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July 01, 2008 7:38 pm ET
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SUMMARY: On his radio show, Michael Savage repeatedly referred to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as Mussolini, at one point calling her "the Mussolini in a skirt." He later referred to her as "Nancy Pelosi Mussolini" and the "Mussolini-like woman of the day."

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On the June 27 edition of his nationally syndicated radio show, Michael Savage repeatedly referred to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) as Mussolini, at one point calling her "the Mussolini in a skirt." Savage later closed the segment of his show by stating: "This is dedicated to Nancy Pelosi Mussolini." Later in the broadcast, Savage referred to Pelosi as the "Mussolini-like woman of the day."

Savage apparently again referred to Pelosi as Mussolini on the June 30 broadcast of his show. After indicating that he was going to deliver a monologue on the Fairness Doctrine, Savage stated: "It's Mussolini at work -- Mussolini in a skirt with bad rouge; Mussolini if he came back and wore ugly clothing and put on bad makeup and had too much Botox. He would be calling for the Fairness Doctrine, assuming he would still own the winery and the bad restaurant chain." According to the San Francisco Chronicle, among other investments, the Pelosis own "a St. Helena vineyard worth between $5 million and $25 million" and "the Piatti Italian restaurant chain."

As Media Matters for America noted, during a December 12, 2007, broadcast, Savage referred to Pelosi and Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA) as "yentas" and later had this conversation on waterboarding with Phil Newmar, "the board operator for this show":

SAVAGE: Would you rather be waterboarded for 30 seconds or eat Jane Harman's ravioli?

NEWMAR: It would definitely be the waterboarding, sir.

SAVAGE: Would you rather be waterboarded or be in the same room with Barbara Boxer after a family argument?

NEWMAR: I'm going to have to ask to be waterboarded twice.

SAVAGE: [laughs] And the last question: Would you rather be waterboarded or eat Nancy Pelosi's tortellini?

NEWMAR: Put a bullet in my head before I'll eat that tortellini.

SAVAGE: [laughs] All right, we're on record, Phil. We'll have to find somebody willing to waterboard you.

Savage again called Pelosi a "yenta" during the December 14, 2007, broadcast of his show and referred to Media Matters as "yokels and drunks," "cretins," "rat snitches," "snitch perverts," "snitches out of the ex-Soviet Union," and "scum."

Also on the June 27 show, Savage said of Sen. Barack Obama: "We don't know whether he'd be more like Mussolini or Stalin, but one of the two would work."

Talk Radio Network, which syndicates Savage's show, claims that Savage is heard on more than 350 radio stations. The Savage Nation reaches at least 8.25 million listeners each week, according to Talkers Magazine, making it one of the most listened-to talk radio shows in the nation, behind only The Rush Limbaugh Show and The Sean Hannity Show.

From the June 27 edition of Talk Radio Network's The Savage Nation:

SAVAGE: I almost fell out of my bed when he [British Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill] said they would have to fall back on some sort of Gestapo. He was talking about the liberals of his time. I mean, you can call them socialists, but they're one and the same in this country. They've just been very clever in disguising their socialist rhetoric under the -- under the pretense of liberalism, but they're exactly the same. And he said that no Socialist system can be established without a political police.

We have this political police in place now. We have groups like Media Matters -- they are political police. They're the fascists of our time, who are monitoring conservatives like Michael Savage, trying to trip us up and get us in trouble, and they're sending it to would-be dictators like Pelosi -- the Mussolini in a skirt -- or to Obama. We don't know whether he'd be more like Mussolini or Stalin, but one of the two would work. The fact of the matter is, liberals cannot permit -- because they're socialists -- they could not allow free speech. They'd have to fall back on some sort of Gestapo, which led me this morning to these thoughts. And those are the thoughts about the seven plagues visiting the United States today.

[...]

SAVAGE: Yes, a free Parliament is odious to the socialist doctrinaire. And the people could not breathe free air without a harsh, clumsy hand clasped over their mouths and nostrils. This is dedicated to Nancy Pelosi Mussolini. I'll be right back.

[...]

SAVAGE: God doesn't talk. He doesn't speak from a mountain with tablets in his hands. God speaks to us in silent ways, without words. He speaks to us without words, and that's why I'm worried. I'm worried because I think this is only the beginning. I think this country has so turned from its founding ways as a righteous nation, turning from authoritarianism with Pelosi, with Obama on the horizon, saying they're in favor of clamping down on free speech and controlling us, where the civil servants would no longer be civil nor servants -- but they would grab all the power to themselves. That's what Pelosi -- the Mussolini-like woman of the day -- would want to do.

That's what Obama stands for if you read his positions and look at his policies. For all of McCain's failings, there's not a hint of authoritarianism in the man. If anything, he's too nice. That's the only problem with McCain is he's too wishy-washy. So, we're in very strange times and the worst is yet to come. Yeah, the government's done a great job of keeping our wonderful friends from the Middle East at bay. Give them credit for that. We know they're here. Every day you see of arrests, of people who were casing dams and military bases, and we're supposed to sweep that under the rug and say, they have no effect. Good luck. I mean, thank God for the FBI and for the Justice Department and whatever agencies are involved.

From the June 30 edition of The Savage Nation:

SAVAGE: Now, I want to read you something. Here is a list -- I'm going to read you some titles of editorials or monologues I've written over the last several months. "Oil for War," remember that one? For years, I've been calling for Iraq to pay us back for the cost of liberating them from the torture chambers of Saddam Hussein. You remember that? Hey, how's that for a newspaper editorial?

How about the one from last week? "Bush's Legacy: The Greatest American President" -- why did I say that? Because, last Thursday, we won on the Second Amendment. Why did we win? Because Bush put in two conservatives in the Supreme Court. "The Seven Plagues of the United States," where I said God is angry with the United States. Do you remember my brilliant analysis of Republicans versus conservatives? That's another one of my editorials.

How about "The Real Ted Kennedy," when everybody was boo-hoo-hooing over Ted Kennedy? I was the only one in the media who had the guts to remember Ted Kennedy's true legacy. I was attacked for that, but just because he got sick, doesn't mean that his legacy disappeared with his illness. How about "The Sellout of the White Male" -- June 30th, 2008. You want me to read you some of the other headlines that I wrote on my verbal newspaper? They'd make for a heck of a book. "Heroes Versus Humanity" -- "Heroes Versus Humanity"; "Anchors Away: Attacking the Anchor Babies in America" -- June 30th, 2000 -- oh, that's today, June 30th. What am I talking about? That's the date on today.

"The Unfairness Doctrine" by Michael Savage. I explained to you why it's not the Fairness Doctrine at all. It's Mussolini at work -- Mussolini in a skirt with bad rouge; Mussolini if he came back and wore ugly clothing and put on bad makeup and had too much Botox. He would be calling for the Fairness Doctrine, assuming he would still own the winery and the bad restaurant chain.

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    • Author by snoopy (July 01, 2008 8:17 pm ET)
         
      What a savage little hitler. He sure is stuck on himself though...
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    • Author by Dem02020 (July 01, 2008 8:25 pm ET)
         

       

      This guy uses a Public Resource, the Public Airwaves, for which no person, me you or this guy, has any right to use, outside of applying for and receiving an FCC License, and adhering to all the Regulations thereof... this guy uses the Public Airwaves, to lobby for a legislative issue:

      H.R.2905, The Public Airwaves De-Regulation Act, to prevent the Federal Communications Commission from again proclaiming the Fairness Doctrine as part of the FCC's Regulations: the Fairness Doctrine having been unilaterally repealed (without Congressional approval) by Reagan's FCC, resulting in the current consolidation of the broadcast media, for the purposes of influencing and manipulating the political opinions of the American People.

      ...influencing and manipulating the political opinions of the American People, as this guy just tried to do, by lobbying for H.R.2905 (and against the Fairness Doctrine), on the Public Airwaves, by way of a precious (not available to you and me) and privileged (not a right) FCC License to broadcast on those Airwaves.

       

      Now, is that a Fair and Balanced use of a precious and privileged License to use a Public Resource, the Public Airwaves?

      Why don't you and I have that opportunity, to broadcast our political opinions to the American People, in an effort to influence and manipulate their political opinions, like in the matter of H.R.2905, or the Fairness Doctrine...

      Why can't you and I go on the Public Resource of the Public Airwaves, like this guy, and lobby for legislation that serves us, or our employer?

       

      I think that if a precious (not available to you and I) and privileged (not a right) use of the Public Airwaves, by FCC License holders, to broadcast to the American People, is going to be used to influence and manipulate the political opinions of those American People (whose Public Resource it is), then I think EQUAL TIME in the broadcasting of Political Opinions, and REPLY TIME in the broadcasting of Personal Attacks, should be allowed to us...

      It sounds only Fair.

      It sounds like a Fair and Balanced use of a Public Resource.

      After all, the Fairness Doctrine was the Regulatory Policy of the FCC, for more than forty years before Reagan's FCC repealed it unilaterally, in an act of De-Regulation...

      ...resulting in the current consolidation of the broadcast media, for the purposes of influencing and manipulating the political opinions of the American People.

       

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      • Author by Science101 (July 01, 2008 8:50 pm ET)
           

        Democrats have tried for years up on years to get popular in radio, only to have their stations either shut down, or shut off that particular program, do to the low number of listeners.

        You can give them half airtime, but the bottom line is that still no one will listen.

        You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink. 

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        • Author by Dem02020 (July 01, 2008 8:53 pm ET)
             

           

          The issue isn't about ratings or popularity or any political party: it's about the Regulated use of a precious and privileged Public Resource... it's about broadcasting on the Public Airwaves: it's about the FCC.

           

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        • Author by snoopy (July 01, 2008 9:10 pm ET)
             
          And the little cat meows at the moon...
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        • Author by juliajayne (July 01, 2008 9:24 pm ET)
             

          Yes, science, coming from an unimpeachable source like you, I'm so sure that what you say is true :-0)

          *roll eyes*

          (I actually never roll my eyes but I did that just for you).

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        • Author by JLyons (July 01, 2008 9:35 pm ET)
             

          Democrats have tried for years up on years to get popular in radio, only to have their stations either shut down, or shut off that particular program, do to the low number of listeners.

          Science can you name those Democrats ? Do you have links and proof ?

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        • Author by neondesert (July 02, 2008 12:42 am ET)
             

          "...only to have their stations either shut down, or shut off that particular program, do to the low number of listeners."

          Liberals have always had trouble having someone else tell them what to think, which is why a limpaugh or hannity type program seems to be so much more successful with conservatives.

          And, by the way, I probably shouldn't be telling you this, knowing how dangerous a little knowledge is in the hands of a troll, but it's "due", not "do".  No need to thank me - I feel it's my duty to the rest of the world to help you make your gibberish as easily understood as possible so that a minimum amount of time must be spent plodding through and interpreting it before it is correctly identified as tripe.

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        • Author by August Heat (July 02, 2008 11:46 am ET)
             

          You can lead a horse to water, but you cant make him drink.  - Sceince101

          And you can teach a jackass to talk, it's still a jackass.  The bottom line is he's promoting extreme hatred on public airwaves.  This has nothing to do with liberal shows not doing well, and everything to do with public decency.  Michael Savage is to lame conservatives what gangsta rappers are to some young kids.  At least the gangsta rap is edited on radio.  This man's mouth has no editing.  He spews one hateful thing after another.  What the hell does that have to do with liberal radio shows?

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          • Author by foghornleghorn (July 02, 2008 12:43 pm ET)
               
            And the authoritarian clones eat up his hate/fear rhetoric.  That's why they listen to Rush, Hannity, et.al.  Because it justifies their irrational fear and hatred or liberals, foreigners, minorities, the poor, etc.
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        • Author by commonsenseliberal (July 02, 2008 4:44 pm ET)
             

          You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.  You can lead a Republican to facts, but you cannot make him think.

          Just for you, Scienceguy...

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      • Author by pete592 (July 01, 2008 10:01 pm ET)
           

        The problem is not the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, it's the Telecom Act. 

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    • Author by princeofwheels (July 01, 2008 8:59 pm ET)
         
      The Verministic Savage has finally gone over the edge. My Uncle Benito looked damn good in a skirt. And Mikey, you would have gone after him..he seemed to be your type.
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    • Author by proudconservative (July 01, 2008 9:59 pm ET)
         

      It can't be!  Mussolini was much prettier and he never led a delegation to Syria to undermine the war in Iraq!

      http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=221970

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      • Author by snoopy (July 01, 2008 10:02 pm ET)
           
        Are you really so ignorant that you want us to bombard you with posts of repuplicans doing the same thing?
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        • Author by proudconservative (July 01, 2008 10:06 pm ET)
             

          redbaronfoe,

          Bombard away!

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          • Author by Dem02020 (July 01, 2008 10:10 pm ET)
               

             

            Is that really what happened in Syria, in whatever meetings were held?

            How could you know?

            I mean, you're merely a fly on the wall here, were you a fly on the wall there too?

             

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            • Author by princeofwheels (July 01, 2008 10:27 pm ET)
                 
              Quinns' invisible friend in Washington, SON OF DEEP THROAT was there. He is everywhere. He is the one who sexually harrassed his female counterparts in the 90's. It wasn't Jimmy, it was SODT.
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          • Author by snoopy (July 02, 2008 11:09 am ET)
               

            You want to talk traitors? Let's do that.

            One of John McCain’s biggest fundraisers “oversaw the payment of roughly $1.7 million to a Colombian paramilitary group that is today designated a terrorist organization by the United States.” HuffPost reports that Carl Lindner, the former CEO of Chiquita Brands, “paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to the United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia (known by the Spanish acronym AUC),” which is described by George Washington University’s National Security Archive as an ‘illegal right-wing anti-guerrilla group tied to many of the country’s most notorious civilian massacres.’”

            Let me know if you can find Nancy Pelosi doing anything close to that, oh fistpoundingpud.

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          • Author by snoopy (July 02, 2008 11:13 am ET)
               

            ABC News’ David Wright reports that when he asked John McCain to “explain how his Vietnam experience prepared him for the presidency,” McCain “became visibly angry”:

            mccain.gif

            McCain became visibly angry when I asked him to explain how his Vietnam experience prepared him for the Presidency.

            “Please,” he said, recoiling back in his seat in distaste at the very question.

            McCain allies Sen. Lindsey Graham stepped in to rescue him. Graham expressed admiration for McCain’s stance on the treatment of detainees in US custody.

            What a pouty little baby! How does being a petulant little child qualify you for office of the presidency?

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            • Author by john174541842 (July 02, 2008 12:52 pm ET)
                 

              Yeah, a man showing anger is bad.  We need to all be level headed and calm at all times.  It is bad to get angry.  People who get angry are bad people.  Anyone who gets angry is not qualified for the presidency.

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          • Author by snoopy (July 02, 2008 11:34 am ET)
               

            There's just way to many to cut and paste, but I like this site. It's a complete compendium of every republican screw up for the last year and a half. Here's a sample:

            January 9: US Attorney Chris Christie declines to challenge Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ).
            January 15: Colorado GOP Sen. Wayne Allard announces that he will retire at the end of his term, leaving his seat vulnerable to a takeover by Democrat Mark Udall.
            January 15: The Wall Street Journal reports that Gov. Jim Gibbons (R-NV) is under federal investigation for bribery.
            January 29: Red Sox pitcher Curt Schilling, considered a potential challenger to Sen. John Kerry, announces that he will play in 2008, denying the NRSC a star recruit.

            February 23: GOP Rep. Michele Bachmann (MN-06) claims to know of a secret Iranian plan to partition Iraq and create a "a terrorist safe haven zone" called the "Iraq State of Islam" in order to launch attacks throughout the Middle East and on the United States. Bachmann is forced to recant her unsourced delusions days later.

            March 6: On the same day that ex-US Attorney David Iglesias testifies before the House Judiciary Committee that he received intimidating phone calls from GOP Rep. Heather Wilson (NM-01) and Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM) prior to the 2006 mid-term elections about an investigation of a Democratic state senator, Wilson admits that she called Iglesias, but claims her intent was not to intimidate Iglesias.
            March 6: One of the GOP's top choices to challenge freshman Democratic Rep. Ron Klein (FL-22), state Rep. Adam Hasner, declines to run. State Sen. Jeff Atwater also says "no".
            March 15: GOP Rep. Jean Schmidt (OH-02) reportedly slips and falls in vomit in a Capitol Hill bathroom.
            March 19: GOP Rep. Tim Walberg (MI-07) sticks his foot in his mouth by saying that most of Iraq is about as safe as Detroit or Chicago.

            Take that, pembridge scholars!

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            • Author by christopherpking (July 02, 2008 1:40 pm ET)
                 
              What have the Democtrats accomplished in the last year?
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          • Author by snoopy (July 02, 2008 11:37 am ET)
               

            Boy, how stupid do you have to be to be a republican?

            When President Bush announced his economic stimulus in January, he bragged that his package was the “right size” and would “boost” the economy:

            I am pleased that this agreement meets the criterion that I set forth last week to provide an effective, robust, and temporary set of incentives that will boost our economy and encourage job creation. This package has the right set of policies and is the right size. The incentives in this package will lead to higher consumer spending and increased business investment this year.

            It sure has led to “higher consumer spending,” but not where Bush had probably hoped. The adult pornography industry reports that has seen a huge uptick in business thanks to Bush’s package. According to a press release from the Adult Internet Market Research Company:

            An independent market-research firm, AIMRCo (Adult Internet Market Research Company), has discovered that many websites focused on adult or erotic material have experienced an upswing in sales in the recent weeks since checks have appeared in millions of Americans’ mailboxes across the country.

            According to Kirk Mishkin, Head Research Consultant for AIMRCo, “Many of the sites we surveyed have reported 20-30% growth in membership rates since mid-May when the checks were first sent out, and typically the summer is a slow period for this market.”

            Jillian Fox of LSGmodels.com (nsfw) said that in a survey to its members, “thirty two percent of respondents referenced the recent stimulus package as part of their decision to either become a new member, or renew an existing membership.”

            ap080613010851444.jpg

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            • Author by john174541842 (July 02, 2008 12:59 pm ET)
                 

              No way! Snoopy, a liberal, admitting that a government hand out does not solve the problem!  Apply your thinking to welfare, subsidised housing, and subsidised healthcare for illegals and the poor...and you just might start to realize that big government programs/spending are a pathetic failure.

              I agree, one must be stupid to be a republican because republicans are just as much in the tank for big government as democrats.  This is what separates conservatives from republicans.

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              • Author by foghornleghorn (July 02, 2008 1:58 pm ET)
                   

                Great solution - throw families into the streets, deny health care to people who are sick.

                You are pathetic.

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                • Author by john174541842 (July 02, 2008 2:58 pm ET)
                     

                  More like:  Great solution - make them happy right now by throwing money at them, then forget them, raise their taxes (the highest sales tax in the country as of yesterday -- why do democrats punish the poorest people of their constituency this way?), and wait for them to ask for something new.  Restart cycle of waste and keeping the black man down.

                  http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=full

                  Don't call me pathetic for commenting on reality.  I go right through this neighborhood on my way to work every day.  I am aware of the government hand-outs that are supposed to assist in solving the problem.  The problem is, things stay the same or get worse, while state and federal dollars dwindle.

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              • Author by snoopy (July 02, 2008 5:22 pm ET)
                   
                You read way to much in my posts. Never said govt. handouts were a problem, only those done by Bush. He couldn't eat a pretzel right if he tried.
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          • Author by snoopy (July 02, 2008 11:42 am ET)
               

            I guess the answer is you have to be pretty stupid to be a republican...

            This is fun: A campaign staffer for a leading GOP Senator has been busted posting fake posts on liberal blogs under an alias.

            Burnt Orange Report, the premier state-level liberal blog in Texas, has discovered that commenter "Buck Smith" -- who claimed in the site's comments to be a liberal and who was critical of Texas Democrats and their candidates -- was in fact none other than David Beckwith, a top Texas Republican operative who works for GOP Sen. John Cornyn.

            What makes this story funny is the way this joker managed to get himself caught.

            Beckwith, who served as the top spokesman for Cornyn's 2002 campaign and is on board again this year, gave the same e-mail address at BOR as he did at a Web page for his high school class. Oops.

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      • Author by princeofwheels (July 01, 2008 10:24 pm ET)
           

        Proudone....you actually believe any blog/source where Jim (The Sexual Harasser) Quinn is used as a source. I'm sorry, it is his "son of deep throat" source that points him in the RIGHT direction. What a joke.

        His SODT hasn't been right about anything. I cannot believe that any intelligent person believes anything this bum puts out on the radio. The reason he is a bum is because he WILL NOT allow any discussion of any of his readings, rants. He and Rose are liars and standard bearers for the Far Right. He misquotes, under-quotes and just plain lies to his Trailer Republican base. Sad, sad state of affairs if this is what the Repbulans need to get through a day.

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      • Author by eweston8542983 (July 01, 2008 10:57 pm ET)
           

        How much did she clear by holding the republican congressmen who foolishly traveled with her, for ransome, Mr. Vintage talking point.

        Will you be asking about her airplane next?

        I have no love lost over Ms Pelosi. Bring something real to the table eh. First though try some reading comprehension.

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      • Author by achrispage6992 (July 02, 2008 8:01 am ET)
           
        Undermining the war in Iraq? Seems to me that is folks like you who march down the street holding the flag blindly supporting this war without spilling one drop of your own blood who is undermining this war. You conservatives always like to compare the "war on terror" to WWII in numerous ways. One comparison you always leave out is how millions upon millions of Americans left their jobs, homes, and families to join the war effort. Have you served in Iraq? If not why?
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    • Author by scappy11039209 (July 01, 2008 10:04 pm ET)
         

      I like Savage. I find him refreshingly candid and he does not follow the Republican talking points like so many other radio personalities. He speaks truth to power and is particularly insightful when it comes to pointing out hypocrisacy on both sides of the aisle.  

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    • Author by proudconservative (July 01, 2008 10:30 pm ET)
         

      Buzz-Buzzzzzzz,

      This seemed to pop up as a necessary element of her governing after spending time in Syria?  Maybe she should have followed up on that promise to lower those high gas prices instead!

      http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/10/14/us.turkey.ap/index.html

       

       

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      • Author by proudconservative (July 01, 2008 10:46 pm ET)
           
        Or the significant increase in pkk terror activity shortly after Pelosi's Syria trip.  coincidence?
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        • Author by princeofwheels (July 01, 2008 10:49 pm ET)
             
          PC, And there are WMDs in IRAQ. Wow, this could go on for another two words..Good Bye
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      • Author by princeofwheels (July 01, 2008 10:53 pm ET)
           
        Guess what...she IS the Speaker of the HOUSE. Doesn't that make you sick? Probably as much as George Bush makes me sick as the President but it is what it is. Come January, George will be headed to jail and my Beloved Nancy will still be SOTH. Grow up and live with it. Or call Quinn to get your refill of dumbness
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        • Author by proudconservative (July 01, 2008 11:10 pm ET)
             

          queenoftires,

          Thank you for your thoughtful response to the issue of Madam Pelosi's involvement in stirring up the pkk.  Wow, you really disected me with that one.  Your defense of her Armenian Genocide Resolution 90 years after the fact and potential impact on the war effort in Iraq was....well, the silence spoke volumes!

          And by the way, you went way beyond that two word closure you promised.  Shame-Shame!

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          • Author by tman418 (July 01, 2008 11:34 pm ET)
               
            Thank you for your lack of evidence in directly linking Pelosi's actions to the PKK (which is Turkey's problem).
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          • Author by tman418 (July 01, 2008 11:40 pm ET)
               
            Pelosi was one of seven American lawmakers to participate in a 2007 Mideast tour — with Keith Ellison (D-MN), Henry Waxman (D-CA), Tom Lantos (D-CA), Louise Slaughter (D-NY), Nick Rahall (D-WV), and David Hobson (R-OH) — that included stops in Israel, Syria, the Palestinian territories, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia. Three Republican congressmen — Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts and Robert Aderholt — met with Syrian President Bashar Assad earlier. Pelosi had the opportunity to address the Israeli Knesset where she expressed concern "that the new (Hamas-Fatah) Palestinian government, some of the people in the government, continue to remain committed to the existence of Israel." An Israeli spokeswoman said Pelosi would convey "that Israel is willing to talk if they (Syria) would openly take steps to stop supporting terrorism" in order to be "a partner for negotiations." The delegation talked "extensively" with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert about a relaunched 2002 Saudi peace plan with Israel, which Olmert welcomed as a "new way of thinking, the willingness to recognize Israel as an established fact and to debate the conditions of the future solution," but expressed reservations over the plan and invited Arab leaders to discuss them. The delegation met with the families of the three kidnapped Israeli soldiers during the visit and Pelosi said she planned to raise the issue when she met with Assad.

            At a press conference after her meeting with Assad, Pelosi said that she had conveyed a message from Olmert to Syrian President Assad saying that Olmert was ready to negotiate for peace. Olmert's office later clarified what he had actually told Pelosi, saying that "although Israel is interested in peace with Syria, that country continues to be part of the axis of evil and a force that encourages terror in the entire Middle East." Sources at the Israeli Prime Minister's Office at the time said that, "Pelosi took part of the things that were said in the meeting, and used what suited her."
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          • Author by tman418 (July 01, 2008 11:46 pm ET)
               
            By the way, the PKK has been launching attacks on Turkey for a long time. Pelosi's trip to Syria was in early April of 2007. The PKK terrorist attacks which caused Turkey itself to have to invade Iraq started in September of that year, and Turkey went in a month later.
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          • Author by achrispage6992 (July 02, 2008 8:04 am ET)
               
            You must really stop with this "undermining" the war effort sh!t. Until you can point to ways you have sacrificed for this effort you have absolutely no business insinuating that others are undermining it.
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    • Author by Falcon1 (July 01, 2008 10:31 pm ET)
         

      I need an answer concerning the Whiny Hiney Weiner Savage.

      Why does savage go out of his way to hide his Jewish ethnicity?

       

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      • Author by christopherpking (July 02, 2008 11:28 am ET)
           
        Hidding his Jewish Background? Do you understand ANYTHING about entertainment? Seems not.
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    • Author by eweston8542983 (July 01, 2008 10:59 pm ET)
         
      Hatred of ones identity is nothing new. The venue is fairly recent, the mindset, old.
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    • Author by SDL (July 02, 2008 1:33 am ET)
         

      Savage is a misogynist. He's no different than the people he hates.

      IIRC, he called Elizabeth Smart "a little whore" ...

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    • Author by cpinva (July 02, 2008 2:28 am ET)
         

      geez! could this idiot stick make up his little mind already? either pelosi is a fascist or a socialist, you just can't be ideologically both simultaneously, without your head exploding from the innate intellectual conflict.

      that said, i wouldn't worry too much about "dr." savage's inept rants. of the purported 8 million per week listeners, i'm convinced only the ones from media matters (you have my sympathies) are actually literate, beyond a single-syllable level.

      as well, his kinda listener isn't the voting kind (you have to be able to go into the booth alone, read the ballot and vote), so i submit his impact, other than on his bank balance, is nil.

      having stumbled onto his "show" (and it is a show! lol) once or twice, i realized you have to be truly dedicated to listen for more than a couple of minutes; his screeds aren't even entertaining, for god's sake!  

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      • Author by anotheramerican (July 02, 2008 12:02 pm ET)
           

        CP,

        A small point.  Many people think fascism is more of a product of the left rather than the right.  The liberals in the 20's and 30's were infatuated with Mussolini. Some of the New Deal ideas were taken from Musolini.  Also, the Nazi's were the National Socialist German Worker's Party. 

        To say it fascism is antithetical to Socialism, is to miss an important part of the history of fascism.   

         

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        • Author by christopherpking (July 02, 2008 1:39 pm ET)
             
          Best to not remind them of History, it gets in the way.
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          • Author by foghornleghorn (July 02, 2008 2:00 pm ET)
               

            Best to not remind them of Revisionist History, it gets in the way.

            There, I fixed your post for you.

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          • Author by historygeek001 (July 02, 2008 3:01 pm ET)
               

            Christopher,

            Apparently you haven't actually studied history.  You don't know what you are talking about.

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            • Author by christopherpking (July 02, 2008 3:34 pm ET)
                 
              That is how I have come to understand it, regarding the Nazi party. If I stand corrected, send me to the right path.
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              • Author by historygeek001 (July 02, 2008 4:02 pm ET)
                   
                Fascism actively opposes Liberalism.  Here and here are two defintions; note that Mussolini actively sought out Liberals as opponents to Fascism.  It is decidedly NOT left-wing.
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                • Author by foghornleghorn (July 02, 2008 5:57 pm ET)
                     

                  Here's the nub - 2 posters above agreed with each other that fascism was cultivated out of liberalism.  How did they get that idea?

                  Could it be - right wing radio, that bastion of false information?

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    • Author by k1dork (July 02, 2008 2:40 am ET)
         

      So he called Pelosi, Mussolini in a skirt? So what?

      I'm a black guy, so maybe this is the education gap talking and I am missing the significance, but why should this bother me, or anyone for that matter, except for maybe Pelosi?

      This is my first time posting here because I didn't want to involve myself in such bickering; but I really don't understand what the point of many of these topics is.

      They just seem like whining to me.

      Mean old Savage said such and such about so and so! Wha Wha


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      • Author by dbeden4153 (July 02, 2008 10:42 am ET)
           

        K1, welcome.  If you've never been to this site before, let me be the first to say that I'm sorry this is the first article you commented on.  Michael Savage's rants and raves have been cataloged on here since MMfA's inception, and IMO, it's more just to have a record of the crazy, insane things that he says.  Sure, sometimes he makes good points, but it's interspersed with vile, racist, hate-filled language that should have no place in our national discourse.

        Stick around for a while, there are much better articles than this one.

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        • Author by k1dork (July 02, 2008 12:58 pm ET)
             

          Once again, maybe this is the education gap speaking for me, but I'm a black guy and I listen to Savage everyday, and I DON'T think he is a racist.

          I hear his comments about the state of black America for example, and I don't hear a "racist," but someone who is perplexed by the state of affairs in the black community.

          Guess what, myself and MANY other black people are just as perplexed about our culture. We're sick of criminality and promiscuity being glorified in popular music. We're sick of dead-beat dads and a 75% out of wedlock birth rate.

          I guess to people looking to be offended, a white man like Savage commenting on these issues must be a "racist," but not many blacks have a forum such as his, so I'm glad that there is someone discussing such things in the first place, black or white.

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          • Author by christopherpking (July 02, 2008 1:42 pm ET)
               
            Well said, but they may ask for proof you are a black man.
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            • Author by k1dork (July 02, 2008 2:03 pm ET)
                 
              Which is also sad.
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              • Author by JimmyCraghorn (July 02, 2008 3:33 pm ET)
                   
                K1, there is no need to be sad about a strawman.
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                • Author by k1dork (July 02, 2008 4:06 pm ET)
                     

                  What are you talking about?

                  I'm responding to the assertion above that a black person's authenticity may be questioned for making the claims I did above. 

                  I'm wondering why?

                  Because they are articulate?

                  Because they don't immediately blame racism for all of their problems? 

                  Nothing to do with straw-man arguments.

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      • Author by IRONY 101 (July 02, 2008 12:08 pm ET)
           
        Just in case one day Michael Savage is hailed as a great guy we'd like there to be a record that he is actually a hateful, racist lunatic.
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        • Author by christopherpking (July 02, 2008 1:45 pm ET)
             
          I take you hae NEVER said one ill word about anybody?
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    • Author by megabot (July 02, 2008 4:40 am ET)
         
      When Fascism comes to America, it will disguise itself as anti-Fascism.
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    • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 02, 2008 8:23 am ET)
         
      What a coincidence, Weiner calls Pelosi "Mussolini," and I call Weiner "il puké."
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    • Author by IRONY 101 (July 02, 2008 8:46 am ET)
         

      When I think of Benito Mussolini I can't help but picture the last images of his brutalized corpse hanging upside down at a gas station. When Savage engages in a hate-filled tirade against an American leader and invokes a comparison to Mussolini is Savage subtly suggesting that said American is worthy of Mussolini's fate?

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      • Author by Easy to refute wingnuts (July 02, 2008 11:03 am ET)
           
        No, but that's only because Weiner is incapable of subtlety.
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    • Author by ecmarauder (July 02, 2008 4:58 pm ET)
         
      Don't sprain your brain trying to make more of Savages comment than was intended,Irony. Savage considers Pelosi a fascist because she has made it clear that given the opportunity she will effectively silence conservative talk radio. Why? Because conservative talk radio represents an ideology she opposes. What would a good fascist do in that situation? Just what Pelosi intends to do. Was Mussolini a fascist? End of story.
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      • Author by commonsenseliberal (July 02, 2008 5:03 pm ET)
           

        And yet again, you show your ignorance.

        Try looking up the word "fascism" and see if Pelosi even comes close.

        Ahhh..what the hell, I'll give you the answer:  Pelosi isn't even close to a fascist.  Bush and his cronies are the fascists...

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      • Author by historygeek001 (July 02, 2008 5:27 pm ET)
           

        EC,

        I linked to definitions of Fascism above.  You clearly don't understand what it means; I suggest you click on the links before you post again (unless you enjoy looking foolish).

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        • Author by ecmarauder (July 03, 2008 1:51 pm ET)
             
          response to GEEK. This definition of fascism is from Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language,1989.                               " a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism",... kindly explain to me why I am foolish to apply the term fascist to Pelosi.    
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          • Author by ecmarauder (July 03, 2008 2:18 pm ET)
               
            By the way ,HG, I went to your link listing 14 characteristics of fascism. Characteristic #6,Control of Mass Media, seems to me to justify characterising Pelosi's intention to suppress conservative talk radio as fascistic.  I find your criticism of my post perplexing. Is it possible you didn't actually read your own link? Or if you did read it , we have different understanding of #6? Please respond.
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