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NBC's Mitchell said McCain took "very strong stand" against NC GOP's anti-Obama ad, but omitted pattern of smears benefiting McCain

April 24, 2008 2:21 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Reporting on an ad from the North Carolina Republican Party that attacks Sen. Barack Obama for his relationship with Rev. Jeremiah Wright, NBC News' Andrea Mitchell asserted that Sen. John McCain "is taking a very strong stand," telling the party "that he does not want them to run this ad." She later said that "John McCain immediately demanded that the North Carolina Republicans kill the ad." By simply reporting McCain's condemnation of the North Carolina ad, Mitchell was repeating a pattern in the media of allowing McCain, as Slate.com's Melinda Henneberger noted, to "take the high road," while his supporters engage in smears for his benefit.

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On the April 23 edition of NBC's Nightly News, NBC News chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell aired a portion of a recent ad from the North Carolina Republican Party that attacks Sen. Barack Obama for his relationship with his former pastor, Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr. Mitchell then stated: "[Sen.] John McCain immediately demanded that the North Carolina Republicans kill the ad." Earlier that day, during the 1 p.m. ET hour of MSNBC Live, Mitchell reported that McCain has "written a letter to the North Carolina Republican Party telling them that he does not want them to run this ad," and asserted of McCain: "He's obviously taking a very strong stand." Mitchell went on to ask McCain's senior economic adviser, former Rep. Jack Kemp (R-NY), "[W]hat does it say about the Republican Party that the North Carolina Republicans were planning to run this ad?"

What Mitchell did not report during either segment was that this isn't the first time McCain has repudiated an attack on Obama by a Republican state party. Nor did she report that members of McCain's own campaign have at least twice spread attacks on Obama's relationship with Wright from which McCain subsequently distanced himself. On the 4 p.m. ET hour of the April 23 edition of MSNBC Live, Slate.com contributor Melinda Henneberger commented on its effect: "McCain gets to have it both ways. He gets to take the high road and say that these attacks are absolutely unwarranted ... and yet the ads are still out there, no doubt doing him some good for the general [election]." By simply reporting McCain's condemnation of the North Carolina ad, Mitchell was repeating a pattern in the media of allowing McCain, as Henneberger noted, to "take the high road," while his supporters engage in smears for his benefit.

Previous examples of attacks on Obama that McCain subsequently denounced or distanced himself from include:

  • Following conservative radio talk-show host Bill Cunningham's attacks on Obama during a February 26 McCain rally, including Cunningham's repeated use of Obama's middle name, McCain condemned the comments. The New York Times reported that McCain said: "Whatever suggestion that was made that was any way disparaging to the integrity, character, honesty of either Senator Obama or Senator Clinton was wrong. ... I condemn it, and if I have any responsibility, I will take the responsibility, and I apologize for it." The Times added: "Mr. McCain called Mr. Obama a 'man of integrity' and said he was someone he had come to know 'pretty well and I admire.' He also said that it was not appropriate to invoke Mr. Obama's middle name. 'I absolutely repudiate such comments,' Mr. McCain said. 'It will never happen again.' "
  • A February 25 press release by the Tennessee Republican Party titled "Anti-Semites for Obama" stated in its original form: "The Tennessee Republican Party today joins a growing chorus of Americans concerned about the future of the nation of Israel, the only stable democracy in the Middle East, if Sen. Barack Hussein Obama is elected president of the United States." The party later added a "clarification" to the press release, stating that "in order to diffuse attempts by Democrats and the Left to divert attention from the main point of this release ... we have deleted the use of Barack Obama's middle name." McCain reportedly condemned the press release but later touted the endorsement of the Tennessee GOP chairman who was quoted in it attacking Obama.
  • The McCain campaign reportedly circulated to reporters a March 14 Wall Street Journal op-ed, in which Newsmax.com chief Washington correspondent Ronald Kessler wrote that "Obama's close association with Mr. Wright ... raises legitimate questions about Mr. Obama's fundamental beliefs about his country," which "deserve a clearer answer than Mr. Obama has provided so far." On March 14, the Politico's Jonathan Martin also reported that the McCain campaign "included an op-ed from the WSJ written by Ron Kessler about Obama's pastor today in its morning clips." Subsequently, McCain's campaign reportedly said it sent the op-ed "in error."
  • A McCain campaign aide reportedly distributed a video, titled "Is Obama Wright?" that, as the Politico's Martin also reported, "splices together the most inflammatory language of Jeremiah Wright with a series of other issues that have arisen in the campaign," and "includes footage of Malcolm X, the U.S. Olympians who raised their hand in the black power salute and the song 'Fight the Power.' " On March 20, Martin reported that "[a]n aide to John McCain was suspended from the campaign today for blasting out an inflammatory video that raises questions about Barack Obama's patriotism." Martin wrote that the staffer, "who works in McCain's political department, sent out the YouTube link of 'Is Obama Wright?' on twitter at 12:31 today with the tag, 'Good video on Obama and Wright.' It has since been taken down." Additionally, on the March 20 edition of CNN's The Situation Room, CNN Internet correspondent Abbi Tatton reported that "John McCain staffer Soren Dayton" viewed the video, "then sent it out through the website Twitter," and "[t]hat got Dayton suspended today from the McCain campaign."

By contrast, during the April 23 edition of the CBS Evening News, correspondent Dean Reynolds noted that while McCain has "disowned" the ad, "McCain has been down this path before, repeatedly apologizing or rejecting statements from supporters who have questioned Obama's patriotism." After airing a clip of Cunningham's repeated use of Obama's middle name at the February 26 McCain rally, Reynolds added: "But McCain's requests to stop such attacks have not been effective. In North Carolina, the Republicans put their ad on the Internet and say they're going to broadcast it as well. Today, Obama said McCain could do more to stop it." Reynolds then aired a video clip of Obama's response: "I assume that if John McCain thinks that it's an inappropriate ad, that he can get them to pull it down since he is their nominee and standard-bearer."

From the April 23 edition of NBC's Nightly News with Brian Williams:

MITCHELL: Obama was also under attack today from Republicans in North Carolina, where the state GOP prepared an ad criticizing his connection to his former pastor, the Reverend Jeremiah Wright.

NARRATOR [Republican ad]: He's just too extreme for North Carolina.

MITCHELL: John McCain immediately demanded that the North Carolina Republicans kill the ad.

McCAIN: We called and asked them not to run that message. It's not the message of the Republican Party.

MITCHELL: But McCain did not hesitate to call Obama an elitist for his remarks about people feeling bitter and clinging to their guns and faith.

McCAIN: I think those comments are elitist.

From the 1 p.m. ET hour of the April 23 edition of MSNBC Live:

MITCHELL: Jack, let me play for you an ad that the Republican Party in North Carolina was planning to run, and it's an attack ad against Barack Obama raising the issue of Reverend Wright.

[begin video clip]

NARRATOR: For 20 years, Barack Obama sat in his pew, listening to his pastor.

WRIGHT: -- and then wants us to sing "God Bless America"? No, no, no. Not "God bless America," "God [bleep] America."

[end video clip]

MITCHELL: Now, John McCain has written a letter and, I gather, has in the last few minutes, in fact, spoken out against this ad. He's written a letter to the North Carolina Republican Party telling them that he does not want them to run this ad. He said that "the television advertisement you are planning to air degrades our civics and distracts us from the very real differences we have with Democrats. In the strongest terms, I implore you to not run this advertisement."

He's obviously taking a very strong stand, but what does it say about the Republican Party that the North Carolina Republicans were planning to run this ad?

KEMP: Well, I think most people would understand that this is a state party in North Carolina. I agree with John. I don't think they need to run and shouldn't run that ad. The American people know exactly what Reverend Wright stands for. That's Barack Obama's problem, and it's going to stick to him for a long time to come.

I would like to see this -- and I think John has pointed this out -- that's it's better for our democratic process to talk about what you're for, not just against -- not what you're just against. And I think he has tried to lift the level of debate. It's going to be a tough campaign, but it's going to be respectful.

And I think John, in going to Selma, Alabama, and talking about John Lewis, the great civil rights leader, and going to Appalachia -- and, as I mentioned before, Andrea, going into Youngstown, Ohio, getting picketed for believing in free trade, is not all that bad. Because frankly, the enemy of the steelworker in Ohio or Buffalo, New York, is not in Japan or Germany or Brazil; the enemy are the tax policies and regulatory policies in Washington, D.C., and that's what John McCain is after.

MITCHELL: OK, Jack Kemp, former cabinet secretary, former congressman, and now the economic adviser -- top economic adviser --

KEMP: Thank you.

MITCHELL: -- to John McCain.

From the 4 p.m. ET hour of the April 23 edition of MSNBC Live:

CONTESSA BREWER (host): These attacks, are they because the GOP party in North Carolina wants to hurt Barack Obama before the general election? Or because they really are hoping that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic nominee?

HENNEBERGER: Well, whichever is the case, I think this is fantastic because McCain gets to have it both ways. He gets to take the high road and say that these attacks are absolutely unwarranted, as I think they are, and yet the ads are still out there, no doubt doing him some good for the general. So, whatever the motivations, I think it's a win-win for him.

From the April 23 edition of the CBS Evening News with Katie Couric:

REYNOLDS: An advertisement from the Republican Party of North Carolina.

NARRATOR: He's just too extreme for North Carolina.

REYNOLDS: For his part, Republican John McCain disowned it.

McCAIN: It's not the message of the Republican Party. It's not the message of my campaign. I sent them an email again today, asking them to pull down that ad.

REYNOLDS: But McCain has been down this path before, repeatedly apologizing or rejecting statements from supporters who have questioned Obama's patriotism.

CUNNINGHAM: Barack Hussein Obama --

REYNOLDS: But McCain's requests to stop such attacks have not been effective. In North Carolina, the Republicans put their ad on the Internet and say they're going to broadcast it as well. Today, Obama said McCain could do more to stop it.

OBAMA: And I assume that if John McCain thinks that it's an inappropriate ad, that he can get them to pull it down since he is their nominee and standard-bearer.

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    • Author by dazedandconfused26 (April 24, 2008 2:27 pm ET)
         
      "Funny thing about that little white speck on the top of chicken sh#t, that little white speck is chicken sh#t too."
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      • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 2:32 pm ET)
           
        what does that mean?
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        • Author by dazedandconfused26 (April 24, 2008 2:35 pm ET)
             
          It means even though McCain manages too look fairly clean most of the time, he's still just another neo con.
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          • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 3:11 pm ET)
               
            he may be a lot of things, but he's definitely not a neocon.
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            • Author by wzwriter (April 24, 2008 3:20 pm ET)
                 

              he may be a lot of things, but he's definitely not a neocon.

              He sure as hell ain't no liberal, which is what the Limbaughs and Levins are calling him.

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            • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 3:58 pm ET)
                 
              And thank God for that.
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            • Author by worrierking (April 24, 2008 8:45 pm ET)
                 

              OK, he's not a neo-con. He just rolls over and plays dead for the neo-cons.

              He also plays fetch and on occasion one of the neo-con talking heads rubs his belly. But he's not one of them. 

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    • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 2:32 pm ET)
         
      McCain is such a jerk.  I'm glad the state party told him to take a hike.
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    • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 2:32 pm ET)
         
      I love how the only line in the CBS Evening News transcript that Cunningham has is "Barack Hussein Obama."  Talk about a one trick pony!
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    • Author by tommy (April 24, 2008 2:32 pm ET)
         

      How ironic that MMFA plays hall monitor and criticizes these "supporters" of McCain for their negative attacks ads, while MMFA's founder is chairman of what's expected to be an integral part of Democratic attacks on McCain,  Progressive Media USA.  

      Gee, I wonder if Clinton or Obama will take a "very strong stand" against these as McCain does?  Of course they will, the candidates always do.

      They are prevalent on both sides.   

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      • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 2:35 pm ET)
           
        key word: negative.
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      • Author by thomp.steve9098 (April 24, 2008 2:45 pm ET)
           

        Tommy,

        Last night on the No Spin Zone Oreilly played an ad from that pathetic smear group taking cheap shots at Mccain because of his age . . . . "humorously" teasing him about how he's pretty much older than dirt. It was a weak ad, and like the far right ad, entirely devoid of substance.

        Nonetheless, as with the ad that is the subject of this article, it may well help the dem contender with some on the loony left. 

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        • Author by tommy (April 24, 2008 2:49 pm ET)
             

          Steve, 

          I heard the ad on the radio this morning, it was ridiculous.  Unfortunately, these attack ads filled with crap will hit the airwaves funded by all sorts of groups with agendas and axes to grind, politically.  If one criticizes one, they should criticize all.  To sit on some pedestal and say the ones against your guy or gal are unfair, yet shutup about the attacks against the one you don't like, is hypocritical.

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          • Author by therick (April 24, 2008 4:53 pm ET)
               

            Yet, that's just what you did when speaking of MMFA a few post above.

            Is there a contest that I haven't heard about?  And, if there is, who's ahead, You, AA, or Rumpy?

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            • Author by wzwriter (April 24, 2008 6:54 pm ET)
                 

              For all the complaining Tommy, AA, Rumpy, PC, Hogbreath, and the others do about MMFA, they sure post here a lot - don't they?

              :-)

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              • Author by therick (April 24, 2008 9:10 pm ET)
                   
                Yeah.  If they really think MMFA is so terrible, they must be into self abuse.
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    • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 24, 2008 2:36 pm ET)
         

      Watching McCain reminds me of when I was a young girl. Every 4 years our roads would get paved and little things were done to spruce up our neighborhood. I would ask my Dad why and he would say "It's election time and they want my vote". Let me explain to the GOP and McCain, Black folks aren't crazy. We get that you come to visit ONLY when it's election time.

      LOL

      Every 4 years some GOP hopeful explains how they really want to attract black voters. Each and every four years I hear that same line repeated and yet NOTHING changes and they pretend to "wonder why?". Get real, your still talking out of both sides of your mouth. McCain "pretends" to care while the NC GOP reminds their "white" voters that you can't elect that "N".

       

       

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      • Author by DEMS_SOL (April 24, 2008 2:44 pm ET)
           

        Pearle - I'm curious - was it Democrats or Republicans who were winning those elections and would come back once every four years to spruce up the community?

        Where I lived on Long Island it was the Dems doing it.

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        • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 24, 2008 2:50 pm ET)
             
          Dem, it was the Democratic party during my childhood but those Dems were DIXIECRATS. The same DIXIECRATS who LEFT the Democratic party because of Civil Rights and Black folks. By the way, I'm 73 years old and I think MY history is very different from your history. 
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          • Author by DEMS_SOL (April 24, 2008 4:45 pm ET)
               
            Pearle - I honor your years and respect your history.  When I was growing up it was just a bunch of typical politicians trying to stay in office no matter what side of the aisle they were on - kind of like it is today. 
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      • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 2:49 pm ET)
           
        where i live in l.a., a decidedly democrat city, they don't even do anything every four years.  i'd settle for that.  my street looks like a back alley in tijuana.
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        • Author by jawill11 (April 24, 2008 3:29 pm ET)
             
          Sounds like you need to break out those bootstraps and get to work!
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 25, 2008 12:22 am ET)
               
            No way, Jawill. He's a conservative. He's too busy complaining about his taxes and the liberal nanny state to actually go out and fill those potholes.Bet he calls the city 5 times a day bitching, though. ;0)
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        • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 1:53 pm ET)
             
          Since you are too stupid to even know the name of the largest political party in the US, its no wonder your posts are so consistantly inane.
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    • Author by DEMS_SOL (April 24, 2008 2:39 pm ET)
         

      What Media Matters has failed to report is the the add by the NC GOP is ad add against a candidate for Governor who is openly supporting Obama. This add is not intended to support McCain who is not running in the NC primary, and who has no standing in the add as it does not involve his candidacy. 

      I wonder if anyone in the discussions above even listened to the whole add.

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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 24, 2008 2:42 pm ET)
           

        What Media Matters has failed to report is the the add by the NC GOP is ad add against a candidate for Governor who is openly supporting Obama.

        GOP is GOP!

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        • Author by DEMS_SOL (April 24, 2008 2:48 pm ET)
             

          My underlying point Pearle is that MM is more in the business of creating the impression of conservative media bias than actually uncovering it.  This is just another example of it.

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          • Author by deeznuts (April 24, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
               
            MMFA doesn't create any impression. The bias is there. MMFA just lets us know.
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        • Author by pointofview (April 24, 2008 4:02 pm ET)
             
          and a racist is a racist.  We will be hearing about Wright all through the election.  It will not go away.
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          • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 4:06 pm ET)
               
            POV, Wright didn't say racist things.  He said things that were ignorant, and a few that were categorically un-true.  but they can't be called racist.
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            • Author by pointofview (April 24, 2008 4:14 pm ET)
                 

              dbeden4153

              When he claimed that the govt created aids to kill black people....that is racist.

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              • Author by deeznuts (April 24, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
                   
                Except that he didn't say that.
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              • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 4:26 pm ET)
                   
                It's not racist, it's racially motivated.  There are big differences.  for one, a racist statement has to take a stereotype and apply it to the entire race.  I've listened to hours of his sermons and not once did he do this.  However, he talks about race a lot, which make his sermons racially motivated.
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                • Author by DEMS_SOL (April 24, 2008 4:39 pm ET)
                     

                  Whatever you want to call it - racist ot racially motivated - it was wrong.  This Wright thing will hang aroung Obamma's neck for the remainder of his political career.  Obama was a fool not to see this comming.

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                  • Author by DEMS_SOL (April 24, 2008 4:47 pm ET)
                       
                    OOPS - Obamma and Obama in the above post ARE the same person.
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                  • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 4:51 pm ET)
                       

                    I'm not disagreeing with that, but to say its racist is a whole other thing...the charge of racism gets used too much these days, by both the left and the right (exception: the Ferraro comment.  That was definitely racist. When you attribute something to someone simply because of their skin color, that's the definition of racism.)

                     

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                    • Author by pointofview (April 25, 2008 12:59 am ET)
                         

                      dbeden4153

                      Ok, explain it to me.  Your answers seem pretty reasonable, so help me understand.  He says the govt invented aids to kill black people.  Aids would have been created in the 70's if not before.  You dont just create a virus over night.  Most high ranking govt officers then were white.  So how does that not fit your definition of racism?

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                      • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 2:05 pm ET)
                           
                        The only way it WOULD is if the GOVERNMENT were synonymous with white people. Is it? Your assertion is ludicrous. Just because a group is made up of white people, a stretch anyway, doesnt mean its motivation is THAT they are white people.  Criticising the government even in stupid ways is NOT racist, its silly to even CLAIM it is. The only reason you are doing so is you are WANT to keep pushing the Wright is racist line and have NOTHING to back it up.
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                  • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 2:01 pm ET)
                       
                    Really?  Of course by that specious logic those who marched FOR civil rights were racist because it was racially motivated. You do get that your reasoning made no sense dont you?
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              • Author by commonsenseliberal (April 25, 2008 11:45 am ET)
                   
                No wonder you guys on the right have a problem with racism - you don't even know the definition.
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              • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 1:59 pm ET)
                   
                That is one of the sillyest things I have ever read. On what PLANET is attacking the GOVERNMENT racist>
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            • Author by nerzog (April 24, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
                 
              The sad thing is that everything Wright said had a little truth in it. Unlike the bile that Hagee spews, which is pure fantasy.
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          • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 1:58 pm ET)
               
            Especially from you people who keep CALLING Wright a racist and running away every time we ask you to cough up an example of his racism. You guys really seem to believe if you can just reach that magic number of repititions what you say becomes true because you SAID IT.
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            • Author by TadekKorn (April 25, 2008 3:55 pm ET)
                 

              Of course that's how it works in the contemporary Republican Party: the repeated lie becomes the truth.  The spirit (expulsion of air) transcends the material (body) which is sacrificed for the higher principle: God or its synonym, the Free Market!

              The amazing things is that so many Americans buy into this totally irrational narrative!

               

               

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      • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 2:43 pm ET)
           
        of course they didn't.  instead, you get the ridiculous rantings from the likes of pearlene. 
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        • Author by dazedandconfused26 (April 24, 2008 2:50 pm ET)
             

          "ridiculous rantings from the likes of pearlene." 

          Common sense and the truth is ridiculous ranting now? When did that happen?

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        • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 24, 2008 2:52 pm ET)
             

          of course they didn't.  instead, you get the ridiculous rantings from the likes of pearlene. 

          Ahhh Hissy you want some attention? Sorry not much time for yeah.

          Bye Bye

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          • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 2:55 pm ET)
               
            no, but i'd like my road fixed.  you can really get motion sickness from all the holes and moguls.
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            • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 4:00 pm ET)
                 
              You run over successful businessmen every day?  That's not very free market.
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        • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 2:07 pm ET)
             
          Pearlene has more class in her little finger than you will EVER see in your mirror and makes more sense in every post she makes than you have ever made in all your posts put together. Compared to Pearlene you are just a sad, resentful, twisted little troll.
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      • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 2:51 pm ET)
           
        Most everyone has failed to report that...including the local media here in NC.  The ad is intended to hurt Obama in the primary under the guise of going after the candidates for governor.  Problem is, it's not going to work.  Obama will take NC by 15 points, at least.
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      • Author by deeznuts (April 24, 2008 4:15 pm ET)
           

        What a specious argument.

        This is an anti-Obama ad, pure and simple. Just because it offhandedly mentions a couple of local races doesn't mean it's not about the Presidential election.

        This has everything to do with keeping up the wingnut NONtroversy surrounding Wright. (And a lot to do with supporting McCain.)

        And, I just read, Fox News gave it free airtime under the guise of "reporting on the ad."  They did the same thing with the Swiftboat Liars. The Liars didn't have to pay Fox very much for ad time because Fox News played the ad in its entirety almost every hour during their news reporting.

        Professional courtesy I guess. The smearers gotta stick together! 

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      • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 1:55 pm ET)
           
        So then you think it is just a coincidence that this ad trashes Obama which would obviously benifit McCain?
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    • Author by noconspiracy (April 24, 2008 2:47 pm ET)
         
      Here it is, folks, the fall campaign: McCain will run against Obama as "Barack X", while at the same time running against his OWN campaign.
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    • Author by MickD (April 24, 2008 2:56 pm ET)
         
      This one seems like a no-brainer. Put a bad ad out, then condemn like a maiden aunt, they have the ad played ad naseum as part of the "story." I'm sure Fox has it on continuous loop today.
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    • Author by historygeek001 (April 24, 2008 3:02 pm ET)
         
      Anybody who thinks that these ads run without McCain's consent and approval is, at best, naive.  If he wanted them stopped he could do so by making one phone call.  If he didn't want them to be run at all, they would not be on the air.
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      • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 3:07 pm ET)
           
        i don't think mccain has that kind of sway in the republican party.  heck, in pennsylvania he only got about 65% of the republican vote, with the balance going primarily to paul and huckabee.
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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (April 24, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
             
          You don't think the Republican presidential candidate has much clout with the Republican party? You're getting curiouser and curiouser, Rump.
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          • Author by DEMS_SOL (April 24, 2008 4:14 pm ET)
               
            Don't know if you saw Col but the NC GOP told McCain to take his "request" and stick it where the sun don't shine.
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            • Author by deeznuts (April 24, 2008 4:20 pm ET)
                 

              Because McCain's letter came with a "wink-wink" and a "nudge-nudge."

              I can't believe you actually think the NC GOP and the McCain camp are remotely at odds over this. It's all about strategy. Typical, dirty, Republican strategy.

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              • Author by snoopy (April 24, 2008 4:31 pm ET)
                   

                What is this thing with republicans and stances anyways? Strong stances, wide stances, do they have a strong wide stance?

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                • Author by commonsenseliberal (April 24, 2008 4:50 pm ET)
                     
                  It makes it easier for them to stick it to us. "wink-wink, nudge-nudge". ;)
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              • Author by DEMS_SOL (April 24, 2008 4:36 pm ET)
                   

                I'm no fan of the Repubs or McCain - but if you think their strategy is any dirtier than the Clinton strategy vs Obama you have Blue-colored glasses on.

                It's about winning.

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                • Author by snoopy (April 24, 2008 4:40 pm ET)
                     
                  I don't approve of Hillary's game either. She should just drop out now and put an end to a disgraceful campaign.
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                  • Author by roundhouse (April 25, 2008 12:15 am ET)
                       
                    Amen, Snoop.

                    It's been such a disappointment watching her flounder. I had such high hopes for her.
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                • Author by commonsenseliberal (April 25, 2008 11:51 am ET)
                     

                  I'm no fan of the Repubs or McCain - but if you think their strategy is any dirtier than the Clinton strategy vs Obama you have Blue-colored glasses on.

                  It's about winning. - Dems_Sol

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                  You're right, it is about winning.  But, when someone is doing something wrong, you don't point over to someone else and say "Oh, s/he's doing it too!"  The way that Clinton is running her campaign does not excuse the way McCain is running his.  I'm not defending Senator Clinton here, I'm just exposing your crappy logic.

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              • Author by DEMS_SOL (April 24, 2008 5:41 pm ET)
                   

                This is a Primary where McCain has no standing - I believe the NC GOP is more concerned about who their Governor is going to be than whether or not McCain is Pres.  If that means going against McCain's wishes so be it.  McCain will not have coat tails in the general.

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            • Author by Lynn (April 24, 2008 4:38 pm ET)
                 
              If he can't lead a few partisan hicks in the sticks how is he going to lead the free world? Hey that sounds like a good ad to me.
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              • Author by mary59 (April 24, 2008 7:10 pm ET)
                   
                I like it, Lynn:

                John McCain: If he can't lead a few hicks in the sticks, how can be the leader of the free world?

                Maybe Faux News can run this on their bottom crawl over & over.
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              • Author by roundhouse (April 25, 2008 12:32 am ET)
                   
                I like the underlying presumption, Lynn. That McCain is a joke to these people, that he cannot keep these foamy mouthed attack dogs at bay is a good indication that he has no ability lead us to a better future.

                But I don't like the hicks part. We debase ourselves and drive away would be converts to our way of thinking by making fun of a person's roots.

                Besides, the NC GOP is anything but a group of struggling rural Americans. They are well educated, well funded professional cons with a deadly serious market fundamentalist agenda to push.
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                • Author by mary59 (April 25, 2008 12:17 pm ET)
                     
                  Point taken. But I think Lynn was joking as I was.

                  I consider myself a hick with more common sense than those dazzling urbanites in N.C. ;-) By the way, I love the state of North Carolina, having spent time there in the late 70's. Both in Raleigh and in Asheville.
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                  • Author by roundhouse (April 25, 2008 4:42 pm ET)
                       
                    I figured you two were jokng, ya know. I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin ova here.
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                • Author by Lynn (April 25, 2008 5:27 pm ET)
                     
                  Hey Round, I'm just kidding hick thing. I'm a hick once removed. My parents are from NC and that's what they used to say when we were little that we were making our annual visit to the sticks they meant it lovingly.
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            • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (April 24, 2008 7:17 pm ET)
                 

              Don't know if you saw Col but the NC GOP told McCain to take his "request" and stick it where the sun don't shine.

              No No No Both McCain and the NC GOP both win. McCain APPEARS to take the high road and the NC GOP gets free advertising. McCain and the GOP wins. 

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              • Author by DEMS_SOL (April 25, 2008 9:39 am ET)
                   

                It may be a win-win for both but I don;t think it's coordinated.  NC is fighting for its own future regardless of what happens with McCain.  I know I would be if I were them.

                 

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        • Author by dazedandconfused26 (April 24, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
             

          Thats the rank and file Rump.

          The higher ups are all on board the "Straight Talk Express" he'll get whatever he wants because they want to make sure that it aint a Dem in the white house next year.

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          • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 3:40 pm ET)
               

            how could you tell the difference.

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            • Author by nerzog (April 24, 2008 4:18 pm ET)
                 
              Don't worry RumpHisHeadSticksIn... Gramps will toe the party line. He'll promise anyone anything to get into the White House. The Evangelical Troglodytes own him.
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            • Author by eweston8542983 (April 24, 2008 4:23 pm ET)
                 

              Supreme Court nominees. Yohnny likes Roberts and Scalia....a lot.

              Global Warming responses.

              The philospophy of personal freedom vs coercion.

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              • Author by nerzog (April 24, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
                   
                I'd say the soldiers sweltering in Iraq may be able to tell the difference.
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    • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 3:39 pm ET)
         
      the wimps, they took down the ad.
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      • Author by deeznuts (April 24, 2008 4:21 pm ET)
           
        Don't worry. Fox News will play it over and over again for free. Just like they did with the Swiftboat Liars' ad.
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    • Author by wesley (April 24, 2008 4:24 pm ET)
         

      Obama sat in the pew for 20 years and listened to and supported Rev. Wright...it's no harm to show them side by side in an ad.

      Do I think Rev.Wright is a wild-eyed racist? Nope

      Do I think Rev.Wright is a wild-eyed liberal? Yep

      If the democrats want to dig up video of McCain's pastor and show them side by side...go for it. 

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      • Author by nerzog (April 24, 2008 4:26 pm ET)
           
        How about a video of Hagee saying that God punished poor black people in New Orleans for the sins of the French Quarter.... then show Gramps hugging the pig.

        That work for ya?
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        • Author by magnolialover (April 24, 2008 4:46 pm ET)
             

          That would work for me.

          I'm still waiting for the more than 20 second clip that keeps getting shown of Wright's sermon, and the 20 years worth of "hatred" and "racism" that he allegedly spews forth on a Sunday basis and all. Could it be true that it just isn't there? Could it be that his sermons are mostly about truth, empowering his community, and "GASP!!" God and Jesus?

          Look people, if Wright was such a hard core bigot, racist, and America hater as everyone from the right hand side wants to call him, don't you think we'd see more than the one 20 second clip that we keep seeing? Don't you think O'Reilly, Hannity, and the rest of the scumbags would have dug something else up by now? Curious isn't it how we have this one 20 second clip, out of context I might add, and nothing else from this long 20 year spewing of racism and hatred.. It's because, that's all they have.

          And for the moron who said that when Wright said that the government gave AIDS to the black folks, and called that statement racist. How would that be racist? Did he mention race in that statement (I paraphrased of course), unless of course you consider the government (which could be local, state, federal, or other) is ALL WHITE, then it's not racist. It's based on things that happend to black people in the past, but how was it racist again?

          You jokers keep calling this man a racist, but not once in his sermon did he talk BAD about white people, or people of any other ethnicity. He talked about bad things that white people did to his certain race of people, but again, not racist. That's called telling the truth.

          This ad, being that I live in NC, is a stupid ad. First, it's a stretch at best to try and stick Wright's sermons and comments against Obama. Second, it's a super huge stretch to try and tie Bev Purdue and Richard Moore to Wright, through their endorsement of Obama. Talk about weak sauce folks, really weak sauce.

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          • Author by nerzog (April 24, 2008 4:53 pm ET)
               
            You know, that's an excellent point. Supposedly the man has a DVD out, from which these clips were allegedly copied. Since the Troglodytes insist that there is NO WAY Obama could have gone to that church for twenty years and not heard several of these so-called "racist" sermons, you'd think they could come up with a few more examples.
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            • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 4:58 pm ET)
                 
              Not to mention that one particular sermon was right after 9/11, when everyone's emotions were running high.  Right, Hagee?
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              • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 4:59 pm ET)
                   
                Oh dang, I guess that would only work if he didn't REPEAT HIS CRAZINESS JUST IN THE LAST FEW DAYS
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          • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 4:56 pm ET)
               

            Here here ML, but you won't convince Pointofview, he only has one.

            I'm in NC too, and I've seen the ad at least three times so far.  It's definitely an anti-Obama ad put out before the primary to try and rip the Democratic party further apart.  The funny thing is, I have yet to see a Hillary bumper sticker, or sign in a yard.  But I've seen hundreds of Obama stickers and signs.

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            • Author by magnolialover (April 24, 2008 5:02 pm ET)
                 

              Same here. I work with several folks (even in back woods NC) that have Obama stuff all over the place. I haven't seen much in the way of Hillary support around here.

              The ad is most definitely an attack on Obama for the primary coming up in a couple of weeks. It's really just kind of stupid. Like I said, it's a huge stretch to try and tag Purdue and Moore with Wright. It's not like they even know the guy. Hell, they don't know Obama either I'm sure. But, standard GOP fare here in NC.

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          • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 5:11 pm ET)
               

            my understanding is that the video came from dvds sold in the church gift shop.  do they sell a dvd of every sermon?  i check the website, there are lots of dvds for sale, but only a title, no description is given.

            there is no doubt, of course, that wright is a toxic rabid racist.

            ran across this article.  this guy must be a poster here.

            April 23, 2008 --

            A man heckling First Lady Laura Bush and daughter Jenna outside the 92nd Street Y was arrested after he punched a wheelchair-bound girl whose parents has told him to shut up, authorities said yesterday. German Talis, 22, was shouting obscenities at the Bushes, who were leaving the building Tuesday, when he crossed paths with Wendy and John Lovetro and their daughter Maureen, 18, who has cerebral palsy.

            They had been in the audience to hear the Bushes talk about their children's book, "Read All About It."

            "He began yelling about Iraq and Iran at Jenna Bush. She was waving at the crowd. I told the guy, 'What are you doing? Shut up. This is about a child and books,' " said John Lovetro. "He was unperturbed. I said, 'Get out of here! You're being a moron!' "

            The next thing he knew, Talis was allegedly punching Maureen - a fan of the first lady since meeting her in 2004.

            "I heard my daughter hysterical yelling, 'He's hitting me!' " said Wendy Lovetro.

            "He punched her on the shoulder blades, but that wasn't enough," she said.

            "My husband pushed the wheelchair away from him and he reached beyond my husband and began pounding my daughter in the thigh."

            The two men fought as the president's family drove off. Cops broke them up and busted Talis on charges of assault and resisting arrest.

            Maureen was not seriously injured.

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            • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 5:25 pm ET)
                 

              Rumple, take a look at this:

              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/greg-mitchell/excerpts-from-rev-wright_b_98433.html

              And then come back and tell me Wright is a toxic rabid racist.

              And since you are a poster here, you are equating yourself with that lunatic.  Good job. 

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              • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 5:39 pm ET)
                   
                yeah, so he denied it, well what do you expect him to say.
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            • Author by magnolialover (April 24, 2008 5:51 pm ET)
                 

              What has Wright said that was racist?

              Tell me. Tell us all. Because, he, in that sermon, said nothing racial at all, but hey, you know, never you mind about what is reality and all.

              Guess what? Are you telling me that throughout 20 years of preaching that there is only one sermon of his recorded, and or played? And that one sermon was 20 seconds? You are not only ignorant, but delusional at best. Did you even see the ENTIRE sermon that day on that particular occassion, or did you just see the 20 seconds that Rush and FoxNews keeps playing? I'm thinking, umm, the latter.

              Did you purchase the ENTIRE DVD that this one 20 second clip came off of? Again, if he was so bad, and so angry, there must be a gold mine of this stuff out there.

              I know what it is really, it's that there is an angry black man, and you're scared of him. That's OK, there are a lot of republicans such as yourself who appear to be afraid of, well, just about everything.

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              • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 6:46 pm ET)
                   
                uhh, that white people invented aids to kill black people.
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                • Author by magnolialover (April 24, 2008 7:31 pm ET)
                     

                  He NEVER said that.

                  And, even if he did, that would still NOT be racist.

                  Keep trying though...

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                • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 2:20 pm ET)
                     
                  You are a liar and a fool. We have been over this a dozen times. Wright NEVER said white people invented Aids he said the government. That might be stupid but it isnt racist. You KNEW that however which is why you changed what he said to white people, that and the fact you are a liar.
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            • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 2:18 pm ET)
                 
              There is no doubt you are an ignorant troll who couldnt care less if what you say is true as long as it denigrates anyone on the left. You are a liar and a fool. No one has yet coughed up a single racist thing Wright has ever said. We do understand however that hivemind morons like you just repeat what you are INSTRUCTED to believe being far too stupid to think for yourself.
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        • Author by Lynn (April 24, 2008 4:47 pm ET)
             

          Nerzog,

          It probably would have the opposite effect that you intend with the right wingers that genrally don't like McCain. They may see it as a plus that McCain got the approval of a man who thinks  that God sent in a storm to kill the Blacks and the Gays in one swoop. They are probably just sorry he didn't send one to Vatican City.

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          • Author by nerzog (April 24, 2008 4:49 pm ET)
               
            Doh!
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            • Author by dbeden4153 (April 24, 2008 5:26 pm ET)
                 
              now you're just being difficult for the sake of it...You are not furthering the discussion, only hindering it.  You are hurting America.  Stop it.
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              • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 5:27 pm ET)
                   
                well, it was not idea who came up with the vatican city comment.
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                • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 5:34 pm ET)
                     
                  substitute i for idea
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                • Author by magnolialover (April 24, 2008 5:53 pm ET)
                     

                  Considering Hagee's past comments on Catholics, I don't think it would be out of the question. Of course, you'll ignore those comments and all I'm sure.

                  Lynn wasn't promoting a hurricane hitting Vatican City, but I'm starting to think reading comprehension is beyond your meager abilities. It's a shame that NCLB is hurting our educational system so much. You could be part of the proof of that.

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                  • Author by Lynn (April 24, 2008 7:19 pm ET)
                       

                    Mag,

                     He's just an old troll that keeps recycling through here under new handles, but in case he truly is too dense to understand what I initially wrote I'll just say that I sincerely hope that God only showers blessings down on New Orleans, the Vatican City, and everywhere including over dumbostilskin’s house .
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                    • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 7:34 pm ET)
                         
                      can you possibly find a smaller font.
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                      • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
                           
                        Can you possibly be any more inane? I mean you have already set the bar too low for an amoeba to limbo under.
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                    • Author by magnolialover (April 24, 2008 7:39 pm ET)
                         
                      Sadly, I know.
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                      • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 9:16 pm ET)
                           
                        you know she can't find a smaller font
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                        • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 2:25 pm ET)
                             
                          He KNOWS you are an old recycled and very ignorant troll. Worthless and putrid in every one of your incarnations.
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      • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 2:14 pm ET)
           
        And in those twenty years he got what three or four outlandish statements? I agree with your sentiment. He is most likely a very lefty liberal. So what? Do you know how many churches I have gone to where the preacher was a far right nutbag? Like Wright however I would only see it very rarely so if I thought his religious message was a solid and inspirational one I didnt toss out the baby with the bathwater.
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    • Author by rumplestilskin396408 (April 24, 2008 8:09 pm ET)
         
      benefiting.  what does that mean?
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      • Author by solon (April 25, 2008 2:26 pm ET)
           
        It means you get to make another of your really stupid spelling police posts.
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    • Author by mary59 (April 25, 2008 12:23 pm ET)
         
      Lynn said: "He's just an old troll that keeps recycling through here under new handles, but in case he truly is too dense to understand what I initially wrote I'll just say that I sincerely hope that God only showers blessings down on New Orleans, the Vatican City, and everywhere including over dumbostilskin’s house ."
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    • Author by johnsnakecusak (April 25, 2008 4:17 pm ET)
         

      I saw this exchange, the blog is right on, Andrea Mitchell is one of the slickest propagandists on Cable media.  She will use half truths until she is backed into a corner by a more responsible journalist, then act as if she never meant to imply any bias at all.

      It's enough to turn the stomach.

       johnsnakecusak

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