On CNN's Glenn Beck, Coulter asked if Obama is "a Manchurian candidate"
SUMMARY: On Glenn Beck's CNN Headline News program, Ann Coulter asked of Sen. Barack Obama: "Is Obama a Manchurian candidate to normal Americans who love their country? ... Or is he being the Manchurian candidate to the traitor wing of the Democratic Party?"
On the April 30 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck program, conservative pundit Ann Coulter asked of Sen. Barack Obama: "Is Obama a Manchurian candidate to normal Americans who love their country? ... Or is he being the Manchurian candidate to the traitor wing of the Democratic Party?" Host Glenn Beck did not challenge Coulter's remarks.
Coulter has previously referred to Obama as "B. Hussein Obama" in the past and called him "President Hussein." She has also compared Obama to Adolf Hitler, calling Obama's book, Dreams from My Father, a "dimestore Mein Kampf."
Coulter is not the first media figure to apply the "Manchurian candidate" label to Obama. On February 26, conservative radio host Bill Cunningham both referred to Obama as "this Manchurian candidate" and asserted, "I do not believe Barack Hussein Obama is a terrorist or a Manchurian candidate." On February 25, Time magazine political analyst Mark Halperin posted a list titled "Things McCain Can Do to Try to Beat Obama That Clinton Cannot," on his website The Page, in which he suggested that McCain "can ...[e]mphasize Barack Hussein Obama's unusual name and exotic background through a Manchurian Candidate prism."
During her appearance, Coulter also suggested that Obama "secretly agrees with the Weathermen and the Reverend Wright faction." In fact, Obama has denounced Wright's controversial statements as "a profoundly distorted view of this country" and "not only wrong but divisive"; indeed, just the day before Coulter's appearance, Obama said that he was "outraged" at Wright's comments to the National Press Club, calling them "divisive and destructive" and asserting that they were "completely opposed to what I stand for and where I want to take this country." Additionally, neither Coulter nor Beck acknowledged that Obama has condemned the "detestable acts" of William Ayers, a former member of Weather Underground.
From the April 30 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck:
BECK: You know what? You know what? As uncomfortable as you -- as uncomfortable as you are with Hillary Clinton or I am with John McCain, you are with John McCain, it is not somebody who says, "Hey, I'm going to sit with leaders of Iran and Syria and Cuba and Venezuela who hate us. And by the way, my record on judging people is I didn't think this hatemonger was a hatemonger for 20 years."
COULTER: Right, right. And calls -- and obviously hates the United States. This is part of the traitor wing of the Democratic Party. And I guess the question is: Is Obama a Manchurian candidate to normal Americans who love their country -- and he secretly agrees with the Weathermen and the Reverend Wright faction? Or is he being the Manchurian candidate to the traitor wing of the Democratic Party? And he, I guess, has to take the position now that, "No, I was just trying to hoodwink the traitor wing."
BECK: Like I'm going to trust --
COULTER: Kind of a tough road to hoe.
"Is Obama a Manchurian candidate to normal Americans who love their country? ... Or is he being the Manchurian candidate to the traitor wing of the Democratic Party?"
But anyone who asks such a question goes against everything this country stands for by implying that someone else is a traitor just because they disagree with her.
It's a sad day when we allow someone like coulter to determine who is a normal American who loves their country and who is a traitor.
In her favor, though, she did say the Democratic Party.
"It's a sad day when we allow someone like coulter to determine who is a normal American who loves their country and who is a traitor."
If that's the case, then the only normal Americans are her, McCarthy, and Hitler. Yeah, Hitler.
But of course, no one should ever take what she says seriously, and I'm not surprised Beck has her on. When the woman calls John Edwards gay, then shows up at a West L.A. Bistro run and operated solely by gay men, and when confronted about it, sends out her body-guards as she holds her head in shame...I mean, I forgot my point. Just wanted to throw that tid-bit of information in there.
No, she did not endorse Hillary. She said she would vote for the most conservative candidate available and between McCain and Hillary, Hillary would be that person. That is not an endorsement.
I think she is disgusting, and could care less about her
After 25 years of technical writing, lines like that always grab my attention. Since you said you COULD care less" about Coulter, then you are implying that there is at lease a small amount of care within you for Ann Coulter. To mean that you do not care for her at all, you should have phrased it like this:
I think she is disgusting, and couldn't care less about her
"To mean that you do not care for her at all, you should have phrased it like this:
I think she is disgusting, and couldn't care less about her" - Wzwriter
WZ, as a person who sometimes performs technical writing out of grim necessity, I know it is often acceptable to phrase in shortcut within technical documents.
However, I believe it would be more proper English usage to write:
"I think she is disgusting, and I couldn't care less about her."
Ah, sheer poetry. :^)
Coulter is an abomination to demomocracy and free speech. She can say what she wants but reasonable people have the right to expose her as the eliminationist she is. So don't act like she's just asking a question. She's on tv telling people to hate liberals, that we are traitors, that we are terrorists.
You know what we do to traitors in this country, right? Yeah, Coulter is a violent extremist.
So Ann Coulter is not allowed to ask a question?
Sure, she can ask a question. She just should not be allowed to ask STUPID questions, based on her prior record of hatred and stupidity.
Annie Baby, McCain was the one who wanted to stay in the Hanoi Hilton. Maybe he should be questioned. Let us look deeply into the names...Barack Hussein Obama boy, that Hussein name sounds Manchurian. But....what about John MC(Manchurian Candidate)Cain?
I don't really mean the above..I was just auditioning for a job at Fox News or the DR(Drug Runner)udge report.
Colonel, you could've stopped at the word "know"...and saved a few key strokes.
I sort of miss her nonsense. She is good for the Party, the Democratic one. She was a terrific flag bearer for the November "06" elections. As for Glenn (Gods' BooBoo) Beck, he is just there. Who listens to him? Philib? I doubt it.
The Manchurian Candidate was a great movie.
How it applies to Obama only Annie knows...oh & I guess Beck.
I'm not gonna even try to figure it out.
I can't believe anyone can sit through Beck's program. I tried once to watch it, & only lasted about 10 minutes. It's really bad.
J2, I agree. I catch snippets of it on HLN every once in a while, and just about every point he makes makes me cringe at the stupidity being flung at me.
I would have to agree with you, Jeter ... I've tried to watch Beck a few times .. his show is just unwatchable. He fancies himself a comedian, but isn't one of the job requirements for that the ability to be funny?
The only way Beck survives is by having guests that are even dumber than he is.
How it applies to Obama only Annie knows...oh & I guess Beck.>>
The same way the Hitler thing applies. Because the wingnuts really, really want to use it.
Here's someone who just comes right out and says it:
http://karmakat.typepad.com/picasso_dreams/2004/01/bushhitler_coma.html
Here's more:
http://blogs.salon.com/0002255/2005/03/10.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen01312003.html
http://www.nationalreview.com/goldberg/goldberg090403.asp
http://archive.democrats.com/preview.cfm?term=Bush%20Hitler%20Comparison
There's a very good reason that people compare George W. Bush to Adolf Hitler, RinoHunter. It's because the comparison is valid.
http://www.mninter.net/~hedwards/bush/hitler-bush.htm
Thanks for proving my point.
What point? That you're an idiot who doesn't know what the hell he's ever talking about? You prove THAT with everything you post here....
It just seems worse on the left since they're so much louder and angrier than the right...rino hunter
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Were you asleep during the entire Clinton Administration, Rino? The right-wing nutjobs sounded pretty angry to me those whole eight years ...
It's usually the left wing that compares Bush to Hitler.
Of COURSE they, do, Rino Hunter!!! People on the right wouldn't compare Bush with Hitler, because it makes their side look bad. Your statement above makes about as much sense as James Dobson of FoKKKus On The Family, when he said that teen pregrancy reates tend to go down over age 25.....
Weird Zombie,
You're actually right for once. We should mark this day down in the record books and have a holiday! I meant to say that it's usually the left that uses Hitler comparisons.
As for Ann the Mann, what's left to be said about that harpie? She's trash.
As for Ann the Mann, what's left to be said about that harpie? She's trash.
But trash can be recycled into someting useful. Ann Coulter cannot - she will remain toxic for years to come.
Tell that to Tony Zirkle. He's running for a GOP congressional seat in Indiana, and recently spoke at a celeberation for the anniversary of Hitler's birth:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353536,00.html
How many times do we need to tell you hiveminders that you SAYING something doesnt make it magically TRUE. Only a moron with NO understanding of History would say the Nazis or Fascists were anything other than rightwing. Which says nothing more about the RIGHT than that Stalin and Mao were leftwing says about the left. The Nazis were their own kind of evil.
how many times do you have to be told that fascists and nazis are leftwingers. can't you get even that straight.
Perhaps you need to be told that questions end with question marks, and start with capital letters, unless you think you are e.e. cummings.
Also that fascists and nazis are extreme right-wingers. I hope you only need to be told once. But from your posts I have a feeling that you suffer from incurable stupidity rather than curable ignorance.
Historical revisionism at its best.
Anybody with even a passing familiarity with European history knows that the early-mid 20th century can be seen as a conflict between right-leaning powers, including the Nazis and fascists of Spain, Germany, and Italy, and the left-leaning powers, i.e. the Communists. I think it's remarkable chutzpah that after 75 years of calling Democrats and liberals 'communists', right-wingers are now going whole hog and also saying that fascists were also left-wingers.
Apparently there were no right-wingers in Europe at all!
When someone prefaces their point with "I received this e-mail" you know they're not going to be making realistic points.
I just received an e-mail saying the Crown Prince of Niger wants to give me a butt-load of money. It must be true, it was in an e-mail.
I love reading crap from these people who like to wrap themselves up in the flag and bask in someone else's accomplishments.
Next time you mention Wright, Annie, you should also consider the fact that Jeremiah Wright's approval ratings are higher than the Shrub's.
Charles Manson's approval numbers are higher than The Shrub's. And he keeps getting denied parole.....
Thanks.
I saw a story on CNN.com this morning that Bush now has a 71% disapproval rate. No one has ever broken 70% in Gallup's monthly presidential approval ratings. As a point of comparison, Nixon's disapproval rating was around 66 or 67% just before he resigned in August of 1974.
With ee as opposed to i WCP. Don't think she has shown moron characteristics. The whore coment wasn't done on the radio. Still questionable but I don't see the moron label having validity for her. You can call her up and tell her that she's a moron. She's working for Nova M. I'm thinking she would hand you your ass.
Helen Thomas is my favorite for right now. Will is part of the machine as far as I'm concerned.
During her appearance, Coulter also suggested that Obama "secretly agrees with the Weathermen and the Reverend Wright faction." In fact, Obama has denounced Wright's controversial statements as "a profoundly distorted view of this country" and "not only wrong but divisive"; indeed, just the day before Coulter's appearance, Obama said that he was "outraged" at Wright's comments to the National Press Club, calling them "divisive and destructive" and asserting that they were "completely opposed to what I stand for and where I want to take this country
I guess Media Matters overlooked the word SECRETELY in this case. Media Matters can't prove that Obama doesn't SECRETELY agree with Wright. Coulter didn't say that Obama agrees with Wright publicly. And for the record I don't agree with Coulter's comments here, but it's not misinformation in any way. It was simply another example of her using inflammatory rhetoric to try to rile liberals up.
Media Matters accused Coulter of lying but provided no evidence that she did. That's all I'm saying.
"In fact, Obama has denounced Wright's controversial statements as "a profoundly distorted view of this country" and "not only wrong but divisive"; indeed, just the day before Coulter's appearance, Obama said that he was "outraged" at Wright's comments to the National Press Club, calling them "divisive and destructive" and asserting that they were "completely opposed to what I stand for and where I want to take this country."
Like we are saying, that would hold up in any court. As for the Manchurian Candidate jab at Obama, do you really need proof that she's lying? You can't prove or disprove it. Not only that, but the reference is a completely inaccurate portrayal of what the film represents. In that respect, she is presenting a false analogy, or otherwise may as well be lying.
Skeletor accused Obama of secretly agreeing with the Weathermen and Reverend Wright faction, but provided no evidence that he does.
MMFA did not accuse her of lying, but merely provided Obama's own words to refute her statement.
MMFA is not drawing a conclusion, but presenting evidence to the contrary.
MMFA leaves it up to you to decide whether Skeletor is lying, stupid, being truthful, or trying to be "conservatively funny".
"Any sentient being already knows that but all MMFA has to do to refute this is to let the LACK of evidence speak for itself and give what counter evidence exists"
That's the point. They didn't provide any counter evidence. They provided evidence that has nothing to do with what she actually said. And she never claimed that she knew for a fact that Obama secretely agreed with Wright. She simply asked a question of whether he did or not, and Media Matters tried to use evidence that had absolutely nothing to do with the point that she made.
His actions have been consistent with his words. We've been over an over this. George Bush belongs to the Methodist church but he certainly doesn't follow the advice of the preaching in his own church or believe it, apparently.
I think you are confusing Obama's former pastor with Rush Limbaugh. His dittobot followers indeed believe everything he says.
And what IS he like? When will you get over the simpleminded idea that people are just one thing? He made a handful of outrageous statements over a twenty year period. That is better than the track record of MANY of my good friends. He also gave up a student deferment to serve in the Marines and was a decorated veteran. He also works assidiously with the poor and has a church where blacks and whites attend. People arent just one thing and allow people to have opinions when you have seen them be good people that you disagree with. People have the right to be wrong. Even silly once in a while. So how do YOU know what Wright is 'LIKE' better than Obama? Based on your extensive research? YOUR twenty years in his church? Or on a few out of context quotes from your hivemind masters? How do you know that 99% of Wrights sermons were not uplifting and religiously inspirational? Wright said some things that seemed nutty to me but I havent really seen the context, Obama distanced himself from them. Then apparantly he made a couple of speeches lately Obama felt were over the line and he chastised him for them. None of this seems like an indication of bad character to me.
Wright's interviews and speech at the NAACP over the weekend proved that it wasn't simply a handful of controversial remarks over 20 years. He proved that that's who he really is. Even Obama finally realized that the guy is a nut and hurting his campaign which is why he threw him under the bus.
Wait a minute now...
I'm gonna hove to strongly disagree with you here, Solon. Clearly, Proud Conservative is the master of the dumb post! I'll entertain an argument for Rumpy/HistyBiff, but it has to be one of those two. I'm willing to give RINO a bronze, but no more. He's got some pretty tough competition.
I believe Senator Obama said something to the effect that the man he met 20 years ago is not the same man hogging the lime light now.
When ever I voice my opinion that religion is the root cause of human suffering and oppression, someone points out that I need to put the bad things in balance with all the good things religion has done over the years, like charity hospitals etc. I would ask all you who criticize Senator Obama for not leaving that church long ago to apply the same standard. Apparently the good pastor has, over all, been a positive influence in his community.
I know. I was just joking. But there's nothing wrong with making money. That verse is simply pointing out that you shouldn't keep all of your money for yourself.
money is not the root of evil
unless you make it lying like a weasel.
I know.
That's a false statement no matter what follows it.
I was just joking.
No, in order to do that you must be funny. You're not even close.
Ah no. Media Matters did exactly the right thing. Coulter using the word secretly doesnt absolve HER of the burden of providing the evidence of her smear. MMFA showed that he has DENIED this, Coulter has coughed up NOTHING she didnt pull out of her ass.
That is all the refutation required of a baseless accusation
Wouldn't the burden of proof be on me?
Or am I on to something?
And with the public statements Obama has made, the word "secretly" would have no bearing on the burden of proof.
I could say you secretly jam spoons up your ***. If you say that's a lie, then I want your proof that that's a lie.
"During her appearance, Coulter also suggested that Obama "secretly agrees with the Weathermen and the Reverend Wright faction." In fact, Obama has denounced Wright's controversial statements"
Media Matters posted Coulter's comments and then attempted to refute it. The word IN FACT implies that she provided false information.
"Media Matters posted Coulter's comments and then attempted to refute it."
Exactly, that's not an accusation of lying, that's attempting to prove that it's not true, nothing more. There is no accusation of lying.
The lack of understanding is entirely yours.
The use of "in fact" is not an accusation of lying. "In fact" is nothing more than a preface for facts that are at odds with what Skeletor said.
MMFA says absolutely nothing about Skeletor's mindset or her intent and you can't prove that they did.
MMFA uses "in fact" on almost every item they post. This is no more an accusation of lying than any other MMFA item.
Meant PHRASE "in fact."
You can't prove a hypothetical. In fact, you're not supposed to.
btw, does Coulter have a new book coming out? If not, why is she on TV?
"Media Matters can't prove that Obama doesn't SECRETELY agree with Wright."
And I can't prove you are SECRETLY a cross-burning homophobe. Can I still make the allegation on national television?
You are a self proclaimed expert on who and what can be called a Republican. We've been reading your comments for a a year or more.
If that's the case, then I can claim to be an expert on the Democratic Party. I've been a member probably longer than you've been alive. We have no "traitor wing". So her statement is 100 % false. It is, a lie.
She implies that Senator Obama is some sort of assassin, I think his life so far has shown that he is not. Therefore, her claim that he's an assassin is a lie.
A baseless accusation is misinformation because it implies that there's some reasonable basis for it. Where your argument collapses is that an opinion is not just "I like the color blue". That's one type of opinion that's purely subjective. On the other hand, if I say "Bush is a traitor to his country" there are objective standards to justify that. If CBS aired some commentary about Bush being a traitor you can rest assured that there would be any number of right-wing bloggers and commentators asking for justification, even though it's just an opinion.
Besides that, you're admitting that the comment was inappropriate. So therefore it's worth noting. Somehow in your mind it's wrong to explain why her claim is baseless in order to point out the inappropriate nature of the comment, though. Of course if they didn't include that information you could just say "what's wrong with what Coulter said? What is there to suggest she was wrong?"
Sort of a no-win situation you're setting up, I think. What would you suggest that MMfA do in this case?
I get it! Just like nobody can't prove that you’re not secretly a pedophile RINO.
First the sea otters, then the burning crosses, now RINO has been exposed as a pedophile.
I can't take it anymore!
I have a question. Are you secretly a sea-otter-molesting homosexual?
If you say you aren't, it is not proof to the contrary, based upon the system you have replaced logic with.
And of course, RH wouldn't consider the implication of such heinous charges to be "misinformation" if they were leveled against him. You'd just be asking a question, after all. It's not like if someone asked "is RH secretly a cross-dresser?" that anyone would actually think that person was suggesting there was a valid reason to believe it!
I just love "I don't like this person but MMfA is wrong for pointing out their inflammatory comments because I'm inferring something unprovable from their post". Like if he thinks they implied it was misinformation they have to have definitive proof of a negative to back it up. He's not defending Coulter, he's just criticizing MMfA illogically for criticizing her. It's a typical "she's wrong but uhh...so are you!" right-wing argument.
"And I guess the question is: Is Obama a Manchurian candidate to normal Americans who love their country -- and he secretly agrees with the Weathermen and the Reverend Wright faction? Or is he being the Manchurian candidate to the traitor wing of the Democratic Party?"
And before the GOP clown car got emptied and McCain become the annointed one (as well as back in 2000) weren't the RWnuts accusing him of being a "Manchurian candidate" for real (because having been an actual war hero and POW they had to slander his service)?
No, the burden of proof is on Media Matters since they implied that Coulter lied in this case.
What terrible logic are you using? All available evidence points to the fact that she is lying. MMFA does not have to prove a negative (that Obama doesn't secretly agree with Wright) because there is nothing to base it on. It is reasonable to assume she is making it up.
All available evidence points to the fact that she is lying.
The easiest way to tell if Ann Coulter is lying is to look at her lips. If they're moving, she's lying.
I think it goes something like this...Obama is the Manchurian candidate. He has, with the help of Dem leaders brainwashed the young voters and fellow Dems (a twist from the movie) into believing he is the one sent to assinate the Right forever. (figuratively in this case) But I could be wrong.
COULTER: Kind of a tough road to hoe.
Yet another indication of Ann Couler's inane stupidity. The phrase is "a tough ROW to hoe", meaning the ground is hard and difficult to break up.
For a supposedly educated woman, she's really an idiot.
How about this Rino.
Why don't we take Obama at his word? He's made statements denouncing Wright, and has made statements against the Weatherman. There is no proof that he believes otherwise, and there is no basis to believe that he has lied. Until it can be proven that maybe he's lied about something else more severe than those 2 cases, why can't you take him at his word?
I would encourage these two profound thinkers to start their own church with their own brand of Christianity (obviously they have their own brand, why not make a buck). The kind of Christianity that that enjoys a good war, encourages torture, refuses to turn the other cheek and basically denigrates anyone you've ever disagreed with.
So Beav, Anne (if that in fact is your real name) what say you?
By the way, where in the hell are your flag lapel pins. How can we ever trust the two of you knuckle-heads ever again. For shame I say!
Ann says that Obama's manchurian
She'll say any old trash without worryin'
Cause her fans are all dunces
Buying frames like Frank Luntz's
With no brain cells to do their own figurian!
You would think Coulter and Beck would be more careful about throwing around terms like "Manchurian candidate"... considering it's much more likely to stick to McCain than to Obama.
You think Swift Boating was a wild ride? Wait until the POW/MIA community brings out the witnesses to how McCain colluded with Kerry in 1991 to destroy the evidence of still-living American prisoners in Southeast Asia.
Then again, maybe that's the ultimate goal of folks like Beck and Coulter: Get a liberal/Democrat in power so they have someone to rant about. Ultimately, the public wingnuts of the Right and Left are more about lining their own pockets than about ideology.
I gotta think the most frightening scenario for the likes of Coulter and Beck would be for a genuine Libertarian Conservative (as opposed to the current crop of pseudo-conservatives) to take the White House with a commitment to a rational foreign policy based on rational national self-interest, an acceptance that some things can only be done by government, albeit inefficiently, and a belief that individual rights actually have value.
Coulter, Beck et al would be out of jobs within a few months.
"So Ann Coulter is not allowed to ask a question?"
That's right. She has forfeited her right to be involved in any serious discussion about anything.
I'm glad to see that the only places she's been showing up on television now are low-ratings freak shows like Glenn Beck.
Is Coulter "allowed to ask a question"?
This really isn't a question, is it? It's a smear, and in theory it should be beneath the dignity of CNN to air this kind of junk.
Wait, aren't we for HILLARY! ????
COULTER: Kind of a tough road to hoe.
The expression is, "a tough row to hoe." Get it? As in planting seeds in rows and having to hoe first to get the ground ready?
I'm as democratic as anyone else, and Ann Coulter is someone I try at all cost to avoid. Except, when Media Matters features her. She has cried wolf so many times, people no longer hear a word she says. However, in this case, I think she has a valid question in "who is Obama, and what does he really plan to do to/for this country if he gets the keys to the Whitehouse?" I'm constantly stunned by how many people allow the media to tell them Obama is great, but don't actually take the time to listen from beginning to end of one of his non-committal speeches and then notice when he changes positions to match what Hillary is saying because hers gets better reception.
He has not told us absolutely how he managed a 20 year close relationship with Wright without seeing the depth of the man's belief system. They both used identical excuses over the last week that are in direct contradiction to that speech on racism, whatever that was all about. "Never a mentor or spiritual advisor" came out of both of them...comparing notes, really separated, just political posturing? Obama didn't really say much that indicated the speech he was forced to give was more than frustration on his part that his campaign was feeling the crunch of this topic again. Yet, no media took on the bit where Wright said he wanted the VP spot.
Wright's words were based in "Change, it is a comin'." Can someone explain why we shouldn't want to know what role Obama is going to play in that? The changes Wright wants to see in this country are pretty clear, and Obama's deeply indebted to Wright and friends for his career, his home, and his momentum. Ann Coulter is the last person I would have expected to start this question going. The Media sure isn't taking it on.
Maybe they've seen the lousy remake. The one where Meryl Streep's character was specifically modeled after Hillary Clinton.
Get a grip; the only ones that are "divisive and destructive" are these 2 morons that are talking. Maybe Ann is the Manchurian Candidate sent here by evil forces to dumb down the American people. If she is the voice of reason(normal American’s) where do I sign up for weathermen membership. “I think she is disgusting, and couldn't care less about her” but my fear is that people listen to her.