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Most national media yet to follow up on Project Vote Smart's reported vote to remove McCain from board for non-responsiveness

April 15, 2008 1:18 pm ET

SUMMARY: Most national media have yet to report on whether Sen. John McCain -- a member of the "Founding Board" of the nonpartisan voter education organization Project Vote Smart -- has been removed from the board for his failure to answer and return the group's Political Courage Test, which asks candidates about what policies they would support on a wide range of issues.

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The national media have been largely silent on whether Sen. John McCain has been removed from the "Founding Board" of the nonpartisan voter education organization Project Vote Smart (PVS) for his failure to answer and return the group's Political Courage Test, which asks candidates about what policies they would support on a wide range of issues. On April 7, Mother Jones magazine staff writer Jonathan Stein reported that "PVS has a rule that prohibits any nonrespondents from serving on its board" and wrote: "[A]fter more than seven months with no response from McCain, the organization's executive committee voted in February to remove the senator from the board on April 9 unless he submits his answers to the survey or a fellow board member objects to his removal by that date." But since Mother Jones reported that McCain would be removed from the board if he had not submitted the survey by April 9, Media Matters for America identified only two other national media outlets that have covered the story-- National Public Radio (NPR) and The Washington Times. While McCain is currently listed on PVS' website as a "Founding Board" member, Mother Jones, NPR, and the Times all reported on April 10 that McCain has been removed from the board.

On McCain's "Political Courage Test" page, PVS displays this message: "Senator John Sidney McCain III repeatedly refused to provide any responses to citizens on the issues through the 2008 Political Courage Test when asked to do so by national leaders of the political parties, prominent members of the media, Project Vote Smart President Richard Kimball, and Project Vote Smart staff." During the April 10 edition of NPR's The Bryant Park Project, Kimball said of McCain's failure to complete the test: "[I]t really surprised us. We're not sure what happened. We contacted him many, many times, I did it a number of times myself, and he's always faithfully taken it over the years. This is the first time that he has refused to respond to it, and it's obviously a little embarrassing for the Project, but it's not unique, it's happened to us before." Kimball added that McCain "actually had helped us write letters and compel other candidates to provide this information nationally, so it was a little -- it was a little unusual."

Mother Jones reported on April 7 that "[a]ccording to call records provided by PVS, the organization first contacted McCain's presidential campaign regarding the test late last June. After the senator failed to return the survey, PVS staffers were told that due to tumult within the campaign -- money was running low and staff turnover was high -- the test had gotten lost in the shuffle. Since then, however, 16 more phone calls have been made to the campaign, the most recent in late February, and eight emails have been sent." A February 1 Washington Times article quoted McCain campaign spokesman Brian Rogers stating about the campaign's failure to return the survey: "I don't think it's intentional. We have been focused on the primaries and apparently there was a delay." The Times added that "Mike Wessler, media director for PVS, also told The Washington Times that the McCain team told him that the questionnaire likely slipped through the cracks because of major restructuring and personnel turnover in the campaign."

McCain has responded to the questionnaire in the past -- reportedly having completed the survey for each of his campaigns since the survey was created in 1992. McCain has also urged others to complete the survey. An August 2004 editorial in the Centre Daily Times of State College, Pennsylvania, stated that "[q]uestionnaires were sent to all candidates, along with letters from McCain, former presidential candidate Michael Dukakis and others urging that the forms be completed and returned to Project Vote Smart." Project Vote Smart's website indicates that McCain asked nonrespondents to complete the questionnaire in 2006. An example:

[Tennessee state] Senator Douglas Henry [D] REPEATEDLY REFUSED TO PROVIDE ANY
RESPONSES TO CITIZENS ON ISSUES THROUGH THE 2006
NATIONAL POLITICAL AWARENESS TEST WHEN ASKED TO DO SO BY

Key national leaders of both major parties including:
John McCain, Republican Senator
Geraldine Ferraro, Former Democratic Congresswoman
Michael Dukakis, Former Democratic Governor
Bill Frenzel, Former Republican Congressman
Richard Kimball, Project Vote Smart President

Over 100 news organizations throughout the nation also urged their candidates to supply their issue positions through the National Political Awareness Test.

Mother Jones reported on April 10 that Project Vote Smart "confirm[ed] today that it has kicked John McCain off its board." In an April 10 post on his Washington Times blog, Stephen Dinan reported: "Sen. John McCain, a long-time board member of Project Vote Smart, was kicked off yesterday for failing to provide information about where he stands on key issues." And, on the April 10 edition of The Bryant Park Project, host Alison Stewart said during an interview with Kimball that McCain "was booted from the board for failing to complete the test."

Nevertheless, though some media outlets reported in the fall of 2007 that McCain had not completed the questionnaire, they have not followed up with PVS on McCain's status with the organization and the Founding Board.

During the 2000 presidential campaign, several national media outlets noted that Democratic presidential candidate and former Sen. Bill Bradley did not complete the organization's National Political Awareness Test questionnaire. Bradley previously served on PVS' board and, according to a January 2000 Associated Press article, resigned during the campaign, stating in a letter to the group: "I made an effort to resign from all the boards on which I sat. If you do not believe that that has happened with Project Vote Smart's current board, then please now consider this to be my resignation." The following national media outlets reported that Bradley did not complete the questionnaire: Associated Press (January 7 and 13, 2000); The Washington Post (January 17, 2000); The Washington Times (January 14, 2000); Los Angeles Times (March 6, 2000).

From the April 7 Mother Jones article, "Senator Straight Talk Won't Go on the Record with Project Vote Smart":

The Political Courage Test tries to pin down candidates to hard and fast answers about critical issues. Among other things, it asks them to state whether they aim to support funding increases or cuts, and to what degree, on a variety of spending issues, from defense to the arts to highway infrastructure. It is sent to state and federal candidates every time they run for office. The point of the exercise is to push candidates to be as detailed in their answers as possible-a prospect that may be unnerving to many politicians who like to preserve wiggle room for future political maneuvering.

According to Kimball, PVS has a rule that prohibits any nonrespondents from serving on its board. And, after more than seven months with no response from McCain, the organization's executive committee voted in February to remove the senator from the board on April 9 unless he submits his answers to the survey or a fellow board member objects to his removal by that date. "Assuming that John McCain doesn't change his mind or there's not some objection from board members, which hasn't happened, effectively on April 9 he will not be a member of our board," says Kimball.

Kimball has known McCain since he ran against him in 1986. "It wasn't a very pleasant race for either us," he says. "But we became friends after that. He was always a big supporter of the Project. It's personally very disappointing to me. I was surprised that he didn't do it."

From the April 10 edition of National Public Radio's The Bryant Park Project:

STEWART: So far, all three presidential candidates have declined to take the test and were rated with F's because the deadline passed a little while ago. But of the three candidates, one of them actually sits on the board of Project Vote Smart: Republican Senator John McCain. At least he did until yesterday.

That's right -- Senator McCain was booted from the board for failing to complete the test. Joining us now to discuss the Political Courage Test in general, and Senator McCain's situation in particular, is Richard Kimball, president of Project Vote Smart. Hi, Richard. Thanks for being with us here on the BPP.

KIMBALL: Hi. Thank you for having us on.

[...]

STEWART: Well, let's talk about Senator McCain, because his situation is a little different because, as we said, he was on the board of Project Vote Smart. For the record, The Bryant Park Project from NPR News did contact Senator McCain's office. We did not hear back from him about this issue. Has he taken the position -- has he taken the test before?

KIMBALL: Yes, he's always -- it really surprised us. We're not sure what happened. We contacted him many, many times -- I did it a number of times myself -- and he's always faithfully taken it over the years. This is the first time that he has refused to respond to it, and it's obviously a little embarrassing for the Project, but it's not unique, it's happened to us before.

We had the same problem with Bill Bradley, who was on the board trying to build this -- what we call "voter-self-defense system" with us in 2000 and it -- so it's not unique, but it's unusual and it surprised us. It was very disappointing.

STEWART: I can imagine it surprised you, because you know Mr. McCain personally, Senator McCain personally. You ran against him for Senate back in 1986.

KIMBALL: Yeah, that was Barry Goldwater's seat. He was retiring and I was the Democratic nominee, and we had a pretty tough campaign, but we had become friends over the years and I was a little -- I was pretty surprised. He actually had helped us write letters and compel other candidates to provide this information nationally, so it was a little -- it was a little unusual.

STEWART: We're speaking with Richard Kimball, president of Project Vote Smart. How aggressive has Project Vote Smart been about pursuing the candidates about this particular test?

KIMBALL: We contact the candidates at least a minimum of six times. Major leaders of their own parties write the candidates trying to ask them to do the right thing and provide this information to citizens. There's over 200 major news organizations all over the country that have helped us, including some NPR stations around the country, Boston Globe, Chicago Tribune, San Jose Mercury News, Dallas Morning News. All over the country they editorialize: "Will you not do the right and honorable thing and provide this to citizens?" It's a huge, massive effort that is duplicated every two years, but again, exclusively for the purpose of measuring a candidate's willingness to provide this and see if the democracy, in a sense, is deteriorating. People are becoming less and less able to get straight answers from candidates.

STEWART: Are you concerned about becoming irrelevant if people aren't going to be willing to engage in this with your project?

KIMBALL: Oh no, it's actually a minor part of our operation. We collect every single vote that they make, every single public utterance in keyword searchable databases, every bit of their campaign finances, all the evaluations done on them, all of the biographical details. We have huge teams of people that track every single one of these candidates in a database of people.

It allows the citizen not to have to listen to this self-serving hype anymore. They can just type in their zip code and all the candidates that are running for office from their area from president on down appear. They can instantly see how they voted on key issues. If they want to type in the word "immigration," they can see anything they ever uttered about that subject.

From the August 1, 2004, Centre Daily Times editorial (accessed via the Nexis database), "Working to get potential voters interested, active":

Project Vote Smart is soliciting information from candidates in this fall's races, including those in local legislative campaigns and the race for the U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania.

The effort is partially funded by the Knight Foundation and is striving for participation from everyone who will appear on ballots this year.

The Centre Daily Times is a partner newspaper in the project.

Questionnaires were sent to all candidates, along with letters from McCain, former presidential candidate Michael Dukakis and others urging that the forms be completed and returned to Project Vote Smart, which will make the results available on the Web site.

Congressional candidates are being asked to rank their priorities for federal funding from among a list that includes agriculture, the arts, defense, education, the environment, homeland security, national parks, public health and transportation.

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    • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 1:31 pm ET)
         

      Wow.  This should be front page, breaking news alerts, developing story with every beat reporter on McCain's tale sniffing and scratching as to what is going on here, and reporting it from every conceivable angle.

      Darn conservative media. 

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      • Author by edella1793 (April 15, 2008 1:41 pm ET)
           
        No, it's better that the media spend more time conflegrating the already manufactured "bittergate" story. Things like policy don't really matter.

        With the dollar losing value the way it has I think your two cents aren't worth all that much.
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        • Author by Genghiz (April 15, 2008 1:50 pm ET)
             
          Have Sens. Obama and Clinton filed their responses as yet? I'm guessing not considering that MMFA would have mentioned this in the first paragraph - if true.

          Sen. McCain needs to be excused on the same grounds that MMFA uses for Democrats - the other side didn't file their responses either. 
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          • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 3:27 pm ET)
               

            "Have Sens. Obama and Clinton filed their responses as yet?"

            Are Clinton or Obama members of the PVS Founding & Executive Board?

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            • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 3:30 pm ET)
                 
              Considering it's a non-partisan voting education board, I doubt it.  Obama?, I can see him there someday........Hillary?, HAHA!!
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    • Author by edella1793 (April 15, 2008 1:37 pm ET)
         
      Of course he's not going to fill out the questionnaire. He doesn't want to let people know more detailed specifics about his policy agenda. Because then we would see that he's is now where close to the moderate republican maverick he's been made out to be. But really all one has to do is look at his voting record (or lack thereof) in the senate to see where he is ideologically.

      I find it a little curious there is no mention of Clinton's or Obama's response to the questionnaire, assuming they where also given the test.
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    • Author by proudconservative (April 15, 2008 1:41 pm ET)
         

      Have either Senators Clinton or Obama sent their forms in?  Are we even in the general election yet?  Do the questions include the level of racial diversity in the background of photos take of Mrs. Obama?  Do they include the number of times the candidate has dodged snipper fire? Or, the difference between Iraq and Iran and Al Quieda?

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      • Author by proudconservative (April 15, 2008 1:50 pm ET)
           

        Have either Senators Clinton or Obama sent their forms in?  Are we even in the general election yet?  Do the questions include the level of racial diversity in the background of photos take of Mrs. Obama?  Do they include the number of times the candidate has dodged snipper fire? Or, the difference between Iraq and Iran and Al Quieda?

        Answers to above: 

        NO,  

        It depends on the meaning of what 'is general election' is, 

        If you are asking that you must be a bitter small town immigrant hating bowler, 

        Hey, I made those statements at 11 pm, err I'm 60 you know, err  Let's have a beer and a shot!  and 

        " I don't know the difference between Shitte and Shinnola." (a previous slam by a blogger to this poster, and a good one at that!)

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        • Author by Governor (April 15, 2008 1:52 pm ET)
             
          This forum is not your dumb it down playground.
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          • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 2:06 pm ET)
               
            Oh, the irony of that statement is absolutely delicious.
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          • Author by proudconservative (April 15, 2008 2:25 pm ET)
               

            Well thanks then for dumbing us up here on the bitter small town playground!

            By the way, your moniker sounds eltist to me?  Are you governing us or are we to control the people?  Which is it?

            Just dying to know!

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      • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 3:07 pm ET)
           

        "Have either Senators Clinton or Obama sent their forms in?"

        Are Clinton or Obama members of the PVS Founding & Executive Board? 

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    • Author by Governor (April 15, 2008 1:48 pm ET)
         
      It's worth noting that Sen. Obama and Sen. Clinton have also not submitted their forms.
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      • Author by Genghiz (April 15, 2008 1:53 pm ET)
           
        True but this case is supposedly different because Sen. McCain is on the board of Project Vote Smart. /sarcasm

        Holding politicians to differing standards of ethical behavior based on their party affiliation is standard practice at MMFA.


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        • Author by jeter2 (April 15, 2008 2:11 pm ET)
             

          MMFA only reports the bad stuff Conservatives do, even if the Liberals are doing the same bad stuff or worse. And if we mention the Liberals are just as guilty or more guilty, it's a strawman argument or some such nonsense. I dunno, you figure it out ;-)

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          • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 3:08 pm ET)
               

            "MMFA only reports the bad stuff Conservatives do, even if the Liberals are doing the same bad stuff or worse."

            Are Clinton or Obama members of the PVS Founding & Executive Board? 

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            • Author by Governor (April 15, 2008 3:16 pm ET)
                 
              No.
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              • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 3:25 pm ET)
                   

                So that means they're not doing the same thing.

                Wow, even I was able to figure it out.

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                • Author by jeter2 (April 15, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
                     

                  Did they [Obama-Clinton] turn in their Political Courage Test?

                  No.

                  Yeah it's the same thing.

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                  • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
                       
                    If Hillary Clinton passes a political courage test, I wanna know!
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                  • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
                       

                    No, it's not the same thing.

                    They, like McCain, apparently don't care, but they, unlike McCain are not founding members who started the organization.

                    Any report of McCain blowing this off should include that Clinton and Obama are as well, but it should also mention that McCain helped found the organization.  They could also mention that Vote Smart exempted Ralph Nader for reasons that aren't entirely clear. 

                     

                     

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                    • Author by jeter2 (April 15, 2008 3:51 pm ET)
                         

                      Any report of McCain blowing this off should include that Clinton and Obama are as well

                      Yet MMFA doesn't mention it. Why? Oh yeah I know they only point out bad Cons. Whatever.

                      Bottom line, omit Clinton & Obama, then don't carp about McCain. None of them turned in this test. Whether McCain is on the board on not should matter LESS than the fact that all 3 did not turn in a test. This is just more desperate nit-picking by MMFA.

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                      • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 3:59 pm ET)
                           

                        It is rather humorous that when all the flap about the candidate's tax returns were buzzing around, MMFA always said "well, what about MCCAIN'S returns?"

                        Now that the shoe is on other foot, no mention of Obama or Clinton. 

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                        • Author by Governor (April 15, 2008 4:05 pm ET)
                             
                          McCain's a founding member of PVS, Tommy. This would be the same as the tax return issue if McCain was a founding father.
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                          • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 4:08 pm ET)
                               
                            It's about selective outrage Governor....darn, between you and the Colonel, that whole "over the head" thing is sure rearing up again.
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                            • Author by Governor (April 15, 2008 4:10 pm ET)
                                 
                              But I'm not outraged.
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                              • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
                                   

                                You really can't follow post to post can you? 

                                MMFA's selective outrage.  Now go climb on a house so these things won't go over your head anymore  ;)

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                                • Author by Governor (April 15, 2008 4:18 pm ET)
                                     
                                  MMfA is not outraged, they're simply documenting stuff that the media misses the mark on.  You, however, appear insulting and hostile.
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                                  • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 5:04 pm ET)
                                       
                                    My little ;) appears hostile and insulting Governor?  How so?
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                                    • Author by Governor (April 15, 2008 5:21 pm ET)
                                         

                                      "go climb on a house so these things won't go over your head anymore"

                                      This is insulting. 

                                      [And, I'm done w/ you and your 'insult the so-called hysterical-liberal-hypocrites-but what about Hillary-WITH-look over here-but that's not specifically what I said-I'm sorry if you can't see that through your thick partisan glasses-thread derailing game', so don't bother replying]

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                                      • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 5:24 pm ET)
                                           
                                        Gov, If you can't take it, then don't dish it out - like telling me to fcuk off, or linking to a cartoon bashing genitals.  Nobody insults like you, sorry if your skin is so thin.
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                                        • Author by Governor (April 15, 2008 5:28 pm ET)
                                             
                                          No, I'm just bored w/ your game.  Goodbye.
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                                          • Author by jeter2 (April 15, 2008 5:31 pm ET)
                                               

                                            Gov missed his nap today. He's cranky ;-)

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                                            • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 6:03 pm ET)
                                                 

                                              Exactly J, and how appropriate the Governor's own words are, "a game", here.

                                              That's all this is to him, undoubtedly, a game - as he scoots around and peppers these threads with silly "why" questions and derailing irrelevancies to pick apart and parse words until his temper gets the best of him, he levels out a beaut of an insult, and then says "Goodbye".

                                              A mental health break, nonetheless. 

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                        • Author by solon (April 16, 2008 8:06 pm ET)
                             
                          They were all in EXACTLY the same position. Not wanting to fill out the questionare is one thing when you are running it is HYPOCRISY when you are a founding member of the group and on the board. I mean he expects OTHERS to make the committment but HE dodges it so it is NOT the same thing.
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                      • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
                           

                        MMFA links you to a Washington Times article that tells you who did answer.   MMFA also links you to a WaTimes post and an NPR trasncript that also specifically mention that Obama and Hillary chose not to respond. 

                        If MMFA was truly trying to hide these facts from you, would they link you to three different sources

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                        • Author by jeter2 (April 15, 2008 4:32 pm ET)
                             

                          Come on Pete, why not include the fact that Clinton & Obama chose not to respond to the test in the article instead of tucking it away in a link?

                          I'll tell you why, because IF they'd included it in the body of the article it would have caused more than me & a few others to ask WITH?

                          If I helped start a club & therefore sat on the board, & you, Tommy & myself did not pay our dues...then that's the story. Me getting kicked off the board may be an added consequence, but it's not the pertinent part of the story. The non-payment of dues by Pete, Tommy & Jeter is.

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                          • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 5:04 pm ET)
                               

                            Why not include the fact that Clinton & Obama chose not to respond?

                            The media already told us they didn't, that's why.

                            MMFA feels its job is to tell us what the media hasn't told us, or to tell us that the media hasn't told us "loudly enough", that's why. 

                            Clinton and Obama are not on the PVS board, that's why. 

                            Clinton and Obama don't have a 15-year legacy of participating and encouraging other candidates to participate, that's why. 

                            Clinton and Obama aren't the ones facing "disciplinary action" (LOL) because of it, that's why.

                            The organizations that candidates choose to be a part of has been made into a huge campaign issue, that's why. 

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                            • Author by jeter2 (April 15, 2008 5:23 pm ET)
                                 
                              Give me a break Pete, IF Obama & Clinton had turned in their tests it would have been included in the body of the article not in a link.

                               

                              The problem here is you think MMFA doesn't have an agenda, that they are just some watchdog group who is open & honest. Sorry to burst your bubble, but they have an ulterior motive when they omit certain facts in their articles & link them instead.

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                              • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 6:04 pm ET)
                                   

                                "you think MMFA doesn't have an agenda"

                                Wrong, I think that MMFA does have an agenda, a partisan one, and it's spelled out in their mission statement as a partisan one. 

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                                • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 6:11 pm ET)
                                     
                                  But then don't get upset when that partisanship is displayed and pointed out by those who try and introduce another viewpoint.  Just because MMFA doesn't include it in their work, doesn't mean it isn't valid and worthy of discussion.
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                                  • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 6:13 pm ET)
                                       
                                    That's right, I keep forgetting your rule, "other viewpoints" are not subject to criticism themselves, otherwise that makes me a "forum monitor" with "delicate sensibilities."
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                                    • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 6:32 pm ET)
                                         
                                      I don't believe what I said, but if that's what you took from it, so be it.
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                                      • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 6:57 pm ET)
                                           

                                        Telling the WITH Patrol to go somewhere else is a ship that sailed from me a long time ago.  I've tried to go after the WITH Patrol's "opposing viewpoints" exclusively, without the personal BS or any of the "if you don't like it, leave" mandates.  But even the effort to "criticize the criticism" has been met with accusations of "forum monitoring" to protect the "sensibilities of the political left," or in this case, my critique of the criticism is construed as me being "upset" by other viewpoints.

                                        Pretend it didn't happen if it makes you feel better. 

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                          • Author by Governor (April 15, 2008 5:04 pm ET)
                               

                            I'll tell you why, because IF they'd included it in the body of the article it would have caused more than me & a few others to ask WITH?

                             

                            Look on the bright side, they gave you more to "WAAH!" about....

                            Waah!!!

                            Info's more than one mouse click away ! ! !

                            Waah!!!

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                            • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 5:08 pm ET)
                                 

                              Governor, You appear hostile and insulting. 

                              Scratch that, you are hostile and insulting.  Better watch that.  Carry on. 

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                              • Author by jeter2 (April 15, 2008 5:26 pm ET)
                                   

                                Tommy,

                                Do me a favor & change Gov's diaper & give him his binky. His crying is annoying ;-)

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                          • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 6:24 pm ET)
                               

                            "IF they'd included it in the body of the article it would have caused more than me & a few others to ask WITH?"

                            Given MMFA's continued persistence, in the WITH Patrol's view, in not adhering to their stated mission, do you really think they are concerned about you and "a few others" asking the same old question?  I'm not telling you to stop, mind you, because the last thing I wanted to be accused of for the 100th time is "monitoring" the forums.  I just think you've got some slight delusions of grandeur happening.
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                            • Author by pete592 (April 15, 2008 6:26 pm ET)
                                 

                              Oh great, the micro text is back.  Let's try it again:

                              "IF they'd included it in the body of the article it would have caused more than me & a few others to ask WITH?"

                              Given MMFA's continued persistence, in the WITH Patrol's view, in not adhering to their stated mission, do you really think they are concerned about you and "a few others" asking the same old question?  I'm not telling you to stop, mind you, because the last thing I wanted to be accused of for the 100th time is "monitoring" the forums to protect my "delicate sensibilities."  I just think you've got some slight delusions of grandeur. 

                               

                               

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                    • Author by Governor (April 15, 2008 3:54 pm ET)
                         
                      They did not send Nader the forms because he entered the race late.
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        • Author by solon (April 16, 2008 8:02 pm ET)
             
          No it isnt. You can pretend it is the same thing for candidates NOT affiliated with the Votesmart organization dodging a questionare and one of the FOUNDING MEMBERS of the group doing the same but it isnt. They didnt criticise him the removed him from the board. Did they remove Obama and Hillary from their board? Oh wait they werent ON the board. YOU making BS claims about this site now THAT is standard procedure
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    • Author by metaloutyourarse1031 (April 15, 2008 1:53 pm ET)
         
      I thought this site was supposed to be a watchdog group for what IS being reported/said, as opposed to suggesting what is newsworthy?
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      • Author by jeter2 (April 15, 2008 2:08 pm ET)
           

        I sometimes think THIS site isn't quite sure what it's mission is. But yes it's supposed to report MIS-information. Conservative style ;-)

        But if none of the 3 candidates have turned in this silly form, then WITH?

        And who is THIS group anyway? And who even cares?

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    • Author by Dem02020 (April 15, 2008 1:57 pm ET)
         

      Words are cool. They are the substance of yadda yadda yadda, you've heard it all before.

      But wait, in Truth, words are the substance of our Laws... True. Our Laws, and the Policy opinions behind them, are pure words. It's not yadda yadda yadda, when the words are the Law, and the Policy opinions about the Law.

      That "political courage test" seems like nonsense to me.

      "Indicate with a check or an X, which principle you support..."

      "Using the key provided, indicate what Federal funding levels (#1-6) you support, for what Federal programs..."

      "Put a check or an X next to statements that most describe your Policy opinions..."

      "Please check Yes No or Undecided, next to the following questions..."

       

      What the frig are we doing here, trying to find our next George Washington or Abraham Lincoln or FDR...

      ...or trying to match somebody up, on eHarmony?

       

      Ridiculous.

      Words are cool. Here's a cool one, from Merriam-Webster's (the Gold Standard in the definitions of words!)...

      PIGEON-HOLE: 3 : a neat category which usually fails to reflect actual complexities

       

       

       

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    • Author by Governor (April 15, 2008 3:20 pm ET)
         

      And who is THIS group anyway?

      http://www.votesmart.org/program_about_pvs.php

      And who even cares?

      http://www.votesmart.org/founding_board.php 

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      • Author by tommy (April 15, 2008 3:34 pm ET)
           

        Gee Governor, Jeter may respond for himself but I think his questions were rhetorical, I think?

        But thanks again for raising that old smarts level bar for the rest of us. 

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        • Author by therick (April 15, 2008 3:49 pm ET)
             

          "But thanks again for raising that old smarts level bar for the rest of us."--Tommy

          Now try to jump over it!  :-)

           

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        • Author by jeter2 (April 15, 2008 5:28 pm ET)
             

          Yeah Tommy they were rhetorical, but give Gov a break, he's a tad slow.

          ;-)

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      • Author by anotheramerican (April 15, 2008 4:06 pm ET)
           

        Hey Dukakis is on the founding board too.

        Has he replied this time around?  ;-)  

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 16, 2008 12:58 am ET)
             

          Oh no, AA, you've slipped back into the 80s ! You were up to "what the definition of 'is' is" from "where's the beef", but you seem to be backsliding! We may have to send Tommy & his Time Machine for you !  ;0)

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          • Author by anotheramerican (April 16, 2008 9:41 am ET)
               

            Col.

            I appreciate the attention but in case you haven't noticed it you're stalking me again in order and simply repeating snarky comments. Lets discuss issues and ideas.

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            • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 16, 2008 11:17 am ET)
                 

              ummm, these threads aren't your private backyard. You are free to post your tired, largely plagiarized, BS here. Don't cry when others comment. Tough up, little feller, nobody's going to hurt you, and I'm  only trying to help.

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