 10:20 am ET)
               
            Well...they'll take my bowling ball away when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!  Steeerike...!!!   ;>)
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          • Author by IRONY 101 (April 15, 2008 10:20 am ET)
               
            Well...they'll take my bowling ball away when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!  Steeerike...!!!   ;>)
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (April 15, 2008 10:23 am ET)
           
        Well...they'll take my bowling ball when they pry it from my cold dead fingers. Steeerike...!!!   ;>)
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    • Author by Science101 (April 14, 2008 8:42 pm ET)
         
      At least this guy has basketball to fall back on.  37 after 7 frames is not only awful, not to mention that my 4yr old niece could beat him, but its helpless.
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      • Author by snoopy (April 14, 2008 8:46 pm ET)
           
        your 4 year old niece has the gutter bumpers up. Matter of fact, you do too.
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      • Author by TadekKorn (April 15, 2008 4:37 am ET)
           
        No matter what the discussion, Columbus1492 proves again that he's an idiot!  Way to go!
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    • Author by laughinglefty (April 14, 2008 8:46 pm ET)
         
      I'll bet none of these three talking heads either drinks beer nor bowls. At least Obama smokes and he's probably not much worse at bowling than I am. That's something this bitter white working poor prol can identify with (not that it would effect my vote one way or the other). Clinton's or McCain's millions? Not so much so.
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    • Author by tex (April 14, 2008 9:40 pm ET)
         

      Ah, the rightwing war of attrition.

      Trying to persuade this splinter group and that to NOT vote for Obama, to NOT vote for Hillary. Hillary's shrill. The shrill-hating faction must necessarily vote for McCain. Obama's an elitist. People vested in CLASS WARFARE must then vote McCain, since nobody's accused HIM of being elitist (not even his billionaire spouse). Shave off those bowlers. Obama can't bowl well, so the VOTER who judges everything on bowling ability must assume that McCain is deserving of their vote instead, since they can imaging he can bowl. The BITTER folks in small towns must use that bitterness to reject Democrats, and to embrace Republicans. Makes no difference if the things that have made them bitter were all caused BY Republicans.

      Yup, it's this group and that, parse a sentence and decide who the Democrats have "insulted", and then work hard to turn those voters into the Republican camp.

      Maybe this war of attrition will blindside voters, and make them forget about Bush's terrible reign, the war, the economy, the torture, the traitorous exposure of CIA assets, all that stuff. Hell, Obama can't bowl, so that means we MUST put McCain in the White House to continue Bush's programs. Makes perfect sense ... to an imbecile. 

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    • Author by eddy3957 reregistered (April 15, 2008 12:06 am ET)
         

      Bowling prowess as the measure of a potential president peculiar?  Unfair when applied to one candidate and not another?  Yes, but as JFK said, life is not fair.  He avoided being photographed playing golf because, especially back then, it would play into the hands of adversaries and a skeptical public who would paint him as aristocratic and therefore one who wouldn't likely look out for the common man.  On the other end of the spectrum he avoided being photographed with a hat to avoid the ethnic association which existed at that time, so as not to appear as a commoner either.  The dynamic of the non real American having to be more on guard is not new.

       

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      • Author by eddy3957 reregistered (April 15, 2008 12:19 am ET)
           

        Just occured to me how odd it seems that Sen. Kerry was not more politically  savvy in this regard.   Hailing from the same state as Kennedy, being similarly  non-Protestant, the super expensive bike and the wind surfing seem even worse oversights.  I suppose he thought those days were behind us.

         

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    • Author by knowlies (April 15, 2008 1:26 am ET)
         
      I demand footage of McCain shooting hoops.
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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (April 15, 2008 12:59 pm ET)
           
        After he shoots them he has them mounted as trophies.
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    • Author by DougReese (April 15, 2008 2:16 am ET)
         
      Sorry, won't be any footage of him shooting hoops. That's connected with him being an ex-con & a graduate of the University of Hoa Lo. That, and the swan dive & swim he took just prior to entering the university.

      Doug Reese
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    • Author by Eric Jaffa (April 15, 2008 3:16 am ET)
         

      I can't relate to Jon Decker as a reporter because I've never seen him bowl.

      Maybe he bowls much better than I do.

      Maybe he bowls much worse than I do.

      Unless I find out that his bowling ability is similar to my own, maybe I should ignore him as a reporter.

      (sarcasm) 

       

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    • Author by ajwan (April 15, 2008 8:24 am ET)
         

      Media gets it wrong again.

      It's about darts not bowling.

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    • Author by nerzog (April 15, 2008 9:25 am ET)
         
      I thought Jon Stewart had a brilliant take on this nonsense last night. In essence, he said that he WANTS his president to be an elitist. We've had 7 years of a "good ole boy" Presidency, AND IT SUCKS! As usual, Stewart gets to the heart of the matter with biting humor, offering much more intelligent insight than the clowns who pretend to be "real journalists".
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (April 15, 2008 9:42 am ET)
         

      When campaigning George W. Bush  cultivated an image as a regular guy...and we all know how THAT turned out.  ;>)

      I don't care if Obama is lousy at bowling, darts, chugging beer or any other regular guy endeavor so long as he won't start unnecessary wars and get thousands of young Americans killed when he's elected President.

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      • Author by magnolialover (April 15, 2008 10:06 am ET)
           

        Thing of it is though, and that whole "truth" part is that Bush was brought up in CT, NOT Texas. He's about as much of a Texan as I am. Raised in CT, summering in Maine. Yeah, that's about as NOT elitist as one could get. That and his dad was a high ranking diplomat and politician, and not to mention, President of the United States of America. His granfather, also wielded considerable power and clout. And W? Yale undergrad. Harvard master's degree. If that's not elitist (regardless of HOW he got there) I'm not sure what is really.

        Bush isn't even close to being a regular guy. Heck, the only jobs he had before he was President were due to his Dad getting him said jobs (OK maybe Gov of Texas as well), and heck, he FAILED at all of those. If I had a resume like his, I'd never work again.

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        • Author by IRONY 101 (April 15, 2008 10:10 am ET)
             
          It's all image...like in the movies.  A REAL "real person" comes along and people don't know what to make of him.
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    • Author by pithaughn (April 15, 2008 10:57 am ET)
         

      I recently attended a 50 year birthday party at the Lucky Stike lanes in Hollywood CA. Much to my surprise Tom Cruise was there (not in the party mind you) with his lovely family enjoying an evening at the bowling alley. So, there you go, for what ever it's worth.

      Also, as teenagers, we would steal some balls from a bowling alley, and then throw them out the window of Mrs. L's mark 4 at 80 miles an hour. We called it "street bowling". Turns out a bowling ball makes a perfect hole in cinder block walls just like in road runner cartoons.

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      • Author by nerzog (April 15, 2008 11:08 am ET)
           
        I work in an advertising related job, and a few years ago it was "trendy" for yuppies to go bowling about once a month and rub elbows with the blue collar types. It was really just an excuse to get drunk in a place where no one would notice and laugh at the mullets. It was definitely a "fish out of water" type experience for a lot of them. Personally, I've bowled since I was 13, and it's the only "sport" I have a trophy in. Does that qualify me to be President? I wouldn't vote for me.
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        • Author by pithaughn (April 15, 2008 11:28 am ET)
             
          Ner, you can vote for me, I have a bowling trophy AND a golfing trophy AND I was employee of the month, May 1981 at the Bully Ranch in Vail CO.
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        • Author by solon (April 16, 2008 7:50 pm ET)
             
          I might vote for you based on your posts.
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    • Author by anotheramerican (April 15, 2008 11:57 am ET)
         

      The simple fact that it is just too easy and great TV to show a candidate making a fool (unintentional as it may be,) of himself/herself while trying to participate in some sporting endeavor.  Anybody remember Gerald Ford and golf? 

      How many times have you seen a notable flub their pitch to home plate on opening day?

      I've heard that no candidate likes to show up at sporting events because he/she will get boo'd.  

      I could care less about Obama's ability to bowl. Whoever set up that photo-op should be fired because of the image it conveys. It would have been a non-issue except that Obama was incredibly bad. Laughably bad. 

      I saw today some video of Obama playing hoops although I didn't see any of him making a basket. (Not that he couldn't, I just didn't see it.)  It looks to me that edited video effectively countered Obama's lack of bowling skills. 

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      • Author by pithaughn (April 15, 2008 12:18 pm ET)
           
        AA, I have a signature Jerry Ford sand wedge, made by McGregor with the presidential seal embossed with gold. Make me an offer.
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      • Author by magnolialover (April 15, 2008 12:45 pm ET)
           

        No. Some candidates, and or elected officials like to go to sporting events, because unlike our current commander in chief, they receive, get this, big applause and cheers! Bush, eh, not so much...

        I don't remember hearing that many boos for a President throwing out a first pitch in, well, ever.

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      • Author by roundhouse (April 15, 2008 12:47 pm ET)
           
        Yeah. I agree who cares Obama bowled a 37?

        It's not like he was out sport shooting, shot his buddy in the face and dodged police interviews for 12 hours. It's not like he rode his $2000 bicycle straight into a security agent.
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    • Author by rgkahn5220 (April 15, 2008 7:09 pm ET)
         
      I am a proud liberal-progressive liberal who likes to bowl. I will vote for any Democrat who wins the nomination. I am upset the Senator Clinton keeps pushing on how she is just like us. Please stop trying so-hard to be just like us, your a Senator not the UPS delivery driver. Your running to be President of the US of A. I thought that Senator Obama was also pushing the "just one of the guys" thing with the bowling, he has no clue about it. There should be a rule in Politics, if you don't do it in real life, don't try it when running for political office. Just a thought.
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