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Purporting to cite Obama's "arrogance," Rove misrepresented Obama's comments in latest WSJ column

June 26, 2008 5:28 pm ET

SUMMARY: In a Wall Street Journal column, Karl Rove wrote, "After Rev. [Jeremiah] Wright repeated his anti-American slurs at the National Press Club, Mr. Obama said their relationship was forever changed -- but not because of what he'd said about America. Instead, Mr. Obama complained, 'I don't think he showed much concern for me.' " However, Rove cropped Obama's quote, excluding his next statement: "[M]ore importantly, I don't think he showed much concern for what we are trying to do in this campaign and what we're trying to do for the American people and with the American people."

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In a June 26 Wall Street Journal column headlined "It's All About Obama," former White House deputy chief of staff and Fox News contributor Karl Rove criticized Sen. Barack Obama for his purported "arrogance" and "self-centeredness." As evidence, Rove wrote, "After Rev. [Jeremiah] Wright repeated his anti-American slurs at the National Press Club, Mr. Obama said their relationship was forever changed -- but not because of what he'd said about America. Instead, Mr. Obama complained, 'I don't think he showed much concern for me.' " Rove added: "Translation: Rev. Wright is an impediment to my ambitions." However, Rove cropped Obama's quote, excluding the line immediately following it, in which Obama said, "[M]ore importantly, I don't think he showed much concern for what we are trying to do in this campaign and what we're trying to do for the American people and with the American people." Moreover, during the same press conference, Obama specifically addressed what Wright "said about America":

But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS, when he suggests that Minister [Louis] Farrakhan somehow represents one of the greatest voices of the 20th and 21st century, when he equates the United States wartime efforts with terrorism, then there are no excuses. They offend me. They rightly offend all Americans. And they should be denounced. And that's what I'm doing very clearly and unequivocally here today.

Let me just close by saying this: I -- we started this campaign with the idea that the problems that we face as a country are too great to continue to be divided, that, in fact, all across America people are hungry to get out of the old divisive politics of the past.

I have spoken and written about the need for us to all recognize each other as Americans, regardless of race or religion or region of the country; that the only way we can deal with critical issues, like energy and health care and education and the war on terrorism, is if we are joined together. And the reason our campaign has been so successful is because we had moved beyond these old arguments.

What we saw yesterday out of Reverend Wright was a resurfacing and, I believe, an exploitation of those old divisions. Whatever his intentions, that was the result. It is antithetical to our campaign. It is antithetical to what I am about. It is not what I think American stands for.

Later, regarding proposals by the Obama and McCain campaigns for town hall meetings, Rove asserted of Obama:

Fearing 10 impromptu town halls, Mr. Obama parried the invitation by offering two such events -- one the night of July 4, when every ambulatory American is watching fireworks or munching hotdogs, and another in August. His spokesman then said, "Take it or leave it." So much for "anywhere, anytime."

But Obama's spokesman did not say "[t]ake it or leave it" with regard to his campaign's offer to McCain. Rather, the spokesman was reportedly characterizing the McCain campaign's offer as "take it or leave it," as Washington Post columnist David Broder wrote in his June 22 column:

[Obama campaign manager David] Plouffe said that in addition to the three traditional debates under official sponsorship later in the fall, there could be only two others -- one on economics on July 4 and another on foreign policy in August.

The McCain side said that few Americans would sacrifice their Independence Day holiday to watch a debate and reiterated its offer to meet Obama anywhere he wanted on any of the next 10 Thursdays.

At a news briefing last week, Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs characterized that as a "take it or leave it" stance by the Republicans and suggested that discussions were finished.

From Rove's June 26 Wall Street Journal column:

Many candidates have measured the Oval Office drapes prematurely. But Barack Obama is the first to redesign the presidential seal before the election.

His seal featured an eagle emblazoned with his logo, and included a Latin version of his campaign slogan. This was an attempt by Sen. Obama to make himself appear more presidential. But most people saw in the seal something else -- chutzpah -- and he's stopped using it. Such arrogance -- even self-centeredness -- have featured often in the Obama campaign.

Consider his treatment of Jeremiah Wright. After Rev. Wright repeated his anti-American slurs at the National Press Club, Mr. Obama said their relationship was forever changed -- but not because of what he'd said about America. Instead, Mr. Obama complained, "I don't think he showed much concern for me."

Translation: Rev. Wright is an impediment to my ambitions. So, as it turns out, are some of Mr. Obama's previous pledges.

For example, Mr. Obama has said he "strongly supported public financing" and pledged to take federal funds for the fall, thereby limiting his spending to roughly $84 million. Now convinced he can raise more than $84 million, he reversed course last week, ditching the federal money and its limits. But by discarding his earlier pledge so easily, he raises doubts about whether his word can be trusted.

Last month he replied "anywhere, anytime" to John McCain's invitation to have joint town hall appearances. Last week he changed his mind. Fearing 10 impromptu town halls, Mr. Obama parried the invitation by offering two such events -- one the night of July 4, when every ambulatory American is watching fireworks or munching hotdogs, and another in August. His spokesman then said, "Take it or leave it." So much for "anywhere, anytime."

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    • Author by archae (June 26, 2008 5:33 pm ET)
         

      Does ANYONE take Rove seriously anymore, especially after he failed so badly in 2006?

      Whoever does, it far more stupid than I thought.

      Rove is stuck in the old Bush "smear and fear" campaigns, and will never dig himself out of the rut.

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      • Author by skeptical (June 26, 2008 5:38 pm ET)
           

        Archae,

        It's the only thing Rove knows.  He has never once discussed policy issues in his life, his entire political career is based on lies, distortions, fearmongering and dirty political tricks. 

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        • Author by Science101 (June 26, 2008 5:42 pm ET)
             

          dirty political tricks

          Doesn't that pretty much describe every politician in Washington?

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          • Author by SFnomad (June 26, 2008 5:59 pm ET)
               

            No, but it certainly describes far more Republicans than it does Democrats.

            Negative campaigning isn't by itself Dirty Tricks.  It's lies, smears, whisper campaigns, voter caging, push polling, phone jamming and the like that are Dirty Tricks and Republicans are the master at all of them.

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            • Author by IRONY 101 (June 26, 2008 9:19 pm ET)
                 
              As I read recently, the Republicans, having mastered all the tricks of election, are adept at getting themselves elected. They just don't govern worth a shet...
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          • Author by mefirst (June 26, 2008 6:05 pm ET)
               
            rove is slime.  and bush should have kicked his slimy ass to the curb for his part in the outing of valerie plame.  except bush knew all about it.
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            • Author by wzwriter (June 27, 2008 11:16 am ET)
                 

              rove is slime.  and bush should have kicked his slimy ass to the curb for his part in the outing of valerie plame.  except bush knew all about it.

              I suspect that a LOT of people in the Bush Misadministration knew all about it...

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      • Author by tommy (June 26, 2008 5:39 pm ET)
           

        Exactly.  I have no clue why the architect of one of the most unpopular administrations in modern history, not to mention the "brains" behind moving his political party of dominance into one of near irrelevancy, is worthy of one ounce of respect for his political analysis.  

        He's like a hot stove, who would want to touch that only to get burned? 

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        • Author by archae (June 26, 2008 5:49 pm ET)
             

          Because Rove is like Ann Coulter.

          He creates controversy, and controversy sells.

          Our news media is the equivalent of the supermarket tabloids.

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          • Author by tommy (June 26, 2008 5:55 pm ET)
               
            I think Rove has been snatched up by Murdoch's empire because by and large the Fox'ers still love Bush, and Hannity and O'Reilly and the rest can prop him up as some expert analysis and soak in what he says - my guess would be for pure nostalgia.
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            • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 26, 2008 6:32 pm ET)
                 
              Speaking of arrogance, Tommy, did you see Rove on BOR's show last night criticizing the NY Times for printing the name of the CIA interragator who questioned KSM?  Rove defines arrogance.
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              • Author by tommy (June 26, 2008 6:45 pm ET)
                   

                Sorry Fried, if I ever flip on O'Reilly and Rove is on, I switch immediately to another station. 

                I throw up in my mouth a little bit when he is on and I hate doing that.  :)

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                • Author by friedbergboy1422 (June 26, 2008 7:07 pm ET)
                     
                  I hear ya, Tommy, I saw it on Crooks and Liars.  Just the thought of those two makes me taste my last meal again.
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              • Author by my4cents (June 26, 2008 9:46 pm ET)
                   

                It seems like the Republican slime machine is at it's busiest these days, seeing which slime sticks the best with the (ignorant) Republican base.

                Each and every one of Right Wing talk radio hosts is a prime example of arrogance.

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            • Author by HughG (June 26, 2008 8:17 pm ET)
                 

              Yeah, Tommy, I think that's pretty much true.

              Funny thing is, I don't see the "librulmedia" hiring lefty political hacks to write such high-profile columns. For instance, James Carville hasn't been hired by the NY Times or the WaPost. 

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        • Author by Brabantio (June 26, 2008 10:39 pm ET)
             

          Yes, but having discredited and disreputable people like Rove on the air is exactly what makes this country what it is.  It's vital that we have a free exchange of ideas, even if those ideas have no merit whatsoever.

          Just imagine, if you dare, we could live someplace where people were censored based on their credibility, fairness, knowledge and intelligence.  When I see a worthless sack of crap like Rove on the air, my heart swells with pride at what a great land we live in.

          Godddd bless America...My home sweeet hoooooome!

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          • Author by tommy (June 26, 2008 11:23 pm ET)
               

            "When I hear Americans like Dick Morris asking stupid questions on the TV, I start to hate America." Governor / Wednesday June 11, 2008 1:00:03 PM 

            Let's fix this up a bit, Brabantio style;

            "When I hear Americans like Karl Rove asking stupid questions on the TV, I start to hate America".

            You're in great company, thank you for your peek of honesty, glad to finally know. Although I am a little surprised, and frankly, disappointed.   Sad.
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            • Author by mary59 (June 26, 2008 11:33 pm ET)
                 

              let me fix up your fix, tommy:

              "When I hear that Americans like Karl Rove asking stupid questions on the TV, I'm  startled he hates America".

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            • Author by Brabantio (June 26, 2008 11:58 pm ET)
                 

              Saying that we shouldn't have Rove on the air doesn't mean that I hate America because he is on the air, of course.  I'm sure it hurts to have your moronic praise for diversity of intelligence being represented in our media thrown back in your face, but you should still think for a second or two in order to avoid hurling inflammatory accusations.  It must be that "emotional argument" thing you liberals are always falling prey to, having such a reaction that blurs your ability to distinguish between a desire for standards and hatred for one's own country.

              I'm getting a hell of a chuckle out of your pretense that your retort was somehow clever, though, thank you.

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              • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 27, 2008 1:42 am ET)
                   

                 it hurts to have your moronic praise for diversity of intelligence being represented (Brabantio)

                "Diversity of intelligence" is a phrase that works very well.The flag-waving idiots love to jump on anything that doesn't say "I love America, or anybody who says  they love America", regardless of how un-American their words.

                When somebody who represents a high office of my country says stupid sh*t, I hate America at that moment.I also very strongly dislike anybody who tries to paint me as anti-American for saying so.

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                • Author by tommy (June 27, 2008 12:38 pm ET)
                     
                  I didn't know Karl Rove or Dick Morris were elected officials who "represents a high office in our country".
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                  • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 27, 2008 12:45 pm ET)
                       
                    It's probably a good sign that you didn't know that.They're not.You may be getting well.
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            • Author by clams casino (June 27, 2008 12:12 am ET)
                 
              Oh God, please stop trying to be clever. Off the mark would be an understatement. I mean, that's not even one of Brab's posts that you used. Do you even understand that it was you who was being satirized in his first post? Do you even remember what you wrote a couple days ago, or does it all vanish down a memory hole once you've hit post?
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              • Author by Brabantio (June 27, 2008 10:03 am ET)
                   
                Right, when I do it it's to point out that person's hypocrisy, showing how what they're saying applies to themselves as well.  Unless I'm supposed to be accountable for what Governor says somehow, it's not the same concept at all.
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                • Author by tommy (June 27, 2008 12:31 pm ET)
                     

                  "Just imagine, if you dare, we could live someplace where people were censored based on their credibility, fairness, knowledge and intelligence"........"your moronic praise for diversity".

                  Your statements above are definitive proof of your true feeling regarding different opinions, diversity and tolerance.  You said them, I didn't. So it's only logical that if you despise these very freedoms, your feelings about the country that celebrates them can't be much different.

                  Next time you swoop in and feebly try your worthless analogies from previous threads, be careful.  

                  Have a fabulous Friday.... 

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                  • Author by Brabantio (June 27, 2008 12:48 pm ET)
                       

                    Could you be any more dishonest?  I mentioned your moronic praise for diversity of intelligence in the media.  There should only be intelligent people on the air.  Do you really expect to fool anyone by cropping my quote in such a conspicuous manner?

                    I didn't say anything about diversity of opinion in the media.  Everything I listed was a non-political standard.  I'm intolerant of unfair, dishonest and stupid people on the public airwaves, guilty as charged.  You sure got me there.

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                  • Author by Brabantio (June 27, 2008 12:58 pm ET)
                       

                    Also I expect how you can explain how the "analogy" is worthless.  You said it's great to have people like Morris on the air, even though they don't offer anything except "ridiculous" opinion.  So now when you're talking about how worthless Rove is, I'm saying that you must be celebrating his presence on the air for the same reason.

                    How does that misrepresent you, exactly?  If it doesn't, why do you feel the need to make blatantly dishonest charges regarding my patriotism over it?

                    "I view our acceptance and freedom to allow all sorts of views and opinions from the ridiculous, to this crap from Morris, to the sane and substantive, as a strength, not a weakness.  It is to our credit and to our resilience that we do not stifle or filter a free expression of ideas.

                    Would you rather there be some censoring of people like Morris, or other comparable voices on the other end of the spectrum?  I am sure you don't."

                     

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                    • Author by tommy (June 27, 2008 1:08 pm ET)
                         

                      I don't give a damn what you expect. I have been very clear that I appreciate this country and its freedoms MORE when I hear or see people,  who hold very different views and opinions than mine, being able to freely express them throughout our media.  Sure, I may vehemently disagree with them and have every right to call their opinions idiotic, or shameless - that is my right, my freedom, and yours.

                      I don't "hate America" when I hear blowhards on cable TV offer up their lopsided, partisan opinions, sorry. I would think far less of America if I thought for one moment "people were censored based on their credibility, fairness, knowledge and intelligence" as you indicated.

                      Accept our disagreement, I have. 

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                      • Author by Brabantio (June 27, 2008 2:03 pm ET)
                           

                        In other words, my satirical post accurately reflected your views.  So again, what's the dishonesty for?  You claim you accept the disagreement, yet you feel the need to spout off a vindictive lie.

                        "I don't "hate America" when I hear blowhards on cable TV offer up their lopsided, partisan opinions, sorry. I would think far less of America if I thought for one moment "people were censored based on their credibility, fairness, knowledge and intelligence" as you indicated."

                        Where did I say "hate America", Tommy?  Why are you putting that in quotes as if I said "I hate America" for some reason?  Am I supposed to be accountable for what Governor says?  Tread wisely here.

                        The "censored" line accurately reflects what you are saying, that you don't want people evaluated on those merits.  Did you think it meant I thought people were censored because they had merit, or what?  Here, make it "a land where people are censored for their lack of credibility, fairness, knowledge and intelligence".   Does that make it more clear?  That's your view, by your own words that's a place you wouldn't want to live in.  Why you're taking a sentiment I'm applying to you and trying to twist it to reflect on my views is a mystery. 

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                        • Author by Brabantio (June 27, 2008 2:26 pm ET)
                             

                          Scratch the last part, I misread based on the word "indicated".  My apologies.

                          It's hard to give your posts any benefit of the doubt when you are such a damned liar, though.  You do understand. 

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                        • Author by tommy (June 27, 2008 2:27 pm ET)
                             

                          "Just imagine, if you dare, we could live someplace where people were censored based on their credibility, fairness, knowledge and intelligence.  When I see a worthless sack of crap like Rove on the air, my heart swells with pride at what a great land we live in.

                          Godddd bless America...My home sweeet hoooooome"

                          Your post above dripped with sarcasm, so you can parse and dance around your silly little nuanced explanations, frankly I could care less.

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                          • Author by Brabantio (June 27, 2008 2:52 pm ET)
                               

                            Can you parse your way around your implication that I agree with Governor or that I said I "hate America"?  Can you dance around the fact that you deceptively cropped my quote?  Of course not, but you don't have to be responsible for your behavior.  That's just for everyone else.

                            Of course it was dripping with sarcasm, but it didn't misrepresent your sentiment one iota.  So if you're not ashamed of what you said, why are you going to such great lengths to strike back at me?  You could just say "that's exactly right" after my post, and that would be end of it.  That's how you would actually accept the disagreement, instead of lying and making inflammatory accusations.

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                            • Author by tommy (June 27, 2008 3:15 pm ET)
                                 

                              I have already told you what I believe, unlike you, who predicatably sidesteps such resolve in yours. 

                              You are more free to mock my beliefs through your sarcasm, I am not offended, considering the source.

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                              • Author by Brabantio (June 27, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
                                   

                                So you're not offended by mockery or sarcasm, you weren't misrepresented, yet you feel the need to lie about me.   You just eliminated any "emotional" excuse for your deplorable behavior, which means it's just your nature to be dishonest without provocation.

                                Can't say I'm terribly surprised. 

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                              • Author by clams casino (June 27, 2008 3:40 pm ET)
                                   
                                Tommy, you were just caught in a bald-faced lie. Don't you know when to quit? Your credibility is zero. If you had one shred of decency you'd own up to the fact that you dishonestly cropped Brab's quote and completely misrepresented what he said.
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      • Author by mari2jj (June 27, 2008 4:31 am ET)
           
        Yes are so correct and Rove continues to dig a hole and pull himself under more and more.  He is an unindicted co-sonspiritor and I think in the end he is going to get what he has coming and that, No doubt, those pending is why he is TRYING to help McCain.  But, alas, no one is that good, and for sure not the outed Rove.
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      • Author by wookie (June 27, 2008 10:34 am ET)
           
        On the issue of arrogance? I geuss it takes one to know one.
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (June 26, 2008 5:48 pm ET)
         
      I've noticed that Karl Rove has gotten a little pissy lately. He longer lives in the insulated world of the Bush administration and is out in the real world (probably making a fortune) where he now (for a fee) more personally engages the enemy rather than just directing the shots from afar. Obama's people have fired back at him which, in my observation, has made him a bit testy. I like it because, IMO, Rove will continue to reveal publicly just what a nasty, despicable human being he is.
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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (June 26, 2008 5:49 pm ET)
         
      I think the last time Rove told the truth was revealing the name of a CIA agent. I remember George Bush cllaiming to restore honor and dignity  back to the White House. in the same way the aliens came to earth to serve mankind, not revealing  it was a recepy until the end of the episode of outer Limits. . really have to analyse and be wary of what these guys say.
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    • Author by wzwriter (June 26, 2008 6:05 pm ET)
         
      I think it's a riot that KKKarl Rove is accusing ANYBODY of arogance.  This guy is arrogance personified, and I can't wait to see him led off to a federal pen in an orange jumpsuit and legirons.
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      • Author by IRONY 101 (June 26, 2008 9:29 pm ET)
           
        A few days ago Obama's campaign called Rove arrogant so, apparently, this is Karl's little push back. As I commented above I think you're going to see Rove get nastier and nastier. He started out his "journalistic" career very smoothly but now you're going to see more meat in his pieces which, IMO, will cause his targets to fire back at him...and Karl apparently doesn't take criticism well.
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    • Author by shaggles (June 26, 2008 6:13 pm ET)
         
      Rove has a never calling any Presidential candidate arrogant after working with Bush.  Has there aever been a politician more arrogant than him?
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    • Author by princeofwheels (June 26, 2008 6:30 pm ET)
         

      Please, leave Karl alone. This poor man had to train Pres. Bush on how to be a politician. Does anyone think that was easy?

      Please, leave Karl alone. This poor man was entangled in a web of lies  by that Scooter guy and had to suffer because of Scooter.

      Please leave Karl alone. He had the numbers and the election won for the Republans in Nov 2006 and then those lousy voters looked at the issues and the Administration. Poor Karl had to suffer.

      And most of all, Please leave Karl alone. Why because someone, out of the blue, put out rumors about Jeff Gannon getting favorable treatment in the Press Room, about Jeffies' late night visits to the White House and that Jeffie was some kind of male prostitute. And poor Karl suffered enough.

      Please leave Karl alone.

      Thank You

       Mom Rove

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (June 26, 2008 9:12 pm ET)
           

        This poor man had to train Pres. Bush on how to be a politician.

        Yup...Rove's the one who taught Bush the importance of faking sincerity when lying.

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    • Author by johnt51 (June 26, 2008 6:37 pm ET)
         
      When  the  hell  are  we  going  to  stop  playing  with  these  people, let's  go  after  them  and  all  their  lies  and  things  to  hide, we  have  the  best  research  team  there  is  so  let  use  it.
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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (June 26, 2008 8:56 pm ET)
         
      SKEPTICAL has it exactly right here . There's only one page in ROVE'S playbook, SMEAR,SMEAR, and more SMEAR.
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    • Author by hurricaneyankee52983 (June 26, 2008 9:01 pm ET)
         
      As far as I am concerned the PILLSBURY DOUGHBOY (ROVE), is nothing more than a peice of walking excrement.
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      • Author by Leftwingcenter (June 26, 2008 10:29 pm ET)
           
        Which is, of course, an unwarranted slander of excrement, since some of it can be useful for fertilizing plants...
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    • Author by HotWings (June 27, 2008 1:38 am ET)
         
      Karl Rove is right.  When Wright was saying God Damn America and that America created the AIDS virus to wipe out the black population, Obama defended him.  Obama said that Wright was like an uncle to him and that he refused to disown him.  It was only when Wright started saying negative things about Obama that Obama got upset at Wright. 
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      • Author by Don Hussein Fabuloso (June 27, 2008 1:46 am ET)
           
        Hotwings, most of the posters here have disagreed with the idea of the gov't creating AIDS. What exactly do you think Herr Karl is "right" about?
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        • Author by princeofwheels (June 27, 2008 3:08 am ET)
             
          Colonel, why are you trying to buffalo, Hotwings? He was writing his comments while dressing at the ranch. He is permitted to be both sweet and sour if he choses. Now, no more barbequing him/her for the rest of the evening. Thank You.
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    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (June 27, 2008 5:39 am ET)
         
      Most of you, so far, have been calling poor ol' Karl nasty names and accusing him of the most dastardly deeds. Do you honestly think your opinions will have ANY effect? There are thousands, THOUSANDS of brain-dead, true-blue Americans out there, yes, OUT THERE, who love this man and everything he stands for, some of them even post on this site. Karl von Rove is a product and expert loyal adherent of the win-at-all-cost idiology that has worked very hard to bring this country to its knees. AND he was expert at it. AND he was successful! Look around you. What do you see? There is no ONE "Manchurian Candidate", there are many. Karl is only one, but he was the mastermind, the Angela Lansbury of the plot. George was only the James Gregory. The plot was altered to have bumbling Gregory actually become the President, the "Leader of the Free World". The ones who found out about the whole plan were not actually murdered, only "outed", like Plame's husband, arms inspectors, fact finders, etc. Everyone else who objected to George's agenda were labeled "un-american", soft on terrorists, playing into the hands of the enemy, and on and on and on. That was not enough. The very confidence of the people had to be undermined as well. Attack Social Security, create joblessness, pay havoc with the economy, drive small businesses into bankruptcy, let the people of New Orleans die and languish. "I have in my hand the list of many KNOWN conspiritors, and they are the DEMOCRATS! The LIBERALS!" "We, and we alone, my friends, can SAVE you! Only your Republicans can guide you to the promised land!" Before, Mr. Rove had only the ear of George W. Bush and Richard Cheney. Now he has the whole nation. It will take a lot more than name-calling to save this country.
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      • Author by princeofwheels (June 27, 2008 7:47 am ET)
           

        That is why I tell everyone to visit MMFA and see the other side as they really deserve to be seen. Sure, people take shots at Rove but they already know what type of person he was, is and will always be.

        I agrree with your summary. To win this war on "Fearror", we must all vote to rid ourselves of the "fearrorists" who presently occupy the White House. Then the house of cards will begin to erode.

        I am sure the after November, these Merchants of Menace will continue their un-American acts but one-by-one, they will be asked questions about their time in power. Some will stay out of jail, others won't.

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      • Author by August Heat (June 27, 2008 10:24 am ET)
           
        I disagree with your post.  You assume many Americans agree with his actions.  But it's hard to be for justice and a hypocrite at the same time.  During the 60's, many whites were indifferent about the African-American struggle, until it was televised and they could actually see what the hell was going on.  A lot of Roves bs has been hidden by the Administration and the media.  As more things come out, honest Americans, be they black, white, spanish, Muslim or Christian are going to become repulsed by this guys reputation for lies and crookedness.  The group you speak of that loves this win-at-all-cost attitude is the Republican base, which isn't close to a majority in this country.  You'll never be able to change their minds because they are loyalist.  Most Americans, however, do not succumb to idea of outing CIA agents and the plethora of other things Roves name is attached to.  Most Americans were fooled by this Administration.  I doubt many support a lying, constitution breaking regime.  They say if a lie is said enough it starts to be accepted as the truth.  Likewise if a truth is said enough it is accepted.  The media needs to do its damn job and report what these crooks are doing.  Reading your post, I got a sense you think Rove is still a respected figure politically.  What happened in 2006?  Do you not realize the country is awake?  Like I said, there are plenty Americans out there who don't agree with me at all politically, but would also never condone the things Rove represents.
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        • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (June 27, 2008 1:50 pm ET)
             
          To AUGUST HEAT and others,

          I was trying to alert you that just because more and more Americans are becoming aware of the Karl Roves appearing in and on MSM, doesn't mean he doesn't have any more power. Rest assured that when you see some low-level hack doing his or her "interview" on the tube, his talking points are straight from Karl's play book. Their recent plan is no different: mobilize ALL of the blind loyalists to vote, even though it may be only 27%, and put doubts in the minds of the rest. If 100% of that 27% vote for Johnny Mack, but only 19% of the (gulp) Liberals or people on the fence show up at the polls, they've got another shot at the Whitehouse. The millions of good people who just can't make up their minds are the Republicans' ace in the hole. Don't forget the "Swift Boat" job. That awful stench you smell is coming from Rove's kitchen.
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    • Author by mirabilia7590 (June 27, 2008 10:51 am ET)
         

      I don't get it!  Why would anyone take Carl Rove seriously? 

      To "put a spin on", to misrepresent, to remove from context, to willfully misinterpret,  to cause an innuendo, to indulge in dirty tricks, etc, etc ad infinitum...are all euphemisms for lying.  Carl Rove is a liar and a liar and a liar.  Lying is not good for the liar.  Take a good look at Mr Rove's mouth:  It has the appearance of a wound...like Rupert Murdoch's mouth actually.

      I have to wonder about the core of one who lies for a living.

      Valmore 

       

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      • Author by mary59 (June 27, 2008 11:13 am ET)
           
        I wonder too. I accept that humans are solar beings at their core...but Rove and other liars have such a layer of deceit and confusion around their own little personal atmospheres that they've created their own little global warming (translate: hell). They've blocked the sun so effectively that not much light breaks through and they emit a lot of methane and other greenhouse gases.
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    • Author by congero6189599 (June 27, 2008 12:24 pm ET)
         
      Oh, thats what I smell coming from the W.H.,seems like Obama is going to have to fumigate and air it out before he moves in Mary.
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      • Author by mary59 (June 27, 2008 3:21 pm ET)
           
        I can't even imagine the fumes! Besides the methane there's probably a strong odor of sulfur about the place...

        Obama might have to call in an exorcist.
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    • Author by jmh (June 27, 2008 2:19 pm ET)
         
      I wish some responsible news journalist or broadcaster would have the guts to ask Mr. Rove where actions like racist Push-Polls, and revealing the names of secret agents, escpecially during times of war, fall on the scales of Moral Character, Ethics, and Legality.
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    • Author by donaldmaddog5642 (June 27, 2008 4:24 pm ET)
         
      Something else to consider: Rove may not even KNOW he is lying. Certainly he does not recognize lying as a bad thing. Winning is the only thing, no matter what the cost to one's "soul". I am not excusing him, I am only positing another idea: in the mind of the authoritarian, there IS no evil, only a result. The intention of Rove and others is to stay in power, no matter what has to be done or what lies are told. Cheney, on the other hand, will not be satisfied with power alone, but INCREASED power, unlimited power. He really doesn't need to be President. Being second in command was fulfilling enough. And if McSame wins, everyone still gets to sit at the table. No change. He will still have another 4-8 years to bolster MORE power for the Republican Party. We can consider this, also. Rove, Cheney, etc., are totally convinced they know what's best for the country. Only they are not interested in what's best for the country, but what's best for the Party. Therein lies the danger.
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