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NY Times' Zeleny uncritically repeated false charge that Clark "impugn[ed]" McCain's "heroism"

July 01, 2008 2:11 pm ET
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SUMMARY: The New York Times uncritically repeated the false charge that, during his June 29 appearance on CBS' Face the Nation, Wesley Clark "impugn[ed] Mr. [John] McCain's heroism." In fact, Clark praised McCain as "a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands of millions of others in the Armed Forces as a prisoner of war."

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In a July 1 New York Times article, staff writer Jeff Zeleny uncritically repeated the false charge that, in June 29 comments retired Gen. Wesley Clark made about Sen. John McCain on CBS' Face the Nation, Clark "impugn[ed] Mr. McCain's heroism." Zeleny wrote: "In a conference call, a number of Mr. McCain's former colleagues in the military and former prisoners of war in Vietnam also stood by his record and assailed General Clark for impugning Mr. McCain's heroism." In fact, in comments from his Face the Nation appearance that Zeleny did not quote or otherwise mention, Clark praised McCain as "a hero to me and to hundreds of thousands of millions of others in the Armed Forces as a prisoner of war." Zeleny also wrote that Clark "diminished Senator John McCain's service as a naval aviator in Vietnam when he declared, 'I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president,' " but did not note that, in making that comment, Clark was repeating Face the Nation host Bob Schieffer's words. Indeed, Clark's comment came in response to Schieffer's statement that, unlike McCain, Sen. Barack Obama has not "ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down."

From Zeleny's July 1 Times article:

Senator Barack Obama on Monday rejected the comments from a leading Democrat and campaign military adviser who diminished Senator John McCain's service as a naval aviator in Vietnam when he declared, "I don't think riding in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to be president."

As Mr. Obama delivered a speech here on patriotism that tried to defuse attacks on his own background, he responded to the remarks of Wesley K. Clark, the retired general and onetime Democratic presidential candidate who suggested on Sunday that Mr. McCain had not been tested as a wartime commander.

[...]

"I will never question the patriotism of others in this campaign," Mr. Obama said, speaking over the applause of hundreds of supporters. "And I will not stand idly by when I hear others question mine."

Yet Mr. Obama's effort to highlight his American values, delivered in a 30-minute address before a backdrop of flags, was complicated by the comment from General Clark. The war record of Mr. McCain once seemed like an unassailable asset to his presidential bid, but General Clark's comments on the CBS News program "Face the Nation" -- that being shot down in Vietnam was not a qualification to be president -- raised the possibility that Mr. McCain's military record would face scrutiny.

[...]

As he campaigned in Pennsylvania, Mr. McCain said he thought remarks like General Clark's were "unnecessary."

In a conference call, a number of Mr. McCain's former colleagues in the military and former prisoners of war in Vietnam also stood by his record and assailed General Clark for impugning Mr. McCain's heroism.

Senator John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia, a former Navy secretary and former Armed Services Committee chairman, said he was "utterly shocked" at General Clark's comments.

Mr. Warner said it was "an exercise in poor judgment" for the Obama campaign to employ General Clark as a surrogate.

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    • Author by August Heat (July 01, 2008 2:24 pm ET)
         
      Somebody please explain to me how the media is eating out of Obama's hands again. Unbelievable.
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      • Author by neondesert (July 01, 2008 3:29 pm ET)
           

        Right here:

        "As he campaigned in Pennsylvania, Mr. McCain said he thought remarks like General Clark's were 'unnecessary.' "

        Obviously, the liberal mainstream drive-by media included that quote only in an attempt to paint McCain as an elitist, implying that his lofty status so far above the level of the majority of citizens made him oblivious of their ignorance and the necessity of Clark's comments to clarify an elementary postulate.

        Well I for one am not about to sit by passively while some unpatriotic General calls the American citizens ignorant postules...

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        • Author by snoopy (July 01, 2008 3:59 pm ET)
             
          McCain can't even control his own finances. The guy "forgets" to pay his property taxes for four years, and idiots like POV want to let him take control of the federal treasury? Where's the media on that one?
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          • Author by neondesert (July 01, 2008 4:26 pm ET)
               

            McCain should be applauded for his humanitarian response to this situation.  Despite his stereotypical republican opposition to taxes, he put aside - nay, RISKED - his personal ideology and public integrity to flip flop and pay his property taxes in full, just to keep his San Diego condo off the auction block thereby preserving the property values for the less fortunate in San Diego.

            They should be grateful, but I'll bet the liberal Barack media plays this up to be a BAD thing...

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    • Author by wolf kotenberg (July 01, 2008 2:29 pm ET)
         
      When Mr McCain uses, or allows his surrogates to use his military service as qualifying him to be president ( which is not written into the Constitution ) then said military service should be scrutinized. The Randy Cunningham episode should have shown us that. What made McCain a hero was his actions while in prison under torture. And he was not the only resident at the Hanoi Hilton.
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    • Author by tommy (July 01, 2008 2:31 pm ET)
         

      My opinion on this has evolved somewhat since yesterday, although I still believe Clark's comments devalued McCain's service, I also think the media is making way too much of this.  They love to manufacture controversy, and in the scheme of things, this is being way over-hyped.

      However, this particular article is fair in its presentation of the facts.  If you read the whole piece, particularly the little [...] left out by MMFA, the article does not warrant the "uncritical" label given it here.

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      • Author by Governor (July 01, 2008 2:42 pm ET)
           
        The truth is that McCain's heroism was never questioned by Clark.  This piece uncritically maintains that it was.
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        • Author by tommy (July 01, 2008 2:45 pm ET)
             
          It most certainly does not. It gives Obama's reaction, and that of McCain and his supporters.  
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          • Author by Governor (July 01, 2008 2:48 pm ET)
               

            It most certainly does and it does so right here:

            In a conference call, a number of Mr. McCain’s former colleagues in the military and former prisoners of war in Vietnam also stood by his record and assailed General Clark for impugning Mr. McCain’s heroism.

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            • Author by BottleBlonde (July 01, 2008 3:00 pm ET)
                 
              Wesley Clark "stands by" McCain's record too. He acknowledged McCain's heroism too.
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            • Author by tommy (July 01, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
                 
              The article does not maintain anything. It reports what McCain's supporters think of Clark's comments, thank you for reprinting that.
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              • Author by Governor (July 01, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
                   
                The article maintains that McCain's pals "assailed General Clark for impugning Mr. McCain’s heroism."  Clark did not do this and no one is quoted within article stating that he questioned McCain's heroism.
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                • Author by tommy (July 01, 2008 3:46 pm ET)
                     

                  "Senator John W. Warner, Republican of Virginia, a former Navy secretary and former Armed Services Committee chairman, said he was "utterly shocked" at General Clark's comments"

                  What do you this is Governor?, are you that literal that you don't think this is one of McCain's supporters doing just that, assailing Clark for impugning McCain's heroism. 

                  This article is perfectly fair, your feelings about Clark's comments are clouding your judgments of a perfectly balanced article.

                   

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                  • Author by Governor (July 01, 2008 3:52 pm ET)
                       
                    You win.
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                    • Author by juliajayne (July 01, 2008 4:31 pm ET)
                         
                      Ha! Good one.
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                      • Author by foghornleghorn (July 01, 2008 4:44 pm ET)
                           
                        And one of McCain's supporters is a former Swift-Boat Liar.  Go figure.
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                    • Author by neondesert (July 01, 2008 4:43 pm ET)
                         

                      You could have had a "push" in that argument, Gov, but you got too specific.  The article DID take it upon itself to forecast the reaction to Clark's statements:

                      ...General Clark's comments on the CBS News program "Face the Nation" -- that being shot down in Vietnam was not a qualification to be president -- raised the possibility that Mr. McCain's military record would face scrutiny.

                      Clark's comments didn't raise that possibility - it was always there.  But this was an opening for some reporter to imply that Clark started it.

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        • Author by BottleBlonde (July 01, 2008 2:58 pm ET)
             

          The truth is that this article uncritically passes on a false meme about what Clark did yesterday. He didn't ever impugn McCain's record.

          And, in fact, this author buys right into that false meme by saying

          General Clark’s comments on the CBS News program “Face the Nation” — that being shot down in Vietnam was not a qualification to be president — raised the possibility that Mr. McCain’s military record would face scrutiny.

          Clark was not raising scrutiny about McCain's military record. He was saying that getting shot down is not a qualification. Those who are willfully ignoring the fact that there's a huge difference between

          1. raising scrutiny of his military record and

          2. denying that a small portion of his military history is relevant to the job he's applying for

          are ignoring reality.

          This article furthers the conservative agenda by uncritically reporting that some say that his record was impugned. The conservative agenda is to deceive people about what Clark really did. This journalist helps them do that. Media Matters is right on target.

           

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          • Author by neondesert (July 01, 2008 4:48 pm ET)
               

            Absolutely brilliant analysis, I must say.

            And I also must say that I did NOT intentionally plagiarize you in my comment above.  However had I read your comment first, I would have.  Shamelessly.

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          • Author by historygeek001 (July 02, 2008 4:17 pm ET)
               
            EXACTLY!  Well said.
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    • Author by Governor (July 01, 2008 2:32 pm ET)
         
      Correction: Mr. Schieffer Impugned Mr. McCain's Heroism When He Interrupted Gen. Clark’s Assertion That Mr. McCain Was A Hero In Order To Question Mr. Obama’s Presidential Credentials.
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    • Author by congero6189599 (July 01, 2008 3:24 pm ET)
         

       

      Clark’s argument that military service is not sufficient alone to be president is an argument that has been made by McCain himself:

      - During an interview with National Journal, John McCain was asked if “military service inherently makes somebody better equipped to be commander-in-chief.” McCain said, “Absolutely not…I absolutely don’t believe that it’s necessary.” [National Journal, 2/15/2003]

      - I believe that military service is the most honorable endeavor an American may undertake. But I’ve never believed that lack of military service disqualifies one from occupying positions of political leadership or as Commander and Chief. In America, the people are sovereign, and they decide who is and is not qualified to lead us. [American Legion Speech, 9/7/1999]

      - Earlier this year at Washington’s Gridiron Club, where humor is the required fare, McCain lay bare what underlies his candidacy. Wearing a jacket outlandishly festooned with dozens of fake military medals, McCain said, “The question I ask myself every morning while shaving in front of the mirror is: OK, John, you’re an incredible war hero, an inspiration to all Americans. But what qualifies you to be president of the United States?” [Minneapolis Star Tribune, 11/7/1999].  This was from thinkprogress.org. website. 

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      • Author by deeznuts (July 01, 2008 10:43 pm ET)
           

        Excellent post.

        Well researched, referenced, and utterly damning of McCain and the pearl-clutching crybabies who are jumping on Clark.

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    • Author by nerzog (July 01, 2008 3:31 pm ET)
         
      This Presidential Campaign has devolved into a litany of whining because somebody said something that hurt somebody's feelings. It grows tiresome.

      Clark's point, even if he didn't word it very well, is perfectly valid. Military service, in and of itself, doesn't necessarily qualify someone to be president..... and lack of military service doesn't disqualify anyone, either. Seems relatively simple, to me.

      Some of our best presidents never served, and some of our worst did serve.
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      • Author by snoopy (July 01, 2008 4:02 pm ET)
           
        and one failed to show up at his national guard base and somehow got released early during the vietnam war...
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 01, 2008 3:42 pm ET)
         

      So has any major news outlet failed to carry on about this like 80 year old spinster exposed to something erotic?

      MSM's main critria for worthyness of military time served seems to be which political party they now belong to.

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      • Author by nerzog (July 01, 2008 3:56 pm ET)
           
        Maybe my memory fails, but I don't remember this kind of hand-wringing when Republicans made a cottage industry out of impugning the service of Democrats like Max Cleland and John Kerry.
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        • Author by skipp2989 (July 01, 2008 6:12 pm ET)
             

          I agree. 

          I don't remember a great outrage from the press or the Republican leaders over the purple heart band-aids worn at the Republican convention. 

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    • Author by anotheramerican (July 01, 2008 4:00 pm ET)
         

      The implication by Clark that McCain's heroism is irrelevant is so politically tone deaf that it is indeed insulting.  

      It reminds me of Bill Bennett's comments a while back about aborting black babies. While being factually correct, he innocently impugned blacks.

      The same holds true here. His reply was innocent enough but still insulted McCain's sacrifice.  

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      • Author by thomp.steve9098 (July 01, 2008 4:08 pm ET)
           
        AA, wasn't Bennett simply referring to the book, Freakonomics?  The author devotes a whole chapter to his theory of the effect of abortion on crime, on how abortion drove down the crime rates in the 1990s.  I know this is off topic, but it's not like Bennett advocated abortion to keep down the crime rates, right? 
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        • Author by clams casino (July 01, 2008 4:16 pm ET)
             
          Those passages in Freakonomics don't discuss race at all. Bill Bennett's statement that the crime rate would go down if we aborted all black babies is all of his own making. He wasn't referencing anything in Freakonomics. That was a popular right wing defense that was easily and quickly debunked by those of us who actually read Freakonomics.
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          • Author by clams casino (July 01, 2008 4:21 pm ET)
               

            See these links for more:

            http://mediamatters.org/items/200509300008 

            http://mediamatters.org/items/200601270001 

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          • Author by thomp.steve9098 (July 01, 2008 4:22 pm ET)
               
            Thanks, that's why I had the question marks. I read the book long ago but didn't hear Bennett's comments and never actually read what he actually said.
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          • Author by Governor (July 01, 2008 4:25 pm ET)
               

            Ok.... but AA's point that Bennett's call for racist abortions is a lot like Bob Scheffer's claim that Obama's at a disadvantage due to his failure to get shot down by a fighter plane is certainly a valid.

             

            (wa wa huh?????) 

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        • Author by worrierking (July 01, 2008 4:19 pm ET)
             
          I'm pretty sure that in the book the statistics didn't mention race. Bennett was referring to the book, but "interpreted" it to add the racial element. Changing the author's intent.

          Sort of like the media is doing with the Clack/McCain issue.
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      • Author by juliajayne (July 01, 2008 4:36 pm ET)
           

        It reminds me of Bill Bennett's comments a while back about aborting black babies. While being factually correct, he innocently impugned blacks.

        Anutter American

         

        Innocently inpugned blacks? You are freakin' kidding me, right?

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      • Author by deeznuts (July 01, 2008 10:46 pm ET)
           

        McCain's heroism is irrelevant

        Not "irrelevant."

        Just not enough, on its own, to merit him the Presidency.

        That is the entirety of Clark's comments.

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    • Author by congero6189599 (July 01, 2008 4:05 pm ET)
         
      Exactly NERZOG that's why this is so manufactured and hyprocritical.  It's another attempt to create a side show and not talk about the issues.  What about the mindset that got us into a war with a nation that hadn't attacked us?  How about this policy of pre-emptive war?  What about continuing this and other wars endlessly in an epoch that has been declared a war on terror?  On everyone of these questions MCCain promises and even more agressive policy than G.W. Bush.  Thats what McCain doesn't want to talk about, because the American people overwhelmingly have rejected these policies.
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      • Author by tommy (July 01, 2008 4:18 pm ET)
           

        It's a fair point.  Obama was right with his comments rejecting Clark's statement, and McCain should have accepted it and moved on.  Instead cable TV gets a hold of it and milks it from every conceivable angle with every pundit they can drag in off the street to give their seasoned "analysis", and it gets a life of its own throughout the sensationalized media hypers.

        Enough, on to matters that matter. 

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        • Author by Governor (July 01, 2008 4:31 pm ET)
             
          If only Gen. Clark just stood down and conceded Bob Schieffer's point that, unlike McCain, Sen. Barack Obama has not ridden in a fighter plane and gotten shot down and is therefore not qualified to be President. Then none of this would have happened.  Stoopid uppity General.
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    • Author by snoopy (July 01, 2008 4:41 pm ET)
         

      Speaking of military service and fundraising:

      Largely as a result of “dissatisfaction with the course of the war under President Bush and with the treatment of veterans returning home,” Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) is collecting more in military contributions than is Sen. John McCain (R-AZ). The AP reports, “Among people who have donated at least $200 to a presidential campaign this election cycle, Obama has collected more than $327,000 from those identifying themselves as military personnel, while McCain has collected $224,000.” Even many wealthy donors who contributed to Bush in 2004 have been reluctant to donate to McCain because of his Iraq policies.

      Oops!

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    • Author by snoopy (July 01, 2008 5:42 pm ET)
         

      John McCain on Tammy Duckworth:

      Arizona Senator John McCain campaigned Monday for fellow Republican Peter Roskam at what was billed as a rally of veterans for Roskam. Several of the vets attending are from the same Illinois National Guard unit as Roskam foe Tammy Duckworth.

      Their message is that while Duckworth deserves recognition for her service and sacrifice in Iraq, that doesn't make her qualified to serve in Congress.

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    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 01, 2008 6:23 pm ET)
         
      Due to the recent availbilty of earasible stone. McPrecious's words may now be safely carved into stone. Where they so rightly belong, except where the local Lithoinfoassurity Dept hasn't updated to the most recent deathless prose.
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