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Suggested questions for print media, when they finally decide to cover McCain's energy policy/Middle East conflict comments

May 06, 2008 2:30 pm ET

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SUMMARY: The Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, USA Today, and The Wall Street Journal have yet to report on Sen. John McCain's statement that "I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East, that will -- that will then prevent us -- that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East" [emphasis added]. Media Matters offers questions for these news outlets to ask McCain should they decide to cover the story.

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On May 2, Sen. John McCain criticized Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama's positions on Iraq during a town hall event at the Robert E. Loup Jewish Community Center in Denver, Colorado, saying that their proposals "would lead to catastrophe and chaos, and that we would have the whole region -- including the country -- in such turmoil that we would be required to come back to the region." McCain then added: "My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East, that will -- that will then prevent us -- that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East" [emphasis added]. A search of the Nexis and Factiva databases shows that the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, USA Today, and The Wall Street Journal have yet to report on McCain's statement, which suggests a very different justification for the United States' initiating war in the Middle East than that given for the Iraq invasion.

McCain's traveling press secretary Brooke Buchanan reportedly explained the comments by asserting that McCain was referring to the first Gulf War. However, ABCNews.com's Bret Hovell noted in a May 2 post on the Political Radar blog that McCain "did not mention the first Gulf War during his town hall meeting in Denver," adding: "His comments then came in the context of a conversation about the latest Iraq struggle, and how his plans for Iraq differ from that of his Democratic opponents, who want to begin withdrawing troops quickly from Iraq." Moreover, in a May 2 post on MSNBC.com's First Read blog, Adam Aigner-Treworgy reported that -- at a press conference in Phoenix -- when McCain was "asked by an Associated Press reporter if, when he made the statement, he was 'thinking about the first Gulf War,' he said no."

McCain's initial comments and subsequent attempt to explain them suggest several pertinent questions for the print media to ask McCain if they decide to cover the story:

  • In your comments at a town hall in Denver, Colorado, you said, "I will have an energy policy that ... will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will ... prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East." Later, in seeking to clarify those comments you said, "if we're dependent on anything outside the United States of America, it has to, it has to enter into any calculations that we make. I mean if we're dependent on something from some part of the world, then that has to be part of our calculation that we make." The AP reported that you also said later, "The Congressional Record is very clear: I said we went to war in Iraq because of weapons of mass destruction." Notwithstanding your subsequent clarification, don't your original words literally mean that our dependence on foreign oil was the reason we went into Iraq?
  • If our presence in Iraq is related to our need for oil, why didn't you give that as a justification for invading Iraq before the invasion?
  • If our presence in Iraq is related to our need for oil, why have gas prices skyrocketed since the war began?
  • When later clarifying your remarks, you also said, "I was talking about that we had fought the first Gulf War for several reasons." But when the Associated Press asked, "That comment that you made in the town hall meeting which is why you came back to talk to us. That was, what was in your mind, was [sic] you were thinking about the first Gulf War?" you reportedly responded, "No." Were you or were you not referring to the first Gulf War?
  • In clarifying your comments, you said:

I was talking about that we had fought the first Gulf War for several reasons. One of them was Saddam Hussein's invasion and that's just not something that's acceptable, although countries have invaded other countries in other parts of (inaudible.) But also we didn't want them to have control over the oil, and that part of the world is critical to us because of our dependency on foreign oil. And it's more important than in any other part of the world. But what my point is that the 10 or 15 years from now we will not have to send our troops to fight in the Middle East. That's what we want to be sure of.

If eliminating our dependence on foreign oil means "we will not have to send our troops to fight in the Middle East," in the context of the first Gulf War, are you suggesting that you would have opposed military action against Iraq in 1990 had Saddam Hussein invaded a non-oil producing country, as opposed to Kuwait?

  • With both your initial comments and your later clarification -- that upon achieving energy independence "10 or 15 years from now we will not have to send our troops to fight in the Middle East. That's what we want to be sure of" -- did you intend to convey that no other rationale might exist in the future for "send[ing] our troops to fight in the Middle East"? If not, what other future rationale might justify "send[ing] our troops to fight in the Middle East"?
  • In your comments at a town hall meeting in Denver, you said: "I just want to promise you this, my friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will -- that will then prevent us -- that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East." Can we assume from that statement that upon achieving energy independence, you will withdraw all combat troops from Iraq?

CNN aired a clip of McCain's comments. From the May 2 edition of CNN's The Situation Room:

McCAIN: Senator Obama and Senator Clinton want to set a date for withdrawal. That's what they want to do, is get everybody out. I believe that that would lead to catastrophe and chaos, and that we would have the whole region -- including the country -- in such turmoil that we would be required to come back to the region.

And I just want to promise you this. My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will -- that will then prevent us -- that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.

From a May 2 post by Adam Aigner-Treworgy on MSNBC.com's First Read blog:

FULL TRANSCRIPT OF MCCAIN'S DEFENSE---

ABC:
It was just a new way of hearing you talk about it. I mean one of the things, you obviously have talked about why we went in, and weapons of mass destruction.

McCain:
Yeah, yeah. The congressional record is very clear, I said we went to war in Iraq because of Weapons of Mass destruction. Yeah.

ABC:
Phrased as you did today, making it sound like we would never have to fight a war again, well you said we would never have to fight a war again. Well the flip side of that coin is that we had to fight a war now...

McCain:
No no, I was talking about that we had fought the first gulf war for several reasons. One of them was Saddam Hussein's invasion and that's just not something that's acceptable, although countries have invaded other countries in other parts of (inaudible.) But also we didn't want them to have control over the oil, and that part of the world is critical to us because of our dependency on foreign oil. And it's more important than in any other part of the world. But what my point is that the 10 or 15 years from now we will not have to send our troops to fight in the Middle East. That's what we want to be sure of.

NBC:
You've referenced other threats in the Middle East that might require U.S. presence there military presence there. So going beyond that, you linked your energy policy to saying that we would never have to send troops into the Middle East again.

McCain:
Yeah Because we will not have dependency on foreign oil, we will have independency of foreign oil and we will not have to have that as a factor in any conflict that we have to engage in. I mean, look, it's very clear why I supported the war in Iraq. And if the word 'again' was misconstrued, I want us to remove our dependency on foreign oil for national security reasons. That's what I was saying. And that's all I mean. And that's all I mean. And so to put any other interpretation on it, except that our national security will not be threatened because of our dependency on foreign oil is a misinterpretation of any of my remarks. I want to make it clear. We will not have to go into a conflict in the Middle East because of our national security being threatened by our dependence on foreign oil. I don't have anything to elaborate on.

AP:
That comment that you made in the town hall meeting which is why you came back to talk to us. That was, what was in your mind, was you were thinking about the first Gulf War?

McCain:
No, I was thinking about, it's not hard to, we will not, by eliminating our dependency on foreign oil, we will not have to have our national security threatened by a cut off of that oil. Because we will be dependent, because we won't be dependent, we will no longer be dependent on foreign oil. That's what my remarks were.

Go ahead and follow up if you want to.

NBC:
No I understand, as I was talking to Brooke, it came on the heels of your discussion of the 100 years comment, and

McCain: Oh yeah

NBC: how your presence in Iraq had been misinterpreted.

McCain: Oh, I can see that. I can see how that --

NBC: Right on the heels of that comment, it didn't make sense to me when I was writing it, that you were referencing a previous war.

McCain: And I'm sorry if there was a, I'm sorry if there was a misconception of that. And I hope that I cleared it up and I want you to have a nice weekend and we will continue our conversations Saturday and Sunday. But I really want to be clear, I don't want us to have to be dependent on foreign oil which is our, which would then threaten our national security, because of our dependency on it. That's one of the major reasons why we have to have energy independence.

NBC:
More so than just the money we spend on gasoline going to terrorist groups, which you have linked on countless occasions.

McCain: Yeah

NBC: But this is a different sort of link, you're saying that we don't want to have to be dependent on protecting our oil in the Middle East again.

McCain:
No, I don't want us to have to be dependent on foreign oil. I want us to be energy independent. So any decisions that are made, they're not influenced by dependency on foreign oil.

ABC:
Do you think any decisions have been made in recent years that were about our, relating to our dependency?

McCain:
I think that if we're dependent on any thing outside the United States of America, it has to, it has to enter into any calculations that we make. I mean if we're dependent on something from some part of the world, then that has to be part of our calculation that we make. But I, it's obvious that we are dependent on oil from the Middle East and that is something that we have to become independent of, because it's very unstable part of the world.

ABC:
I just think, that that point, which you have made before, or which you made today, is not that short a leap to say then well, we got into Iraq and if that was part of our calculations then that is

McCain:
No, I don't believe we got into Iraq, as I've stated, and I made the debates, and the debates and the discussions a thousand times since then. We went to Iraq because we believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and he was going to use them. That is a very, the congressional record is replete with that and for me to change my view, how many years later, I mean would, just wouldn't be logical.

NBC:
Just one quick follow up then. After you said that the major combat mission was over, once the sort of regime had been overthrown in Iraq: was oil any part of the thought process as to why we needed to stay in Iraq to secure or prevent any sort of chaos in the region, was oil part of that decision.

McCain:
No, we had to conduct it right, not stay. We had to do it right. We did it wrong. Fiasco, Cobra II, read any book about how it was terribly mishandled. It had nothing to do with dependency or non dependency on oil. It had to do with how we handled the post combat phase, which was terribly mishandled for nearly four years, which I fought against and argued against. But we don't want to be dependent on the Middle East for oil, for very obvious reasons. The vagaries of the supply is one of them. And so I hope that there's no confusion about my support for the war in Iraq, and it wasn't to do with oil, it had to do with Saddam Hussein and weapons of mass destruction.

I hope it clears it that up. I'm sorry that the word 'again' somehow caused a, an upheaval.

I look forward to seeing you guys.

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    • Author by werner (May 06, 2008 2:35 pm ET)
         
      Why should the media talk about serious issues when it's much more fun to talk about Jeremiah Wright or "bittergate" or the "increasingly nasty" race between Hillary and Obama?
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      • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 3:49 pm ET)
           
        Has anybody in the media ask McCain about his comments about the G8?
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (May 06, 2008 9:11 pm ET)
             

          MMFA is in error here about the Los Angeles Times.

          They DID cover this wierd statement of McCain's (on Sunday)-- but referred to his later comment that he "clarified" the earlier one--even though McCain said the exact same thing again, just using different words.

          He didn't correct anything-- but they made it appear as if he did! 

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    • Author by tommy (May 06, 2008 2:38 pm ET)
         

      Nice way to get this in here, well done.

      I guess MMFA doesn't wait for misinformation to get misreported anymore, now it's just about advancing stories and suggesting "suggested questions" to the media, to cover what you want, how you want.  

      Advocacy watchdogging at its best. 

      Got it. 

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      • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 3:35 pm ET)
           

        I get it also.

        It seems MMFA wants to talk about the "issues" yet they also want to discuss Cindy McCains finances because Heinz Kerry's were issues in 2004.

        Amazing. 

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        • Author by snoopy (May 06, 2008 3:40 pm ET)
             
          Hmmm, I took it as more of a question - If Heinz-Kerry's finances were so important to know, why don't the media also want to know about McCain's? Perfectly valid question given our right wing brethren continually refer to the MSM as the liberal media.
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          • Author by Sueelldd (May 06, 2008 3:41 pm ET)
               

            If Heinz-Kerry's finances were so important to know, why don't the media also want to know about McCain's?

            I agree.

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          • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
               

            So what happened in 2004 needs to continue in 2008?

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            • Author by snoopy (May 06, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
                 
              Actually, what happened in 2004 is still happening in 2008. McCain gets a free ride while the Democratic candidates get raked over the coals for stupid stuff like flag pins and screechy voices. If you think it's wrong, denounce the whole lot and demand the media stick to the issues (I do believe I've seen you personally do that the other day, though you couched it in a slam on MMFA for covering petty issues).
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              • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 3:48 pm ET)
                   
                I want the media to stick to issues, i could care less about Rev Wright and Cindy McCain.  Stop lying about my positions.
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                • Author by snoopy (May 06, 2008 3:51 pm ET)
                     

                  What am I lying about? 

                  I guess we want to keep on hyping these non issues during the campaign like Cindys tax returns, Obama and the Pastor, Hillary and Bosnia.  What a disgrace that most on here want to play partisan games and not get to real issues like Food prices, gas prices and Iraq. But no we need to make Cindy McCains taxes an issue and how dare the WSJ not discuss it.

                  • - BobtheP / Monday May 5, 2008 3:32:35 PM EDT
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                  • Author by JLyons (May 06, 2008 3:56 pm ET)
                       
                    Snoop, I am confused, Bob the P is saying he wants to talk about issues, why are you suggesting he is not? His statement claims he is correct.
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                    • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 4:00 pm ET)
                         
                      Thanks J, not sure what his point is. 
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                      • Author by dbeden4153 (May 06, 2008 4:29 pm ET)
                           

                        "I do believe I've seen you personally do that the other day, though you couched it in a slam on MMFA for covering petty issues" -Snoopy

                        That was his point.  He said this, then you accuse him of lying.  He gives you the quote to back up his assertion, your quote, then you don't understand what his point is.

                        I think you're just playing games. 

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                        • Author by BottleBlonde (May 06, 2008 7:53 pm ET)
                             

                          Note that it's always the same three voices echoing each other.

                          Media Matters covers this because they should. They're covering the mistakes and shortcomings of our media.

                          The reason Media Matters exists, and the reason we post here, is because we want, desperately, to talk about this issues instead of nonsense. Pointing out the hypocrisy of the media when they fail to cover the left as they did the right or vice versa is their task, and they do it well. We want to talk about the issues. The issue here is the failure of the media to do their job properly.

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                      • Author by snoopy (May 06, 2008 5:48 pm ET)
                           
                        Really can't add anymore to DB's response to you. I didn't accuse you of not wanting to talk about the issues, in fact I noted you said you did. I just also noted you used it as a slam against libs, accusing us of prefering to talk about this garbage over the issues. You may have assumed the 1st part of my statement was directed at you and skipped the qualifier that it didn't mean you in particular.
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        • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 06, 2008 3:41 pm ET)
             

          Bob,

          Do you think there should be different standards for Mrs. McCain and Mrs. Kerry?  I agree that they shouldn't have asked Mrs. Kerry, but why would the WSJ think it was a big deal to get Mrs. Kerry's but not a big deal to get Mrs. McCain's?  I don't want to derail the thread, but were most conservatives saying it was inappropriate to go after Mrs. Kerry's tax returns 4 years ago?  If the WSJ realized it made a mistake, why not publish a column saying they will stick to the issues from now on=

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          • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 3:45 pm ET)
               

            I just think 2004 was 4 years ago, and if the WSJ printed article asking why Kmart stopped sales on Fridays, should they ask the same of Walmart?

            AS far as most conservatives regarding Kerry, I dont know, they hated the man and treated him with disrespect. A war hero should never be treated the way Kerry was.

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            • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 06, 2008 4:04 pm ET)
                 

              Bob,

              I'm not sure your metaphor works here.  If it was an issue that Kerry's wife did not release tax forms, it should be an issue that Mrs. McCain isn't releasing hers.  To make your metaphor work, if the WSJ demanded that one large chain have sales, it should demand the same of a similarly situated competitor.  Those who demanded Mrs. Kerry's tax forms should readily ask the same of Mrs. McCain or admit their mistake 4 years ago.

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              • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 4:05 pm ET)
                   
                Then I would ask them to admit the mistake. 2 wrongs do not make a right.
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                • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 06, 2008 4:15 pm ET)
                     
                  But they aren't admitting a mistake, just choosing to hold the candidates to a double standard.
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                • Author by mescal (May 07, 2008 2:30 am ET)
                     
                  But three do.
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                • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 07, 2008 10:02 am ET)
                     
                  Have you emailed the WSJ to tell them they made a mistake and demand an apology?
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        • Author by carlileb5935 (May 06, 2008 9:12 pm ET)
             
          "yet they also want to discuss Cindy McCains finances because Heinz Kerry's were issues in 2004.

          Amazing. "

          What's wrong with that?

          Oh, I get it. The rules are different for Dems. Yeah. Amazing.

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          • Author by DorisRussell (May 07, 2008 9:08 am ET)
               
            Cindy McCains finances should be an issue in this election.
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    • Author by doggone-ga (May 06, 2008 2:54 pm ET)
         

      "now it's just about advancing stories and suggesting "suggested questions" to the media, to cover what you want, how you want.  "

      Yep, it's a dirty job doing the media's thinking for them...but someone's got to do it.  Thank heaven we have MMFA to step up to the plate for us all.

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    • Author by anotheramerican (May 06, 2008 2:57 pm ET)
         

      I agree with Tommy but as contrary to it's stated mission for MMFA. However everyone already knows that MMFA does not follow it's stated mission and is simply an agenda driven progressive website designed to put talking points out in the hands of Keith Olbermann. :-)

      MMFA provides the answer to it's own set of questions with McCain's subsequent discussion with the people at ABC, NBC, and AP thereby rendering the questions moot.

      Here is the relevant part that I pulled out from above.  McCain said:

      I want us to remove our dependency on foreign oil for national security reasons. That's what I was saying. And that's all I mean. And that's all I mean. And so to put any other interpretation on it, except that our national security will not be threatened because of our dependency on foreign oil is a misinterpretation of any of my remarks. I want to make it clear. We will not have to go into a conflict in the Middle East because of our national security being threatened by our dependence on foreign oil. I don't have anything to elaborate on.
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      • Author by nerzog (May 06, 2008 3:25 pm ET)
           
        Sorry, but I don't think that really explains....

        "that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East"

        Is our national security only at risk in the Middle East? Unless we're going there to secure our oil supply, how would any kind of energy policy keep us from fighting there?

        Gramps stepped on his pecker with this one, and the press is giving him a pass, as usual.
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      • Author by billyziege (May 06, 2008 5:04 pm ET)
           

        I went to MMFA's home and the first paragraph was:

        Media Matters for America is a Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media.

         This is part of the mission statement of MMFA, right?  If so, then there IS a section on correcting conservative information under which I believe this article would reside.  So calling MMFA hypocritical or not matching its mission statment is unfounded.

         

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        • Author by wesley (May 06, 2008 9:10 pm ET)
             
          Good work billy...every newbie thinks they have stumbled on something new when they trot out the mmfa mission statement...now you're caught up with most everyone else.  :-)
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          • Author by billyziege (May 07, 2008 11:25 am ET)
               

            Wesley, I don't post often, but I've been coming to this site since at least 2005.  I don't think the point is new, but when people claim, as AA did, that this is another example of MMFA going against their mission statement, then someone should call them on it.  The best weapon against misinformation is information.  This is actually one of the philosophical underpinnings that both MMFA and I agree on.

            Since no-one had posted the mission statement and some people were criticizing MMFA extensively on this issue, I thought I'd drop that in for this purpose.  I really don't care if people say "wow", and I really don't care if the information is not new.  If repeating misinformation can make believers out of a large portion of this country (hello, Iraq), then we need to take as aggressive a tactic with facts.  

            As regarding why I responded to your name-calling; character assassination wins arguments but is devoid of any real such information.  So, if you'd prefer to see people pontificate without regards to any facts and instead attack their opponents by calling them names like 'elitist' or 'newbie', please feel free to watch Bill O'Reilly or Chris Mathews (the latter being an allusion to  one of my earlier posts).  Otherwise, please refrain from attacking people without any substance.  All it does is separate us, make us angry, and destroy discussion.

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    • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 3:01 pm ET)
         

      So MMFA really burns you lad's bisquits I guess :-0)

      Too bad, so sad. Quit with the cryin'. It's so unmanly :-)

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      • Author by anotheramerican (May 06, 2008 3:19 pm ET)
           

        Now you hurt my feelings. ;-)  

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        • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 3:23 pm ET)
             

          I'm sure you can pull yourself up by the righty bootstraps we all hear about. Now back to McCain and his oxymorons.

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      • Author by jeter2 (May 06, 2008 3:25 pm ET)
           

        Too bad, so sad. Quit with the cryin'

        My sweet Julia, I'm sure you won't mind if I use that line next time you kick up a fuss here, will ya? ;-)

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        • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 3:29 pm ET)
             
          My tears produce nurturance for small fuzzy adorable animals and sweetly scented flowers, so please let me cry all I want, oh handsome one. I implore you my sir.
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        • Author by snoopy (May 06, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
             
          Jeter, are you being a vampire, sucking the fun out of our favorite sport? ;)
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          • Author by jeter2 (May 06, 2008 4:08 pm ET)
               

            Nah I was just being a party pooper ;-)

            Carry on Snoop. I don't want to spoil the fun :-)

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        • Author by Governor (May 06, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
             
          Can't you do this somewhere else?
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    • Author by snoopy (May 06, 2008 3:02 pm ET)
         

      "I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East, that will -- that will then prevent us -- that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East"

      Uh John? You're supposed to be on board for an attack on Iran, remember?

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    • Author by Dem02020 (May 06, 2008 3:12 pm ET)
         

       

      I like the questions, they're very good. I think for the most part Mr. McCain would find them unanswerable, due variously to the complex toughts they contain, and the embarrassment they might cause.

      I especially like this one:

      "...are you suggesting that you would have opposed military action against Iraq in 1990 had Saddam Hussein invaded a non-oil producing country, as opposed to Kuwait?"

      Because yes, McCain's words do suggest that... I'd like to hear him expand further on that.

       

      (As an aside: When the onset of a certian type of dementia in the elderly begins to evidence itself... a dementia that has a more common name, but I don't rightly know how to spell it... at the onset of the symptons of that dementia in the elderly, it is best to keep conversations with Grandpa (and it's usually Grandpa, as Grandma is seldom as affected with this thing as Grandpa is)... it is best to keep conversations limited to simple concepts, and topics both familiar and even long past... such stuff as Frank Sinatra, Guy Lombardo, Lawrence Welk, Gen. Douglas MacArthur, FDR, Joe DiMaggio, the Great Depression and the Cold War, stuff like that... otherwise, Grandpa is likely to get confused, and perplexed, and he gets suddenly embarrassed, and then we get embarrassed, and then Grandma jumps in and saves him and us all... why go there... the best course is to just stay away from complicated talk and thoughts, when Grandpa is in the room. This free medical advice is presented as a Public Service, from the American Alzheimers Association... and now that I see the word typed out, I think yes, maybe I do know how to spell it.)

       

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      • Author by anotheramerican (May 06, 2008 3:23 pm ET)
           
        Your incredibly insensitive reference to Alzeihimer's victims in an attempt to be satirical missed the mark by a mile. You can do better.
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        • Author by jeter2 (May 06, 2008 3:34 pm ET)
             

          AA,

          Ain't it funny how a Democrat thinks nothing of poking fun at Alzheimers but gets all worked up about Hillary being referred to as a vampire?

          I'll never figure out these guys....

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          • Author by tommy (May 06, 2008 3:39 pm ET)
               
            Exactly Jeter, great point.  That selective outrage is a funny thing.
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            • Author by rtwmd1230 (May 06, 2008 4:02 pm ET)
                 
              If Dem were a commentator on a major news network and not just a poster on a media watchdog web site, the charge of selective outrage would be appropriate. As he isn't, the charge is completely falacious.
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              • Author by Dem02020 (May 06, 2008 4:07 pm ET)
                   

                 

                If there's "outrage" anywhere in this matter, then it's in the imaginations of someone, and not in any post of mine.

                 

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          • Author by Governor (May 06, 2008 3:41 pm ET)
               

            a Democrat thinks nothing of poking fun at Alzheimers but gets all worked up about Hillary being referred to as a vampire

             

            Who did this? 

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        • Author by Dem02020 (May 06, 2008 3:47 pm ET)
             

           

          It's sincere and heartfelt advice in the matter... it's even insightful, to those who have little or no experience in the matter... it would be helpful for them to know, that when Grandpa's gears begin to slip, it's best to stay away from complex talk, and new-fangled references... as the drying out of the thinking organ, with the onset of great age, pre-disposes Grandpa to less complex and more simple concepts... and as always, the things that are long-remembered by him, are best remembered by him... and he sure does love to talk about the good 'ol days...

          It's good advice, gathered from actual experience, given from the heart... but wasted on you.

           

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    • Author by pointofview (May 06, 2008 3:17 pm ET)
         
      Of course this violates MMFA mission statment.  They have never been about their so called mission.  All MMFA wants to do plain and simple is control the agenda, and slap the press any time they do not critize conseratives and their ideas.  Just the other day they complained that the press was telling candidates when to quit, and now they are telling the press what to ask the candidates.  Pretty sad.
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      • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 06, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
           

        POV,

        What do you make of McCain's comments? 

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      • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 3:46 pm ET)
           
        I do not think it is sad, but make up our minds? Do we want to talk issues or do we want to talk about the Rev Wright and Cindy McCains money?
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        • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 06, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
             

          Bob,

          I can't speak for everyone, but I want all candidates held to the same level of scrutiny on each issue.  If a preacher is an issue for one, it should be an issue for all.  If the spouse of a Democratic's tax return is an issue, it should be for a Republican candidate. 

          Ultimately, it should be about the issues, but by selectively shining a magnifying glass on some, but not others, some candidates end up with a free pass.

          I would love to see McCain's foreign policy dissected especially this comment and his idea to throw Russia out of the G-8.  I would love to hear why McCain has not co-sponsored the GI Bill or come up with a better alternative.  I would love to hear why McCain only showed up for 4/14 Iraq War votes last year.  I would love to hear how he plans on making up the money from the gas tax holiday for our roads and where he will make up the revenue lost for his tax-cut health plan.  I would love to see someone ask him if he realizes that if he cuts the deficit like Reagan the deficit will triple.  I would love to see the media ask him about his numerous flip-flops.

          But, since that isn't happening, isn't it fair to treat all of the candidates in a similar fashion?

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          • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 4:17 pm ET)
               
            I agree, I want to hear more about McCain and his hostile views on Russia, they are very scary but the media wants to talk about Reverend Wright, Cindy McCain and other garbage.
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    • Author by Chromium (May 06, 2008 3:18 pm ET)
         

      Last month, MMFA had a piece titled "Right-wing radio hosts suggested "damn good" Ayers question to Stephanopoulos day before Dem debate"

      So, apparently MMFA was not pleased with partisan Hannity suggesting questions to the media last month.

      So now it's OK for partisan outlets to suggest questions?  (Or just "progressive" ones?)

       


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      • Author by tommy (May 06, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
           
        Good point, excellent point. Scolding Hannity and Stephanopolous for conspiring questions against Democrats, and then turn around and arrogantly put your own line of questioning out there against McCain is, dare I say, a tad elitist.
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        • Author by nerzog (May 06, 2008 3:28 pm ET)
             
          Um.... I seriously doubt that anyone in the MSM is going to take MMFA's advice and ask Gramps these questions. I think that's the point, isn't it?
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          • Author by Governor (May 06, 2008 3:37 pm ET)
               
            That is indeed the point.  These questions are WAY TOO HARD for McCain.  For a media watchdog to even suggest them is totally out of bounds.  
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            • Author by Chromium (May 06, 2008 4:37 pm ET)
                 

              For a media watchdog to even suggest them is totally out of bounds.  

              It is inconsistent for a partisan "watchdog" group to

              1. post the observation that Hannity suggested that a media rep ask a particular question of a Democrat,

              2. to ask its readers to complain about this via several media web links,

              3. then later to pose questions itself for the media to ask a Republican. 

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              • Author by nerzog (May 06, 2008 5:30 pm ET)
                   
                Let me see if I can help..... MMFA is making what is known as a "rhetorical point". I don't really think they expect anyone to actually ask these questions.
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          • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 3:38 pm ET)
               

            Well I think he deserves more respect than being called "Gramps" from scum like you. can you get over the partisanship? The man spent 5 years in a POW Camp and has more big ones than most.

            Disagree with him on issues, but stop smearing him by calling him "Gramps".

            Can you imagine if Hillary were 71 , and she were called "Grand-ma".  The outrage from you partisan haters would be large.

             

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            • Author by snoopy (May 06, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
                 
              Gramps may be a little OT, but it's a valid point to note that McCain is close to the average death rate of a white male. He's more likely to die in office than someone younger.
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              • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
                   
                His age is a valid point and issue. Calling him "Gramps" is wrong and also hurts elderly people. They are alive also.
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                • Author by snoopy (May 06, 2008 3:49 pm ET)
                     
                  Agreed, I don't refer to him as Gramps and will continue to not do so.
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                • Author by Governor (May 06, 2008 3:51 pm ET)
                     
                  Age and mental capacity are both valid issues to discuss.  After all, the man spent 5 years in a POW Camp.  Running the most powerful country in the world is a big job.  It might be too big for an elderly man who was tortured over several years.
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                  • Author by nerzog (May 06, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
                       
                    If a candidate's *&%$# preacher is fair game, then so is his mental capacity and propensity toward senility.

                    It is quite amusing to hear conservatives demand that we treat their candidate with "respect", just because he's a veteran.

                    Purple Heart Bandaid, anyone? I understand that the GOP has several boxes left from 2004.
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              • Author by anotheramerican (May 06, 2008 3:49 pm ET)
                   

                Snoop,

                Nobody knows how much time they have left. McCain could live to be a hundred and Obama die from cigarette smoking in a year or two. Averages don't mean a thing.

                Calling McCain "Gramps" is ageism.  (Which is illegal when hiring people.) It is similar sexism if one were to not vote for Hillary because she is a woman or racism if not voting for Obama because he is either part black or part white (take your pick). 

                 

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                • Author by anotheramerican (May 06, 2008 3:54 pm ET)
                     

                  Snoop,

                  I see by your previous reply that we are in general agreement.

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                • Author by snoopy (May 06, 2008 3:55 pm ET)
                     
                  AA, as mentioned above, I don't or have never called him gramps, I only refer to his age as a valid issue. But to say averages don't matter? Averages, variation, median, mode and a whole slew of other math related items pretty much drive the whole world! That is quite an amazing statement you just made.
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                  • Author by anotheramerican (May 06, 2008 4:08 pm ET)
                       

                    Snoop,

                    Let me try to clarify. In the context of one person's age, especially one in their early 70's as is McCain, averages don't mean a thing. Because of his good health, we can't say whether McCain will die in office with any more certainty than we can say Reagan or Eisenhower, or for that matter, Kennedy, would die in office.  

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                    • Author by Craig (May 06, 2008 4:50 pm ET)
                         

                      His apparent good health.

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                    • Author by snoopy (May 06, 2008 5:56 pm ET)
                         
                      We will probably have to disagree. I deal in statistics daily, so I'd say if you looked at all the right factors you can get a close enough for horseshoes estimate. The more data you can supply (smoking? how much? drinking? how much? running?...) helps narrow down your variation. I know he likes a drink, so while I do understand your position, I'll qualify mine further by saying because he drinks and had melanomas he is at higher risk and is therefore more likely to die in office than Obama or Hillary.
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                • Author by JLyons (May 06, 2008 3:57 pm ET)
                     

                  I agree AA.

                  I do not like McCain, but I would never make fun of his age, just like I do not want anyone making fun of my sex or race.

                   

                   

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            • Author by nerzog (May 06, 2008 4:01 pm ET)
                 
              Calling him Gramps is a smear? You have something against Grandparents?

              When I call him Gramps, I mean it with all due respect.

              By the way, why didn't Gramps raise hell when one of his sycophants called Hillary a b*tch? If he's so sensitive he should have discouraged such disrespect from his supporters.
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              • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 4:05 pm ET)
                   
                Gramps is pretty tame stuff compared to bitch. I don't think Gramps is a pejorative. I call Paul Harvey gramps too. He sounds very grandfatherly. Even if it is meant as a perjorative, is it so bad? I think not. I will now call him Geezer.
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              • Author by pointofview (May 06, 2008 4:06 pm ET)
                   
                People here call him gramps as a smear and you know it.  If any sexist comment or racial comment were made against the dems they would be outraged, yet you and the Col and many others here find it ok to attack him in that manner.  it is a clear double standard and an attack that the left would not stand for were it made against on of their candidates. 
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                • Author by Sueelldd (May 06, 2008 4:11 pm ET)
                     
                  I agree
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                • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 4:12 pm ET)
                     
                  Whatever, You have very deftly subverted the topic of the thread. I guess you and Bob and Tommy and AA don't really want to talk about McCain's schizophrenic foreign policy ideas.
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                  • Author by tommy (May 06, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
                       

                    But, ahhh, wait.  I thought the topic was the media coverage of such issues, I mean, I get scolded often for discussing the meat of the topic and not the medias handling of it, specifically.

                    Have the rules suddenly changed?, 'cuz I wanna know...... 

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                  • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 4:18 pm ET)
                       
                    I do, lets talk about his hostile postion on Russia. Where have I ever said we should not talk about the issues? 
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                    • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 4:21 pm ET)
                         
                      You still have not talked about the issue. Let's have it. What about Russia. Do you think we should expel them from the G8 like McCain wants?
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                      • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 4:23 pm ET)
                           

                        Absolutely not, I want to talk to Russia and engage with Russia.

                        I still feel Obama is the best for this job, he will engage diplomacy first.

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                  • Author by pointofview (May 06, 2008 6:39 pm ET)
                       

                    juliajayne

                    Wow..the ultimate debating point and come back.  "whatever".  Cant think of a way to fight that one. 

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                • Author by nerzog (May 06, 2008 4:14 pm ET)
                     
                  Think of it as a term of endearment. Compared to what Rush Limbaugh and his fellow professional liars have been saying about Liberals for the past 18 years, Gramps is a kiss on the cheek.

                  Therefore, your self-righteous indignation is duly noted, and wantonly disregarded.
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                  • Author by pointofview (May 06, 2008 6:40 pm ET)
                       
                    Of course you disregard it.  Thats why it is a double standard......The libs have been dealing in them for 40 years. 
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                    • Author by friedbergboy1422 (May 07, 2008 10:07 am ET)
                         

                      POV,

                      Who in the media has been mocking McCain's age?  We have had countless clips of McCain laughing at a "bitch" joke, and a guy brought on television to tell it.  Honestly, and maybe I have missed it, but I have not seen a single television guy call McCain "Gramps."  Have you?

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              • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 4:06 pm ET)
                   

                Anyone calling Senator Clinton names is disgusting, as i have stated before 2 wrongs do not make one right. 

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                • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
                     
                  Do you have anything to say about McCain's policy ideas, yes or no. You want some issues. Talk about them.
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                  • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
                       
                    I have please read.  His postions on Russia scare me.  Lets talk about that not about The Rev Wright or Cindy McCains money, that gets America no where. Are you that dense honey?
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                    • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 4:23 pm ET)
                         
                      Are you crazy, sweetie? I asked you repeatedly to cover an issue. I ask you a very pointed question above. I guess you really do not want to talk issues when you respond like that, dearie.
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                      • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 4:24 pm ET)
                           
                        You need to read this thread honey. I have stated over and over that the McCain position on Russia is scary. How else should i discuss it?
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                        • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 4:50 pm ET)
                             
                          With some detail, baby. Telling me you're scared isn't very detailed. Tommy is that you, honey? Bob sounds an awful lot like Tommy with all of his honeys. Just sayin', honey.
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            • Author by rtwmd1230 (May 06, 2008 4:34 pm ET)
                 
              "Has more big ones"?
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (May 06, 2008 4:53 pm ET)
                   

                "Has more big ones"?

                "..more back issues of Big 'uns"?

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                • Author by rtwmd1230 (May 06, 2008 4:58 pm ET)
                     
                  I hope we're not getting into Bob Dole territory here.
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    • Author by wesley (May 06, 2008 4:22 pm ET)
         

       -- why have gas prices skyrocketed since the war began? -- mmfa

      Pure partisan bullcrap by mmfa. Well here's one that makes just as much sense:

      Why have gas prices skyrocketed after the democrats took control of congress? 

      Brock and Co. in charge of national security and energy independence...oh my aching ass...LOL. 

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      • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
           
        Sorry about your butt Wesley. I hope it gets better.
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      • Author by nerzog (May 06, 2008 4:29 pm ET)
           
        Rub dirt on it.
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      • Author by rtwmd1230 (May 06, 2008 4:37 pm ET)
           
        When did Brock announce his candidacy?
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        • Author by RoberttheP (May 06, 2008 4:41 pm ET)
             
          Who is Brock?
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          • Author by juliajayne (May 06, 2008 4:53 pm ET)
               

            Some of these clown haven't yet figured out that MMFA isn't a news organization. David Brock is the guy who runs this site.

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      • Author by nerzog (May 06, 2008 4:56 pm ET)
           
        "Brock and Co. in charge of national security and energy independence"

        My guess is that they'd do a much better job than President Numbnuts.... oops.... is that being disrespectful to your Moron in Chief?
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        • Author by wesley (May 06, 2008 5:14 pm ET)
             

          No different than Penn Jillette calling Hillary a white bitch.

          I'm not offended...hope you're not. 

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    • Author by fsted3712 (May 06, 2008 6:44 pm ET)
         
      Mr. McCain will have to answer for all the quetionable comments come election time.  You can bet that Bubba and Dean will have something to say. 
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    • Author by Rod Paul (May 07, 2008 3:22 am ET)
         

      "If eliminating our dependence on foreign oil means "we will not have to send our troops to fight in the Middle East," in the context of the first Gulf War, are you suggesting that you would have opposed military action against Iraq in 1990 had Saddam Hussein invaded a non-oil producing country, as opposed to Kuwait?"

      What a straw man question! The only reason Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait was because of the oil! 

      I have no idea what McCain meant with his fumble-mouth comment and "clarification."

      But isn't it an axiom of the Left that US dependence on foreign oil leads to foreign policies that lead to animosity from the peoples of the Middle East?

      So rather than playing "gotcha," why doesn't MMFA encourage getting McCain to make a firm commitment to changing that dependence -- and that foreign policy? 

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (May 07, 2008 11:02 am ET)
         

      I think they are, in vauge terms. Trying to put a light on what the media does for john though missinformation is within the mission statement. Offering questions that he should be asked by the media, also. You could say that is encouragement. Your sugestion sounds more like something for lobbists, or any concerned citizen to do.

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    • Author by historygeek001 (May 07, 2008 3:46 pm ET)
         
      I've read all kinds of posts about whether it is appropriate for MMFA to post these questions, though I stopped reading after about 70 or 80--how about looking at the substance of the suggested questions?  I am more concerned with their substance and the fact that nobody is asking McCain anything like this than I am with whether MMFA should be suggesting the questions in the first place. 
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    • Author by netsez00565 (May 07, 2008 7:38 pm ET)
         

      Let me calm MM and its fans that fear the press is soft on McCain.  As soon as Obama is officially the nominee the press will continue to back him and will turn on McCain in full force.

      Obama will win and the press will run out of adjectives to praise him.  Sharpton and Jackson will continue to tell us how racisit America is.

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