Wash. Times issues correction for uncritically quoting Indiana man calling Obama a Muslim
As Media Matters for America noted, a May 7 Washington Times article that ran in the online and print editions uncritically quoted an Indiana man saying of Sen. Barack Obama, "I can't stand him. ... He's a Muslim. He's not even pro-American as far as I'm concerned." In the May 9 edition of the Times, the following clarification was issued: "An article in Wednesday's editions about the Indiana primary election quoted a man who said he thought Sen. Barack Obama was a Muslim. The article inadvertently failed to note that Mr. Obama is in fact a Christian."
The online version of the Times article has been updated with a note stating: "This story was updated May 8 with the following clarification: Mr. Obama is in fact a Christian and regular church-goer, although polls show a minority of Americans mistakenly believe him to be a Muslim."
Reports in the Los Angeles Times and on washingtonpost.com and the Baltimore Sun's website also contained the same quote without noting that it was false; these publications have yet to issue corrections.
Mr. Obama is in fact a Christian and regular church-goer
Most people who actually pay any attention to news will know that Obama is not a Muslim. However, I think its the Church going part thats going to hurt him in the long run...a regular attendee in the Rev Wright house of hate is not going to gain any pts with white voters, who make up about what, 75-80% of the population?
Again, stuff & nonsense. Cindi McCain, nor Rev. Wright, nor Michelle Obama are running for office. Their pasts speak for themselves whether it be in a positive or negative light for their connection to the political figure.
However, with how much you talk about her, are you sure there isnt a little sercret obsession going on here? You aren't a celebrity stalker are you?
You have managed to completely contradict yourself in just two quick posts:
I think its the Church going part thats going to hurt him in the long run...a regular attendee in the Rev Wright house of hate is not going to gain any pts with white voters
No I did not. What is said is very easy to understand, when you are not trying to purposely over analyze.
Rev. Wright is not running for Office, BO is. And BO is going to be affected by the actions of how he conducted himself in relation to Rev. Wright, when it comes down to the voters.
Cindi McCain was not a race baiting hater, who preached hatred of blacks to John McCain for 20 years. She had a personal addiction to prescription medication, made wrong and illegal decisions, and got caught. However, if you know anything about the good she had done, you will know that it will outshine her addiction of 20 years ago.
The difference between the two? She had a one time addiction twenty years ago. BO has been a regular attendee of Rev Wright for 20 years RUNNING.
Pick another....
I think its more along the lines of Wrights present, not his past, that speaks for Obama's campaign. The fact that Obama did not denounce the 20yrs of rhetoric that hes attended "regularly" (as the article here suggests), leaves voters wonder what he really thinks and is he only denouncing because he got caught.
Yes
Obama's church doesn't hate white people. Obama's ex-pastor has an issue with the establishment. Would it be wrong for a Jewish person to hate a Nazi or a country that represented Nazi ideals. Would it be wrong for an Iraqi child to hate an American after seeing his temple blown up for weapons of mass destruction that don't exist?
Is it wrong for an African-American to have resentment towards the establishment after seeing some atrocious treatment by police, drug infested neighborhoods and many other atrocities? Please remember our government is the same government that ran tested prolong exposure of STD's on unknowing African-American males. The "Tuskegee Experiment was government funded. African-Americans just received their civil rights in the 1960. It hasn't even been a full 50 years and you expect a whole generation, who has seen some of the most atrocious treatment because of the color of their skin, to just forget. Right. Like you America just forgot about communist Russia, Fidel Castro or any other enemy of the state.
August,
Even though you make some valid points they are about 40-60 years out of date.
The Tuskegee study started in the 1932 with the progressive FDR administration. All 399 test subjects already had contracted syphilis. Treatments at the time were ineffective and had severe side effects. The study had the consent of both black and white doctors. That is not to diminish the fact that these men were mislead and not treated when a cure was found 10 years later. That is abhorent and a very sad chapter in our country's history.
The Tuskegee study started in the 1932
FACT: Tuskegee Experiment was a clinical study, conducted between 1932 and 1972 in Tuskegee, Alabama
Col.
You are wrong again in your assertion. I only pointed out a few facts, (although I did make a mistake with my snarky comment about FDR,) to bring a little clarity to the subject.
Pearlene, Yes the study did go on until 1972. However no new test subjects were ever added to the original study. The intent on the study was to follow the 399 through their lives to see what effect syphilis had on their health. It was a terrible to do so. I am in no way trying to minimize that.
Huh???? FDR didn't assume office until March 4, 1933. So much for the
Tuskegee Experiment starting under "progressive" Roosevelt administration.
....Fred
Mind you - it took a Republican president to apologize for this shameful act by "progressives."
Fred,
Thanks for the correction. I apologize for my mistake.
Mind you - it took a Republican president to apologize for this shameful act by "progressives."
Fred,
Thanks for the correction. I apologize for my mistake.
Mind you - it took a Republican president to apologize for this shameful act by "progressives."
We've been over and over this. The Trinity Church has white members who are welcomed and loved. These kind of blanket accusations just muddy up the conversation. You might think "liberation theology" as interpreted by Wright too one sided, but the congregation has many other things going on and their ministries and emphasis on Jesus and his concern for the poor is what attracts people to membership there.
In his mind the prosperous are blessed because of their hard work. The logic is that the prosperous are disciplined and therefore moral. The poor are not prosperous because they are not disciplined, therefore they cannot be moral and they deserve their poverty.
It's a good way to rationalize one's station in life while simultaneously excusing the responsibility of elites to be good shepards of the community by providing living wages to the laborers who provide the wealthy with a fabulous living standard.
Sick but effective.
Wow...lets see. I hate my wife vs. I hate white people. Yeah, I can see your point.
Wow, contrasting assertions equally non-based in fact.
Wright and his church have made no statements that indicate any hatred of whites.
I have never called my wife a c*nt. IMO, if a husband has that little respect for his wife perhaps it's time for new wife.
Irony, I wouldn't call my wife that either...then again I wouldn't get a BJ in the West Wing of our home with a girl young enough to be my daughter. Seems to me that shows far less respect for a wife...if you get my drift.
Do you think Bill Clinton should have gotten a new wife too?
Irony, I wouldn't call my wife that either...then again I wouldn't get a BJ in the West Wing of our home with a girl young enough to be my daughter. Seems to me that shows far less respect for a wife...if you get my drift...jeter2
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Nice attempt at deflection, jeter ... but Bill Clinton is not on the ballot. How lmuch longer until we can call a moratorium on the "But Bill Clinton..." whining?" I know it's fun, but come on ... he's been gone for eight years. Time to let it go .. :)
Hey if Irony thinks McCain alledgedly calling his wife a "C#NT" is disrepectful & McCain should get a new wife...then me bringing up Clinton cheating on his wife as being just, if not more, disrespectful is fair.
You just don't like to hear it ;-)
However, if you know anything about the good she had done, you will know that it will outshine her addiction of 20 years ago.
The difference between the two? She had a one time addiction twenty years ago. BO has been a regular attendee of Rev Wright for 20 years RUNNING. - columbus
LOL. So she's done a lot of good like charity I'm gonna guess. And I guess serving in the Marines isn't seen as a good thing anymore? See, agree or disagree, Reverend Wright has earned the right to criticize his country, he's served. The only thing your serving right now is some good old fashion satire. Thanks for the free entertainment.
But that is, apparently, not good enough for Columbus. I guess to be truly worthy of forgiveness in Columbus' fevered radical rightwing world one must first transgress big time. You have to bilk the charities you profess to steward.
...a regular attendee in the Rev Wright house of hate
And you accuse me of having an obsession with someone who is not a candidate? LOL... Check with your bretheren on the right wing. Are they planning to at least chip in to buy Jeremiah Wright a new name because I'm pretty sure they already worn this one out from overuse? ;>)
Did Rev. Wright molest you? Sounds like you liked it too.
Security! Security...! Perhaps it's time for the moderators here to take a look at Colombus' posts... Thanks for revealing yourself as a twisted fool.
However, I think its the Church going part thats going to hurt him in the long run...a regular attendee in the Rev Wright house of hate is not going to gain any pts with white voters, who make up about what, 75-80% of the population? - Columbus
Interesting. And yet, you leave out that the church won't help McCain who openly accepts endorsements of bigots. I hope you understand, for every bobblehead who makes Rev. Wright the issue there will be a member from the liberal media who points to Hagee or Robertson or any other extreme preacher of the word. I love how you doubters have so much to say about what other white voters will do because of the circle of racist you hang around. I also love how Fox and other conservative comedians are trying to make an issue out of blacks voting overwhelmingly for Obama. As if blacks didn't vote overwhemingly for Kerry, Clinton and Kennedy. lol. comedians.
endorsement for political motivation and harboring votes, is different than a personal religious relationship.
Obama has been social with Ayers for over a year, so does Obama now promote bombing of innocent american civilians?
columbus wrote:
>>endorsement for political motivation and harboring votes, is different than a personal religious relationship.
Yes, it is different. It shows that McCain will sacrifice his own principals just to win an election. Why should we trust a man like that? Or, put another way, your argument is one of special pleading.
Obama now promote bombing of innocent american civilians?
YOUR pathetic "guilt by association" crap is OLD!
BLAME YOUR government for Ayers never being charged! BLAME YOUR government for BREAKING THE LAW!
In 1973, the FBI established the 'Special Target Information Development' program, where agents were sent undercover to penetrate the Weather Underground. Due to the illegal tactics of FBI agents involved with the program, government attorneys requested all weapons and bomb related charges be dropped against the Weather Underground. The Weather Underground was no longer a fugitive organization and could turn themselves in with minimal charges against them
August,
What makes you think Hagee is a bigot?
Loonz,
Do you have any link to that number of deceased? It seems rather high to me.
It should be noted that Hagee apologized and retracted that Katrina comment in which he argued that the storm was God's wrath against gays.
"Hagee, pastor of the 16,000-member Cornerstone Church, last week had announced a 'slave sale' to raise funds for high school seniors in his church bulletin, 'The Cluster.' "The item was introduced with the sentence 'Slavery in America is returning to Cornerstone" and ended with "Make plans to come and go home with a slave."
LOL
How will McCain explain seeking the endorsement of this nut?
After criticism from black leaders and others, a television evangelist apologized today for inviting his parishioners to participate in a "slave auction" to raise money for high school students.
We certainly did not intend to offend anyone and apologize to anyone offended," said the Rev. John Hagee of Cornerstone Church, a nondenominational church.'
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9906E0DF1F39F936A35750C0A960958260ps. I agree with you as wondering why McCain would seek his endorsement.
Most people who actually pay any attention to news will know that Obama is not a Muslim.
When the news one pays attention to is false, then what one knows is based on falsehood.
Most people who actually pay any attention to news will know that Obama is not a Muslim. However, I think its the Church going part thats going to hurt him in the long run...a regular attendee in the Rev Wright house of hate - Columbus1492
I also think that most people aren't idiotic enough to believe that, contrary to all evidence, those few seconds of video are in the least representative of Wright's 36 years on the pulpit. However, some people are idiotic enough to believe that.
You're making your assertions relative to Obama based on his 20 years in that church. His congregants have attested to the fact that those few seconds of video are not representative of his sermons. Hundreds or thousands of hours of video of his sermons have been reviewed looking for more controversial statements. Nothing more has been produced.
Yeah, I think it's safe to say only an idiot believes those few seconds are typical of his sermons.
Yeah, you're right BillJ...
I think only the real hard-right nut crowd is going to try to milk any more politcal points from this Rev Wright business. In fact, it could well backfire on them.
However, Grampy--with Rod Parsely and Hagee--is going to get sone serious scrutiny.
Another woman on c-span (again with a southern accent), said that she just couldn't bring herself to vote for Obama because he's a muslim.
Another caller said he's voting for Gramps because he won't hesitate to curb our freedoms in order to stop the terrorists. And yet another said he's supporting "His Maverickness" because he's more experienced and it didn't go so well with that last inexperienced president.
Your anecdotal examples are interesting, but other than your elitist slap at those with "southern accents", what is your point?
I concur. I dont see any point there besides the opinions of 3 people out of 300+ million people.
It is anecdotal Tommy, but not an elitist slap, just stating the facts. They had a whole 1/2 hour of calls of people calling in trying, struggling, screaming in agony as they tried to explain why they're going to vote for him. And this was the second time in 2 days that a woman with a southern drawl called in and said that Obama was a muslim. How many more people like that are there out there?
And 1492, your opinion means the least to me out of those 300+ million people.
One more time...
According to a Pew poll the people most likely to think Obama is a Muslim are conservatives, Republicans, evangelicals, rural, 65 years or older, white, women, and, from the south and midwest.
No one. You just posted a poll relevent to this MM item. Some here have KTS*.
* Keyborad Tourette Syndrome
Right, Gov. You know political correctness has gone amok when you're attacked for posting polling data.
And by the way Tommy, I'm a proud southerner!
Craig, You made your point, and we all know, even though very few here will admit it, what your point was.......and the fact that you are a southener, well, I am not.
And some liberals still have absolutely no clue why they get the elitist label tagged on them, then think it's about money.......ha!
Heck, I suppose that makes me one, too. I would say "C'est la vie", but that would only further incriminate myself.
I think any normal person with an education that exceeded the third grade would be considered an elitist by Tommy's generous definition.
Tommy, I had leave for awhile, and I know you’re probably gone for the weekend, but I wanted to say a few things.
Your scurrilous accusations aside, my (small) point was that Foghorn wasn’t necessarily delivering an “elitist slap” to southerners - that in fact his “anecdotal” evidence was supported by data. If I had known you were grinding your ax for Foghorn, I might have not said a thing.
Regarding the charges you made against me, let me first assure you that I am not an elitist. In fact I’m the opposite, strongly egalitarian. I’m sure, regrettably, that I’ve been guilty of condescension at times, but not in this case. I don’t “look down” on those who believe Obama is a Muslim any more than you do the moonbats in your state for believing… well, whatever crazy things you think they believe.
My problem is with the Obama/Muslim smear, and I thought it was your problem, too. When I pointed out that it penetrated deeper into particular demographic groups, I didn't mean that those demographic groups should be blamed or shamed for it. And I am certainly aware that, like most everyone, I am also susceptible to all kinds of deceit, try as I might…
I do agree with your assessment that I wouldn’t make a good campaigner. Presidential politics has become an endless marketing campaign, largely negative and devoid of substance, too often exploiting baser emotions. Hey, you can’t even talk frankly about important, sensitive issues without having your character maligned and your motives impugned, right?
Which is why I posted in the first place. I regard these accusations of elitism to be just that kind of divisive nonsense, on a par with the questioning of one’s patriotism, and I’m guessing a lot of people, even in the south, agree with me. And Tommy, in my opinion, you’re at your best here calling out that sort of bull.
Craig,
The poll shows that approximately 10% of the voters think Obama is a Muslim. What also is interesting is that about 10% of the Democrats think that and 10% of blacks also think Obama is a Muslim. (The poll is now over a month old.)
Among the 10% of voters who say he is Muslim, 35% would still choose Obama over McCain in a general election matchup, while 61% would vote for McCain. These same voters would also choose McCain over Clinton, but by a smaller 52% to 42% margin.
Interesting.
I'm from Alabama...
I enjoy this website and I'd just like to say this: You can find dumb asses in all 50 states.
I enjoy this website and I'd just like to say this: You can find dumb asses in all 50 states.
AMEN!
Some of the smartest engineers I have ever met have been from Alabama.
Not everyone there listens to Russ 'n' Dee - and believes them.
What? Seddenly you fancy yurself some kind of populist?
Pishaw.
Your ceaseless defenses of the uberweallthy betrays your subterfuge.
"...although polls show a minority of Americans mistakenly believe him to be a Muslim."
I would have liked to see the words "a surprising number of morons who must be real knuckledraggers" in place of "a minority of Americans". Otherwise, I'm okay... ;>)
Neither the print nor online versions of Rev. Moon's newsletter's "failed to note" and "clarification"... neither directly states that Sen. Obama is not a Muslim (which might seem the more natural response, to someone who has mistakenly said he is)... and it seems almost funny, that the newsletter's "clarification" would also note that "polls show a minority of Americans mistakenly believe him to be a Muslim"... I wonder why a minority of Americans would mistakenly believe that? It couldn't have anything to do with newsletters that "failed to note" and required "clarification", could it?
Email Maureen Dowd and demand that she issue a correction of her own:
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/opinion/editorialsandoped/oped/columnists/maureendowd/http://www.nytimes.com/gst/emailus.html
Does Maureen Dowd think Obama is a muslim?
Maureen Dowd is pathetic. Of all the columnists we get here in our local paper, she is, without a doubt, the biggest moron of all.
Her insipid, 6th-grade bilge, is a disgrace to America.
Wow! Tommy does it again.
Foghorn posts - Another woman on c-span (again with a southern accent), said that she just couldn't bring herself to vote for Obama because he's a muslim.
Timmy replies - Your anecdotal examples are interesting, but other than your elitist slap at those with "southern accents", what is your point?
Craig posts a poll which perhaps proves foghorn's information may be more than anecdotal - One more time...According to a Pew poll the people most likely to think Obama is a Muslim are conservatives, Republicans, evangelicals, rural, 65 years or older, white, women, and, from the south and midwest.
And now little T has a problem with that? Wow.
Maybe Tommy is "losing his bearings"? (:
Benjamin, even though Conservative Republicans are the "most likely" to believe he's a muslim, they are still unlikely to think that way. Only 16% do
Bravo.
Except your post has exactly zero to do with my point.
Truth,
I've seen a March poll that showed 14% of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim along with 10% Democrats. I've seen that 16% posted twice now. Do you have any link showing where you got that number?
Thanks!