AP reported McCain's offer to "educate" Obama on Iraq trip without noting McCain's false claims about Iraq
SUMMARY: The Associated Press quoted Sen. John McCain claiming in an interview that he would "seize that opportunity to educate Senator [Barack] Obama along the way" if the two were to visit Iraq together, and that McCain also said that Obama "really has no experience or knowledge or judgment about the issue of Iraq." But the AP did not mention a series of claims made by McCain that raised questions about his own "knowledge" and "judgment" about Iraq, including about the safety of Baghdad neighborhoods and that Iran is training Al Qaeda.
In a May 26 article about an interview with Sen. John McCain, the Associated Press reported that McCain said that he and Sen. Barack Obama should visit Iraq together and quoted McCain claiming that he would "seize that opportunity to educate Senator Obama along the way." Reporters Liz Sidoti and Barry Massey further quoted McCain saying that Obama "really has no experience or knowledge or judgment about the issue of Iraq and he has wanted to surrender for a long time." But they did not mention statements McCain has made or actions he has taken in the past two years that raised questions about McCain's own "knowledge" and "judgment about the issue of Iraq," including claims about the safety of Baghdad neighborhoods, and his admittedly false claim -- which he made repeatedly -- that Iranian operatives are "taking al-Qaeda into Iran, training them and sending them back."
As Media Matters for America has documented, after visiting Iraq on a fact-finding tour, McCain twice made the Iran-Al Qaeda claim to reporters during a March 18 press conference in Amman, Jordan -- one day after he made a similar claim during an interview with nationally syndicated radio host Hugh Hewitt. After Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT), who was accompanying McCain on the trip, whispered something in his ear, McCain corrected himself, saying: "I'm sorry, the Iranians are training extremists, not al-Qaeda." As The New York Times reported on March 19, Iran is believed to be financing and training Shiite extremists in Iraq, not Al Qaeda in Iraq.
On March 26, 2007, just before another fact-finding tour to Iraq, McCain told conservative radio host William Bennett that "[t]here are neighborhoods in Baghdad where you and I could walk through those neighborhoods today." When asked about those comments the next day on CNN's The Situation Room, McCain told host Wolf Blitzer: "General [David] Petraeus goes out there almost every day in an unarmed Humvee." When confronted about his comment on the April 8, 2007, edition of CBS' 60 Minutes, McCain, then in Iraq, admitted to correspondent Scott Pelley: "There is no unarmored Humvees. Obviously, that's the case. ... Of course I'm going to misspeak and I've done it on numerous occasions, and I probably will in the future."
On April 1, 2007, as part of a Republican congressional delegation, McCain visited an open-air market in downtown Baghdad. At a press conference later that day, a reporter asked McCain about his previous statement that he "could walk through" neighborhoods in Baghdad, and McCain replied: "Yeah, I just was -- came from one. ... Things are better, and there are encouraging signs. I have been here many ... times over the years; never have I been able to drive from the airport, never have I been able to go out into the city as I was today." However, McCain later admitted during his interview with Pelley on 60 Minutes that he was provided with security during his visit to the market: "I understand why they would provide me with that security, but I can tell you, if it had been two months ago, and I'd have asked to do it, they'd have said, 'under no circumstance whatsoever.' I view that as a sign of progress." As Pelley noted, McCain was accompanied by "10 armored humvees, soldiers with rifles, and two Apache attack helicopters circling overhead." Several other media outlets also noted McCain's heavy security during the visit.
The day after McCain's Baghdad market walk, Reuters reported that "[t]he crack of shots fired by unseen snipers echoed on Monday through Baghdad's wholesale Shorja market, a day after U.S. Senator John McCain held up his visit there as one sign of improving security in Baghdad." Also, in an April 3, 2007, New York Times article headlined "McCain Wrong on Iraq Security, Merchants Say," reporter Kirk Semple wrote that a "day after members of an American Congressional delegation led by Senator John McCain pointed to their brief visit to Baghdad's central market as evidence that the new security plan for the city was working, the merchants there were incredulous about the Americans' conclusions. ... Shorja, the city's oldest and largest market, set in a sprawling labyrinth of narrow streets and alleyways, has been bombed at least a half-dozen times since last summer. At least 61 people were killed and many more wounded in a three-pronged attack there on Feb. 12 involving two vehicle bombs and a roadside bomb."
From the May 26 Associated Press article:
Republican John McCain on Monday sharply criticized Democratic rival Barack Obama for not having been to Iraq since 2006, and said they should visit the war zone together.
"Look at what happened in the last two years since Senator Obama visited and declared the war lost," the GOP presidential nominee-in-waiting told The Associated Press in an interview, noting that the Illinois senator's last trip to Iraq came before the military buildup that is credited with curbing violence.
"He really has no experience or knowledge or judgment about the issue of Iraq and he has wanted to surrender for a long time," the Arizona senator added. "If there was any other issue before the American people, and you hadn't had anything to do with it in a couple of years, I think the American people would judge that very harshly."
McCain, a Navy veteran and Vietnam prisoner of war, frequently argues that he's the most qualified candidate to be a wartime commander in chief. In recent weeks, he has sought portray Obama, a first-term senator, as naive on foreign policy and not experienced enough to lead the military.
The Iraq war, which polls have shown that most of the country opposes, is shaping up to be a defining issue in the November presidential election.
McCain, who wrapped up the GOP nomination in March, supports continued military presence in Iraq though he recently said he envisions victory with most U.S. troops coming home by January 2013 if he's elected. Obama, who has all but clinched the Democratic nomination, says he will remove U.S. combat troops within 16 months of taking office, though sometimes he shortens it to 11 months.
"For him to talk about dates for withdrawal, which basically is surrender in Iraq after we're succeeding so well is, I think, really inexcusable," said McCain, who has been to Iraq eight times, most recently in March.
Obama spokesman Bill Burton declined to respond directly to McCain, saying only: "Senator Obama thinks Memorial Day is a day to honor our nation's veterans, not a day for political posturing."
Over the weekend, Sen. Lindsey Graham, one of McCain's top surrogates, laid the groundwork for McCain's criticism in a television interview in which he noted Obama's absence from Iraq and floated the idea that Obama and McCain should go together to be briefed by Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.
Asked whether he'd be willing to take such a trip, McCain told the AP: "Sure. It would be fine."
"I go back every few months because things are changing in Iraq," he said. McCain questioned whether Obama has ever been briefed by Petraeus. "I would also seize that opportunity to educate Senator Obama along the way."
Both McCain and Obama spent part of Memorial Day in New Mexico, a general election battleground that was decided by razor-thin margins in 2000, for Democrat Al Gore, and in 2004, for Republican President Bush.















America has been thoroughly "EDUCATED" by George W. Bush and all those who surround him, including McCain.
Our education has been horrendously costly, but at last we have learned.
What have we learned? Do not LISTEN to Republicans, do not BELIEVE Republicans, do not ELECT Republicans. They are consistently WRONG, and LIE about their action as a reflex action. They are BAD for America, and any power they have is used to harm American citizens in every possible way, in order to benefit only our most wealthy. Our future will be squandered, our middle class destroyed, our sons and daughters sacrificed ... all for the short-term bottom line of Exxon, Halliburton, Blackwater, and GE.
We have learned that Republicans with power will cause our families to deteriorate, our jobs to be lost, our incomes to be looted by predatory profit-taking, and our military used up to provide corporations with new profit centers.
All our needs ... food, energy, fuel, health care, etc. ... will become harder if not impossible to obtain, while the corporations providing these things enjoy obscene profits.
We have learned that a vote for a Republican is a vote to cut our own throats. (unless, of course, we happen to be in that top 1% of the wealthy.) The top 1% SHOULD vote Republican: They benefit greatly. All others, who do not have a death wish or a desire to see their families suffer, should vote Democratic. It's that simple.
But, Tex, Republicans are strong on national defense, and smaller government, and family values and...uhh, Obama is a Muslim, and his wife hates America. The choice is clear... <heavy sarcasm>
RINO:
You must be referring to Karl Rove making FOX NEWS pay HIM to spout his rightwing talking points. Or maybe Armstrong Williams, PAID to "report" on Administration initiatives. Or maybe Dick Morris.
You're forgiven. The Rightwing culture is one of PAID PROPAGANDA, so you must think it's the only way.
Confucious say, "The THIEF thinks EVERYONE steals." The shrinks just call it "projection".
McCain's gaffes aside, he has no business arrogantly stating that he "seizes the opportunity to educate Senator Obama".
I'm reminded of the "Peanuts" comic strip, when Lucy used to teach Linus "little-known facts of science". When Charlie Brown asked her how she knew them if they were "little-known", she said that she made them up.
I go back every few months because things are changing in Iraq...
I think there's a sale on prunes in the market this week, Grampy - time to get the 101st Airborne to escort you on one of you "visits".
The only things in Iraq that are changing is money from hard working american's hands to blackhawk's grubby little paws.
And the death tolls (both military and civilian) keep increasing....
I go back every few months...
And at taxpayer's expense. We must not lose sight of THAT little tidbit.
His "knowledge" doesn't impress me either. But I don't think Obama's goin' take him up on that offer - arrogant as it was. I think Obama will show McCain's "expertise" to be lacking once a debate is scheduled. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Obama is probably more versed about that whole area of the world than McCain will ever be. And I trust him far better to make the correct choices.
I don't think McCain made gaffes. He said the same thing at least 3 times. That showed me a genuine confusion in what's going on over there.
I don't think McCain made gaffes. He said the same thing at least 3 times. That showed me a genuine confusion in what's going on over there.
And over here. I hate to say it (because some will claim I'm mocking him because of his age), but I fear that McCain is in the early stages of Alzheimer's disease.....
Dumbya was against nation building, before he was for it.
I was against the Iraq occupation from the start, though I was for the Afghanistan invasion. Most everyone was for going into Afghanistan to:
Control the Taliban
Force Al-Qaeda to either surrender or retreat to a remote mountainous region (Pakistan)
Or,
rip off the head of Osama Bin Laden, dip it in pork, and fry it as a sacrifice to the Gods of America.
Iraq was a diversion from this mission. Scott McClellan will let the truth be known.
RH,
I respect your change in opinion, especially after the debates you have engaged in here. Now, my question to you is, what are you going to do about it? How important is the Iraq war issue to you?
Fair enough, what about your local Congressional races?
Hey Barry, Memorial Day is to remember those who DIED! Veterans's Day is to honor those who have SERVED!
The leftist, marxism immersed senator NEEDS to be educated about American Holidays and Iraq. He is still behind the times about what is going on in Iraq. Complaints about the surge, no benchmarks met and the lost cause in fighting terrorism there is about 18 months behind the times kiddos. From his own website:
The Problem
The Surge: The goal of the surge was to create space for Iraq's political leaders to reach an agreement to end Iraq's civil war. At great cost, our troops have helped reduce violence in some areas of Iraq, but even those reductions do not get us below the unsustainable levels of violence of mid-2006. Moreover, Iraq's political leaders have made no progress in resolving the political differences at the heart of their civil war.
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/
Then this report which doesn't include the recent victories by Iraqi military with US support.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/933bmtiu.asp?pg=2
So maybe Barry does need to taken back to school or with his idelogical tendencies, a state run re-education center.
PC,
The Weekly Standard is your source? Really? What political gains have been made possible in the last year plus by the surge? Please point to the specific items of legislation.
boiledlambchopguy,
Well here is one for instance,
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=4236
Hmmm, seems most people think that after all that training all the Iraqi "army" can do well is walk and chew bubblegum. Love this part from this April 30th, 2008 article:
US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice seems to have no doubts about the answer. While in Baghdad recently to show support for Mr. Maliki's willingness to take on the militias she said that Iraqis "are, quite rightly, proud of their security forces and the way they've performed."
British officers are less optimistic
That contrasted with an assessment by British officers of the initial offensive against Mahdi militiamen in the southern city of Basra at the end of March. Their take: The Iraqi Army's performance was an "unmitigated disaster at every level." Earlier this month The Daily Telegraph quoted senior British commanders leveling those charges, and adding that the poor Iraqi performance would delay Britain's planned pullout from the southern region for "many months."
US commanders involved in the fighting in the Baghdad neighborhood of Sadr City this month have no such dire descriptions of the Iraqi units they oversee. But they do point to shortcomings the recent fighting revealed.
Among the weaknesses: a shortage of mid-level officers ready to lead troops, problems with the Iraqis properly supplying their own troops, and a lack of training and experience that shows up in soldiers shooting indiscriminately and in wild volleys when under attack.
your weekly standard contains a large amount of shinola. one of the "accomplishments" listed is iraqi units being able to operate on their own, and notes a recent foray into sadr city. except it doesn't note that 1300 of those troops were fired by the iraqi government for refusing to fight the al-sadr army.
http://www.juancole.com/2008/04/iraqi-government-has-discharged-1300.html
youlast,
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/21/world/middleeast/21sadr.html?ref=worldspecial
Now that those 1300 have been 'culled' from the ranks, the government forces seem to be doing just fine, thank you.
So maybe Barry does need to taken back to school or with his idelogical tendencies, a state run re-education center.
For your re-education, PC, I'd suggest a padded cell and a straightjacket.
NO sex education period
Having a country full of ignorant people is your goal, huh? Don't say it should be left to the parents. My parents sat me down and asked me if I had an questions about sex. Being about 12 and completely embarrassed, I of course said no.
RH,
I'm sure your parents were the only guidance you ever had. You obviously were lucky. I'll tell you what, if you taught in the areas I did in New Orleans, you were praying for the success of the village in many, many cases.
My opinion is that parents should raise their children and not the government. Of course you and Hillary Clinton disagree. You think it "takes a village."
Rino, "it takes a village" has NOTHING to do with the government raising your children. It involved neighbors watching out for your children and you watching out for your neighbors child.
When I was young, my parents traveled long distances and worked long hours picking cotton. They couldn't always keep an eye on us so my neighbors did. You couldn't get into trouble because your neighbor saw everything and told your parents everything. If you were rude to a clerk at the store, it would get back to your parents. If you stole something, it would get back to your parents. If you cut school and someone saw you they told your parents. If you were hanging with kids your parents didn't like, it would get back to your parents.
"It takes a village" involved parents helping parents, not government.
I usually agree that the state should leave it up to the parents. I have talked pretty frankly about sex for many years with my kids. There is no ambiguity abou what I expect from them. That said, the state does have a legitimate interest in reproductive education - be it through abstinence programs or what have you.
I think your argument would better apply to things that the federal or state government cannot provide a legitimate interest in or its powers are limited by the Constitution.
Having a country full of ignorant people is your goal, huh?
Why else would he be hunting RINOs??? He wants the country to be as ignorant as he is.
Sorry no RH. What we have right now in too many places is no sex education. I and others were arguing is for real sex education. And showing some of the cost monetary and social to abstinence sex education.
One Billion federal tax dollars support teenage mothers just in texas/year. How much more tax money do you want do go help clean up the mess of abstinence sex ed. I think it would be cheaper in so many ways to do sex ed the right way.
Its possible no sex ed could be worse, I don't see much to choose between either. Make a case. How would no education here have a different result from abstinence sex ed. Besides returning it to embarassed parent(s),pool halls and back alleys?
Iraq casularities:
Year
998461210564812.2593332209854122.39471513187463182.35358025276322162.93271827598044241.91140330173434.02Let try this again
Iraq War casualties
Period US Deaths
6 998
5 933
4 715
3 580
2 718
1 140
Each and every year the number of US soldiers killed has gone up. WHERE is the freaking "success"? On WHAT planet could you find success looking at those numbers, and that's not including the injured or permanently injured.
And McCain wants to teach Obama? What? A lesson in sheer stupidity?
A lesson in sheer stupidity?
Or, a lesson in how to use fear, jingoism, and false patriotism to goad the masses into supporting a war based on lies. Hopefully Republicans have learned that lesson (though I'm not holding my breath).
pearlsbeforeswine,
I am not sure of where you got your numbers
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm
But the deaths of these valiant folks continues to alter the consciousness of the middle eastern muslim, now seeing that extremism has failed. They seem to be running from Iraq to their homelands in the face of defeat.
It's probably safer in Basra or Sadr City than in the wonderful confines of democratic bastions such as Chicago, New Orleans, Philadelphia.
You were 180-degrees wrong about Iraq in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007. Even if you're right now, you've lost the right to talk.
A non-moron will find the truth about Iraq in 2008. You're forced to watch from the sidelines, from sheer embarrassment if nothing else.
And this isn't a shot at you. The same statements apply to every one of your leaders.
http://icasualties.org/oif/
Installing a government who's majority Shite has a close and very friendly relationship with a majority Shite Iran is a success? Removing an Iran's enemy Saddam is a success? May you join in the success by shipping off to Iraq immediately. NOTHING good will come from invading and occupying a Muslim country based on the lie they had something to do with 9/11. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Because of this invasion when American speaks about another so called "axis of evil" country, other countries will not believe what we say nor the intelligence we provide. No one will forget Powell's UN performance. My momma said, you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still a pig. No matter how you dress this war up, it's a colossal foreign policy disaster. THAT is the truth and nothing but the truth.I haven't been to Chicago or NO for a few years but I can vouch for walking safely around Philadelphia and New York.
I've spent most of my life in and around those two cities and have never felt threatened.
If you yourself have spent time in Chicago, New Orleans or Philadelphia AND Sadr City or Basra, then I will admit to being wrong on this one.
But I'd venture a guess that you sit comfortably in your home, pecking away at your keyboard while listening to some idiot parroting right wing dogma into your ears which you accept as gospel.
If those Iraqi cities were as safe as you claim, Uncle Sam wouldn't be the only one providing tours.
But the deaths of these valiant folks continues to alter the consciousness of the middle eastern muslim, now seeing that extremism has failed.
do you really believe that garbage? i wish it were true, but every cia analyst around says al quaeda has gotten stronger in pakistan, our military is stretched thin, and this war has in part broken our economy's bank. add the fact that iran is stronger than ever and that's hardly a failure or defeat. some may argue that they've accomplished exactly what they intended to because dubya's dumbass played right into their hands. because we went to iraq, they've been able to kill and injure 10 times as many americans as they did on 9/11. these brave americans just happen to be in uniform.
now, let's say i'm wrong (which i wouldn't mind, for the record) and extremism has failed and they are retreating in defeat. then, that means obama is right in saying that we can go ahead and pull our combat troops out sooner rather than later instead of staying there and fighting because their defeat means that we have won. so, which won is it? have we not defeated the extremists so we must stay, or are the extremists leaving in failure and defeat and we can leave? you can't have it both ways.
I'm a 56 year old Republican. I was attached to the NSA and lived in Turkey in the 80's. McCain is putting American and Iraqi lives in jeopardy each and every time he makes his little show in Iraq.
Each soldier's life on his guard detail is in jeopardy when he makes his apprearance for the camera. It shows he doesn't give a hoot about the lives of our men and women who risk their lives everytime he decides to take a walk.
The same with Bush's landing on the aircraft carrier. As a navy veteran, I have seen first hand that people can be killed when politicians pull these useless camera stunts.
You know, I'm sure that, given the amount of security McCain had surrounding him when he went on that "visit" to Iraq, nobody would question giving him an incredible bargain (his butt-buddy bought 5 rugs for 5 dollars!) ...
Along those same lines, if I had the same amount of firepower surrounding me (along with the attack helicopters flying overhead), I'm sure that I could walk up to any mansion and have the owner not only hand me the keys to the doors, but the contents of the safe, too ...
I doubt very seriously McCain can teach Obama anything about foreign policy. I hope Obama does not accompany him anywhere because as we know from experience, these guys are probably trying to set him up for a scandal. I think the lessons are being learned by Republicans in massive doses from their unwillingness to jump into even local elections.
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