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GOP strategist Holt, Politico's Vogel revive false assertion about Gore and Internet

May 28, 2008 5:15 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On Fox News' America's Election HQ, GOP strategist Terry Holt said that Al Gore "claimed to have invented the Internet," and on Fox News' On the Record, Politico reporter Ken Vogel stated: "And they're going to try to show him [Sen. Barack Obama] as a chronicle -- a chronic exaggerator, like they did with Al Gore in 2000, when they seized on his every claim, starting memorably with his claim that he invented the Internet, as some say that he said." In fact, Gore did not claim that he "invented the Internet." Rather, he said: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

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On the May 27 edition of Fox News' America's Election HQ, while discussing Sen. Barack Obama's May 26 speech in which he referred to a relative's World War II service, GOP strategist Terry Holt stated, "But, you know, Al Gore -- I could -- think I could make an argument that Al Gore lost the election in 2000 because he had a chronic problem with exaggeration. He claimed to have invented the Internet, and we really got him with that one." Co-host Bill Hemmer did not challenge Holt's false assertion. Also, on that day's edition of Fox News' On the Record with Greta Van Susteren, Politico reporter Ken Vogel stated: "And they're going to try to show him [Obama] as a chronicle -- a chronic exaggerator, like they did with Al Gore in 2000, when they seized on his every claim, starting memorably with his claim that he invented the Internet, as some say that he said, to sort of question him at every step." In fact, as Media Matters has repeatedly documented, Gore did not claim that he "invented the Internet." During the March 9, 1999, interview on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer that gave rise to the myth, Gore said: "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet."

From the May 27 edition of Fox News' America's Election HQ:

HEMMER: All right, Megyn Kelly [co-host]. Inside the "Strategy Room" tonight: Barack Obama citing family history, but is that history true? He claims his uncle helped liberate the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland at the end of World War II. The problem was, it happened in January of 1945, the war wasn't over just yet, and that's just, well, where it begins. Listen here from New Mexico yesterday.

OBAMA [video clip]: I had a uncle who was one of the -- who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps. And the story in our family was is that when he came home, he just went up into the attic and he didn't leave the house for six months.

HEMMER: Well, the point he was trying to make in all that was how our veterans need better care when they come home from war. But now, the RNC is challenging the claim, and for good reason. And the Obama campaign issuing a clarification late tonight. Regina Calcaterra on the left there, Terry Holt on the right. Good evening to both of you.

REGINA CALCATERRA (Democratic strategist): Good evening.

TERRY HOLT (Republican strategist): Hey, Bill.

HEMMER: Terry, why do politicians fall into this trap consistently?

HOLT: It may be in the genetic makeup, Bill. I --

HEMMER: What do you mean?

HOLT: -- I don't know. But, you know, Al Gore -- I could -- think I could make an argument that Al Gore lost the election in 2000 because he had a chronic problem with exaggeration. He claimed to have invented the Internet, and we really got him with that one. But then, late in the campaign, he said that his grandmother was taking the same prescription drug medicine as his dog, and it turned out not to be true.

Politicians get in trouble with the American people when they make stuff up, and over time, it says something about that politician's character. If this continues to happen, it might disqualify Barack Obama with the American people. If they can't trust him, they can't vote for him.

HEMMER: I want to get Regina --

CALCATERRA: OK, great.

HEMMER: -- to respond to that. But hang on one second. Let me just flesh out the story a little bit, OK? Apparently, it was his great-uncle who went into a work camp, a labor camp in Germany. Here's what the RNC said -- it wasn't -- had nothing to do with Auschwitz: "Barack Obama's dubious claim is inconsistent with world history and demands an explanation. It was Soviet troops that liberated Auschwitz, so unless his uncle was serving in the Red Army, there is no way Obama's statement yesterday can be true" -- yesterday in New Mexico. "Obama's frequent exaggerations and outright distortions raise questions about his judgment and his readiness to lead as commander in chief."

Before I get to the Obama response to that, Regina, go to Terry's comment.

CALCATERRA: OK. Terry, your first comment as far as Al Gore losing the presidential election in 2000 wasn't because of his misstatement about the Internet. It was because of what happened in Florida and that the vote count stopped, and the Supreme Court actually voted in favor of stopping the vote count.

HOLT: You're never going to get over that, are you?

CALCATERRA: Oh, no, actually not, it's -- that's a part of history that we both can agree with.

HOLT: Well, the American people cast their ballots based on what the candidates were like.

[crosstalk]

CALCATERRA: OK, but I will tell you what's with here is that he -- it was a misstatement, and that's all it was. Instead of explaining specifically about his great-uncle and that he was part of an American troop that -- American troops that released folks from a concentration work camp, he said Auschwitz. So he shouldn't have said Auschwitz.

From the May 27 edition of Fox News' On the Record with Greta Van Susteren:

DAVID HAWKINGS (Congressional Quarterly): Right. Yes, he -- I mean, he definitely misspoke. I would say he got out in front of it pretty quickly. The spokesperson came out pretty darn quickly, corrected it. There's obviously a big difference between Auschwitz and Buchenwald. They were -- they were in two different countries. They were liberated by two different groups. It seemed from the clip as though he was struggling with it, even in the moment. I'd say they got out of it pretty quick and clean.

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN (host): Rick?

RICK KLEIN (ABCNews.com): Well, I think -- well, you know, my grandfather tells war stories, and I forget the details of them sometimes. I think bottom line is, he has to get the facts right when you go out there in a public forum. I think that is his responsibility as a presidential candidate. But I also think that, you know, that telling an old story like this, uncle versus great-uncle, I think, is part of conversation. And getting the details of it wrong -- I don't think this is something that's going to stick. I can't imagine it getting a lot of traction.

VOGEL: You know, Greta, you hit the nail right on the head when you brought up the Reverend Wright thing. This is going to be used not as an isolated incident by Republicans to question his knowledge of military affairs, but rather as part of a fact pattern that questions his veracity. They're going to try to show him as an exaggerator, someone who can't be trusted. And when he said that he was unaware of it and initially tried to downplay his association with Reverend Wright, they're going to put this in that fact pattern. They're going to say that he originally said he would take public financing and then backed out on that. And they're going to try to show him as a chronicle -- a chronic exaggerator, like they did with Al Gore in 2000, when they seized on his every claim, starting memorably with his claim that he invented the Internet, as some say that he said, to sort of question him at every step.

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    • Author by DorisRussell (May 28, 2008 5:20 pm ET)
         
      Well when they have nothing else to lie about there is always the GOP bringing up Al Gore and the Internet. No suprise here.
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      • Author by captfoster2 (May 28, 2008 10:27 pm ET)
           

        a chronic exaggerator, like ?they? did with Al Gore in 2000

        They? Oh..... I know which ?they? that they are talking about.....

        Themselves! and all the other corporate media whores that knew better but still made a story by pulling it from their collective a$$(es)....

        It was then as it is now a foregone conclusion that Fox Noise is filled with a bunch of lying stinking sacks of liquid crap!

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    • Author by tommy (May 28, 2008 5:24 pm ET)
         

      Well, just imagine the electricity that the internet uses up across the world every second, if you're plugged in of course and not on battery charge, and how awful that footprint impacts global warming.

      I bet Al Gore 2008 is pretty irritated at Al Gore 1999. 

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      • Author by Dem02020 (May 28, 2008 6:01 pm ET)
           

         

        If I'm understanding this correctly, when Sen. Obama spoke in New Mexico on the occasion of Memorial Day, and in making a reference to a relative of his who served in WWII, and who had some difficulty adjusting to his life back home after the War... and Sen. Obama said:

        "I had a uncle who was one of the -- who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps"

        ...but he mispoke (or misremembered), and instead of the Auschwitz concentration camp that his uncle was a part of the liberation of, it was Buchenwald (which Wikipedia tells me was on German soil, and in which were incarcerated an estimated 250,000 people, as many as 56,000 of which died there)...

         

        Mr. Obama said Auschwitz, instead of Buchenwald.

         

        And this is the extraordinary unbelievable Fox News Channel commentary that results:

        "...tonight: Barack Obama citing family history, but is that history true?"

        "the RNC is challenging the claim, and for good reason" 

         

        HEMMER: Terry, why do politicians fall into this trap consistently?

        HOLT: It may be in the genetic makeup, Bill.

         

        "Politicians get in trouble with the American people when they make stuff up, and over time, it says something about that politician's character. If this continues to happen, it might disqualify Barack Obama with the American people. If they can't trust him, they can't vote for him"

        "Obama's frequent exaggerations and outright distortions raise questions about his judgment and his readiness to lead as commander in chief"

        "This is going to be used not as an isolated incident by Republicans to question his knowledge of military affairs, but rather as part of a fact pattern that questions his veracity. They're going to try to show him as an exaggerator, someone who can't be trusted"

         

        All of this, because he said Auschwitz, when in fact the concentration camp was Buchenwald?

        Am I understanding this correctly? I can't be... I just can't believe my freaking eyes on this one (I read the transcript: there's no way I'm watching the video).

         

        I'm having great difficulty adjusting to the PUBLIC AIRWAVES, since the Fairness Doctrine was unilaterally repealed by Reagan's FCC... I'm going up to the attic right now... I'll see you again in some number of months I guess... I'll come back down from the attic, and again tune in our PUBLIC AIRWAVES, when the Fairness Doctrine is brought back to FCC Regulations...

        I'm going up into the attic for a while... I just can't believe some of the stuff that Fox News Channel does.

         

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        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (May 28, 2008 7:45 pm ET)
             

          Take some snacks with you, Demo.

          I'll give you the bad news first;There are some Americans out there who actually swallow this stuff, and think this misstatement by Obama is an important indicator of how much they can trust him.Funny enough,they're  the same people who believed that Bush has been hammered by the press.

          The good news?? They're people who have voted Repooplickan their whole lives, and will until they die, or at least never would have voted for Obama under any circumstances.

          The other good news is, and I;m guessing, that this group, through old age and stepping into open manholes, is getting less significant every day..

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      • Author by mefirst (May 28, 2008 8:52 pm ET)
           
        and just imagine, tommy, all the people that can work at home without going into the office.  my sister in law does it every other day, and saves all that gas driving in.
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    • Author by worrierking (May 28, 2008 5:27 pm ET)
         
      WHO GIVES A SH_T WHETHER GORE INVENTED THE INTERNET!

      It's been almost 8 years since he ran for office. Are the Republicans that desperate that they've still got to run against Gore?

      Next they'll be reminding us of how LBJ held up his dog by the ears for the press back in the '60's.
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      • Author by shaggles (May 28, 2008 5:29 pm ET)
           
        Don't give them any ideas. ;) 
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        • Author by mary59 (May 28, 2008 5:47 pm ET)
             
          I heard that Al Gore drove a dyke into Chappaquidick while using too much electricity. He also showed us his scar from an appendectomy. And isn't he a Muslim or something?
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      • Author by oscar the grouch (May 28, 2008 7:40 pm ET)
           
        LBJ and his dog.  A beagle as I recall, hope it wasn't one of Snoopy's great uncles :-)
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        • Author by worrierking (May 28, 2008 8:15 pm ET)
             
          You're correct Oscar. It was a beagle named "Him".

          I thought it was a beagle but didn't have time to do the research.

          I was celebrating my Pit Bull's 5th birthday today and got caught up in the festivities.
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        • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (May 29, 2008 10:43 am ET)
             
          The dog LBJ picked up by the ears was a great dane IIRC, not the Beagle.
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    • Author by SFnomad (May 28, 2008 5:56 pm ET)
         
      This just goes to show you how desparate Regressives are.
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      • Author by steeve (May 28, 2008 10:29 pm ET)
           
        *sigh* if only.  Can we regress to the 90s, please?  Or the 50s (economically, not socially)?
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    • Author by pithaughn (May 28, 2008 6:23 pm ET)
         
      Someone must be paying these people by the talking point. I imagine it is a sliding scale. This Vogel character for instance, maybe he get's $500 for the Al Gore internet ancient history, and $1,000 for working Rev. Wright into the show. Who is paying these people?
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    • Author by foghornleghorn (May 28, 2008 6:26 pm ET)
         
      GOP strategist=liar.
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    • Author by bruce1ace (May 28, 2008 7:41 pm ET)
         
      I ask this with all due respect, but what exactly did Al Gore do to "take the initiative in creating the internet"?  Let's give him credit for his actual words and evaluate them.  From what I've researched, even that claim is debatable.
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      • Author by archfiend (May 28, 2008 8:03 pm ET)
           
        It's not so hard to dig up, Bruce. Here's what Robert Kahn and Vinton Cerf, two of the true inventors of the internet, said:

        "Al Gore was the first political leader to recognize the importance of the

        Internet and to promote and support its development.

        No one person or even small group of persons exclusively "invented" the

        Internet. It is the result of many years of ongoing collaboration among

        people in government and the university community. But as the two people

        who designed the basic architecture and the core protocols that make the

        Internet work, we would like to acknowledge VP Gore's contributions as a

        Congressman, Senator and as Vice President. No other elected official, to

        our knowledge, has made a greater contribution over a longer period of time."

        http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200009/msg00052.html
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        • Author by archfiend (May 28, 2008 8:04 pm ET)
             
          Sorry about the formatting. I don't comment here often enough to have really goten the hang of MMFA's commenting quirks.
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        • Author by bruce1ace (May 28, 2008 9:11 pm ET)
             
          If Gore would have said "I have supported and promoted the development of the internet", that would have been better.  The whole "created" thing is a bit much for my tastes.
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          • Author by steeve (May 28, 2008 10:27 pm ET)
               

            Congratulations for noticing that imperfect words sometimes make their way into extemporaneous speech.

            There are more than enough clear, repeated, prepared statements to attack any politician over.  This inane word parsing is as lame as pointing out typos on message boards.

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            • Author by bruce1ace (May 28, 2008 10:39 pm ET)
                 
              Considering Gore once said "there is no controlling legal authority", I'll give him due credit for being an expert wordsmith.  You must have him confused with the current CinC.  Give the guy some credit.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (May 29, 2008 12:58 am ET)
                 

              There are more than enough clear, repeated, prepared statements to attack any politician over.

              Steeve, did you notice that you ended that sentence with a preposition?

              KIdding!!!

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          • Author by Brabantio (May 29, 2008 12:36 am ET)
               

            "If Gore would have said "I have supported and promoted the development of the internet", that would have been better."

            If the purpose is to understate the case, then it's better.  He took the initiative, he didn't just jump on the bandwagon.  Your suggestion leaves a lot of room to interpret how early in the process Gore got involved.  How about "I was the first member of Congress to support and promote the development of the internet?"  Wouldn't you agree that's better than your version?

            You don't say how it's "debatable", anyway, just that you don't like the wording.  Why?  What is inaccurate or misleading about it, considering that the internet as we know it was created from another system?  I've never understood why it's a bad thing to actually accomplish something and cite it as an accomplishment.

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            • Author by bruce1ace (May 29, 2008 7:32 am ET)
                 

              Hello Brabantio,

               I agree that your version is better than my version or Gore's version (IMO).  I did do some research before posting, and read the excerpt on Snopes about the Gore-internet myth. 

              http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

              According to this writeup, there is room to debate Gore's claim as being less than he made it sound in that interview.  However, as far as the "I invented the internet" right-wing talking point, that is clearly false.

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              • Author by Brabantio (May 29, 2008 8:38 am ET)
                   

                After reading that I'm not sure what the "justified" debate is about.  Because it's not a homogeneous entity that sprung up all at once?  Of course it isn't, but his legislation opened the door for different people and markets to become a part of it and expand its scope.  And of course it's made from old components, that doesn't detract from the creation of a new application from them.

                It seems to me like since there's a lot of technological issues here that Snopes is abstaining from making a definitive judgment on the philosophical concept of "creation".  But by the same token, since Gore is a layman talking to other laymen about this subject, the phrasing is perfectly legitimate in that context.  It's like if we're talking about a scientific matter, an actual scientist could question your phrasing, but as long as you're expressing the concepts accurately for my understanding then what you're saying isn't really questionable.  Considering the nature and effectiveness of the legislation in question, I just don't see how what he said is misleading.

                He probably would have been better off using the phrase we agreed on, but it has to be really difficult to come up with words that can't possibly be twisted by a handful of incredibly dishonest opponents.

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              • Author by deeznuts (May 29, 2008 10:48 am ET)
                   

                However, as far as the "I invented the internet" right-wing talking point, that is clearly false.

                Kinda makes you wonder about other right-wing talking points, don't it?

                I think you're learning. 

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    • Author by BottleBlonde (May 28, 2008 11:40 pm ET)
         

      And here's another one of the right's favorite tricks

      Politico reporter Ken Vogel stated: "And they're going to try to show him [Sen. Barack Obama] as a chronicle -- a chronic exaggerator, like they did with Al Gore in 2000, when they seized on his every claim, starting memorably with his claim that he invented the Internet, as some say that he said."

      Now, don't be mistaken. He's not saying it. Some anonymous people are saying it, but don't count him among them.

      On another thread it was the invaluable question mark at the end of the sentence to give them semi-plausible deniability of ownership of that remark. Somehow they can be removed from responsibility of saying something offensive and partisan if they say that "some say it" or if they use a question mark at the end so that they say "Is Obama unfit to be President?"

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    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (May 29, 2008 10:10 am ET)
         
      One needs only to go to "Wikipedia" to find out about Gore and the internet. This was

      cleared up long ago. But, of course, the slime-balls in the media have to fill up the time.

      And I have never seen a beagle with ears. Aren't they those glossy round things with the holes?
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (May 29, 2008 11:06 am ET)
         

      Had to track down his name, Victor Borge. He visited the LBJ White House and said,"He (LBJ) picked me up by my ears and told me I was a Great Dane."

       

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      • Author by mary59 (May 29, 2008 1:25 pm ET)
           
        Victor was a hoot. Very gentle humorous man in a different time. Thanks for remembering that.
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