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Dick Morris repeated false and misleading claims about Obama's tax proposals on Hannity & Colmes and Today

June 25, 2008 2:40 pm ET

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SUMMARY: On Fox News, Dick Morris asserted that as president, Sen. Barack Obama "would double the capital gains tax. That means that you get far less when you sell your home, or your 401(k) or your stock plan," and added, "[H]e would increase the limit on Social Security taxes, which means instead of paying 12 1/2 percent of the first $100,000, you pay it on everything that you're making." Morris' claims are false or highly misleading.

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During the June 23 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, Fox News contributor and nationally syndicated columnist Dick Morris repeated false and misleading claims about Sen. Barack Obama's proposal to increase capital gains taxes on individuals making more than $250,000 per year and about Obama's Social Security proposal. Morris asserted that as president, Obama "would double the capital gains tax. That means that you get far less when you sell your home, or your 401(k) or your stock plan," and added, "[H]e would increase the limit on Social Security taxes, which means instead of paying 12 1/2 percent of the first $100,000, you pay it on everything that you're making." Morris made a similarly false claim during the June 24 edition of NBC's Today, asserting that "[i]f you doubled the tax on capital gains, which means anybody sells their home, the government takes twice much out of it." Host Matt Lauer failed to challenge Morris' false claim.

Contrary to Morris' assertion that Obama "would double the capital gains tax," which would mean getting "far less" when "you sell your 401 (k) or your stock plan," Obama has said he would not raise the capital gains tax rate on individuals with income of less than $250,000. Moreover, an increase in capital gains taxes would not in any event affect most distributions from 401(k) and IRA accounts, which are taxed as ordinary income. Further, Morris' assertion that under Obama's plan all homeowners would pay twice as much in taxes when selling their homes is false. Single homeowners can in most cases exempt up to $250,000 in gains realized from the sale of an owner-occupied home from capital gains taxes, and married homeowners can in most cases exempt up to $500,000.

Additionally, while Morris claimed that Obama "would increase the limit on Social Security taxes," which Morris said would mean paying them "on everything that you're making," Obama's plan to raise the cap on income that is subject to Social Security taxes would include a "doughnut hole" that exempts income that is over the current cap of $102,000 but less than $250,000; Obama stated in a June 13 speech of his proposal that "[a]nybody under $250,000 would not be affected whatsoever. Ninety-seven percent of Americans will see absolutely no change in their taxes under my plan."

From the June 24 edition of NBC's Today:

LAUER: All right, so you just bring up the economy. And I've only got 30 seconds left, and I apologize for that, but when you look at polls, you got people who are saying that, although Barack Obama is pretty much a newcomer versus John McCain, who's spent years and years in the Senate, they trust Barack Obama more with the economy than they do John McCain. Why?

MORRIS: Well, because they're not informed. If you doubled the tax on capital gains, which means anybody sells their home, the government takes twice as much out of it. Sell any of your stock, they take twice as much out of it. You're going to drive capital away from the United States. When I was with Bill Clinton, we balanced the budget because we cut the capital gains tax, which raised revenue 'cause there's more transaction. And I believe that if Obama's elected, you can't have these kinds of tax increases without really deepening the recession.

LAUER: You say that, under normal circumstances, Barack Obama would be tough to elect, but you think that, at this particular time, he's the nominee of a party that can't lose?

MORRIS: Yep. You have a candidate that has trouble getting elected atop a candidate -- party that can't lose, and you have a candidate that could probably in normal times easily get elected atop a party that can't win.

From the June 23 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

HANNITY: All right, I'm going to tell you something. You -- this is -- you wrote some phenomenal stuff. I want you to tell everybody, your first chapter, President Obama -- what would he do?

MORRIS: He would double the capital gains tax. That means that you get far less when you sell your home, or your 401(k), or your stock plan. He would double the dividends tax. That means that old ladies who clip coupons from corporate stocks get less money.

He would double the -- he would increase the limit on Social Security taxes, which means instead of paying 12 1/2 percent of the first $100,000, you pay it on everything that you're making.

HANNITY: Wow.

MORRIS: So that gives you --

HANNITY: And you'll never get that money back.

MORRIS: It gives you an effective tax rate of 60 percent, and it means no boss can raise your pay without having to shell out that extra money in taxes.

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    • Author by nerzog (June 25, 2008 2:53 pm ET)
         
      Yes, brother. Pity the top 2%...... they have sacrificed so much!
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    • Author by clams casino (June 25, 2008 2:56 pm ET)
         
      [satire]But it's just Dick Morris's opinion, and we have no system in place that would determine whether or not he's telling the truth, so there's absolutely nothing that Lauer could have said or done to clarify or correct Morris's statements.[satire off]
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      • Author by stevensm (June 25, 2008 4:56 pm ET)
           

        "Dick Morris repeated false and misleading claims"

        What?! I'm shocked, simly shocked!

        If it weren't for false and misleading claims, Morris wouldn't have anything to say.

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      • Author by BottleBlonde (June 25, 2008 5:04 pm ET)
           

        [satire]But it's just Dick Morris's opinion, and we have no system in place that would determine whether or not he's telling the truth, so there's absolutely nothing that Lauer could have said or done to clarify or correct Morris's statements.[satire off]

        • - clams casino / Wednesday June 25, 2008 2:56:21 PM EDT

        I want to express my gratitude for all the people who didn't try to take this thread off topic like some previous threads on this site have gone. Those people are mysteriously absent from this thread - off licking their wounds??

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        • Author by juliajayne (June 25, 2008 6:10 pm ET)
             
          No, they're still measuring their penile projectiles. I'd call it for Jeter, but you know I'm biased. :-)
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    • Author by wzwriter (June 25, 2008 3:15 pm ET)
         
      Dicky Boy needs to go back to sucking on prostitutes' toes - otherwise, he needs to keep his piehole shut.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 25, 2008 3:26 pm ET)
         
      oh yeah, the " exclusive" interview of a " FOX contributor " on a "FOX program ". I am going to start using the " idiot " terminology more freely now.
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      • Author by wzwriter (June 25, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
           

        I am going to start using the " idiot " terminology more freely now.

        Eventually, when you look up the word "idiot" in the dictionary, you'll find a definition that reads "See Morris, Dick".   :-)

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        • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 25, 2008 3:34 pm ET)
             
          We're going to get dictionarys that call us names?
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 25, 2008 3:35 pm ET)
               

            Can I get one that tells me how to spell the plural of "dictionary"?

            "...ies, Jerk!"

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            • Author by juliajayne (June 25, 2008 3:39 pm ET)
                 
              You are many things vaudevillian quipster (say troll, bigot, you know the litany), but jerk is not one of them.
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              • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 25, 2008 3:41 pm ET)
                   
                Tell that to the name calling dicktionaree.
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                • Author by wzwriter (June 25, 2008 4:08 pm ET)
                     

                  Tell that to the name calling dicktionaree.

                  Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw a while back:

                  HOOKT ON FONIX
                  WERKT FER MEE"

                  :-)

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                  • Author by mary59 (June 25, 2008 5:08 pm ET)
                       
                    nou downtt geat mea staurtted.
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                    • Author by BottleBlonde (June 25, 2008 5:34 pm ET)
                         

                      I had a guy today tell me that I was an idiot and incompetent over the phone, all because my company will not bow down before him and do for him what he is demanding (he's being totally unreasonable - and I have explained how he's being unreasonable and how our company is behaving exactly as they should be).

                      Then he sends me an email telling me that I have "waisted" his time.

                      Who's the idiot?

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                • Author by TadekKorn (June 26, 2008 3:49 am ET)
                     

                  Re: dicktionaree

                  I think you mean dick-sean-airy,  a FAUX News and commentary combo.

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          • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 25, 2008 6:42 pm ET)
               
            Nope, I was referrring directly to Morris. noone else here.
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    • Author by juliajayne (June 25, 2008 3:29 pm ET)
         

      And people were just wondering yesterday if Dick Morris's new book will be fair to Obama? I mean it might be. It could be. 'Cause he is so right about so many things and so fair minded....Hmmn. I just wonder. I mean since he is the bulwark of journalistic probity and fount of much wisdom. 

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      • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 25, 2008 3:32 pm ET)
           
        Luckily, whenever I catch Dicky on Fox, it's usually balanced out by a follow-up interview with another Fox contributor. Karl Rove, for example.That's why they're America's Most Trusted Name in News™
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        • Author by historygeek001 (June 25, 2008 4:11 pm ET)
             
          You clearly watch Fox more regularly than I do, Col.  You also clearly have a stronger stomach than I do. 
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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 25, 2008 4:32 pm ET)
               
            I have a very powerful stomach. Just last night I caught an "All Star panel"; Brit Hume, the Beltway Boobs(Morty & Freddy) & that gargoyle Krauthammer. They were discussing the oil situation, and believe me , between those four, I got at least one distinct opinion. My gag reflex was tested, but I made it through.
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    • Author by piniella (June 25, 2008 3:35 pm ET)
         
      Morris spewed the same BS on Hannity's radio show yesterday.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (June 25, 2008 3:44 pm ET)
         
      Dick should be thankful that Obama doesn't plan to tax toe sucking...then he'd squeal his disapproval like a little pink piglet.
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    • Author by newzhound (June 25, 2008 4:06 pm ET)
         

      Little Dick said "...old ladies who clip coupons from corporate stocks get less money."  Could he be any more clueless?

      Corporate stocks don't have coupons - if you're lucky they have dividends.  That are, I believed, taxed as ordinary income.  Bonds pay interest - and in the old days one clipped the interest coupon from the bond (corpus) and turned it in.  Interest.  Ordinary income.

      When stocks are sold one might (if fortunate) have a short- or long-term capital gain.  Same with a bond.

      In other words, poor Little Dick should stick to discussing what he understands...I'm just not sure what the heck that would be.

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      • Author by mary59 (June 25, 2008 5:10 pm ET)
           
        Seeing that he is an extreme ignoramus, why is he appearing on the Today show?!! Wait, wait, don't tell me...
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        • Author by juliajayne (June 25, 2008 5:26 pm ET)
             
          Wait, wait, don't tell me...
          • - mary59 / Wednesday June 25, 2008 5:10:59 PM EDT

           

          Now girl, you're all mixed up. That wait, wait don't tell me show is on NPR. :-0) 

          And hey, girl, why aren't you participating in todays version of the pissing match over on the Savage Weiner thread? ('Scuse the vulgarity).

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          • Author by Col. Harlan Sanders (June 25, 2008 6:19 pm ET)
               
            Hey, JJ. I think I'm going to start skipping the first item of the day when I come to this site. That seems to be the one where Hymie the Robot digs his hole and won't stop digging until he's ready to hit the fainting couch. (although it's tough to resist helping him dig sometimes)
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            • Author by juliajayne (June 25, 2008 6:44 pm ET)
                 
              Colonel, I saw your two videos. Best thing on that thread. There was so much concrete flyin' yesterday and today I thought I was on a construction site.
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          • Author by mary59 (June 25, 2008 6:34 pm ET)
               
            You mean all the folks saying that Weiner aint necessarily a racist dirtbag? ;-)

            Actually it's hard to fathom what he really thinks, because like most of the wing nuts, he presents us only with a cartoon image of himself.
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            • Author by juliajayne (June 25, 2008 6:41 pm ET)
                 

              You mean all the folks saying that Weiner aint necessarily a racist dirtbag? ;-)

               

              Yeah, yeah, you got it, Sis. And yesterday's was the phony censorship meme. Idiot's don't know our press is like 50 something in the world for bein' "free".

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              • Author by mary59 (June 25, 2008 6:55 pm ET)
                   
                #50: what an audacious statement....we're always #1!!! When I woke up this morning, I knew I was #1 just like every American. Free to get wire tapped and put on a watch list and can shout anything from my little razor wire enclosure.
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              • Author by juliajayne (June 25, 2008 7:21 pm ET)
                   

                There is censorship in the media by the very fact that it is owned by large corporations and moneyed elite that get to control the flow of information, guests and show formats. That was evident back when Phil Donahue, Charles Grodin and Ashley Banfield (all who deigned to speak the truth about the war) got canned from CNBC and MSNBC. And even Jesse Ventura who was supposed to have taken Phil Donahue's place had to have his contract paid off (and got no show) when it was learned he was not for the war.

                Reposting from yesterday's Dicky Morris thread.

                 

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                • Author by mary59 (June 25, 2008 7:55 pm ET)
                     
                  Thomas Jefferson would never have gotten on the air, much less had his own show. Waaay too radical. How dare he insult king George.
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                  • Author by juliajayne (June 26, 2008 2:30 am ET)
                       
                    Ha! Even if he did have a show, I'm sure Steve Capus would fire him too.
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    • Author by MoonbatYouBet (June 25, 2008 5:12 pm ET)
         

      More like:

      The capital gains tax changes proposed by Obama will make it so that those who make millions buying and selling stocks without actually producing any goods or services themselves will no longer pay half the tax rate of those who invested in mutual funds to rpovide for their own retirements.  They will make so that those who manipulate the real estate market will not enjoy the same tax breaks as those who sell their family home.  They will end the arbitrary cut off of social security payments for those individuals who make more than $100,000 annually.

      Oh wait, that would be the truth and telling the truth would reveal how badly these pundits just want to protect the fortunes of themselves and their masters while pretending they care about average Americans. 

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    • Author by BottleBlonde (June 25, 2008 5:31 pm ET)
         

      They're doing it again.

      When Kerry was running, they tried to turn his strengths into weaknesses and did a pretty good job of it. He was a war hero. His military history was something to be proud of. They turned it into a liability.

      Here, Obama's got some great ideas about how to bring in more income without hurting the people who cannot afford to give much more to the government. Morris is trying to turn his good ideas into crap by lying about them, just like the SBVT's lied about John Kerry's Navy record.

      Very few of the people listening to this show will ever feel the pain that Morris mentions.

      I don't get how they snow the folks they way they do. They act like they're out for the little guy when they're out only for themselves and other rich people like themselves.

      Just the other day, on Sunday, Brit Hume said something like "I'd like to be rich"! Give me a break. No network star like he is isn't rich. He's 65 years old, so he's been working and getting raises all his adult life. His wife is a bigwig with Fox News too. Back in 2007, Shepard Smith signed a 3 year contract for about $7 million a year. I think it's undeniable that Hume makes in the millions each year, and he had the nerve to claim that he's not rich?

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      • Author by foghornleghorn (June 25, 2008 5:41 pm ET)
           
        Hume has been rich for so long and has walked only among the rich and powerful for so long, that being "rich" for him is making tens of millions of dollars a year,
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      • Author by foghornleghorn (June 25, 2008 5:41 pm ET)
           
        Hume has been rich for so long and has walked only among the rich and powerful for so long, that being "rich" for him is making tens of millions of dollars a year, not
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      • Author by nerzog (June 25, 2008 6:02 pm ET)
           
        Well, see, he's doing that so that he can say, with a straight face, that someone making over $250,000 is "middle class". Then he can wring his hands and wail that Obama is threatening to raise taxes on the "middle class".
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        • Author by juliajayne (June 25, 2008 6:38 pm ET)
             
          Yeah, he's related to Charles Gibson. Oh, but they're all related. Inbreeding is a terrible thing.
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    • Author by newzhound (June 25, 2008 6:41 pm ET)
         

      Remember "Carnac the Magnificent!?"

      The answer is "Fleeced."

      The question is "How do you describe someone who bought Little Dick Morris' new book?"

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    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (June 25, 2008 7:44 pm ET)
         
      Beware! Prissy Dickey is NOT stupid or misinformed. He is a paid shill for the GOP and it is so obvious it is hilarious. Do you honestly believe the Grand Old Farty is going to allow some elitist, black, america-hating, flag-pen rejecting, manchurian candidate WIN this election. Rest assured that Johnny Mac has already worked out a personnel chart, ready for penciling in the names of turn-coats like Prissy Dicky. Morris will be our next Chairman of the Joint Chiefs or Special Council to the President. Billy O-my-God O'Reilly will be the Press Secretary and William Kristol is already being groomed for Secretary of State. Poor old David Brooks will be White House groundskeeper. While we chuckle and smirk and have fun with Dick and Sean, watch your back.
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      • Author by juliajayne (June 25, 2008 7:49 pm ET)
           
        Donald, you're scaring me :-)
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        • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (June 26, 2008 12:57 am ET)
             
          JULIAJAYNE,

          When all this takes place, don't come running to me saying, "Why didn't you TELL us?" I go all the way back to FDR, Kid. Nobody's gonna sneak up on Mad Dog!
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    • Author by mari2jj2970 (June 26, 2008 12:12 am ET)
         
      Can anyone explain to me why we give any credence to this guy who allowed his prostitute paramour to listen in to a security sensitive phone call.  The guy has no repect for his country, he was terrible to his wife and so, who needs some creep like that telling all of us hwo to bahave.  When he cleans up his own act and apologizes to the country, I might, well will, really I WILL pay atterntion to what he says.  Till them I would be very happy if he would just shut his mouth.
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