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Will falsely claimed Clinton became Yankee fan "retroactively"

May 08, 2008 12:40 pm ET
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SUMMARY: In his column, George F. Will claimed that "Hillary Clinton, 60, Illinois native and Arkansas lawyer, became, retroactively, a lifelong Yankee fan at age 52, when, shopping for a U.S. Senate seat, she adopted New York state as home sweet home." However, the idea that Clinton proclaimed herself a Yankees fan "retroactively" is a myth commonly repeated in the media and contradicted by the evidence.

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In his May 8 Washington Post column, headlined "Yankee Fan Go Home," George F. Will claimed that "[Sen.] Hillary Clinton, 60, Illinois native and Arkansas lawyer, became, retroactively, a lifelong Yankee fan at age 52, when, shopping for a U.S. Senate seat, she adopted New York state as home sweet home." However, the idea that Clinton proclaimed herself a Yankees fan "retroactively" is a myth commonly repeated in the media and contradicted by the evidence, including reporting in The Washington Post. As Media Matters for America has repeatedly noted, Clinton's 2003 autobiography, Living History (Simon & Schuster), contains a photograph of her wearing a Yankees cap in 1992 -- eight years before she ran for the Senate. Further, The Washington Post reported on September 12, 1994, that "Mrs. Clinton ... as a kid was a 'big-time' fan of the Chicago Cubs and New York Yankees and 'understudied' Ernie Banks and Mickey Mantle." This is the second time in a week that Will has made false claims in his columns.

As Media Matters has previously noted, conservatives and media figures have falsely claimed that Clinton proclaimed herself a Yankee fan only after she decided to run for the Senate in New York, and have used Clinton's comments about the Yankees and her wearing of a Yankees cap to question her "authenticity."

From Will's May 8 Washington Post column:

Hillary Clinton, 60, Illinois native and Arkansas lawyer, became, retroactively, a lifelong Yankee fan at age 52 when, shopping for a U.S. Senate seat, she adopted New York state as home sweet home. She may think, or at least would argue, that when she was 12 her Yankees really won the 1960 World Series, by standards of "fairness," because they trounced the Pirates in runs scored, 55-27, over seven games, so there.

Unfortunately, baseball's rules -- pesky nuisances, rules -- say it matters how runs are distributed during a World Series. The Pirates won four games, which is the point of the exercise, by a total margin of seven runs, while the Yankees were winning three by a total of 35 runs. You can look it up.

After Tuesday's split decisions in Indiana and North Carolina, Clinton, the Yankee Clipperette, can, and hence eventually will, creatively argue that she is really ahead of Barack Obama, or at any rate she is sort of tied, mathematically or morally or something, in popular votes, or delegates, or some combination of the two, as determined by Fermat's Last Theorem, or something, in states whose names begin with vowels, or maybe consonants, or perhaps some mixture of the two as determined by listening to a recording of the Beach Boys' "Help Me, Rhonda" played backward, or whatever other formula is most helpful to her, and counting the votes she received in Michigan, where hers was the only contending name on the ballot (her chief rivals, quaintly obeying their party's rules, boycotted the state, which had violated the party's rules for scheduling primaries), and counting the votes she received in Florida, which, like Michigan, was a scofflaw and where no one campaigned, and dividing Obama's delegate advantage in caucus states by pi multiplied by the square root of Yankee Stadium's Zip code.

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    • Author by WildcatProgressive (May 08, 2008 12:53 pm ET)
         
      George is usually a more principled guy than this.  This sort of repetitive falsehood is more in keeping with the morons on (or who watch) Faux News.
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    • Author by juliajayne (May 08, 2008 12:55 pm ET)
         

      From the snarkiness of this column, it could have been written by Maureen Dowd. Has George Will always been this snarky?

      Research, George, research from your own paper. It isn't that hard.

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    • Author by truthseeker77 (May 08, 2008 1:57 pm ET)
         
      Sadly, Will reaches by far more readers than Media Matters. Indeed, he is the most widely read columnist in the Unuted States. Many readers, perhaps most of those who read his falsehood will continue to believe that Clinton "switched" teams to please New Yorkers.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (May 08, 2008 2:26 pm ET)
         
      Who gives a rat's behind? When I was a kid I liked the White Sox...and I also liked the Tigers, too. Now I'm a Yankees fan. Who cares...?
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    • Author by wesley (May 08, 2008 2:37 pm ET)
         

       -- and 'understudied' Ernie Banks and Mickey Mantle. -- Hillary Clinton

      What in the world is that supposed to mean? 

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      • Author by therick (May 08, 2008 4:42 pm ET)
           
        Sounded like Banks and Mantle wanted to be on top.  :-)
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (May 08, 2008 8:52 pm ET)
           
        I have gotten "beat up" over this a couple of times on related posts.  Apparently "understudy" is the word used by the reporter (one who knows nothing about the meaning of the word, it seems).  I don't think at any time in her life was HRC ready to step in for Ernie or the Mick as an understudy would have to actually be ready to do.
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    • Author by anotheramerican (May 08, 2008 2:39 pm ET)
         

      For Hillary to claim she was a lifelong NYY fan while while she pandered for votes from New Yorkers when running as a carpetbagger Senate candidate is laughable. For MMFA to continually bring it up and use the fact that she once donned a NYY cap while campaigning for Bill is about as flimsy as it gets.

      It's like saying that you didn't know your pastor was anti-American after listening to his sermons for 20 years and saying you just happened to miss those sermons.

      Whether it is true or not, both Hillary and Obama looks ridiculous to make either claims when it is obvious that it was self serving to do so. Will makes a good point that Hillary is doing the same thing now of making outlandish and highly questionable claims of somehow leading in vote count in order to justify remaining in the race.   

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      • Author by truthseeker77 (May 08, 2008 2:54 pm ET)
           

        Hey half-wit, the evidence is more than wearing a cap. Did you read the 1994 Washington Post article? It desbribes her as a BIG TIME FAN of the Cubs and Yankees interested in Mickey Mantle.

        Ignorant.

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        • Author by anotheramerican (May 08, 2008 3:34 pm ET)
             

          Truth,

          Thanks for the half compliment. :-)

          Do you know the relevant quote Hillary made in that article to which you refer that proves her devotion to the Yankees?

          If you can find her actually saying she was lifelong fan of the NYY let me know. 

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          • Author by IRONY 101 (May 08, 2008 3:43 pm ET)
               

            If she can tell me what positions Whitey Ford, Yogi Berra, Moose Skowron, Bobby Richardson, Cletis Boyer, Tony Kubek, Elston Howard, Mickey Mantle and Roger Maris played... and the order in which they batted I'll believe her.  ;>)

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            • Author by oscar the grouch (May 09, 2008 12:34 am ET)
                 

              Let's try it from memory before "googling" it

              1. Richardson 2b

              2. Kubek SS

              3. Mantle CF

              4. Maris RF

              5. Skowron 1B

              6. Boyer 3B

              7. Howard LF

              8. Berra C

              9. Ford P

               

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              • Author by IRONY 101 (May 09, 2008 8:28 am ET)
                   
                I think Mantle batted fourth, Maris third... Otherwise that batting order looks pretty good. 
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              • Author by IRONY 101 (May 09, 2008 8:28 am ET)
                   
                I think Mantle batted fourth, Maris third... Otherwise that batting order looks pretty good. 
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                • Author by oscar the grouch (May 09, 2008 7:32 pm ET)
                     
                  Found a couple of lineups on-line, neither of which matched the above, but they didn't match each other either so...... Yeah, Mantle batted 4th, Maris 3rd (at least on the two lineups I saw).  But it was a good lineup, top to bottom and pretty interchangeable.
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          • Author by therick (May 08, 2008 4:45 pm ET)
               

            "Truth, Thanks for the half compliment. :-)"--AA

            When he said "half-wit," I thought he was exaggerating too!  :-)

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          • Author by mefirst (May 08, 2008 5:54 pm ET)
               
            what good would it have done for hillary to claim she was a yankees fan in 1994?  she obviously told the reporter for the post that she was a fan, that's why he wrote it.  there were many people all over this country who were yankees fans at the time, because they were constantly winning the world series.
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      • Author by funnymanpants (May 08, 2008 4:33 pm ET)
           

        AA wrote:

        >>Whether it is true or not, both Hillary and Obama looks ridiculous to make either claims when it is obvious that it was self serving to do so.

        Wow, AA, you are really sounding like a freeper (right wing reactionary) today. What a stupid, stupid, post! You manage to get two digs in, one very, very dumb, and the other just normally dumb.

        First, to your pathetically stupid point. Do you have any evidence that Hilary was not a Yankee fan? Her biographer claims she was one, and provides a picture of her in a Yankee's cap. Is there any reason to doubt the physical proof and her biographer? You know, usually when someone provides physical evidence, the other side should have something equal to refute it. Instead, you simply dismiss it with a rhetorical flourish. It's just a picture, you state. I guess if you were in court and someone showed your client pulling the trigger of the gun, you would also say "Look, are we going to convict someone on the evidence of just one picture?"

        Second, to your less stupid point. (To be fair, at least this point makes sense; it is just that you had to throw it in as a gratitutous swipe at Obama.) Over the 20 years of sermons that Wright gave, there are numerous DVDs for sale. The inflamatory comments he made consist of six minutes. Do I believe that in 20 years of sermons that Obama was not there for six minutes? Gee, that is just so hard to believe. How can I wrap my mind around it. 

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        • Author by funnymanpants (May 08, 2008 4:46 pm ET)
             

          FMP wrote:

          >>Her biographer claims she was one, and provides a picture of her in a Yankee's cap. Is there any reason to doubt the physical proof and her biographer?

          My mistake. The book is an autobiography. But my point still stands about the picture and the Wa Post article, which is quoted in the MMFA piece. Again, AA, do you have anything to back up your claim? Oh, right wing skepticism is not the same as proof. Merely believing Clinton lied is not the same as showing that she did so.  

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          • Author by anotheramerican (May 08, 2008 9:32 pm ET)
               

            Funny,

            You are correct. It was two digs for the price of one. :-)  I found Hillary's exhortation that she was a Yankee's fan to be completely self serving and gratuitous. Even if she were truly a NYY fan you'd think she'd have enough political sense to recognize how far fetched it is for her to say it. 

            So her biographer made a passing reference to the NYY without attributing it to any quote from Hillary so maybe the writer took literary license and Hillary decided to pander to that quote later?  Maybe she did like the Yankees. However I have not seen anything other than this one staged picture and this passing reference to convince me that Hillary was doing anything more than pandering. True baseball fans give more than a passing reference to one player on another team to prove their sincerity. She simply struck out making claiming to be a fan of the Yankees when everyone knows she grew up in Chicago.

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      • Author by solon (May 08, 2008 7:05 pm ET)
           
        Because after 20 years of those sermons the rightwing was able to dig up about three out of context controversial statements. To the AA patriotism police that is enough to condemn him as anti American because it is those like AA who are the REAL arbiters of what is and what isnt American. The patriotism police are much MORE American than us mere mortals and it is THEIR judgement that settles such issues. In their ARROGANCE and STUPIDITY they THINK God put THEM on a pedestal to judge for us mere mortals what is and what isnt an American thing to say. Its ignorant but its what the hivemind does its what they ARE.
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        • Author by anotheramerican (May 08, 2008 9:39 pm ET)
             

          Solon,

          Maybe you missed Rev. Wright's Q&A at the Press Club?  I do believe his comments pretty well solidified for everyone except you the real Rev. Wright.   From what I read Obama shares my opinion. Are you accusing him too?

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      • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (May 08, 2008 7:28 pm ET)
           

        It's like saying that you didn't know your pastor was anti-American after listening to his sermons for 20 years and saying you just happened to miss those sermons.

        No wonder Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, Neal Boortz, Bill Bennett, Rush Linbo, Bill Kristol, George Will, Michale Savage, Michael Medved, Paul Wolfowtitz, Dick Cheney, Rick Santorum, Karl Rove, Richard Shelby, Dana Rohrabacher, Richard Perle, Trent Lott, Newt Gingrich, Bill Frist, Phil Gramm, Dennis Hastert, Tom Delay, John Ashcroft, Roy Blunt, Saxby Chambliss, Jeb Bush, Douglas Feith, Tom Hutchison, Mitch McConnell, Vin Weber, J C Watts DID NOT serve. That anti-American pastor beat them to it!

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        • Author by solon (May 08, 2008 8:25 pm ET)
             
          Yeah but does he wear a LAPEL PIN because THAT is where patriotism REALLY is.
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        • Author by anotheramerican (May 08, 2008 9:41 pm ET)
             

          Pearlene,

          You forgot Bill Clinton. :-)  

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          • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (May 08, 2008 10:12 pm ET)
               

            Sorry I haven't completed the Republicans yet. I forgot to add, Eliot Abrams did not serve, Jon Kyl did not serve, Christopher Cox did not serve, Rudy Giuliani did not serve, George Pataki did not serve, Spencer Abraham did not serve, Ralph Reed did not serve, Clarence Thomas did not serve, Antonin Scalia did not serve, Kenneth Starr did not serve, John M. McHugh did not serve.

            Sorry AA, there were so many on the Republican list I haven't had time to note Bill. :-)
             

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            • Author by anotheramerican (May 09, 2008 12:03 am ET)
                 

              Pearlene,

              Glad to be help. You also forgot to mention Barak Obama and Hillary Clinton didn't serve but McCain did.

              Hmmmm. So what is your point again?  

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              • Author by pearlene_scott1602 (May 09, 2008 1:43 pm ET)
                   

                It's like saying that you didn't know your pastor was anti-American after listening to his sermons for 20 years and saying you just happened to miss those sermons.

                Ah AA, how quickly you forget calling a man who served his country honorably "anti-American". I was simply pointing out that there are Republicans, Republican members of Congress and Republicans talk shows blowhards and of course YOU all having the nerve to define what is pro and anti American. How many of you guys put you life on the line for the country YOU claim? Rev. Wright put HIS life on the line for his country and YOU and your blowhard Republicans friends all the NERVE to call him anti-American yet none of you showed up to serve. Some avoided the draft with phony excuses, others never bothered to serve at all and yet you all feel you can define patriotism.

                What is patriotism? One who sits on the side line, petty excuse available, out of the line of fire? Or one who puts his life on the line , willing to die in defense of his country?

                There are many things about Rev. Wright to dislike, your anti-American bull sh*t is not one. 

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    • Author by jeter2 (May 08, 2008 2:49 pm ET)
         

      Good grief is this still being discussed? And by George Will of all people. Gawd I thought this guy was a tad better than most.

      So I guess if Hillary was lying about being a lifelong Yankee fan she didn't care about attracting Mets fans as voters?

      File this under: Dumb & pointless.

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (May 08, 2008 2:54 pm ET)
           
        Sorry, Jeter, but the Dumb & Pointless file is filled byond capacity. Any other suggestions?  ;>)
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        • Author by jeter2 (May 08, 2008 3:03 pm ET)
             

          Try the Stupid & Lame file.

          If that's filled too, just flush it down the toilet ;-)

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          • Author by therick (May 08, 2008 4:53 pm ET)
               

            Tried, but the toilet's backed up and overflowing.  I told them not to put BS in it.  :-)

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    • Author by chin music (May 09, 2008 10:43 am ET)
         
      the georges, will and w, are mostly why I don't care about baseball anymore.
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    • Author by MissDee (May 09, 2008 11:49 am ET)
         

      Keeee-rist!  Don't you people have better piles of pepper to  pick fly poop out of?  Talk about rabid paranoid agendas or what?

       

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      • Author by hogprint (May 09, 2008 11:20 pm ET)
           

        I agree...total waste of time.  Every POTUS (and wannabe potus's)has donned a baseball cap of the home team of whatever city they happen to catch a game in.  In fact every year the winning World Series/Super Bowl/Stanley Cup/NCAA (football and B-ball) champ dutifully do a photo op on the White House lawn and inevitably give the big man a hat/bat/jersey to put in the White House basement fun room.  

        Isn't it just like Shrillary, the girl from IL to carpetbag a yankee hat when she should be proudly wearing a Cubbies or White Sox hat!  

        Speaking of Shrillary...The MSM has been running 24/7 with should she stay or go.  I can't BELIEVE there is no conservative misinformation floating around the last three days.  

        Has MMfA turned it's back on Shrill?   

         

         

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