New Orleans visit offers media another chance to confront McCain with Hagee's just-repeated Katrina comments -- will they take it?
SUMMARY: Sen. John McCain is scheduled to visit Xavier University in New Orleans on April 24. On the April 22 edition The Dennis Prager Show, John Hagee -- whose endorsement McCain solicited and received -- affirmed his 2006 comment about Hurricane Katrina: "I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are -- were recipients of the judgment of God for that." Hagee's affirmation of his comments and McCain's scheduled trip to New Orleans two days later offer the media an opportunity once again to report the Katrina comment and other offensive remarks -- will they take it?
According to Sen. John McCain's campaign website, McCain is scheduled to visit Xavier University in New Orleans on April 24. On the April 22 edition of Salem Radio Network's The Dennis Prager Show, televangelist John Hagee -- whose endorsement McCain solicited and recently said he was "glad" to have -- affirmed his 2006 comment about Hurricane Katrina: "I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are -- were recipients of the judgment of God for that." As the blog Think Progress noted, on The Dennis Prager Show, host Dennis Prager asked Hagee: "[I]n the case of New Orleans, you do feel that God's hand was in it because of a sinful city?" Hagee responded, "That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes." As Media Matters for America has noted, in reporting on Hagee's endorsement of McCain and McCain's embrace of that endorsement, the media have largely ignored Hagee's controversial comments, particularly the Katrina comment. But Hagee's affirmation of his earlier comments and McCain's scheduled trip to New Orleans two days later offer the media an opportunity once again to report on those comments -- will they take it?
Media Matters has documented (here, here, here, here, here, and here), the disparity between the media's extensive coverage of controversial comments made by supporters of Sen. Barack Obama and their coverage of controversial comments made by Hagee and other supporters of McCain. While there have been media reports on McCain's repudiation of Hagee's comments related to Catholics, the media have largely ignored remarks Hagee has made about Hurricane Katrina, Islam, women, and homosexuality. On the April 20 edition of ABC's This Week with George Stephanopoulos, McCain stated that it was "probably" a mistake to solicit and accept Hagee's endorsement and stated that "I condemn remarks that are in any way viewed as anti-anything." Nevertheless, McCain said: "I'm glad to have his [Hagee's] endorsement."
During the April 22 appearance, Hagee also asserted:
HAGEE: The topic of that day was cursing and blessing. Moses taught in the book of Deuteronomy that everything in life is either a blessing or a curse. There are days that things happen that at the time look like a curse. In the passing of time, they may become what appears to be a blessing. An illustration is Joseph, when he was sold into slavery it looked like a curse, it looked like the worse day of his life. When his brothers came into Egypt looking for food, what looked like a bad day 13 years before turned out to be a blessed day. What happened in New Orleans looked like the curse of God, in time if New Orleans recovers and becomes the pristine city it can become it may in time be called a blessing. But at this time it's called a curse.
As Media Matters has noted, on the September 18, 2006, edition of National Public Radio's Fresh Air, Hagee said, "I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are -- were recipients of the judgment of God for that. The newspaper carried the story in our local area that was not carried nationally that there was to be a homosexual parade there on the Monday that the Katrina came. And the promise of that parade was that it was going to reach a level of sexuality never demonstrated before in any of the other Gay Pride parades." He later added, "I believe that the Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans."
From the April 22 edition of Salem Radio Network's The Dennis Prager Show, as transcribed by Think Progress:
PRAGER: Now, they have you on Hurricane Katrina, quote, from NPR two double-o six: "All hurricanes are acts of God because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." Go ahead.
HAGEE: Yes. The topic of that day was cursing and blessing. Moses taught in the book of Deuteronomy that everything in life is either a blessing or a curse. There are days that things happen that at the time look like a curse. In the passing of time, they may become what appears to be a blessing. An illustration is Joseph, when he was sold into slavery it looked like a curse, it looked like the worse day of his life. When his brothers came into Egypt looking for food, what looked like a bad day 13 years before turned out to be a blessed day. What happened in New Orleans looked like the curse of God, in time if New Orleans recovers and becomes the pristine city it can become it may in time be called a blessing. But at this time it's called a curse.
PRAGER: Right, but what you were saying and, I want to just make it clear that there is a divine hand in these natural acts and you see the divine hand in the hurricane that hit New Orleans.
HAGEE: If God is almighty and God is all powerful, God controls everything. If God does not control everything, he is not God. So the answer of that is yes.
PRAGER: Right. The only question, and this is not a challenge as much as my own theological question to that, is this is really Dennis speaking, not you know, not some official questioner. But if that's the case so that would hold true for the earthquake and the tsunami, the earthquake in southern California, the tsunami that hit Indonesia. Is that, so is there any natural disaster that is not the result of sin?
HAGEE: Well, I'm not saying it's a result of sin, I'm saying it's a result of God's permissible will. You cannot say that everything on the Earth that happens is sin. It was carried in a newspaper that there was going to be a massive homosexual rally there the following Monday. Ah, but and I believe that homosexual marriage is sin and I believe that it's an abomination because Moses said it was. But it is wrong to say that every natural disaster is the result of sin. It is a result of God's permissive will, but who no man on Earth knows the mind of God...
PRAGER: Right, but in the case, did NPR get, is this quote correct though that in the case of New Orleans you do feel it was sin?
HAGEE: In the case of New Orleans, their plan to have that homosexual rally was sin. But it never happened. The rally never happened.
PRAGER: No, I understand.
HAGEE: It was scheduled that Monday.
PRAGER: No, I'm only trying to understand that in the case of New Orleans, you do feel that God's hand was in it because of a sinful city?
HAGEE: That it was a city that was planning a sinful conduct, yes.
PRAGER: Ok, so that is the only I think, frankly, it's the only one they can get you on because people don't like to hear that sort of thing. But even so, I think that, I've always given religious people leeway, religious leaders on saying that we ourselves have sinned, and God has his own judgments. I mean the prophets used to do that, so that's you know, that's up to anybody to interpret the way they want. I mean, when the left says that we sin against the environment and we end up getting x or y, nobody says that that's illegitimate.
HAGEE: Well, I know that in our society, that is what I call politically correct, no one likes to hear that there is a God who has the power to correct man for his behavior that does not fall within the parameters of the word of God. That's why secular humanists hate the bible because it gives a definite standard of right and wrong. There's light and darkness, there's wheat and pears, there's sheep and goats. You can't be all things to all people. You either do live by the word of God or you don't live by the word of God. And there's nothing in between. And...and our secular permissive society, that's just a hateful idea.
PRAGER: Alright, I'm going to let you go, but...and I'm going to take calls that are coming in on this.














"I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they are -- were recipients of the judgment of God for that."--Hagee
It must be a coincidence that New Orleans is near the gulf, and one of the stormiest areas in the U.S. Another coincidence is that the levee's were built substandard. Therefore, Hagee must be patiently waiting for some type of storm to take down Las Vegas, since I'm confident that Hagee believes Las Vegas "has a level of sin that is offensive to God."
Make certain to stay below the limit. Unless you want a hurricane. :)
Make certain to stay below the limit. Unless you want a hurricane.
Ever notice how often Virginia Beach (home of Pat Robertson and his "700 Club") gets pounded by hurricanes?? And Colorado Springs (home of James Dobson and FoKKKus On The Family) regularly gets pounded by blizzards and hailstorms....
I must admit, I haven't noticed that. But, since they are good, God fearing Christians, those particular hurricanes must be the handywork of. . .
oh, I don't know. . .
could it be. . .
SATAN ?!?!?
BATTER UP !
[Where's my fabulous baseball cap?]
Is it? I'm right next door to Long Beach, and thanks to Worrierking, I know the "secret handshake" now. (Thanx, WK!)
I'll take an umbrella.and my fabulous hat.
Knowing the handshake is one thing, but making sure our children aren't exposed to homosexuality is even more important. I recommend reading this book to all children.
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/sissyreader.html
Holy hell, is that real? It sure looks real. I don't know that I can believe it's real though. I mean, they're supposedly Christians, but this seemingly offends their sensibilities:
"While other boys in the neighborhood are riding bikes and killing stray cats, Christopher loves to prance about, looking through his telescope, making maps of the stars and taking hot food to shut-ins."
Man, I hate kids who take hot food to shut-ins. They're so gay, they should die.
Really, if there is a hell, there is a special place reserved for this "pastor."
And my favorite line from the summary:
"They strip the little sissy of all his girlish clothes, righteously tell him that Jesus hates fems...then they sodomize him and throw stones at him until he dies."
and they sodomize him because you know, he's gay and all. Probably liked it, up until the stoning. </sarc>
Up here in NorCal, we're sinning with the best of them...still no natural disasters to make us pay for our sins...
I better delete my browser history, I think my computer might have "a level of sin that is offensive to god."
Does that mean that somewhere there is an "acceptable" level of sin? :-)
This whole guilt by association thing is getting ridiculous. You can't condemn Obama because of Wright's nutty comments, and you can't condemn McCain because of Hagees. People are responsible for their own words, not somebody elses....period. And people are not obligated to distance themselves or denounce every controversial comment made by someone who supports their candidacy, or has some association with them.
Stop criticizing Hannity then for his 24/7 Wright coverage and then get upset if McCain gets a pass. You can't have it both ways.
Col, Not that I give a hoot, but perhaps you'd better go back and read what you wrote on that thread, because you flat out denied then, what you are now admitting.
You know, it's not really fun arguing with you if you don't even know what your own opinions are anymore?
Colonel,
You were specifically asked if tax cuts for the wealthy are synonymous with entitlements, you responded at 2:32 on Thursday 4/17 - "You're wrong".
Now you say you were referring to tax cuts for the wealthy when speaking of entitlements.
It's all there Colonel on the "WSJ echoed McCain's dubious defense of vote against Bush tax cuts".
Now if you want to parse your way out of that, be my guest, but I suggest you just leave it alone to avoid further embarassment......back to cookin' chicken.
King, he's talking about a thread the other day about McCain's flip-flop on tax cuts. Just because I know that using righty buzzwords according to their actual meanings rattles the monkey cage, I referred to tax cuts for the wealthy as "entitlements".
It's a good simple word that means something to which one is entitled, but Tommy wanted my head. It was fun!
Like time off and paid vacations.
Another one of the things those union bastards shoved down our throats.
"Stop criticizing Hannity then for his 24/7 Wright coverage and then get upset if McCain gets a pass. You can't have it both ways. "--Tommy
Are you saying we should be upset if Wright gets a pass, then criticize McCain ?
Oh wait, I think I've got it: We should expect equal treatment of both candidates, right?
Perhaps you've noticed the equal thing isn't quite happening.
Maybe. But a better idea would be for the media to quit pointing out the bullsh!t and get to the substance--EQUALLY !
You got a problem with that?
And, truthfully, I guess I do want to know the dirt on all the candidates, but I don't want them to tell me that the Wright thing is dirtier than the Hagee thing when it's obviousely not.
"You [Rick] are the one saying you want McCain's association with Hagee treated as newsworthy as the Obama/Wright story. I am saying neither is worthy."--Tommy
I didn't say either was newsworthy. However, if they're going to continually harp on Obama/Wright, and not talk about McCain/Hagee, than there's no denying the media certainly leans right.
My preference (concerning these two stories) would be to hear about neither. But they've done a great job beating Obama over the head with words he never said, while giving McCain a pass on words he never said--proof of a vast right wing media.
But some of the guys on the other side will accuse you of being an elitist if you use words like "plethora".
You not an elitist are you?
Or French which is even worse.
Vous ne pouvez pas avoir su ceci, mais je suis un élitiste français.
Hi Tommy,
Since the Wright story is out of the bag, shouldn't those who are "concerned" about Reverend Wright get the whole story on McCain?
I agree that neither should be stories, but if one is a story, shouldn't the other be as well?
You have no association with the real world or intelligent thought.
McCain sought out the endorsement of Hagee. How is that not an association? Hagee didn't just jump up one day and say "I'm going to tell my flock to vote McCain." McCain went to him and said "Hey, could you tell your flock to vote for me?".
Actually, I will keep the Hagee thing going while giving Wright a pass.
Reverand Wright, who is the FORMER pastor of the church, doesn't get asked on national news to spew his bs. Hagee does - and his influence reaches farther than his church. I would submit that Wright, who may be considered an influential man in Chicago, is nothing compared to Hagee and the national platform given to Hagee. Hagee gets this natural platform because he loves Jeezus - and has a judgment call to make - against America - and how evil American society has become. Now, how is that any worse than Reverand Wright's "God D*mn America" sermon (which we can all agree, was taken out of context)?
And what the hell is it with these evangelical folks wanting to bring about armageddon? How is it that hurricanes and other natural disasters are somehow linked to a certain city's sins? This is just lunacy. Belief in that sort of nonsense belies logic - which to me, is the real offense against G-d.
Actually, Tommy, I think it's kind of like a baseball game where the umpire is calling balls that are low and outside strikes. Of course the hitters hate it, because they're getting penalized for bad pitch-calling. But as long as the umpire is making the call consistently (not sometimes calling a ball a strike, and sometimes not) and applying the call the same to both teams (not having a bigger strike zone for one team but not the other), then the teams and managers don't complain because no team is being given an unfair advantage.
So no, I really don't WANT McCain to be tarred with Hagee's comments. However, since we know that the media is not backing off of the unfair comments regarding Wright/Obama, it is not unreasonable to expect them to apply the same disgusting standards to the candidates of BOTH parties.
I might have to agree this time. While I think there's a distinction between Hagee and Wright (McCain solicited Hagee's endorsement, Obama didn't solicit Wright), it's not worth going into those weeds.
McCain is such a pathetic candidate that you can fill a 24/7 news network just hanging him by his own words.
Tommy, this is what my "huh" was directed at;
Stop criticizing Hannity then for his 24/7 Wright coverage and then get upset if McCain gets a pass. You can't have it both ways.
It sounded like you were saying that criticism of Hannity's obsession with Wright was wrong, and pointing out that the McCain/Hagee thing wasn't brought up was wrong, and that doing both was hypocritical. Excuse me if I didn't get it. It's a little confusing.
Tommy took his ball and went home; the right took pride in flogging Obama over Rev. Wright comments while giving MCCain a free ride regarding Rev. Hagee comments. Now that Hagee has repeated in 2008 his assertions from 2006 the right think that now it is not newsworthy or correct for a politician to be tied to a supporters comments.
Col,
I am saying you can't criticize Hannity for his 24/7 Wright obsession by saying it's out of bounds, or irrelevant......and then moan because the media doesn't do the same to McCain, thereby that would be OK with you. It's ridiculous for both, that is my point.
What has always creeped me out about the Hagee line on New Orleans is that he seems to be saying that God decided to destroy New Orleans for the sin of allowing homosexuality, then let the rich people and the homosexuals with cars get away from the city, and just killed the poor people who couldn't escape. You would think the wrath of God might be able to follow people wherever they go, but apparently not. If God was so angry about homosexuality, why kill only poor people? Why not throw in a homosexual or two? Because they have cars? Maybe this explains why after being attacked by Saudis based in Afghanistan, we invaded Iraq. Evidently, that's what these people think God does, so why not?
This is one of the reasons I can't be part of any organized religion. They really do seem to think that being created in God's image means that God is no better than us. They're capable of believing that God is little more than a sociopathic child who would build an ant farm just to set it on fire and watch the ants scramble for a way out. If I was Her, I'd be pissed.
Soon--SOON I SAY, there will be a number of hurricanes that will appear from the heavens. These hurricanes will appear right before our eyes, on our Sunday morning TV screens. And yea, these hurricanes will DESTROY these false profits who have stolen their riches from the poor and feeble with the promise of life ever after. These liars and sinners had better get right with the Lord, for only she knows the day when this blessed event will occur.
[We now return to our regularly schedualed program]
Christ Almighty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's all I have to say about this to and for everyone on every side.
oh my, hardly anyone died. maybe a thousand. ...rumplestilskin
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That just might be the dumbest thing ever posted on the Internet .. as well as one of the most callous. Pathetic...
we have natural disasters. people die. that's a fact. the number of people who perished in new orleans is a small number given the extent of the catastrophe. we all got to go sometime. you ain't gonna live forever friends.
sportsguydave is a fool
And you're an idiot, rumple ... but then again, we already knew that.
Thanks again tho for showing us what "compassionate conservatism looks like...
Now, if lightning bolts were coming out of the sky and zapping Drag Queens, as in War of the Worlds, leaving their feather boas in a smoldering heap, I'd start watching the skies for Jeeeeeezzzzzzuuuuuussssssss surfing down on a cloud. Gnarly.
Can't you just see him, with his tricked out surfboard, all buff, with washboard abs, riding the clouds down to Earth? That's HAWT! (sorry, Paris)
So according to the really super duper good xrishuns like Haggee, my office should be destroyed within a week or two after playing this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN1dPtEph2U
and yet here we are 1 year later still ROTFLOL while watching the most fabulous jesus actor ever and watching the funniets cover of a beach boys song ever.
http://www.bofunk.com/video/320/camel_toe.html
All we're asking is that the Corporate Media Whores devote as much bloviating to the asinine remarks of Hagee as they have to the asinine remarks of Wright. It won't happen, though, because the Evangelical Troglodytes who have the Republican party's gonads in a lockbox would have a hissy if Hagee's fantasies got equal time.
I see your point, though I've taken to changing the channel when either of the cretins are mentioned. But, if the corporate media spent more time dwelling on hagee's remarks and attributing his opinions to the Straight-Talker, then you'd be fine with them continuing to do the same in terms of Obama and wright, and Obama and ayers?
I don't see the sense in it. If it's dumb and unfair to do it to Obama, then it's dumb and unfair to do it to the Maverick. As the wise one, Bill O'reilly, says, 'you don't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior." I wish both hagee and wright got the coverage they deserved, which is none.
"the wise one, Bill O'reilly"
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Oh, I totally agree. But it's even more dumb and unfair to do it to Obama and not to Gramps.
If they were being even handed in their stupidity, it would be a little more tolerable.
What's funny is to see Joe Scarborough wring his hands about this stuff and claim that it's on the lips of every John Q. Citizen that he runs into. What Joe will not admit is that the reason it's on people's minds is because Media Whores like him have put it there.... over and over and over and over.
Thank God I'm an Atheist.
I can ignore both Wright and Hagee and the phonies who take their word as having some credible meaning.
Join me, won't you, in a trip down Reality Lane.
Personally, I am concerned for Pastor Hagee's soul. Doesn't he know that Gluttony is one of the seven deadly sins? It's right up there with Lust. I also worry about the soles of his feet, he's so fat he can barely walk. Perhaps he should remove that beam from his own eye, or risk the wrath of his own God? He gets angry, that Wrath another big one. And Pride...
The man has some self improvement to do.