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Given Cheney's reported correction, will George Will follow?

June 13, 2008 6:06 pm ET

SUMMARY: The AP reported that Vice President Dick Cheney's office has acknowledged that "he was mistaken when he asserted that China, at Cuba's behest, is drilling for oil in waters 60 miles from the Florida coast" -- an assertion Cheney took from columnist George Will. Does Will plan to offer evidence in support of his claim, or will he issue a correction?

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In a June 5 Washington Post column headlined "The Gas Prices We Deserve," George Will noted that U.S. companies have not been permitted to drill in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and asserted, "Drilling is underway 60 miles off Florida. The drilling is being done by China, in cooperation with Cuba, which is drilling closer to South Florida than U.S. companies are." Vice President Dick Cheney then made a similar claim about China drilling off the coast of Florida in a June 11 speech to the United States Chamber of Commerce. But a June 12 Associated Press article reported that "Vice President Dick Cheney's office acknowledged on Thursday that he was mistaken when he asserted that China, at Cuba's behest, is drilling for oil in waters 60 miles from the Florida coast."

The AP further noted that Cheney "cited his source as columnist George Will" and continued:

Cheney's office said in a statement to The Associated Press that the vice president had erred.

"It is our understanding that, although Cuba has leased out exploration blocks 60 miles off the coast of southern Florida, which is closer than American firms are allowed to operate in that area, no Chinese firm is drilling there," according to the statement.

Cuba clearly is interested in developing its deep-water oil resources, estimated at more than 5 billion barrel, including areas within 60 miles of Key West, Fla., energy experts said.

Jorge Pinon, a senior energy fellow at the University of Miami specializing in Latin America, said Cuba has awarded offshore oil leases, or concessionary blocs, in its offshore waters to six oil companies -- none of them Chinese -- and soon may announce an agreement with Brazil's state oil company, Petrobras.

"But no one is currently drilling in any of those concessions," said Pinon in a telephone interview. Pinon, who supports drilling in the eastern Gulf and believes it can be done without hurting the environment, said China is being raised as an unnecessary "boogeyman" by drilling proponents.

"There is no actual drilling yet. ... There is exploration," said Johanna Mendelson-Forman, a senior fellow on energy and Latin America at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

In light of Cheney's correction, does Will intend to offer evidence in support of his claim, or will he issue a correction?

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    • Author by tommy (June 13, 2008 6:22 pm ET)
         

      With their granny spectacles perched low on the nose of future media missteps, comes another edition of MMFA's "to do list"

      :) 

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      • Author by funnymanpants (June 13, 2008 9:37 pm ET)
           

        Tommy wrote:

        >>With their granny spectacles perched low on the nose of future media missteps, comes another edition of MMFA's "to do list"

        I will never criticize any poster's grammar, because doing so is snobbish, pointless, contradictory to an understanding of the good use of language, etc. However, allow me to make an exception here.

        You have written a sentence with a dangling modifier. The word after the comma following "missteps" should modify the phrase that comes before it--or put more simply, that word should be the doer of the clause. I think the sentence should read "With their granny spectacles perched low on the nose of future media missteps, MMFA adds another item to its "to do list". I can't be sure, though.

        The only reason I point this error out is that in this case it really impedes my understanding of what you are trying to say. I honestly don't understand your intention, if you are criticizing MMFA, or pointing out that the media has made another big mistake, or what.  

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        • Author by BottleBlonde (June 13, 2008 11:42 pm ET)
             

          I believe he's criticizing Media Matters. I have no doubt that he is.

          Media Matters will occasionally echo one posting they've already made. That's why they cover apologies of people they cover. That's why they cover KO's WPITW nominations. That's why they cover things like this. They are reinforcing something they've already posted about with this posting.

          Tommy doesn't want them to reinforce anything. He doesn't want them to make most of the points they do, and certainly wouldn't want those points to be strengthened by further examples. That's why he and his ilk often post the WITH posts and complain that Media Matters is harping on minor issues. They know that it's valuable for Media Matters to reinforce what they say, so they do their darnest to disrupt that effort in every way possible.

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          • Author by eddy3957 reregistered (June 14, 2008 3:05 pm ET)
               
            It's funny to me how some don't seem to see or don't wish to see perhaps how sly the civil GOP posters and the GOP generally really are.  (Yeah, they may put on the a pro-Obama costume or an anti-Limbaugh costume etc. in here but it's all psychological subterfuge IMO)  I think they just can't come to grips with the fact that the other side is VERY astute when it comes to playing politics.  (In other words, if they're very smart at beating me, then what does that make me?)
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      • Author by rtwmd1230 (June 14, 2008 12:51 pm ET)
           
        Please explain how it is possible to perch spectacles on the noses of future media missteps. Thank you.
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        • Author by doggone-ga (June 14, 2008 2:13 pm ET)
             
          Maybe he meant "insteps" (which would look really funny!) but misunderestimated his own ability to spell!
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    • Author by Dem02020 (June 13, 2008 6:27 pm ET)
         

       

      Exxon-Mobil and the CIA are presently recruiting Cuban expatriates from the Miami area, to invade these off-shore oil rigs, in a privately financed operation called "Bay Of Oil Pigs"...

      Because if we allow all of that salty waxy Carribbean Crude to fall into the hands of the Chinese, then it's just a matter of time, before Wal-Mart will be retailing it back to us, at the low discounted price of $3.00 per gallon...

      It's a kind of a "domino theory" thing...

       

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      • Author by snoopy (June 13, 2008 7:17 pm ET)
           
        That would be funny if it wasn't sad. This high oil price is gonna drive manufacturing's desire to push more ODM's. The US business isn't interested in pushing US manufacturing because of the high cost of shipping. It will be largely regional. Will we have manufacturing in the US? Sure, they have 300 million potential consumers. But the rest of the world has 5 billion potential consumers. So guess what, folks? Manufacturing will move by and large overseas to countries with high education pools but low job pools. We're gonna see ODM countries. Wanna guess who will be a possible ODM country in 50 years? Saudi Arabia, once their oil runs out - assuming they invested in their infrastructure properly...
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        • Author by my4cents (June 13, 2008 11:10 pm ET)
             

          Not at all related to Snoopy's comment but I wanted to get mine off my chest.

          These days it has become a common practice to say the high oil price is because of 'China and India have increased demand'. This, I think, has permeated to the level of 'Saddam did 911' in American thinking and is only a red herring.

          Excuse me?  The price of oil almost doubled in the past year.  Can any one of the analysts and the newsreaders that endlessly repeat the increased demand (from China India no less) mantra cite doubling (or even a 20% increase) in actual comsumption from China, India or any other country in the past year? I did not think so.

          The real cause is speculation. The same speculation that got us the housing market bust is getting us $4-5 / gallon gas price.


           

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          • Author by chrisgodawgs (June 14, 2008 1:24 am ET)
               

            Thank you 4Cents!

            I have been screaming this at my radio for a month now.  Demand used to be 85 million barrels per day a few years ago and now it is only 87 million.  It has DECREASED in the US and Europe and increased a bit in Asia.  This small % increase is NOT enough to raise oil by $70/barrel in ONE YEAR.  There is nothing happening in the market that justifies $3 jumps on so many of those days.  The oil futures speculation was removed from scrutiny by a bill written by former Texas Repub Phil Gramm a few years ago.  They have figured out how to manipulate the market somehow.  Gramm is now an econ consultant for McCain, btw.   

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            • Author by juliajayne (June 14, 2008 9:46 am ET)
                 

              Senator Carl Levin has been working on that speculation problem: http://www.carllevin.com/news/2008/06/12/senate-floor-statement-on-oil-and-gasoline-prices/

              Here is just part of what he says:

              Excessive market speculation is a factor that we can and should do a better job of controlling, and the Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, which I chair, has been on the case of speculators for years. Congress recently took an important step by passing - over a veto from President Bush - my legislation to close the Enron Loophole.

              But that is not enough.

              Over the last two years, energy traders have moved a significant amount of U.S. crude oil and gasoline trading to the United Kingdom, beyond the direct reach of U.S. regulators - and British regulators don't place limits on speculation like we do.

              I call it the "London Loophole," and it needs to be closed.

              Earlier this week, I pushed for action to close the London Loophole, which is included in the Consumer-First Energy Act.

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    • Author by oscar the grouch (June 13, 2008 8:34 pm ET)
         
      China has been thrown in the discussion as the "bogeyman", but apparently the Cubans are interested in drilling closer to our shores than we are allowed to.  Why?
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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 14, 2008 2:27 am ET)
           
        Maybe we're not using Cuba as our role model.
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        • Author by oscar the grouch (June 14, 2008 8:35 pm ET)
             
          Well, let them (or Brazil or China) drill and develop, and we can buy, furthering our trade deficit. Or we can drill to help with our domestic demand and maybe export some to help with the trade imbalance. Which model do you like?  In the meantime, all of you whose driving is withing 40 miles of your place of residence should be required to purchase electric vehicles.
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          • Author by jawill11 (June 14, 2008 10:06 pm ET)
               

            What's with the "required to purchase electric vehicles?"  Many of us would LOVE to buy an electric vehicle.  Unfortunately, they have been squashed and are not available.  Have you seen the movie, "Who Killed the Electric Car?"  Have you seen any stories about the elusive RAV4 electrics that are out there?  The RAV4 electrics can go 250 miles on one charge, so they are practical for pretty much anybody.  There is an electric sports car in Europe that can go 200 mph.  

            If we opened up drilling, any oil would not be available for 10 years.  There are dozens of avenues we can go down to drastically reduce our dependence over that decade without harming the environment.  To top it off, if we come up with a practical alternative, we could market it to those up and coming societies and make up some of that whopping trade deficit. 

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            • Author by Cannonball (June 16, 2008 9:43 am ET)
                 

              SORRY ABOUT THE ALL CAPS - BUT:

              REREAD THE ABOVE ENTRY UNTIL IT IS STUCK IN YOUR HEAD LIKE A BAD SONG - TEN YEARS UNTIL VIABLE OIL PRODUCTION OFFSHORE, IN ANWAR (ALASKA), ETC.  UNTIL THEN - WHO IS QUASHING ALTERNATIVE VEHICLES?  YOUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK.

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          • Author by roundhouse (June 15, 2008 9:58 am ET)
               
            "Well, let them (or Brazil or China) drill and develop, and we can buy, furthering our trade deficit. Or we can drill to help with our domestic demand and maybe export some to help with the trade imbalance. Which model do you like?

            Talk about boogeymen, Oscar.

            Instead of feeding this reckless oil jones, why not invest full tilt in clean, renewable energy? Screw the oilmen. Open the markets wide for real competition, the handful of oil producers have obviously colluded to keep prices and profits high. Were the oil market truly free, at least one of these producers would lower their prices to undercut the competition. But there is no competition. Screw 'em.

            Your thinking is, quite frankly, emblematic of the bassackward thinking that has left conservatism way behind the curve in the energy debate.
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            • Author by oscar the grouch (June 16, 2008 12:01 am ET)
                 
              What is the quickest way to the solution?  I sit within 20 miles of a 400+ unit wind farms and the turbines sit idle probably 40% of the time and I don't know how much of the time they turn at full capacity. I don't think we can plant enough wind turbines to "blow" our way out of the crisis. And they only pencil out because of tax credits. Solar? Would work in a few areas in the US, but from what I have read, a solar farm takes up about as much room per panel as a building lot. So do we sacrifice farm land in order to get enough sites to "burn" our way out of the problem. And again tax credits necessary to make them economical. Hydroelectric?   Most of the economical sites in the US have been developed and a lot of them are under pressure from environmentalists. Nuclear? Environmental concerns have prevented us from building a plant for how many years?  Biomass fuels?  Again, the economics for extending farm lands for suitable vegetation is going to reach a tipping point, and I think that point is very close to where we are at right now.  Midwest farm land under water as we write, a lot of that land probably will not product a mature corn or soybean crop this year. Hydrogen fuel cells?  We have a water shortage in much of the country now, how is devoting a portion of a scarce resource going to promote energy independence?  It is not a simple problem to solve, but a plan utilizing facets of each of the above (along with domestic "fossil" fuel production) over a period of years should help us solve the problem.  Fossil fuel alone is not the answer, but I have a problem with importing the stuff from countries that not promoting US friendly policies while we have resources within our control that are not being used. We are used as the go-to-guy when natural disasters occur around the world and we generally respond in a very charitable way, while countries belonging to OPEC are very stingy with the $ they have in an international way.
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              • Author by roundhouse (June 16, 2008 9:47 am ET)
                   
                So we are in agreement that free markets are a myth. Good start.

                So, you talk about solar panels taking up all that farmland...in the desert? OK. And simply because you don't "think" we can plant enough wind turbines doesn't make that type of renewable of energy impossible.

                I think you know that there is no single cure all, that it will take reearch, development and a combination clean energy sources that are regionally specific. There is no reason to wait before we start investing in green energy, it will be 2018 before petroleum from ANWR will be gas in our tanks. And don't bother complaining about subsidizing a green economy, we already prop up our fossil fuel based economy. Hell, the oil companies want us to pay for their new refineries. We spend our tax dollars on military protection for their oil interests.

                Just keep defending the status quo if you must. It's the main reason the right will be left behind. We need bold, brave thinking and a commitment to breaking our oil addiction, not capitulation to the old, destructive ideas.
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    • Author by steelydan (June 14, 2008 5:31 am ET)
         
      George Will is busy writing more baseball books. He doesn't have time to correct his falsehoods. By the way, Will doesn't understand jack about baseball, either.
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    • Author by candelman43976 (June 14, 2008 10:46 am ET)
         
      Will is such a fraud and a poseur who makes things up as he goes along.  I noticed that after he was corrected about proposed increase in SS taxes would be for ndividuals making over 100K NOT families making over 100K he positied the effect it would have on a mythic Chicago teacher earning with twenty years experience earing over 100K.  Bet you can't find one George!.  He has been consistently wrong on Global warming and he excuses himself by citing random stories in the 70's about possible cooling.  There was no solid scientific evidence at the time to show any long term cooling trend and even then the evidence showed an increase in tempretures over the last hundered years.  Why this fool is given a platform is one of the great mysteries of our time.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 14, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
         

      60 miles offshore and our intelligence service is giving Cheney bad data ????

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    • Author by jawill11 (June 14, 2008 7:56 pm ET)
         

      George Will is the intellectual, snobby version of the Wizard of Oz.  He puts on such a show of being so smart and aloof that people just eat up his BS as if it were ice cream.  However, even a cursory analysis of anything that comes out of his mouth shows that he has absolutely no idea what he is talking about.  

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      • Author by juliajayne (June 14, 2008 9:21 pm ET)
           
        I have to agree with you there. I saw him recently (I don't usually catch him) and he was talking utter nonesense. I thought he was supposed to be some sort of intellectual. Or at least the righties version of an intellectual (which I'm starting to to realize is not very intellectually inclined but is just "perceived" to be intellectual). Wait, I knew that before, Will just reminded me.
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      • Author by bruce1ace (June 14, 2008 10:20 pm ET)
           
        Anything?  You know, MMFA highlights an error and suddenly you jump to the conclusion that everything the guy says is not credible.  If you apply that logic to everyone then you couldn't believe anything.  Everyone makes errors from time to time.
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        • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 15, 2008 12:36 am ET)
             
          true, but remembering this lie ( or misrepresentation ) is multipled and repeated by the same exact number that listen, possibly becoming a million lies in the time it takes to say it.
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        • Author by juliajayne (June 15, 2008 9:04 am ET)
             
          What you say is true. But he was speaking in a general manner and not on specifics. And he was uttering nonesense. What would make me think that his logic on any specific subject would be sound if his general logic isn't?
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          • Author by juliajayne (June 15, 2008 11:09 am ET)
               

            Sorry, Bruce, I thought you were talking to me when you were addressing Jawill. But my point still stands about Will in relevence to his general illogic.

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        • Author by jawill11 (June 15, 2008 10:54 am ET)
             
          I'm not taking this instance and extrapolating.  I'm saying that everything he says is wrong.  He's ALWAYS wrong.  He just puts on a show of intellectualism to make it seem like he has facts on his side.  I just got done watching him today spouting crap that isn't true, such as how trickle-down economics causes rich people to invest in our economy and create more jobs for the middle class.  We all know that trickle-down has been a proven dud not once but both times it has been tried.  That was just one instance of stupid things he said just today.  
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          • Author by bruce1ace (June 15, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
               
            MMFA sure underreports on his errors in that case.
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          • Author by juliajayne (June 15, 2008 2:49 pm ET)
               

            Will seems to be in a time warp of some 30 + years ago and hasn't evolved in his thinking/ideas. Should MMFA subject that to scrutiny everyday? That's the overarching theme we're trying to relate.

             

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    • Author by MariAngela (June 14, 2008 9:17 pm ET)
         

      "In light of Cheney's correction, does Will intend to offer evidence in support of his claim, or will he issue a correction?" 

      IN answer to this question, I expected someone to note that Cheney's office feeds the media stuff in order to then quote the recipients.

       Here is another rather clear instance. Of course George Will will clear up nothing! He was just repeating what he got from Cheney's office.

       Moreover, shouldn't the vice president of the United States, with all the information available to his office, be ashamed to quote a columnist on such a serious matter?

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      • Author by historygeek001 (June 16, 2008 3:59 pm ET)
           
        I don't think that Cheney is able to feel shame.
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    • Author by Lucidity (June 15, 2008 12:57 am ET)
         
      it's probably 61 miles. or 59.
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