Monica Crowley forwarded smear that Obama has lied about his ethnicity
SUMMARY: On The Laura Ingraham Show, guest host Monica Crowley stated that "according to this genealogy -- and again, because I haven't done the research, I can't verify this -- but according to this guy Kenneth Lamb, Barack Obama is not black African, he is Arab African." Crowley continued: "And yet, this guy is campaigning as black and painting anybody who dares to criticize him as a racist. I mean, that is -- it is the biggest con I think I've ever seen."
Guest-hosting the June 23 broadcast of The Laura Ingraham Show, Fox News contributor Monica Crowley forwarded a smear that Sen. Barack Obama has lied about his ethnicity. A caller to the show claimed that Obama is "not really African-American. He's Arab. Forty-three percent Arab, 6 percent African negro, and half white. And that is the biggest fraud being perpetrated on us all." In response, Crowley said that "according to this genealogy -- and again, because I haven't done the research, I can't verify this -- but according to this guy Kenneth Lamb, Barack Obama is not black African, he is Arab African." Crowley continued: "And yet, this guy is campaigning as black and painting anybody who dares to criticize him as a racist. I mean, that is -- it is the biggest con I think I've ever seen."
In a February 14 blog entry, "journalist, op-ed columnist, radio news-interview program host" Kenneth E. Lamb claimed -- without producing any evidence -- that "Sen. Obama is actually Arab-American" and that "Mr. Obama is not legally African-American." Lamb said that his "research was initiated by a request from a daily news publication of international reputation in New York City" and later referred to "a News Corp. publication." Lamb also accused Obama of lying in the post, writing, "For Sen. Obama, telling the truth means he will give up all the accolades about being the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review, an accolade that relies on a sleight-of-hand in job titling that changed the name of the top job from Editor to President."
In his February 14 entry, Lamb did not claim that he traveled to Kenya, nor that that he had "looked at all of the government records." Rather, he invited readers seeking "proof" of his claims to "[r]esearch the Kenyan records for yourself," adding: "You will find that his father was officially classified as 'Arab African' by the Kenyan government."
In a February 17 entry, Lamb wrote: "From a couple of the comments I just received, I can see where this is headed concerning wanting the root research I used for my post about Sen. Barack Obama's ethnic composition." He did not provide the "root research." Instead, he wrote: "I feel what follows is as straight-forward as I can be about this; if anyone disagrees, post a $US1-million indemnification bond for me to use when I get sued for going beyond my rights under standard research contracting agreements by giving away proprietary information that isn't mine to give away." Lamb added: "So here is where it is: I've drawn the map -- to the detail I feel comfortable is going to keep me out of court. Beyond that, it is up to people way up the food chain from me to assign their resources, put them on a plane to Kenya, dig up what they need in the capital, then contract for service to the tribal homeland in western Kenya along Lake Victoria, and then report what they find."
In a February 18 entry, Lamb claimed that there "is no better proof" of his allegations about Obama's ethnicity "than a DNA test," encouraged his readers to surreptitiously obtain samples of Obama's DNA, and even offered potential methods of collection:
I'm thinking that the most vulnerable time for Mr. Obama will be when he makes local talk radio and TV appearances.
It's not hard to imagine a resourceful soul getting what the DNA analysts need: "Here you are, Sen. Obama, have a glass of water, and here's a kerchief to wipe your brow to keep the sweat from rolling down your face ... and I'll be happy to dispose of the glass and kerchief when you're finished."
Of course, now that I've laid out the scenario, it will be interesting to see what his traveling campaign staff does to keep anyone from doing what I just described. I'm not so unaware of the early timeline nature of this ethnic composition problem; right now, I seriously doubt anyone at that level of his campaign knows anything about this fermenting in the blogs.
What that means to our resourceful soul is that there is no better time than now to get a sample. Once his staff gets wind of this, they will lock out everyone else from getting anything that can be tested.
But the irony of it all is that by turning themselves into a cross of Mr. Clean, and Rosie "The Quicker Picker Upper," picking up anything he breathed upon and spraying Lysol on everything he touches, they will actually be telling us all that they know that what we want to prove is the truth.
The bizarre picture of his staff behaving that way will just turn up the heat for someone to get through their lines. I can see some first-tier journalist telling the senator's press secretary, "I just want this dinner napkin to take home to my kids as a souvenir."
Now that will be funny.
If you have the ability to get something that can be analyzed, please do so at your first opportunity. It really does matter. You will be doing a tremendous "good deed" for America, and the world.
Be sure to establish a "chain of custody" from his body to the lab. You know Sen. Obama will lie about everything having to do with getting to the truth about him.
Crowley, who is also a regular panelist on The McLaughlin Group, is a frequent Fox News contributor, appearing on the network as recently as June 17 on The O'Reilly Factor. As Media Matters for America documented, Crowley falsely claimed on the June 19 broadcast of The Laura Ingraham Show that Malik Obama, Sen. Barack Obama's half brother, "went on the record to The Jerusalem Post, of all places, and said, 'Oh yeah, Obama's got a really solid Muslim background.' "
From the June 23 broadcast of Talk Radio Network's The Laura Ingraham Show:
[begin audio clip]
OBAMA: I think it is fair to say that both Michelle and I grew up in much less privileged circumstances than either of my two other potential opponents.
UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: But they're not the ones being called elitist. Why do you think that is?
OBAMA: [unintelligible] Well, I -- and I think -- look, let's be honest. You know, here I am, a African-American named Barack Obama -- right? -- who's running for president. I mean, that's a leap for folks.
[end audio clip]
CROWLEY: [laughs] I am Monica Crowley, in for Laura Ingraham. 800-876-4123. MonicaMemo.com. Well, Barack Hussein Obama can certainly go from being a Black Panther to a Norman Rockwell painting in the blink of an eye, can't he? Last week, he was all about Kansas. This week, he is all about Jeremiah Wright.
All right, let's hit the phones straight away. 800-876-4123. And say hello to Tim listening on News Talk 710 in Denver. Hiya, Tim.
CALLER: Hi, Monica. You know, the deception of who Obama is goes right down to his three names. I never even -- it never even dawned onto me until I started thinking about it. Barack Hussein Obama. Now, why would somebody born in Hawaii be named those three names? The fact is, he's not really African-American. He's Arab. Forty-three percent Arab, 6 percent African negro, and half white. And that is the biggest fraud being perpetrated on us all, is --
CROWLEY: You know, Tim. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. Finish your thought.
CALLER: Well, it's just proof the media is in the tank for this guy.
CROWLEY: You know, I -- it is so interesting that you called, Tim, because a couple of weeks ago, I read that genealogy that you're referring to, and I have no idea, because I haven't done the research myself or really looked into it, but I know what you're talking about. It was a guy, Kenneth Lamb, who went to Africa, actually, he went to Kenya, he looked at all of the government records, and he is claiming -- and the percentages you put out there is what he is claiming -- that Barack Obama -- you know, if you're born Christian in Africa, you're given a Christian name. If you're born Arab in Africa, and there are a lot of Arab Africans, you're given an Arab name. Hence, Barack Hussein Obama.
Now, he was not born in Africa, but the father was from Kenya, the father was from Africa. And according to this genealogy -- and again, because I haven't done the research, I can't verify this -- but according to this guy Kenneth Lamb, Barack Obama is not black African, he is Arab African. And yet, this guy is campaigning as black and painting anybody who dares to criticize him as a racist. I mean, that is -- it is the biggest con I think I've ever seen.
but according to this guy Kenneth Lamb, Barack Obama is not black African, he is Arab African.
What? How the hell do you get to determine who someone else is? Kenneth Lamb doesn't know Obama to tell him what his identity is. It's so fake to me. These same people have no issue with Tiger Woods not claiming or partially claiming his African heritage. It's all about likability.
Tiger Woods isn't running to represent people in the highest seat in the land. So that was a pretty ineffective argument.
I'll agree that the context is "politically incorrect" & misleading though.
The fact is that stories on tiger woods identify him as an african american due to his skin color, not his heritage.
The fact is that the politically correct racial terms aren't even technically correct. The majority of african americans were not born in africa, nor were their parents or grandparents. There are americans, plain and simple, with african heritage. I am an american of irish and italian heritage. Im not an irish-italian-american.
Barack Obama is an American with Kenyan and American heritage, and slight arab/muslim heritage ties.
Doesn't mean anything is wrong with his past. But people who cry for political correctness also do not consider the fact that political correct words often times are not even correct with the given circumstances.
Look buddy I mean no disrespect, but you are Italian and Irish I think is what you said. Anyway, Barack grew up as a black man in America. I promise you your experience being pulled over by the police and my experience are worlds apart. That's what a lot of whites don't seem to accept. As a black man you are treated differently in certain areas of American life regardless of your station in life. No it's not like the 60's and previous centuries, but there is still a discrepancy. So I hear what you're saying about heritage, but its irrelevant. Barack grew up as a black man in America. If he wants to identify as an African American, what right does some geneologist who doesn't know him have to state who he should identify as? Get a grip.
Your personal life experiences do not take away from your true heritage, no matter how much you would like them to. Being involved in the "suffering of the black man in america" has no bearing on what your heritage is, and where your past comes from. Don't use that as excuse to be able to hide your background, and coin acceptance for what you want to be called.
Barack Obamas cultural heritage is what it is, and theres nothing to be ashamed of. I dont care if he wants to be referred to as black, orange, purple...hell, he can refer to himself as Elmo for all I care. But the fact is his family history is what it is. He is an American.
We can pick out friends, but not our family.
Quoting the words of black talk radio host and CNN Analyst Roland S. Martin http://www,rolandsmartin.com http://www.wvon.com Monica Crawley is a little ball of hate.
Or as I say, a little ball of racist hate hag.
And Monica, I considered you to be a right wing racist BEFORE you repeated this latest lie about Obama.
Here's your answer, sue!
I just "right click" and copy to make my right wing talking points. But I guess the "copy" in the tool bar works, too.
Look out, white people !!!!
Snoopy, how are you able to post those images in your thread?
The post was also 1000% on the mark, for the record.
I'm only asking because I haven't attempted to copy and paste any images here, that's all.
Not so far, anyway.
I know, sue! I figured someone had to answer for succubus er, columbus, er, histybuff, er, scientology101...
I like you too. Good stuff!
Uh -- Obama's father was a native of and citizen of Kenya. I am no cartographer, but I believe Kenya is on the African continent. Obama's mother was an American citizen. So -- Obama really is an African-American, Would you have a problem with Giuliani referring to himself as an Italian-American? He was born in America, not Italy.
"All ah knows is 'at he ain't from these-here parts! Kenya, Arabia, what's the diff'rence? He don't look lahk nobody ah knows, so he must be one of them-thur MOO-zlims!"--typical McCain voter
They and their apologists can kiss my ass for what they are doing to our country.
That's right, Science, it's a question of political correctness, not flat out racism. Uh-huh. You don't find anything at all disturbing about the notion of identity and cultural heritage being measured in blood quanta? What -- Obama can't identify as African American unless he's at least an octoroon?
This has nothing to do with political correctness. It's disgusting, 19th century style race politics.
If you think that Obama's ethinc background is brought up for any legitimate reason you are, at best, naive.
Cries of racisim are not always accurate, true. But, again, if you think that Obama's ethnic background is brought up for any legitimate reason, you are, at best naive. Vick has nothing to do with this.
The Vick example has everything to do with the direct post I was replying to.
But of course they are bringing up obama's color & heritage as negative. No one is going to literally argue against that. Its a political talking point for an agenda, but it doesnt mean that the people saying this for political gain are really racist. Some sure are, but many do because of party ties and money.
You just answered my question, as I knew you would.
Thank you.
I asked you a simple question. It touched a nerve, obviously, you attacked appropriately and answered it exactly how I knew you would.
Have a nice day.
"Anytime he asks a question like that, he already has an answer in mind that he wants to force on you"
I force answers on you? I asked a simple question and you nervously attacked instead of answering.
I force answers on you?
Let me clarify: You attempt to force answers on everyone. Anyone can go back and read the Dick Morris/"sleeper agent" thread from Tuesday to see you do it a dozen times over. And when you didn't get what you wanted, you repeatedly accused everyone of not answering your question...ad nauseum. You're a fool if you think people can't see this. Give it up. You're just trolling now.
"You clearly have some major hang-ups about race"......"petty and irrelevant questions about race"......."he's poised with some Hannityesque gotcha"......."You're a fool if you think people can't see this"
One simple question has you this flustered that you resort to such attacks? Your reaction reveals more about you with every post.
Thank you again, and enjoy your day.
One simple question for Tommy (I'm sure I've asked him this before):
Have you stopped beating your wife?
Oh my, yes Tommy, you have me so nervous and flustered, I just don't know what to do. I'm feeling so...so awed, and a bit flushed, in the presence of someone with such insight and intelligence. Your piercing and probing questions have me quivering like a little flower. I'm so confused by these thoughts and feelings, Tommy. Please explain it all to me. Come on, just keep whispering in my ear and tell me what I'm thinking. You seem to know my deepest innermost thoughts and feelings. It's like you see right into my soul.
Eww.....I don't care to get that close, thank you.
But I give you credit for attempting a different, slightly cuter response - doesn't fool me, but hey, you tried.
"Anytime he asks a question like that, he already has an answer in mind that he wants to force on you"
I force answers on you?
I asked a simple question and you nervously attacked instead of answering.
I force answers on you?"
You TRY to force answers on people, Tommy, but in my case, you FAILED BIG TIME.
Now, Tommy, here are MY race question for you:
1. Do you think that the 1964 Civil Rights Act should be repealed, as both Hate Hag Racist Republican Monica Crawley and Liar McCain favor the repeal of the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
2. Do you think that the Supreme Court should reinstate or rebuild the 1896 Plessy vs. Fergusen Decision that legalized racial segregation in public accomodations, as both the pro-segregation Racist Republican Monica Creepy Crawley and the pro-segregation Racist Republican John McCain favor the reinstatement of Plessy vs. Fergusen?
Gee, can you prove that McCain is for racial segregation in public accommodations?
Your answers;
1) No.
2) No.
"Gee, can you prove that McCain is for racial segregation in public accommodations?"
Now, before I clicked the wrong button,...
I don't have hard proof of Liar McCain advocating racial segregation in public accomodations, HOWEVER...
Strict constructionist conservatives are staunch OPPONENTS of both civil rights laws AND strict constructionist conservatives are staunch advocates of reinstating or rebuilding the Plessy decision.
Liar McCain's call for appointing strict constructionists to the federal bench and the Supreme Court is not by itself proof that McCain wants to see segregation brought back, but it does serve as an indicting individual sign against McCain and the view that McCain may be anti-civil rights.
According to African-Americans in the state of Arizona, and the Arizona area civil rights chapters [NAACP, National urban League], and the African-American Professional Organization Chapters in Arizona [National Association of Black Journalists, National Bar Association, National Black MBA Association, etc.] McCain is INVISIBLE or NEAR invisible in the African-American Community in Arizona, and near invisible on issues of concern to African-Americans.
"So your biggest fear in a McCain presidency is that this country will return to the days of forced racial segregation in public accommodations? You're serious?"
That's ONE of them, but since you mentioned the return of of racial segregation, we'll talk about THIS one.
Presently, we have 4 anti-civil rights/pro-segregation/pro-Plessy justices on the Supreme Court (Roberts, Alito, Scalia, Thomas). The dis-likes of Scalia, Alito, and Thomas all favor the overturning of Brown v. Board/the reinstating or rebuilding of Plessy vs. Fergusen. Thomas is MORE pro-Plessy than all 3 of them, including Scalia.
As I stated earlier, strict constructionists have historically opposed the civil rights laws and the late William Rehnquist once wrote a legal opinion saying that Plessy should be re-affirmed as law. Since McCain's strict constructionist conservative judges would likely favor segregation in public accomodations in addition to opposing affirmative action and oppose voting rights laws, it is NOT illogical or irrational to believe that these same sorts of judges also favor reinstating racial segregation in public accomodations, and also favor the reinstatement or rebuilding of the pro-segregation Plessy vs. Fergusen decision.
Saying that McCain favors segregation simply because he voted against the MLK Holiday by itself is far too simple, so I won't say that.
HOWEVER, last week, McCain rejected an invitation to appear at the convention of the National Newspaper Publishers Association, an organization of 200+ African-American Newspapers, read by 15 Million+ African-Americans. Could one possible reason for that be that he knew that his likely pro-segregation strict constructionist judge selections would play very negatively to the African-American News Media?
Another sub-point: why is McCain continuing the Republican Tradition of refusing to do interviews with the African-American News Media?
If you honestly think we would ever overturn Brown vs. the B/Education, then you are smokin' some delusional weed.......it is flat out insanity. Peddle your theories to someone else, as I said.
This is ridiculous.
"Can you provide one example, from here or otherwise, where race baiting or false cries of racism has occurred?"
3 examples of flase cries of racism, all three in the opinions of black talk radio, which the dis-likes of Science -101 and Columbus and Wesley and other right wing cons will dismiss, as they will call black talk radio a racist forum that bashes white people and bashes black conservatives.
1. Anti-black Negro Conservative Clarence Thomas played his hypocritical race card 17 years ago when he claimed to be the victim of a hi-tech lynching, and Thomas was deservedly barbecued on black talk radio for it, back then, and right now. Fast forward to 10 years later, Thomas appeared before a mostly white conservative foundation audience and Thomas played the race card, claiming to be the "victim" of racial attacks from the African-American News Media, from Black Talk Radio, and from Black Professional Organizations [National Association of Black Journalists, National Bar Association, National Black MBA Association, etc.]
2. Anti-Black Negro Conservative Racist Ward "Con Man" Connerly played the race card when he complained that placing one of his race-scamming books in the African-American authors section was racially discriminatory.
3. Anti-Black Negro Conservative Racist Alan Keyes, when he was one of the 1996 Republican Presidential Candidates, was excluded from a television debate during the 1996 Georgia Republican Primary, and Keyes played the race card by claiming he was excluded from the debate because he was black.
"Gee, All the "Anti-Black Negro Conservatives" you mention are, conservatives?"
Using one example: Ward "Con Man" Connerly has openly sought out political alliances with the KKK and the Militias and other right wing racist white supremacist groups, according to African-American Commentator David A. Love http://www.davidalove.blogspot.com and to black talk radio host Warren Ballantine http://www.thetruthfighters.com on seperate occasions. That sounds like anti-black actions when a black conservative is courting alliances with the KKK and/or other right wing white suprermacist groups, as Connerly was doing. I'll address the second half of your comments later.
Let's also note that you focused on my use of the word "anti-black Negro conservatives" because you were 1000% unable to dispute the accuracy of the answers to your question.
You asked for my opinion, I gave it to you - despite your insane accusations where McCain is concerned, you have no proof and I am supposed to accept your paranoid theories, sell 'em somewhere else.
"You asked for my opinion, I gave it to you - despite your insane accusations where McCain is concerned, you have no proof and I am supposed to accept your paranoid theories, sell 'em somewhere else."
I don't have any proof YET...I am actually giving Liar McCain a MINISCULE benefit of the doubt on this issue. MINISCULE, that is.
I am not paranoid, I am just conscious of history from ALL sources. But even if I was paranoid, the old phrase still rings true, even paranoids have enemies.
Your enemy is yourself, with all due respect. Why don't you concentrate on real issues that affect all Americans instead of championing such lunacy that hasn't a snowball's chance in hell of ever happening.
Science, it seems that you and other conservatives decide that talking about the race problem adds to racism. According to you, the civil rights groups, the black media, black talk radio, and black professional organizations are all causing racism by talking about it. You would seek to have black talk radio hosts Joe Madison and Beverly Smith gagged because they honestly talk about racism and accountablilty for it, while you laud the self-hating anti-black Negro apologist conservatives like Larry "i Hate Black People" Elder and Rashonda "I Hate Black People" Barber because they appease conservatives like yourself by defending racism.
Black talk radio didn't create glass ceilings or whites only lunch counters, black professional organizations didn't set up The Good Ol' Boys Network that gives employment and banking and other preferences to rich white males at the expense of all others, poor and middle class whites included, and the majority of the time.
Come now, yesterday all the posts you posted said "Columbus" now they say "Science"
It's not that hard to figure out.
A douchebag kid who tries to compensate for his protracted state of virginity by fantasizing about meeting semi-famous people, and trying to package his worn-out racism as rational thought, and using vintage pretentious phrases like "stuff & nonsense*".
*"stuff & nonsense" was where you blew it. Without that, you could have been any number of old wingnuts, or a brand new one.
Oh, so now your sockpuppetry is justified?
If you were flagged and banned I'm sure it was deserved, and it will likely continue as long as you continue to say troll-y things.
Actually, I think everyone is missing the real point of this. It's not about race and his connections to African Americans so much as it to connecting him again to the Mideast. (Madrassa schooling, and his name were the first attempts) They are still passing around email variations of the Madrassa school stories
It's not much different from Freddoso's Obama book being released. It's just more fodder for the ignorant and mis-guided, so they can send out mass emails saying; "Oh look, more proof of Obama's ties to the Muslims and the Middleast...how safe can we be if he is one of them?"
The right wing smear machine can't afford to let stories like that die down, so here we go with a new story: proof of him hiding, or lying about his true background.
In this case, the story leans more to Obama being guilty of hiding his background, but they are leave it up to the listeners to connect their own set of dots: Madrassa schooling + scary middle name + hiding his true Mideastern background = a serious threat to our national security if Obama is president.
In the Amazon book review of the Freddoso book on Obama: it says in part : "....Freddoso exposes the real Barack Obama: a typical big-government politician, the #1 most liberal U.S. senator, and--if he were commander in chief--a serious threat to our national security........"
A serious threat to our national security is what they will be driving home. This is just the beginning I imagine.
Right, this is the issue here. But here's what I'm failing to get:
Crowley: If you're born Arab in Africa, and there are a lot of Arab Africans, you're given an Arab name. Hence, Barack Hussein Obama.
How was Barack Obama, Sr. born Arab?
No, no it's not. IS Kenya part of the Arabian peninsula? Do I really need to post a map?
"Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest/(For Brutus is an honorable man,/So are they all, all honorable men)/Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral."
See above to remember how even a "good" term (like 'honorable') can be turned into a devil-term just by how you say it...
"No, because she didnt say anything negative about his heritage, nor did she lie about it."
Monica Creepy Crawley did both. Not only did she deliberately and maliciously say several negative things about his heritage, she LIED, since it's a FACT that Kenya is NOT in the Arab Region. I've seen enough maps of BOTH the Arab Region AND the African Continent to know BOTH of these facts.
Monica Creepy Crawley is a liar, among other negative things.
politically incorrect slander
...also known as racism.
thank you mr. know-it-all!
"Don't yell racist around every corner. This was nothing more than politically incorrect slander, not racism."
This was BOTH, in my opinion. The lying right's protests about political correctness are really front protests for the right wing's ongoing defense of white racism and white supremacy.
Speaking for myself, I considered Monica Creepy Crawley to be a right wing racist BEFORE she said this. She could have said nothing about Obama at all, and I would consider her not only to be a racist, but also a white supremacist as well.
Also, Science -101, if Monica Creepy Crawley's comments were allegedly not racist, as you say and as Creepy Crawley herself will say and whine, then I challenge Monica Creepy Crawley to appear on any black talk radio station in America, whether it's The Roland S. Martin Show on WVON-AM 1690 http://www.wvon.com, or on Radio One's XM 169/THE POWER either on "The Black Eagle" Joe Madison's show http://www.joemadison.com or on The Warren Ballantine show http://www.thetruthfighters.com and repeat her comments word for word or close to it, and I also challenge you to ask her to go on a black talk radio station and repeat her comments word for word, since you say they weren't racist. Or is Monica Creepy Crawley afraid to repate her racist anti-black white supremacist comments outside of right wing racist white supremacist conservative talk radio forums?
Nah, it is nothing but an unsubstantiated lie. However, it will not change the subject away from the McCain imploding campaign and Obama's articulate, patriotic, correctly sourced campaign
And if you imply someone cannot be president because they are too old/young, that's age discrimination.
Wrong. Race has nothing to do with a person's abilities. Age does.
MAAAAAAATTTLLOOOOCCCCKKKK !!!!!!!!
And if you imply someone cannot be president because they are too old/young, that's age discrimination
Be sure to let us know when that happens, mmkay?
I've read a lot of comments (and made a few myself) poking fun at McCain because he's old. But you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who has actually says he "cannot be president" because of it.
Why is there straw all over the floor?
And if you imply someone cannot be president because they are too old/young, that's age discrimination
I will bravely state that I think Malia Obama is too young to be president.
Legally speaking, yes.
But I'd wager she knows more about any number of important issues than McCain does.
"And if you imply someone cannot be president because they are too old/young, that's age discrimination"
Funny, cuz that's a law. You can't be 34 and run for President, because you're too young.
So are you saying that the U.S. Constitution discriminates on the basis of age? The minimum age for a candidate for President is 35...
You're an idiot.
This Lamb guy sure creates an incredible case. Paraphrase:
"I've made this charge that I can't support and now it should be up to somebody else to go gather the evidence to suppor that charge."
"Somebody should get a DNA sample from Obama. Now that I've said that I predict that his staff will work hard to make that difficult. Now that I've said THAT his staff won't make that effort because it would be too obvious. So, obviously, since his staff won't be protecting his DNA it shows they are scared of what could be discovered."
Yeah, that all makes perfect sense.
This is possibly the wingnuttiest thing I've seen in my life.
A caller to the show claimed that Obama is "not really African-American. He's Arab. Forty-three percent Arab, 6 percent African negro, and half white. And that is the biggest fraud being perpetrated on us all."
Even putting aside that unexplained 1% that could be space alien or goblin, what is the implied motive here? Obama is playing the race card by pretending to be black, when in reality he's a member of America's most beloved/ least maligned ethnic group, Arabs? WTF-itty-F? Who is the target audience for this stuff?
Hypothetical scenario that would help this to make sense;
Bubba: Yo, Zeke. See that swarthy feller over yon? Ah thank he's a peepin at yer Molly-Sue
Ezekiel: Whah that dirty..! Hold on a sec, Bubba. If'n Ah ain't mistaken,he looks lahk he's 43% Ay-rab.
Bubba: Ah stans kee-reckted, Zeke. Let's go buy him a cold one.
how can you be 6% anything? I mean, it's possible I guess, but you'd have to go back like 10-12 generations and have one parent on your mother's side who's 1/32 something and another parent on your father's side who's 1/32 the same thing and somehow if you mix and match that you could conceivably get 6%.
Same thing for 43%.
DB, evidently somebody's really been hitting the books in researching this unverifiable stuff.
I think when you have an audience that's as stoopid as I'd have to assume Crowley's is, there's no worry that they're going to catch stuff like that. In fact, I'll bet "43%" works a lot better than saying "half" to the trogs. "43%?? that sounds official, like they had to do some cipherin'"
He's related to Cheney, does that make him an @sshole?
"And yet, this guy is campaigning as black and painting anybody who dares to criticize him as a racist"
It's impossible to "paint... as a racist" anybody who "dares" to criticize Sen. Obama, unless that person has said something about race color heritage, in their criticism...
As this crowley person has done.
This must be obvious... it's almost embarrassing to have to explain it to an adult: to refrain from unnecessarily invoking the race color heritage of another person, is to be completely immune to the charge, that you have said something racist about them.
Why is it necessary at this stage of the process, to continually invoke the race color heritage of either of the candidates? It is not: we know already: it's not news: you're not telling us anything we don't already know: we're not being informed, we're not being amused, we don't need to hear it... so why do it?
Again, were someone to criticize any candidate, how could it ever be called racist, if that criticism never included any mention in it, of anyone's race color heritage?
It could not.
Please cease and desist unnecessarily invoking either of the candidate's race color or heritage... it looks to much like racism: it invites the charge of racism, unnecessarily so.
"this guy [Obama] is campaigning as black"
How ridiculous. Is this what the smear traffickers are up to now? Pathetic, just pathetic. If they had one shred of satisfaction with McCain perhaps they would be touting why people should vote for him, instead of digging deep into their barrel for any scummy residue they can find.
Indeed.
The entire basis for such an avenue of argument, the alpha and omega of it, is that Obama is not entirely white. That's what drives these people up the wall. Period.
No amount of pseudo-intellectualizing about percentages of heritage is going to take away from the fact that these wingnuts hate him simply because he is "other".
I am not so convinced of that, some might, some might not. I think more of what drives them is their fear of Obama. So far, he is proving to be a formidable candidate, an inspirer, a force to be reckoned with, and quite threatening to those who make their living off of divisive, personal and partisan rhetoric. They thought they had the Bush/Rove steamroller in their pockets and that would propel them to electoral victory for some time, keeping them relevant and at the forefront of the political us vs. them mentality.
They were hoping for Hillary, even if she won they would have a field day with more Clintonian politics at their disposal, delicious stuff. But they are now facing Barack Obama, and I think irrespective of his race, they are not too pleased with the unknown ramifications that his presidency may bring.......they may end up in the screecher trash bin or something.
I am not so convinced of that, some might, some might not. I think more of what drives them is their fear of Obama. So far, he is proving to be a formidable candidate, an inspirer, a force to be reckoned with,
Did tommy really write this passage? I'm impressed.
They are scared not only because he might win but even worse he might be succesfull in office. Current authoritarian neocon thinking is that the next administation needs to be a failure, so they can return to power. They presume Hillary would fail (and try hard to make it happen). They secretly hope McCain's moderate tendencies would not lead to much success. The nightmare scenario is president Obama, popular and effective.
+1 for Tommy.
That was damn insightful. The punditainers are worried about their jobs when Obama takes the oath of office. And that's got to be at least part of the reason why they're attacking him so ferociously yet ineffectually.
I liken it to all the hubbub surrounding Geraldo Rivera and the "Al Capone's vault" thing back in the day. Remember that?
It was all about how HUGE a find this was and what a big deal it's going to be, and how revealing it's going to be. Then they open it and find...nothing.
And it drives them crazy.
"Forty-three percent Arab, 6 percent African negro, and half white."
Wow, it's already come down to this, has it? It's no different than the one drop rule.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
"Somebody should get a DNA sample from Obama. . ."
And this assclown states Obama paints anyone who criticizes him a racist. Do they hear themselves when they talk? When has a potential president's geneology ever been an issue before? I challenge someone. Please find me a link where I can see a reporter or someone questioning the geneology of a presidential candidate. They are making an issue out of race and calling the kettle, well, black!! Yet, they are so sensitive when they are rightfully called what they are. Racist. Fox News is a seriously scary medium. They are aggressively promoting the use of propaganda, which is a cancer in a democracy. The hypocrisy is astounding.
"Yeah, there's a lot of that going around lately. Witness Science101's repeated attempts to redefine racism as "politically incorrect slander.""
It's more like Science Fiction -101's attempt to defend racism and white supremacy as honored American traditions. Science Fiction -101 is not only racist himself, much the same as Monica Creepy Crawley is a racist herself, they and others like them are culturally conditioned to see white people as superior and to see African-Americans and other persons other than white European Anglo-Saxons as inferior. The manifestation of this comes out in the manifestation of racism and white supremacy that both Science and Crawley and other right wing conservative racists share.
"Somebody should get a DNA sample from Obama. . ."
And this assclown states Obama paints anyone who criticizes him a racist. Do they hear themselves when they talk? When has a potential president's geneology ever been an issue before? I challenge someone. Please find me a link where I can see a reporter or someone questioning the geneology of a presidential candidate. They are making an issue out of race and calling the kettle, well, black!! Yet, they are so sensitive when they are rightfully called what they are. Racist. Fox News is a seriously scary medium. They are aggressively promoting the use of propaganda, which is a cancer in a democracy. The hypocrisy is astounding.
Astouding, yes. Surprising, no.
Obama doesn't have to paint Creepy Crawley, Lamb, or any other right wing conservative as a racist, they're painting themselves as racists just fine every time they open their white supremacist mouths.
Nobody's making these foul-mouthed racist white supremacist conservatives bring up Obama's race evry 5 seconds, they're CHOOSING to do that.
Actually, they have. Warren G. Harding was accused of something not-dissimiliar to what Obama is going through now - he was accused of having a black grandmother. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/06/magazine/06wwln-essay-t.html
Though I do agree with you, I just thought I'd answer that challenge with the the most historically relevant example.
And according to this genealogy -- and again, because I haven't done the research, I can't verify this -- but according to this guy Kenneth Lamb, Barack Obama is not black African, he is Arab African
Then verify it, you idiot. The right-wing noise machine in action. Take an ubstantiated lie, repeat said lie, and then make a false conclusion "biggest con I've ever seen" based on original lie.
Crowley is nothing but a prostitute. She tones down her rhetoric on McLaughlin and then lets the fur fly on Ingraham's show.
Tiger Woods isn't running to represent people in the highest seat in the land. So that was a pretty ineffective argument.
Someone's ethnic heritage is completely irrelevant when it comes to playing golf AND running for President. It's a valid argument.
It's a valid argument. -Carn
You've been around here to know better, Carn.It's not a valid argument to a con-crete thinking wingnut.Analogies are only accepted when comparing one thing to something that is exactly identical to that thing.Itself.Making analogies completely useless with cons.
It took me a while to figure that out.
The fact is that the politically correct racial terms aren't even technically correct. The majority of african americans were not born in africa, nor were their parents or grandparents. There are americans, plain and simple, with african heritage. I am an american of irish and italian heritage. Im not an irish-italian-american.
The term African-American was never meant to be an accurate description of someone's heritage. It originated out of the uniqure historical circumstances of blacks in America and the effects of diaspora. Your Irish-Italian heritage example is a false equivalence that can't apply here.
The science guy is no scientist. He/she is an idiot and when I figured out as much I left him/her alone. People are entitled to their opinions no matter how barbaric and idiotic they are. I maintain geneology has never been an issue before in a presidential race. Here comes B-a-lack Obama and all of a sudden the most asinine things are being questioned. And they have the nerve to say he's playing the race card. We'll see in Novemeber if most Americans bought into this crap.
What's it going to take before people come to accept that race is a construct of human imagination? Genetically, the differences are almost non-existent. If you were to take two non-related people of European descent and another of African and compare their DNA's, there's a strong likelihood that either of the Europeans would be a closer match to the African than they are to each other.
Labeling people by race makes no more sense than labeling them by height, hair color, size of ear lobe or blood type. Though I'll be damned if I'd let my daughter marry an AB+.
Great point Bill, and it reinforces a point that Kromecom made earlier today that got lost in the "science" troll posts and replies.
Arab is an ethnicity. Just like white people might be Irish or French or German or Italian.
Barack's father was black. Saying that he was an ethnic Arab means nothing as far as his color is concerned. It means everything if you're trying to tar him with the Muslims-are-terrorists brush though.
Lamb is living proof that Cheney screwed around:
Cheney
Oh yeah. you just said it,
"...because I haven't done the research here, I can't verify this."
"And why are you talking about this, Monica Crowley from Fox News, and making it into an issue?
Oh yeah. you just said it,"
"...because I haven't done the research here, I can't verify this."
Not that such a thing is a negative at the GOP-Fox Lies Channel. Not doing the research is likely an unwritten reqiurement at the Fox Lies Channel.
I can't verify it but a cousin of a friend of my neighbor heard it from the waiter at the local diner that McCain is very old and is actually Arab-European...and was once seen standing in front of the Scientology building in Clearwater.
Has anyone else heard this? I'm afraid that this can only mean that the US will get blowed up by the OSU-USC game. Get insurance on those tickets.
You've been around here to know better, Carn.It's not a valid argument to a con-crete thinking wingnut
Forgive me for being so naive. It's a real headache trying to argue with people who can't understand nuance or ambiguity. I've had a similar experience when talking to someone about why most blacks support Obama.
They claimed it was only because he was black and I said race was a factor among other things: Obama would not have the same support if he was a Repub, and the differences between Hillary and Obama are not that substantial to begin with.
They then said that race shouldn't be a factor at all in selecting a President. I agreed that colorblindness was a worthy ideal, but because of 'past circumstances', that isn't the case. Blacks are an underrepresented minority when it comes to politics. Of course many of them have a strong desire to see someone like Barack become President. However it's not at the expense of ideas or because they think 'whitey' is inherently inferior.
They then went on and ranted how it was a double standard (no sh**, but it's justifiable) and that it's the same as whites voting for McCain because of his skin color. I asked what would be the motivation for them other than that they distrust non-whites or want to maintain the status quo.
I believe I had the same argument with science, too. =\
It's amazing how frequently that "double standard" false equivalence argument pops up. I think it begins with sheer ignorance, because it's a position that requires one to completely ignore history. But at some point, the wingnut is made aware of history and its significance, so then their adherence to their moronic "replace-black-with-white-and-then-what-would-you-say" argument becomes something more insidious than simple ignorance.
Oh dear have we gone back to the days where people were categorized as mulattos, quadroons, octoroons , quintroons etc. Back when things like that mattered? And who gets to decide someone's racial purity or composition anyway? Some guy named Kenneth Lamb? I wonder what his racial composition is, and if he can prove it.
Stuff like this boggles the mind, and that there are people that really care about this, really boggles the mind. Yikes!
It's clear that BOTH Lamb and Creepy Crawley are seeking to solidify their memberships in the racist white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens, or the Aryan Nations, or American Renaissance, or the Pioneer Fund, or whatever right wing racist white supremacist group that either one or both of these bigots belong to.
As I said before, I challenge racist hate hag Crawley to appear as a guest on any black talk radio show on a black talk radio station and repeat this racist white supremacist drivel. Afterwards, she can go on another right wing racist hate fest about how she was the "victim" of reverse racist attacks when she appeared on angry black hate radio, or some other racist white supremacist b.s. along those lines.
ColorofChange.org http://www.colorofchange.org has now added on to their already existing campaign against the past and present racist actions of racist white supremacist hate hag Crawley and the racist white supremacist Fox Lies Channel. This is also being waged by the audience of black talk radio host Ambrose I. Lane Senior, host of "We Ourselves" http://www.weourselves.org
Methinks that African-Americans will begin to lock the Fox Lies Channel out of their cable boxes and/or satellite boxes immediately.
This whole argument is sad. Who cares if his ancestary is Arab African or Black African or Yellow African or Green African? I care about ending the war in Iraq, about turning the economy around, about solving climate change, about fixing our healthcare system, about poverty, about unemployment, about skyrocketing oil prices, about restoring our Constitution, about lowing the national debt, about getting Osama Bin Ladin, about restoring the image of the United States around the world, about politicizing the justice system, about the future of the Supreme Court, and about anything else besides a person's ethnicity. It doesn't matter, unless you are a racist or an idiot.