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Shelby Steele acknowledged he doesn't believe claim in subtitle of his own book on Obama

June 23, 2008 1:08 pm ET

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SUMMARY: Despite the claim in the subtitle of his book, A Bound Man: Why We Are Excited About Obama and Why He Can't Win, Shelby Steele acknowledged that he thinks Sen. Barack Obama "can definitely win" the presidential election. Steele told Fox News' Sean Hannity the subtitle was an "afterthought" that he "regret[ted]" and that it did not represent the book's thesis.

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Shelby Steele, author of A Bound Man: Why We Are Excited About Obama and Why He Can't Win (Free Press, December 2007), acknowledged that he thinks Sen. Barack Obama "can definitely win" the presidential election, despite the claim in the book's subtitle -- "Why He Can't Win" -- which he said was an "afterthought" that he "regret[ted]" and which he said did not represent the book's thesis.

Appearing on the June 22 edition of Fox News' Hannity's America, host Sean Hannity discussed with Steele Obama's "chances of making it all of the way to the White House," asking, "All right, so he can't win?" Steele responded: "He can win. I regret that subtitle," adding, "It was an afterthought. And I don't argue that in the book. He can definitely win. There is a powerful desire in American society today to see someone like him move to the White House."

From the June 22 edition of Fox News' Hannity's America:

HANNITY: As the first African-American presidential nominee, Democrat Barack Obama is no doubt running an historic campaign. But will that distinction help or hurt his chances of making it all of the way to the White House? Joining us now, author of a brand new book, A Bound Man: Why We Are Excited About Obama and Why He Can't Win, Shelby Steele. Shelby, good to see you, my friend. Thanks for being back with us.

STEELE: Good to be here.

HANNITY: All right, so he can't win?

STEELE: He can win. I regret that subtitle.

HANNITY: OK.

STEELE: It was an afterthought. And I don't argue that in the book. He can definitely win. There is a powerful desire in American society today to see someone like him move to the White House.

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    • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 1:15 pm ET)
         
      First WITH of the week.  Obviously his opinion, whether he believes Obama can win or not, none of us will know until we know.....so he messed up in the title of his book, at least he does acknowledge it.
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      • Author by Disputed Zone (June 23, 2008 1:29 pm ET)
           
        Pretty funny though.
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        • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 1:35 pm ET)
             
          Any book featured on Hannity's America is a must read summer beach page-turner.  Can't wait.
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          • Author by thomp.steve9098 (June 23, 2008 3:50 pm ET)
               
            I recommend Newt Gingrich's book, Real Change.  It's an excellent read and has been promoted on Hannity's America.
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            • Author by worrierking (June 23, 2008 4:31 pm ET)
                 
              As a product of the Catholic School system in your fair state, I'm already able to make change.

              I know if you give me a dollar to buy a $.05 soft pretzel from me, I'd owe you $.95 in real change.
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              • Author by thomp.steve9098 (June 23, 2008 4:46 pm ET)
                   

                WK,

                I too did time in the catholic school system of this beautiful state, which holds the city of brotherly love, and am impressed with your mathematical skills. But Gingrich is, I believe, a renowned philosopher, and spoke of "change" on a more metaphysical level.

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                • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (June 24, 2008 8:16 am ET)
                     

                  But Gingrich is, I believe, a renowned philosopher

                  You believe wrong. Only in his own mind is he renowned for philosophy.

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              • Author by princeofwheels (June 23, 2008 8:15 pm ET)
                   
                Don't forget the 6% sales tax...
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      • Author by pete592 (June 23, 2008 1:35 pm ET)
           

        Tommy's first missed point of the week.

        The claim is on the cover, Steele admits that it falsely prefaces the contents of the book, but he's not misinforming anyone?

        There's a Kevin Trudeau book you should read. 

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        • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 1:38 pm ET)
             

          Pete's first defense of MMFA  :)

          I am sure the entire book is one misinformed opinion.  So.

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          • Author by captfoster2 (June 23, 2008 2:04 pm ET)
               

            Tommy,

             "So"??........ stop stealing Dick Cheney's thunder!

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        • Author by BottleBlonde (June 23, 2008 1:49 pm ET)
             

          Media Matters has put into effect a process that systematically monitors a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation — news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda.

          Having a subtitle on a book that says Obama can't win even when you believe that he can win is forwarding the conservative agenda. It's making Obama's election look less likely than you think it is. The conservative agenda wants to make Obama look unelectable.

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          • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 1:59 pm ET)
               
            Thanks Sue, that means that any negative comment whatsoever against any Democrat should be highlighted here, after all that would be forwarding the conservative agenda, would it not?
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            • Author by JLyons (June 23, 2008 2:01 pm ET)
                 

              Tommy, I was thinking the same thing, I guess Sue /nomonbush/notthategeorge also believes Hillary Clinton was going around spewing Conservative Misinformation.

              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/02/hillary-clinton-barack-ob_n_94770.html

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              • Author by pete592 (June 23, 2008 2:08 pm ET)
                   
                Damn right she was.  Hillary joined the right-wing slime machine the moment she played the slumlord card and she never looked back until the Obama  campaign struck the final death blow.  It was one party-fracturing, racially-tinged, McCain-suckup line after another.
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                • Author by JLyons (June 23, 2008 2:10 pm ET)
                     
                  I do not disagree with you about HRC , but Sue/Ellie usually plays the partisan game . 
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                  • Author by BottleBlonde (June 23, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
                       
                    It is you who personally attacks me rather than addressing the issue. Many people from both sides of the aisle have had their conservative misinformation pointed out. It most often comes from those on the right but not always. That Hillary Clinton might have done it in the past has nothing to do with this author and Hannity pushing that conservative meme in this instance.
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            • Author by Brabantio (June 23, 2008 2:23 pm ET)
                 

              I think we can distinguish between "any negative comment" and a comment that is admittedly misleading.  It is about "misinformation" that forwards a conservative agenda, even by what Bottleblonde wrote.

              It doesn't seem as if the problem is with Hannity or his show, it's about the book.  It's showing that the subtitle is misrepresenting the book, which creates the wrong impression to anyone who hears about it.  It is out of the norm here, definitely, but noteworthy nonetheless.

              What I want to know is:how the hell do you write a subtitle that directly contradicts the thesis of your book?  That is just about impossible to believe.

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              • Author by MiddleLeft (June 23, 2008 5:10 pm ET)
                   

                What I want to know is:how the hell do you write a subtitle that directly contradicts the thesis of your book?  That is just about impossible to believe.

                He implies ithat he added it without due consideration but the truth is more likely he thought Obama couldn't win when the manuscript was sent to the  publishers.... and now he appears to be wrong.  Buy my book anyway!

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            • Author by BottleBlonde (June 23, 2008 4:22 pm ET)
                 

              You make your point look much weaker, if that's possible, when you falsely accuse me of being someone I'm not. But your point is pretty weak. Pushing a false meme in the media is the issue here, and so if that negative comment forwards the conservative agenda it would be fair game, that's correct.

              I don't care if you don't like Media Matters mission statement. Your disapproval doesn't change it. Based upon their mission statement, your WITH post is out of line.

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          • Author by jeter2 (June 23, 2008 3:27 pm ET)
               

            Having a subtitle on a book that says Obama can't win even when you believe that he can win is forwarding the conservative agenda. It's making Obama's election look less likely than you think it is. The conservative agenda wants to make Obama look unelectable.

            Well Sue/Ellie/Blondie how about the following article. Would you agree it forwards a Democratic/Liberal agenda by suggesting McCain's election isn't likely?? It seems to meet your criteria.

             

            Historians see little chance for McCain

            By DAVID PAUL KUHN | 6/15/08 7:05 AM EST

            One week into the general election, the polls show a dead heat. But many presidential scholars doubt that John McCain stands much of a chance, if any.

            Historians belonging to both parties offered a litany of historical comparisons that give little hope to the Republican. Several saw Barack Obama’s prospects as the most promising for a Democrat since Roosevelt trounced Hoover in 1932.

            “This should be an overwhelming Democratic victory,” said Allan Lichtman, an American University presidential historian who ran in a Maryland Democratic senatorial primary in 2006. Lichtman, whose forecasting model has correctly predicted the last six presidential popular vote winners, predicts that this year, “Republicans face what have always been insurmountable historical odds.” His system gives McCain a score on par with Jimmy Carter’s in 1980.

            http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0608/11090.html

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            • Author by BottleBlonde (June 23, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
                 

              Boy, you guys sure must've had your butts handed to you on a regular basis to be so afraid of Sue coming back.

              Sorry to disappoint, but I'm not her.

              Ever hear of 'attack the message, not the messenger'? Some other story that you claim pushes a liberal agenda is not within the scope of Media Matters. The issue is the book promoted on Hannity's show. A book title that furthers the conservative agenda of falsely making Obama look unelectable is within the scope and didn't deserve Tommy's WITH post.

              But that news story you mentioned is not pushing an agenda anyway. It's simply discussing historical data to extrapolate to this race. The subtitle of the book, on the other hand, isn't even supported by the contents inside the book. If you can't see the difference between a subtitle that's not backed up by the contents inside the book and factual judgements based upon historical data, then that's your problem.

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              • Author by jeter2 (June 23, 2008 5:04 pm ET)
                   

                Boy, you guys sure must've had your butts handed to you on a regular basis to be so afraid of Sue coming back.

                Funny but that's exactly what, Ellie, NotThatGeorge & all the other names "Sue" posted under here always said.

                And now you said it too.

                If you knew Susie like I know Susie...

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                • Author by JLyons (June 23, 2008 5:08 pm ET)
                     

                  Jeter

                  Bottleblonde/ellie/Sue/nomobush/notthatgeorge is the same person. Her saying she is not is like Hannity saying he is fair and balanced.

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                  • Author by onionhead (June 23, 2008 10:07 pm ET)
                       
                    I personally could give a rat's @$$ what this person's name is.  Even it is this person you claim it to be, address the argument. If they say something offensive, then flag them.  But quit acting like a bunch of 10year olds.
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                    • Author by BillJ-MN (June 24, 2008 7:57 am ET)
                         

                      I'm on your side.  I've never understood the thrill of playing that sort of "Gotcha" game.  I've participated on enough forums over the years to have seen a few of those moniker switches.  I almost always simply respond to the new name as I would have to the old.

                      The only time I've felt compelled to call the person out was when the different aliases started cheering each other on.

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                    • Author by Sueelldd (June 24, 2008 2:25 pm ET)
                         

                      I personally could give a rat's @$$ what this person's name is.  Even it is this person you claim it to be, address the argument. If they say something offensive, then flag them.  But quit acting like a bunch of 10year olds.

                      I agree with you, it did not stop that Bottleblonde and others from accusing me I was BobtheP however, many on here love to play games and one of them is smearing.

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                      • Author by BottleBlonde (June 25, 2008 5:00 pm ET)
                           

                        I'm on your side.  I've never understood the thrill of playing that sort of "Gotcha" game.  I've participated on enough forums over the years to have seen a few of those moniker switches.  I almost always simply respond to the new name as I would have to the old.

                        The only time I've felt compelled to call the person out was when the different aliases started cheering each other on.

                         

                        • - BillJ-MN / Tuesday June 24, 2008 7:57:23 AM EDT

                        Guess you didn't see this post above yours before you again attempted to smear me. Weeks ago I pointed out your hypocrisy because you said you hadn't lambasted KO in "months" when you had in fact done it less than 2 months before. I used your own words to debunk what you said when you unfairly criticized JuliaJayne. I called you and Bobthep out as being sockpuppets because it's clearly true. Someone else who has been here a lot longer than I have first noticed it, but it's undeniabe. The screen name Bobthep was the one who was tasked with mocking and criticizing KO as soon as the screen name Sueeld stopped doing it.

                        As Bill said above, when different screen names of the same poster start with the hijinks, it's time to call them out. Otherwise, it's out of line.

                        And to top it off, I still have your comments where you claim to be better than this.

                        J, thanks, but as I said earlier I do not want to get into this discussion. You may have an issue with Bottleblonde, I really just want to stick to issues.

                        - SueEld / Tuesday June 10, 2008 12:28:21 PM EDT  

                        Do you think people read that and think that you really want to stick to the issues, or that you simply wanted to appear innocent and pretend to distance yourself from the unfair attacks that Jlyon was making?

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                        • Author by JLyons (June 25, 2008 10:09 pm ET)
                             

                          Sue/Ellie

                          And you are a sockpuppet also, shame on you again for your unfair attack on Sueeld by accusing her of being BobtheP. You really are vile.

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          • Author by mikerhyner8202 (June 24, 2008 9:45 am ET)
               
            Yep that is why they regurgitate Keith O's worst person awards...only worried about misinformation. 
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      • Author by sportsguydave (June 23, 2008 3:17 pm ET)
           

        And it took all of 7  minutes after the item was posted.

        Catch you on coffee break?? :)

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        • Author by mefirst (June 23, 2008 5:22 pm ET)
             
          the troll contract guarantees two per shift.
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          • Author by sportsguydave (June 23, 2008 5:46 pm ET)
               
            I'd complain to the troll union then. The industry standard is three per day. Trolls deserve a break, too!! :)
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            • Author by njguy93 (June 24, 2008 6:03 pm ET)
                 

              The conservative trolls would hate unions, or at least they're supposed to like their patron saint Ronald Reagan.  They'd be in a predicament with that one.

              THANK YOU.

              njguy93@yahoo.com

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      • Author by see it real (June 23, 2008 7:49 pm ET)
           

        Tommy, as I said earlier, I am shocked that Steele is ADMITTING to that fact, especially to one of his biggest racist white supremacist "fans", Racist Sean Hannity, on the Fox Lies Channel.

        Most black conservatives don't believe the anti-black things they say about their own race, but they say them because they want to collect big paychecks from their white corporatist conservative Republican elites foundations and think tanks that control them and trot them out to the black community as the alleged "alternative" black leadership, when in reality, Negro conservatives like Steele are the black conservative "puppetship".

        I expect black talk radio to verbally barbeque Steele like baby back ribs big time...AGAIN.  That was BEFORE the admission he made. 

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    • Author by nerzog (June 23, 2008 1:16 pm ET)
         
      Of course it was a mistake. How could they scare the Troglodytes into voting if they think Obama is destined to lose anyway? The GOP base has nothing to vote FOR this time around.... it's all about getting them to vote AGAINST something or someone.
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      • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 1:37 pm ET)
           

        Gee, and I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and beleive that he might actually think Obama's could win. After all Condi Rice was "gratified by Obama's win". Article here: http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/07/rice_gratified_by_obama_win.html

        But you make a good point. And a sobering point. Maybe a little cynical. But hey, after all that's gone down, cyncism is warranted.

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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 23, 2008 1:37 pm ET)
           

        You'd thing Steele, for all of the time he spends hanging around Fox, would have been sharp enough to put the subtitle in the form of a question.

        Obama;Impossible to Elect????

        ps to Tommy- be careful. Your recent posts indicate that you may be sliding into an alternate reality where the WITH thing is an official duty, or  that others take you seriously and rely on your judgment to help them.I'm concerned it may be going past the goof phase.  ;0)

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        • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 1:40 pm ET)
             
          And coming from you Colonel, the official MMFA author of substance-devoid goofiness here, I will take your advice to heart.
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          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 23, 2008 1:52 pm ET)
               
            The first step might be to recognize and try to avoid the conservative tendency to equate earnest self-importance with substance. It's the cause of a lot of your problems.
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        • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 1:44 pm ET)
             

          Tommy boy just takes the cake

          With those spurious arguments he makes

          Asking Why is this here?

          With a glib little sneer

          It's 'cause he has no point to make 

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          • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 2:01 pm ET)
               
            WITH is the point JJ, it just doesn't rubberstamp the thread like the rest of you do.....darnit anyway.
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            • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 23, 2008 2:12 pm ET)
                 

              That's why everybody gets such a laugh out of it, Tommy. According to you, anybody who sees the point in a particular MMFA item is an unthinking "rubberstamper".

              But you, because you post every day trying to find reasons why the items are not valid, are a free-thinking firebrand.

              You do get the joke, don't you?

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              • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 2:17 pm ET)
                   
                You are spending an inordinate amount of time on it today Colonel??, if the threads are so airtight then what's a little WITH now and then?  Calm yourself, all is fine in the media misinformation world, relax.....  :)
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 23, 2008 2:21 pm ET)
                     
                  OK, Tommy, I'll try to calm down. I really just wanted to get you to write "darnit anyway" again. At least my hysterical ,emotional outbursts didn't resort to rough language.
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            • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 2:16 pm ET)
                 
              Like I said, boyo. You have no salient point to make. And you did miss the point just as Pete pointed out. Sorry little buddy :-0) I know the truth hurts. And BTW, you're sounding a wee bit jealous of the colonel. Come on....admit it. :-0)
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              • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 2:20 pm ET)
                   
                The salient point is this is just a difference of opinion that MMFA finds objectionable, you don't think those of us not attached-at-the-hip to the rest of you can't see that.  Sweetheart, we can.......but as I told the Colonel, touchy touchy today, go back to your liberal 101 training classes on tolerance and brush up a little.......(muah)
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                • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 2:23 pm ET)
                     
                  Yeah, that it's just so and so's opinion is such a barnburner of a rebuttal. But thanks for the guffaw.
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                • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 23, 2008 2:25 pm ET)
                     

                  but as I told the Colonel, touchy touchy today

                  What does that mean,I have an appointment to get a massage from you, Tommy? Neat !

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                  • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 2:33 pm ET)
                       

                    I knew he was crushing on you colonel :-)

                    First the date, now a massage. He's getting hotter than me and Jeter.

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                    • Author by worrierking (June 23, 2008 2:37 pm ET)
                         
                      And they're both California residents.

                      Can nuptials be around the corner?

                      Where are you registered?
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                      • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 2:39 pm ET)
                           
                        Hustler store on Sunset Strip/Hollywood.  And Col is taking care of the catered reception, courtesy of KFC.
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                        • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 23, 2008 3:20 pm ET)
                             

                          Also registered at the Bill O'Reilly Factor Store clearance sale dept.

                          Culture Warrior  Unstructured Baseball Cap

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                          • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
                               
                            Oh now thanks alot Colonel, I have already opened up 12 Culture Warrior doormats from my relatives, please, tell 'em we have enough of those!
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                          • Author by worrierking (June 23, 2008 3:56 pm ET)
                               
                            Not sure if you two are interested, but a rare, signed, first edition of Bill O'Reilly's "Those Who Trespass, A Novel of Murder and Television" is for sale on eBay for $175 plus $10 shipping.
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                    • Author by jeter2 (June 23, 2008 3:32 pm ET)
                         

                       He's getting hotter than me and Jeter

                      Nah darlin Tommy & the Colonel don't have our sizzle :-)

                      I'll be Tommy's Best Man, if you'll be the Colonel's Maid Of Honor ;-)

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                      • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 3:35 pm ET)
                           
                        I'd rather be on your MM tipster's staff (provided you pay me under the table ;-0)
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                        • Author by jeter2 (June 23, 2008 3:45 pm ET)
                             

                          Julia honey it can be under the table or on top of the table...wherever you'd like...;-) hehehe

                          But I have to pay?!?

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                          • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 3:49 pm ET)
                               

                            You can pay me under the table....

                            Now next time you don't get the thrust of my points, dont make me tweak them for you. Or you may get the rough side of my tongue!

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                            • Author by jeter2 (June 23, 2008 3:55 pm ET)
                                 

                              Darlin I got your point ;-)

                              I'd have you under or on top of any table...

                              I just don't know why I have to pay. I ain't no john ;-)

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                              • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 4:03 pm ET)
                                   

                                Now Jeter, either you are being very obtuse or you're really embracing your "Himbo American" heritage.

                                Reread my post. It's filthy. Geeze.

                                I require no monetary payment. Just your undying love, devotion and lust :-0)

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                                • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
                                     
                                  But it's okay sweet, this filly was a little rambunctious right out of the Monday gate. We have to pace ourselves. Wouldn't want you losing too many of your marbles this early in the week :-)
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                                • Author by jeter2 (June 23, 2008 4:55 pm ET)
                                     

                                  Ok sweet Julia, sometimes I don't want to just assume you're talkin sexy...just in case you're not :-O

                                  I wasn't sure with your first post, though I thought you probably were, so I made the under/over the table comment. Now I get what "pay" meant. Hey I'm a sweet guy [I saw the post where you said that] I try to be a gentleman...but you bring out the Hound aka undying love, devotion and lust in me ;-)

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                                  • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 5:11 pm ET)
                                       

                                    Well, I did tell you last week that I could be a lot less of a lady :-) But I hope I don't have to corral my "feelings" too much out of deference to you bein' a gentleman and all :-0)

                                    And you are sweet. That's true. That's one reason I like you.

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                                    • Author by jeter2 (June 23, 2008 5:48 pm ET)
                                         

                                      Aw shucks [blushing]

                                      Julia to me you are the perfect combo of sweet & feisty, which is why I like you :-)

                                      And even Gentlemen & Ladies can have a little fun ;-)

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                                      • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 6:55 pm ET)
                                           
                                        There's 4-5 more reasons I like you. I'll get around to telling you some day :-)
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                      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 23, 2008 3:36 pm ET)
                           
                        You're confused, Jeter. The bride has the maid of honor. This was decided by the secret handshake. (Thanks, Worrierking)
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                        • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 3:41 pm ET)
                             
                          Whoa!  I ain't gonna be da bride.......they fitted you for that god-awful cream colored lace number, not me!
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                        • Author by jeter2 (June 23, 2008 3:51 pm ET)
                             

                          Ha! Colonel how do you know where to find this kind of info? Never mind, I don't want to know..

                          Well, in light of this secret handshake, I'll be your Best Man & Julia can be Tommy's Maid of Honor.

                          I just don't think I can wear heels ;-)

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                          • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 23, 2008 3:59 pm ET)
                               

                            And see if you can get Tommy to polish up his dancing a little before the reception.

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                            • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 4:05 pm ET)
                                 

                              Tommy's hotter than I imagined! Now if I can get him to switch teams :-0)

                               

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                              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 23, 2008 4:15 pm ET)
                                   
                                This thread got very silly for a Monday.
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                                • Author by juliajayne (June 23, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
                                     
                                  Yeah, but Friday was no fun. We just bumped it up a few days. Friday you and Tommy were having a lover's quarrel on the very first post. It set a bad tone for the day :-0)
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                                  • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 23, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
                                       

                                    I think Tommy's a little overwhelmed with "The Big Day" coming up.He's even imagined some other dress than the little black number he fell in love with.

                                    (And my new suits nuthin to sneeze at either)

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                                    • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 5:35 pm ET)
                                         

                                      Alright Col, I know walking down the aisle with a liberal demands I wear black, but you really shouldn't have let our little secret out, now you've really done it!!

                                      ;) 

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                            • Author by worrierking (June 23, 2008 5:22 pm ET)
                                 
                              Polish up his dancing?

                              Are you trying to say he should learn to do the Polka?
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                              • Author by tommy (June 23, 2008 5:33 pm ET)
                                   
                                Best post of the day.....good one W!
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                              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 23, 2008 5:36 pm ET)
                                   
                                Har! King, that's exactly what he needs to do. I'd better quit, I've got Van Damme, Tor Johnson and Vampira in here already.
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                                • Author by worrierking (June 23, 2008 7:50 pm ET)
                                     
                                  And don't forget the picture you posted in the other thread of the guy using two marmots, one to cover his head and the other to cover his upper lip.
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                              • Author by oscar the grouch (June 24, 2008 12:27 am ET)
                                   
                                WK, shouldn't that be the muzurka?
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    • Author by shaggles (June 23, 2008 1:34 pm ET)
         
      I think this belongs here. However, complaints should be directed towards the publisher rather than Fox News.
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      • Author by Sueelldd (June 23, 2008 1:54 pm ET)
           
        Fox News is the one spewing out the propaganda, they deserve the complaints.
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        • Author by shaggles (June 23, 2008 2:35 pm ET)
             
          In general true.  But in this case the publisher is at fault IMO.
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      • Author by nerzog (June 23, 2008 1:59 pm ET)
           
        Never miss an opportunity to slam FOX "News".
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    • Author by NiceguyEddie (June 23, 2008 2:02 pm ET)
         
      Did Insanity's head explode when Mr. Steele said this?  I missed the show. Did he, by chance, think he was hosting someone who actually believed that?
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      • Author by see it real (June 23, 2008 7:55 pm ET)
           

        NiceGuy, Sean Hannity is a right wing racist ball of hate, and as for Steele, as I quote the insult coined by black talk radio host Matt McGill of WVON-AM 1690 http://www.wvon.com, "Steele is a buck-dancing, self-hating, Yes Massa' right wing conservative Negro Sambo!"  McGill's words, not mine!

        Speaking of WVON-AM 1690, another one of their black radio hosts, Roland S. Martin http://www.rolandsmartin.com has repeatedly called out Hannity, and has repeatedly challenged Hannity to a debate.  So far, Hannity is STILL telling the lie that he never heard of Martin.

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    • Author by JLyons (June 23, 2008 2:02 pm ET)
         
      Steele and Hannity two GOP Hacks, what else would we expect.
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    • Author by Dem02020 (June 23, 2008 2:14 pm ET)
         

       

      It is racism, and racist, at this stage of the proceeding, to continuously make these completely unnecessary observations about any of the candidate's "race" or ethnic heritage or color or whatever you want to call it: why bother to keep invoking something that is not only long known and obvious to everybody, but doesn't make any difference anyway?

      Because it's racism asnd racist, that's why.

       

      Illustration: Imagine for a moment that you're in College, and you're going home for the long weekend: your room-mate has nothing to do this weekend, nor any place to go... and rather than leave them there alone on campus, you invite them to be your guest, and your family's guest, for the long weekend back at your home: you walk into the house, and say "hey mom hey dad it's me home for the weekend and I brought my roomie and I'm sure you won't mind if we find room on the couch or wherever and here she or he is, come welcome him or her!"

      And your mom says "hey love I missed you terribly and hi roomie any friend of our daughter or son is a daughter or son to us too and sure you're welcome and we can do better than the couch I'm sure!"

      And your dad says"Hi... gee, I see that you're a different race or ethnic heritage or color or whatever, from us"

       

      And you and your mom look mortified: but why leave a mess on the floor, when you can at least make the effort to clean it up: "you'll have to excuse my husband" your mom says... "he not only has such sharp eyes for the obvious, but he makes distinctions among people that don't really make a bit of difference anyway"

      And you laugh, and say "that's my dad alright!", trying to keep it light.

       

      But later on, at the dinner table, your dad does it again, and makes a completely unnecesarry comment as to your room-mate's race color or whatever: "so, what's it like being the race color or whatever that you are: it must be something out of the ordinary, I bet"

      ...and when he does it yet again: "I can't help but to want to comment more about how I see that you are a different race color whatever from me, and on how that means you are something different from the rest of us: let's talk more about things skin-deep and obvious to us all, as though they mattered and we just can't get over them and..."

      You and your mom are furious!

      Your mom snarls like a tigress at your dad, and the words seem to indicate that there's something out in the kitchen that needs attending to: and your dad knows this voice and what it means, and like a jack-out-of-the-box, he's out of his seat at the table, and out into the kitchen...

      And your mom turns so sweet and placid and warm and still, like the eye of a hurricane having just relieved you of the tempest, and turns to your room-mate to say:

      "Please forgive me and my husband and my son or daughter, and our Home, for my husband's behavior: while the idiot things he says might easily be thought of as racist, I assure you, that he is a good man: it is just that he is somewhat ignorant in these things, and sometimes just can't get past what's not important, what's not really a distinction in Human People, and what's so obvious and long acceptable, that it no longers matters to us, as we all have long seen, and we get it...

      ...and it's no real difference among Human People anyway, is it dear?"

      And the dear she is speaking to, is both you and your room-mate: who now that you think of it, is like a Brother or Sister to you, never more than now, by way of what your mom just did and said.

       

      And before you can say anything, your white roomate speaks up: "It's OK... I understand... it's alright: if it's racism or racist, it's mild compared to what it could be... I'd rather not keep having people draw me a different color than them" your white roomate says "but it's OK, I understand..."

      "My dad does the same thing too... on the television even... maybe you've seen him do it, on Fox... my dad's sean hannity, and he does that same racist thing too, of unnecessarily prattling on about what the rest of us have long noticed and gotten over, and doesn't truly make any difference anyway"

       

      Not to the eye... and not in the eye of the hurricane.

       

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    • Author by eniobob2631 (June 23, 2008 3:36 pm ET)
         
      Did hannity(small letters for a small thinking man)cut him off,after he had that moment of truth telling?
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    • Author by see it real (June 23, 2008 7:42 pm ET)
         

      The surprise is NOT that the anti-black Negro Conservative Shelby Steele does NOT believe the lies and dissemblies that he himself wrote in his own book.

      The surprise is that Steele is admitting to that fact on television, the BIGGER surprise is that he's admitting it on GOP-Fox Lies Channel, the BIGGEST surprise of all is that he's saying that to the right wing racist white supremacist ball of hate Liar Sean Hannity.

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